India turns up the heat on Pakistan, where will this end?

November 29, 2008

The language is deliberate, the signals unmistakable: India is turning up the heat on Pakistan for the Mumbai attacks that have  killed at least 195 people, and there is no knowing where this downward spiral in ties between the uneasy neighbours will end.

Beginning with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s warning that a cost will have to be paid by neighbouring nations that allow militants to operate,  to Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee’s direct call to Islamabad to “dismantle the infrastructure of terrorism”, there is a sharp, cold edge to the tone that you can’t miss even factoring in the immediate anger and sense of outrage the attacks have evoked  across India.

Then the signs: Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in India on a previously scheduled visit to review the peace process packing his bags and heading home because Indian political leaders cancelled meetings with him following the attacks.

We have been here before, for sure. A 2001 attack on the Indian parliament, for which like the Mumbai attacks, the  Lashkar-i-Taiba was blamed, triggered a set of measures by New Delhi including breaking sporting and cultural links, downgrading diplomatic relations, and the deployment of the military in full combat readiness all along the Pakistan border.

That military stand-off ended six months later after considerable diplomatic pressure from the United States, Britain and other powers worried about two nuclear-armed nations on the brink of war.

So what are the options for Delhi this time around, beyond striking a menacing posture to force Pakistan to go after elements there which it believes are responsible for violence in India?

It can’t risk another extended military deployment – you can only do that sort of “coercive diplomacy” once a while for it to be taken seriously. Limited military strikes on the militant camps that New Delhi says exist across the border?

The New York Times raised that possibility following what were arguably the most audacious attacks India has ever seen even its violent history as a free nation.  It’s hard to tell, especially now that those training camps don’t exist so openly, given the Americans’ scrutiny of Pakistan. And India has always been reluctant to cross the Line of Control dividing Kashmir, fearing this would undermine its status as a de facto border and basis for a permament settlement to the Kashmir dispute.

Ending a five-year ceasefire along the Line of Control, which has in recent months comeunder strain? Or a freezing of ties, turning back the four year-peace process which if nothing else ensured the foes kept talking?

All bets are obviously off . The Times said American military and intelligence officials believed there was mounting evidence that the Lashkar–Taiba was most likely involved in the Mumbai attack. That can only strengthen New Delhi’s case as it confronts Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence with evidence when its representative arrives in India to discuss the attacks, itself an extraordinary move.

Islamabad had earlier agreed to send the head of the ISI to India but it later lowered that to a representative.
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A NUCLEAR BIG SCALE WAR.There is gonna be no result of this.Both countries should come together and fight to show us the nuclear bombings then we will undersytand what is it.Indian media i have seen is inciting the war.Govt seems to prepared now Pakistani acceptance is required then A NUCLEAR BIG SCALE WAR.

Posted by David | Report as abusive

Pakistan is living in the past, they need to wake up and get with the program. The majority of their citizens live in poverty, while the government spends billions on the military to accomplish ghastly endeavors such as these. I live in the US and always believed that you cannot paint people with a single stroke, but I think I no longer feel that way. Islam teaches intolerance, mayhem and murder. All the conflicts in the world have some aspect of muslim involvement. Its sad for me to say this, but all muslims are alike with their fanatic agenda. What will these people accomplish with violence, just hatred towards their people and their religion.

Posted by raj | Report as abusive

David,I have lived in India, there is only hatred aginst islam since you want to destroy us.

Posted by vijay | Report as abusive

no its not islam, islam teaches peace…the word islam itself means “peace”..but you know what the sad part is, is that you people forget what you have done in the past, but when it ocmes to finger pointing you are the first to say soemthing..i mean i feel bad for what has happned, and that innocent people died, but you know what why do you think these people did this?? for fun???because they were bored??? NOOOOO they did this because their whole families were killed like he said, it’s ok when you kill muslims like that incident with samjhota express where some 200 people were burned to death, the doors and the wondows were locked by hindu extrimist..i bet no one knows about that, and why would they, that would show their hatred and of course you guys are not like that right??? IT’s ok when muslims are killed and their mosques are torned down for example, babari msque in india and thousand people were killed by hindu extrimist, but thats ok, who cares as long as muslims are dying, but when they want revenge its islam..no its not islam its ignorant people who interpret it as islam..islam is the fastest growing religion all around the world and i don’t think if it was the religion that taught violence so many people would convert…think before saying,and put your self in these people’s places first and then say something, i bet they are not doing it for fun either, but if you kill their families i think they have no reason to live themself and the anger comes out nasty..

Posted by zeba | Report as abusive

Please people watch out. Whoever did this deplorable act wins if both countries fall into their trap and suspend peace talks and recent warming up of relations between both countries.If these countries go back to confontration guess who wins. The crazies with ulterior motives.

Posted by moby | Report as abusive

There are some circles who claim that there are some rogue elements in the ISI or even the Pakistan Army, maybe disgruntled and power hungry Generals or ex-Generals who want a piece of the huge billion dollar defence pie from the US. By planning these attacks on India, they now have the excuse to justify their arms build-up to ‘fight terror’ and/or to defend themselvesagainst a now hostile India, much to their benefit through their arms dealers, their lackeys, cronies or proxies in the arms business.Anyone who has read Machiavelli “The Prince” would know that this is one of the ways to divert attention from the real issues at hand and get away with whatever agenda they have in mind.Any terrorism analyst worth his salt cannot ignore this scenerio, and I am surprised that no such theory was forthcoming from the Indians or even the Pakistanies.They should asks themselves who’s to gain from this dastardly event monetarily? By the way, why weren’t the merchant ship(s) from Pakistan searched, when they Indian authorities were forewarned about it? At the same time, the elections in Kashmir was also underway, an indication that there would be trouble, which would work out to the benefit of these rogue elements in Pakistan, i.e. that’s all the excuse they need. These terrorist, mere pawns in their whole scheme of things could have been brain-washed by these rouge elements into believing that they are dying for their country, fighting for their religion viz.Islam, which is becoming a misnomer, ironically; or whatever twisted megalomaniacal reason they may have. Or maybe hugh sums of money were offered to their next of kin if theyundertook this inhuman mission.As expected the captured terrorist(s) say that they have no regrets!In short, it’s all about money; and absolute power corrupts absolutely!Now it seemsthat Pakistan has made an about-turn and not send their ISI chief to India. Maybe he needs to be debriefed in Pakistan for fear that he may inadvertently ‘spill the beans’ to the Indianinvestigators.Where is the Delhi born General Musharraf now after all this mess? What is his input into this matter after all his rhetoric about uniting the two fueding countries? What wouldbe the founding father’s of India and Pakistan viz. Gandhiji would be thinking now, if they were alive now? What has Ali Jinnah and his cohorts have acheived after all the blood and tearsshed during the partition of India and Pakistan? More blood and tears? The ball is in the court of the so called analysts and experts and I ask them whether there would be a more plausiblescenario.I am new to this conspiracy theory game and I hope to get some feedback from thoes concerned.May God Bless India and Pakistan!

Posted by Charles Thomas | Report as abusive

well said Zeb i totally agree with you, islam teaches peace and islam will be the bigest religion in the world inshallah

Pakistan has always been a pre-modern society controlled by a few foreign-educated elite, a defeated and shamed army, corrupt politicians, and an ultra right Islamic clergy. No good can come out of its people. I have lost hope in Pakistan. BUT not in Islam. I am not Muslim, but I still feel that religions are all the same – Islam can also be reformed and made truly tolerant and peace-loving. But this cannot be done in Pakistan. India is rendered most vulnerable by US’s strategic needs in Pakistan. But this can also be India’s biggest strength. India has to flex its economic bargaining power to have the US do more cleaning up inside Pakistan. This is in everyone’s interest – even in the interest of innocent Pakistanis.

Posted by surge | Report as abusive

First — I have to correct one particular mistake by Mr Thomas : the Pakistan-origin ships in Mumbai port were searched and nothing was found to connect them with the atrocities, and they were sent on their way. (It would have been strange indeed had they remained in harbour if they been responsible for conveying the vicious barbarians who killed 200 people.)———–Sanjeev Miglani hits, as usual, the nub of the subject when he indicates the futility of armed confrontation between India and Pakistan. There is no point in a rerun of 2001-2002 when the Indian army closed up to the western border. The operation cost a fortune – and over 400 Indian soldiers died though non-combat causes in the course of that menacing but futile demonstration by the then BJP government.It is time for unemotional, considered, mature diplomacy.I much regret the reversal of Pakistan’s decision to send the Director General of ISI to Delhi. That would have been a sensible thing to do – as well as being a considerable public relations coup. General Pasha’s visit to India would have had a soothing influence.But in spite of that PR disaster – there is no other word for it – there is room and opportunity for Pakistan to recover and to assure and convince India, by sincere cooperation, that there was no State involvement.The tabloid newspapers in the UK – the Sun, Times, Express, Mirror and Mail – are humming with silly stories about British-Pakistan-origin terrorists, and today’s (30 November) Times of India declares that :”Pakistan’s envoys and spin meisters have taken to the air in the west in a glib effort to counter the universal disgust and opprobrium the country is attracting for its alleged role in yet another terrorist carnage in the sub-continent.”"Disgust and opprobrium” for “its alleged role” ?Were there to be the smallest piece of evidence indicating that Pakistan had a hand, or any influence at all, in the evil Mumbai savagery, then there would indeed be reason for disgust and opprobrium.But there is no evidence. None at all.Let us all cool down. The Times of India’s comments are regrettable and inconsistent with its usual dignity and objectivity. It is in danger of lowering itself to the level of the Sun and the Times of London.There is much more heat than light, at the moment.And let us hope that mad Modi of Gujarat does not send out his extremists to conduct another pogrom. At the moment there is temptation for the fanatics of extremist organisations in India to take to the streets and murder Muslims.If this happens, it would be a disaster. In terms of humanity, of course, it would be terrible — think of all the innocent lives, the children butchered as they were in 2002.In terms of civilisation . . . ?

Posted by Brian Cloughley | Report as abusive

Kumar,As you indian hindus (even wonder who named you that?) continue to ‘westernize’ and sell out your land and people it is hinduism that will cease to exist along with India (ever wonder where that name came from?), keep it up its only a matter of time.

Posted by foresight | Report as abusive

India needs to once and for all pay the price and enter Pakistan. India needs to break up Pakistan into little feifdoms. The continuing murders of Indians by these barbaric cowards is not acceptable. We can not contiune to turn the other cheek.

Posted by steve | Report as abusive

Bring back Musharraf. The reason nothing like this happened while he was in charge was because he actually ran the country. Mr Zardari might mean well but he has no direct power. I remember being in Delhi when Mush was forced out and a lot of the government and military types were openly upset he had to leave.

Posted by pam | Report as abusive

looks like everything’s pretty much going according to plan.PNAC Project for the New American Century map: http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7079/ pnacplanqf4.jpg

Posted by wadosy | Report as abusive

The fact remains that India has progressed so much after freedom and partition whereas pakistan. People whether extremists or not in pakistan should try to build their nation.

Posted by Lakshmipati | Report as abusive

Zeba,what u said just shows ur total ignorance of the matters.Don’t use this forum for propagating ur false beliefs.India instead of turning the so called heat on Pakistan,should devise some other fruitful mechanisms. Those pakistanis who plan to kill innocent lives in India ironically, roam fearlessly in Pakistan. India must send agents to target & kill terrorlords like Hafiz Md Saeed, Masood Azhar & Salahuddin.Wipe out the menace once & for all.

Posted by Milind | Report as abusive

It is indeed depressing to know that Pakistani terrorists were again involved in these attacks. They are spoiling the name of the nation and the religion they pretend to uphold. India and many of the global powers need to get together and ensure that Pakistan is rid of this menace which is proving to be costly, not just for Mumbai but for the entire world

Its imperitive,given the situation, that both Indian and Pakistani Govts should jointly address the issue with evidence based leads. And importantly, refrain from issuing premature and unsupported statements as to who is responsible. May be this time countries like USA,UK and Israel and possibly one of the middle eastern countries should assist out in thrashing out a common ground.Give the democracies a chance to resolve this conflict. Follow it up with strengthening the coastal gaurds and internal security within India.Down the line, continue the free trade opening trends that have been persued lately. Living togather is the only way forward.

Posted by kanwal chopra | Report as abusive

kanwal chopra says, “May be this time countries like USA,UK and Israel and possibly one of the middle eastern countries should assist out in thrashing out a common ground.”too bad the USA, UK and israel are planning on resource wars and wars to secure israel… and to that end, they want india to do the heavy lifting in pakistan… which will eliminate the pakistani nuke threat to israel and india……not to mention the fact that india will be a useful tool in limiting chinese access to persian gulf/caspian/central asian energy.have you forgotten that china is israeli america’s prime rival for acquiring energy?and it looks to me like india is being groomed to succeed america in its role as protector of israel, seeing as how america is not gonna make a graceful adjustment to oil shortages.that’s something to look forward to, isnt it?

Posted by wadosy | Report as abusive

Indian political leaders are threatening Pakistan because, allegedly, the terrorists came from there.There are parallels being drawn between the 2001 New York Twin Towers atrocity and that in Mumbai.15 of the 19 suicide hijackers on 9/11 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.But the US didn’t confront Saudi Arabia.

Posted by Brian Cloughley | Report as abusive

foresight,first of all don’t be ashamed of showing ur name.if ur muslim we can understand us shame of being a muslim.before exploring much abt mighty hindus and my name ,try to find out abt ur religion of shame.its few days of existance is abt to over.

Posted by Kumar | Report as abusive

Kumar,I see you didn’t ponder the questions I asked, shame, and btw when exactly did you as a people become mighty in between being slaves to us muslims for the last 1000 years and the west now?As for me being ashamed of using my real name on an internet message board, don’t make me laugh, you calling your ‘ab ke maar ke dekho’ scrawny self ‘mighty’ is enough jest for one day.In any case I do not feel it is right for me or anyone else to use this dark momemt as a podium to get across personal beliefs or political agendas, something your politicians and hindu terrorist vhp/bjp bretheren are clearly seasoned in.

Posted by Foresight | Report as abusive

it is not a fact and serious ness showned by the indian authorities on blaming pakistan for this incident they are just bothering here and there

I have been reading some of the comments posted here, and, barring a few sane voices, it looks like we have have gone back to our previous polarized positions.I am from India. Yesterday, the TV channels here were full of ordinary people being asked their reactions to this whole episode, and i was left wondering what mine was. The truth is, I am scared to spell it out. I also do not have a foolproof ‘solution’ to what one network put it as ‘we do not want a repeat of any episode like this, ever. Enough is enough’!The real thing, to my mind, is that we must stop making statements of religion in public. If we are citizens of the modern world, we should keep our religion inside our houses, and the moment we step out, we must cease to refer to it. I know this is difficult, since many countries have based themselves on a religious ideology, but that’s what it is: we MUST come to terms with the fact that religion is an outdated concept, there is no religion beyond peace and love for our neighbours, brothers and sisters, and the silent obeisance to the Supreme Power , God. We live in a world that is dominated by work, and business, and one’s profession, and thesooner we make that our religion, the better.Hence, we must not write about the the virtues of Islam in a public forum like this, all that is well-known and documented. We must inculcate this discipline in us, otherwise we are doomed. Nor must there be a Pakistani who says Muslims are being burned in India. Firstly, it is none of his business, and secondly,sane-minded Hindus have been quick to come out and condemn the Gujarat incidents as barbaric.Finally, what is the solution to the Mumbai episode?If evidence of the security forces find that these 10 people were indeed from Pakistan, trained in the camps of Lashkar-e-tayyeba, and India confronts Pakistan, then what? In my limited capacity, I believe that Pakistan should be taught some kind of a lesson, otherwise they will never learn. But what lesson?I think finally, that Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton will have to do some heavy-hitting with India and Pakistan before this gets sorted out.

Posted by Siddharthh | Report as abusive

Earlier, even until recently, I believed that Islam was a peaceful religion, even though over the last decade, the world’s terrorists have exclusively been Muslim. I now feel stupid for believing this and propagating the lie that Islam is a peaceful religion. It is an intolerant, sadistic and violent ideology, and according to the True Islam, these terrorists are probably going to reach some heavenly place and be surrounded by several virgins. Pakistan is the land where these people are brainwashed. Madrasas or Muslim schools teach a curriculum of hate towards any non-Muslim. Pakistan’s government, instead of building infrastructure, giving education and producing employment for its poverty-stricken population, channels all of the billions of dollars of aid towards India, a country that has come this far on its own in such a short time, given all of the anti-India forces working against it. These Pakistanis are unable to see Indians progress, as they are surely not about to.It is time for the world to wake up to the two-face lie that is Pakistan, and the terror and mayhem that this country is on its way to exporting to the rest of the world. Pakistan’s government harbors and protects the most wanted terrorists in the world. This is not a joke anymore. Islam and Pakistan are a danger to humanity. They have to be checked right now, or its going to be too late.

Posted by Matt Williams | Report as abusive

This attack must be an eye opener for all of us Indians and seems to be a pilot scale operation fully encouraged by our hostile neighbours to check out our reactions.If this is not contained now, what prevents our enemies and terrorists to carry out similar attacks on a mass scale, with hundreds of them at the same time, in multiple cities within India, and that too having a vast number of their symnpathisers in our midst to support them. Just the thought of it is mind boggling.I hope the right signals are conveyed to these attackers in order to prevent a complete breakdown of our beloved country.

Posted by Sooraj | Report as abusive

How come most of the Indians comes out with comments like “it’s time for world to wake up” or Barak & Hillary have work to do? No body is going to our job, they might support or stand up with us. The job has to be done by our selves. Pakistan is not feeling any heat on the contrary they just had to mention that they will move 100 thousands of their milita to Indian border.The terror attacks are own faults such as the government and the rest of political maffia. we cant blame our problems on some one else, not even on Pak. If we beleive its Pak behind the mumbai terror, just hit back bluntly like the Isralies don’t ask for anyone permission. If we are scared, have no guts just shut up, but stop making mockery of ourselves overseas.PS

Posted by PS | Report as abusive

First of all i appeal to all you narrow minded hate preachers lets keep religion out of this. No religion especially islam encourages such acts, in fact such acts are truly detested.Secondly Pakistan has always been a easy target for india so we shouldnt be surprised they have copped the blame, however before blaming the pakistani govt foolproof evidence should be presented – however it seems this isnt necessary.India fails to acknowledge it has its own internal religious/ethinic problems and there own dissatisfied citizens may be behind this.It may be that pakistani citizens could be behind this babaric act but does this mean the pakistani govt is involved 2?Pakistan has its own problems with terrorism (Marriott hotel etc?) and both countries should stand toe to toe and face these problems together. Indias reaction is a convenient deflection of their own shortcomings

Posted by Zak | Report as abusive

^^^^I am quite sure that they teach you facts like “Muslims ruled India for 1000 year” in your Madarasa.Not your fault…Personally I blame your parents who decided to get you educated in a Madarasa.

It is time for India to make a serious decision about its future. India needs to strengthen all sort of communal ties with all the muslims of India. At the same time, all muslim terrorist groups and extremists madrassas must be dismantled and all terror cells killed. Again, this should be done as commmunal friendships with everyday average ordinary muslims are strengthened for an inclusive India.Then comes the hard part, dismantling the terrorist infrastructure and each and every madrassa in Pakistan.Every Jihadi Imam or heads of the Mosques should be taken ‘away’.Pakistan is not willing to close the madrassas or reign in its terrorists. If Pakistan cannot, it should ask for help from India. If it does not want help, India should clean up Pakistan for Pakistan and then leave Pakistan shiny and squeeky clean. Sounds insane?Perhaps an insane country requires an insane solution.Ultimatly, Pakistan should be denuclearized and its military structure dismantled and all the different cultures, join with their mother countries, namely Balochistan with Iran, NWFP with Afghanistan, etc…all co-ordinated under the guide of the UN.The World is fed up with Pakistan.

Posted by Rick | Report as abusive

I thought we will get condolances and consolations from our friends all over, but what is happening is the same poisoning of mind here also, ill minded people like kumar and foresights are requested to refrain from commenting, and piersing the needle into wounded hearts

Posted by vivek | Report as abusive

Religion of “peace” ie. Islam strikes again. I cannot believe how can anyone justify Islam as religion of peace. All around the world common factor in all the conflicts is Islam. Many religion suffered becuase of Islam but no one performed such ghastly act against them. I wonder what will happen if everyone in world will be Muslim? Volience won’t stop for sure. Then Sunni and Shia will fight with eachother, afterall it is religion of peace.

Posted by xyz | Report as abusive

Where will this end? Over the last several years, Pakistan has sponsored terrorists to destabilize India as they are incapable of competing with the Indian military. In my opinion, the only way we can stop terrorism in that region is by striking Pakistan similar to the way Israel strikes Palestine every time there is a suicide bomb on their soil. These attacks not only take hindu lives but also muslims living in India. Not standing up for innocent lives is equivalent to accepting defeat in the fight against terrorism.

Posted by Hindustan | Report as abusive

The Bombay attack wasn’t the first neither the last one.India must act decisively and now before a civil war between Hindus and Muslims breaks out inside India, which is the ultimate goal of this attack and that of the Paki generals.The world can no longer ignore that Pakistan is nothing but a dangerous terror entity that must be dissolved as soon as possible.The attack shows the weakness of Indian intelligence agencies, government and that of Dr. Monmohan Singh, who has failed to take appropriate actions now or in the past.The vicious circle of terror must be broken, which can be done only when the international community, with a UN mandate, attack the epicenter of religious extremism and terrorism, Pakistan, and break it up once and for all.Indians should not fool themselves that it was the last one. Expect even bigger and bloodier attacks in the near future if you fail to act against the Paki army and ISI.India has the full support of Afghanistan and the Afghans!India MUST act NOW!!!Enough is Enough!As usual, ISI is behind it!

Posted by mirwais | Report as abusive

I expected that the Government Of India would have blamed their own total failure to combat the terrorists at the first instance. The police counter attacks were woefully inadequate as they were not trained or equipped to fight the well trained terrorists. It took a an unacceptable long time for the authorities to wake up to the situation. India is already considered a world power and its inadequacy was crassly apparent.If India can fight pirates on the high sees then what hinders them fighting terrorists on land. Surely Pakistan could be blamed but the jerk reaction shown by the officials over the years has made it very ineffective for a person to believe every word the government says. Only a week back my daughter was in Bombay and she came back praising all that makes Bombay a wonderful place.I know people who lived in Bombay before partition including my father, who were and are nostalgic about the great city. It was so cosmopolitan and secular. But the recent politics of communalism has taken some of the shine off that citys glamour.But behind the scenes there are other things India must consider now. First of all, the minorities should be taken along the journey of progress and well being that India has so successfully undertaken. The first tragedy of of independent India was the Partition. That process seems not to have stopped. Pakistan is going to be a State always on the verge of collapse. It has never had nor has proper values to guide it and is quasi a failed state living on the mercy of the IMF. Its poor people have been abandoned long time back. What rules in Pakistan is money, corruption, illitracy and mafia culture.

Posted by Dr. Arshad Khan | Report as abusive

No body is going to our job, leaders across the world might support or stand up with us. The job has to be done by our selves. Pakistan is resilient to say that they are nuclearised nation and move army to boarderIf the terror attacks are our own faults such as the government and the rest of politicalleaders , we cant blame our problems on some one else, not even on Pak. If we beleive and have proof to justify ourselves not necessarily any one else yhat its Pakistan behind the mumbai terror, just hit back bluntly like the Isralies don’t ask for anyone’s permission. If we are scared, have no guts just shut up, but stop making mockery of ourselves overseas.PS

Posted by Rohit mohanty | Report as abusive

Well said, Dr Arshad Khan…..at last, a courageous Pakistani who calls a spade a spade !

Posted by Siddharthh | Report as abusive

To Brian Cloughley: A Brit telling the rest of us about civilization?? God, has the world gone mad?

Posted by Layman | Report as abusive

Seems like the real intent of the attack was to derail any peace process and the ensueing finger pointing is evidence that it was successful. Pray that no harm comes to Obama. It will devastate relations between races in the U.S. and will greatly weaken the nation. I would not for a minute put this act past terrorist.

Posted by wolfex1 | Report as abusive

Haha this is really funny considering the incompetent Indian government would much rather blame their neighbor, Pakistan, than to admit that a portion of their Muslim population has become destabilized. In all probability this attack was probably one that originated from domestic terrorist activities not a foreign sponsored affair. Even if this was indeed an attack originating from Pakistan there is not much the country can do, busy fighting established terrorists along the Afghan border. It also wouldn’t make sense for India to invade Pakistan aside from the obvious dangers of attacking a nuclear armed country due to the fact that it would totally undermine their international reputation and it would increase hostile feelings towards the Indian government both in and out of India, which would almost certainly result in terrorist attacks every single day of the invasion. Stop hyping up the story and stick to the facts budz

Posted by weebs | Report as abusive

I don understand why would India try to kill us all when we are successfully doing it ourselves? It’s gonna hurt em more then it ll hurt us cuz we’ve become a dead and a senseless nation. US and Taliban are bombing us at will. Let India also do the same if it makes them happy. People are dying everyday in scores and we don’t have any sovereignty left No self respect No integrity. I don’t see anything left for us to “defend” from India??

Posted by Farjad Tanveer | Report as abusive

People are saying, that leave the religion out of it. I don’t understand why? All of those fascistic murderers are doing those horrible acts namely because of religion. The reason is Islam, they all are beating the drum about it. I understand, that most of the moslems in the world, don’t agree with terrorists views, but lets look straight and be honest here – the main and most important reason for those terrorist acts is Islam.If in the society, people start acting very strangely, you’ll start looking for the reasons. And if those who act strangely all announce something that they learned when they were children, then you’ll better look into your education system. I think moslems should check if there’s something wrong with what they are teaching to their kids. There must be something wrong.

Posted by kalamari | Report as abusive

It is, once again, proof that we the humans, so called civilized once, act in a way that even the animals are ashame of. I am always against those who don’t hesitate to take an innocent life and use religion for there acts. No religion teaches to take innocent lives. I do feel sorry for those who lost there loved once in Mumbai, India. At this time going into war will take sub-continent many many years back. Hopefully everyone will work together to take care of this terrorism once and for all.

Posted by Sajid | Report as abusive

Pakistan’s leaders and the Muslim world in general have to acknowledge unequivically that their culture has serious intrinsic flaws that contribute to the generation of homicidal psychopaths that believe they are doing God’s work. The President of Pakistan says he will take action if he receives “proof.” The President of Iran says terrorism is wrong but adds that it arises from “political injustices.” This simply isn’t good enough. No other culture produces people who regularly and systematically commit acts of indiscriminant mass murder of civilians who have no connection whatever to the internal problems of Muslim societies. It’s long past time for the Muslim world to take clear responsibility for putting its own house in order.

Posted by keith | Report as abusive

**Gunmen spoke Hindi with strong Punjabi, north-Indian accent**”The young gunmen said little during the harrowing drive, but spoke Hindi with a strong Punjabi, north-Indian accent.” constable Arun Jadhav quoted and is the first of the evidences arising from the Mumbai incident.I think the world should take Kashmir and the issues of minorities in India very seriously. People in India are very desperate for their rights. Tackling and resolving the disputed Kashmir issue and putting an end to the human rights violation in Kashmir is going to be the biggest challenge the modern world will face. India does not accept peaceful resolution to Kashmir according to the UN agenda and yet aims of becoming a super power. More than 30% of the Indian population lives under poverty and all the government thinks about is making missiles and bombs. One should not forget the extremist hindus who have killed scores of muslims and christians much greater than the current Mumbai incident. It has been the failure of the global community that we live in who have been fueling the crisis. Unilateral policies of the US and UK towards India and similar of those of china with Pakistan is doing more bad rather than good.One should ask why did this happen? How can such a large country with immense forces be unable to tackle with 10 men? It is a failure of the Indian government and one thinks maybe they wanted this to happen to make an excuse for an action the Indian government wants to take. How can one forget the involvement of Indian agencies in supporting terrorism and fueling violance and attacks in Karachi for such a long time. About 40,000 people have been killed, I would rather say murdered over the past 19 years by Indian forces. Where was the world at that time? I would ask the readers to where were you at that time? How ignorant can the so called driving super powers of the world be? Killings in Kashmir have been close to genocide, a horror word we thought we would not listen to after the world war II. With current situation todays world is at the brink of such a man made disaster.I think it is time for world leaders to take things seriously and the UN should be strengthen to intervene. How ironic it is that the Indian government does not allow the UN to operate in Indian held Kashmir while Pakistan has opened all its doors towards the Azad Jammu Kashmir.I would like people who read this to think sensibly and not to follow false baseless political aquisitions which make confusions and misunderstandings.Let us all join hands, whether its Christains, Muslims, Hindus, Jews etc and make this world a safe and peaceful place to live in for ourselves, and our generations to come. The past is past, let us not blame each other anymore and look for solutions.

Hi guys,I’m a hindu born and I have many muslim friends. In fact my business partner originates from Kashmir (pakistan controlled). Of course it’s sad seeing what happened in Mumbai. My condoleances to all the family who are part of this tragic and hurtful moments.The answer to all these problems is to help each other and not by posting generalised negative messages which infuriate both hindus, muslims etc.Instead as outsiders, we should ask what can we do to help?I would not like to see any ordinary indians or pakistanis suffer through no fault of theirs. This is a time which the Indian and pakistani govt should cease and work together to eradicate the the culprits.In any society there are good and bad. Our service is to improve everyone’s ability to live amongst each other, without any discriminations.AN EXAMPLE: ONE CANNOT CLAIM TO LOVE GOD IF ONE FAILS TO LOVE EVERY HUMAN BEING WHETHER ASIAN, BLACK, WHITE OR BUDDIST,CHRISTIAN,HINDU,JEWISH,MUSLIM,ET C.I hope we can do something positive in this decadent world

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Ok!Mumbai DramaProduced by Hollywood, directed by Bollywood.As per a very very senior official of MI5 & ISI “India’s Osama bin Laden name Abdus Subhan Querishi or Tauqeer” is commander of 60,000 “supporters” and more than 6000 peoples within India support him politically & financially.Indians want war against Pakistan. If only 10 teenagers can engage “one of the best army” in the world for 59 hours then Ok! “Let The Show Begin” Its time for Indians to ask the right question from the securities agencies of India

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every eye soaks in tears for mumbai innocent lives too by not militants or whatever u say but inida itself..India has sown the seed of disparity, injustice and chankia for decades in minorities, specially the Muslims.. The actual mumbai monster is hindutva and its blind and blood thirsty fanatics.. and now she will offcourse reap it and it’s only the begining.. in 60 percent of indian soil, liberation movements are in full momentum..and india going on war with Pakistan, I say it will be blessings for Pakistan. it will unite the whole country and would make in one nation.. but I am sure, india can\’t dare attack Pakistan because she knows Pakistan..

Posted by Nadeem | Report as abusive

This is in response to PS and Rohit Mohanty — there are two kinds of blames we must be clear about — internally, our poiticians and bureaucrats have let us down, and therefore, their heads are rolling; three prominent politicians are gone. But the important thing is externally, if Pakistanis are found at fault, then this is an even larger blame to allocate; after all, if these 10 men had not decided to come to Mumbai, then none of this would have happened. Please let us not forget this.So the larger blame should go to the terrorists. In an international forum such as this one, we should do well to keep our internal problems to ourselves, and just talk about the external ones.

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A comment for Layman — you will notice that the Western world, including the Brits, are most civilized, contrary to the Pakistanis and Indians, who are barbarians in comparison………

Posted by Siddharthh | Report as abusive

rather then just jump to conclusions like everyone seems to be doing in this forum why dont you ask yourself what drives young men to carry out such attacks… you all seem to be blaming Pakistan but whose carrying out all the atrocities in Kashmir its the indian soldiers …there are 600.000 soldiers in kashmir they are killing civilians human rights are being abused there but the world seems to turn a blind eye to kashmiris plight .. India knows no nations wants to criticise her because of her position as an economic giant… Look at all the charches and mosques being burnt in India by hindu extremists but no nation dares to say anything to India in case they lose trade ties with her ….

10 Reasons Why We’re Not Ready to Draw Conclusionshttp://www.twf.org/News/Y2008  /1130-10Reasons.html

Posted by Asim | Report as abusive

When the last of the ambers are extinguished and the bodies of the dead are interned, it will be time for those who matter to contemplate the causes and cures of the religious maladies that haunts both Pakistan and India. It is the religions from where these bloody actions emanate. The question is not whether Islam or Hinduism condone or condemn such activities but what prompts people to undertake such acts. Question is how long both India and Pakistan are willing to see the blood of the innocent to flow. Was the blood shed during the Partition not enough to satisfy the soil of the subcontinent? It is time to ask questions and not slogans. Nobody should be called Murdabad. Please, for heavens sake stop blocking the sun by covering the eye with a coin.

Posted by Dr. Arshad Khan | Report as abusive

All islamists in INDIA, PAKISTAN, BANGLADESH, NEPAL, SRILANKA, AFGHANISTAN should remember that they were HINDUS before they converted to ISLAM. Their forefathers were coerced and forced into ISLAM. And by the way if the indian army is in kashmir then it is not because they like it, they are there because of the terrorists that are being sent into INDIAN KASHMIR by PAKISTANIS.

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@ chohan, what drives young men to carry out such attacks ?? Your insane mullas at mosques is what makes young men to do such dastardaly acts. If there were any mosques detroyed in india is purely because of this mulla attitude of Jihad and fidayeen preechings that they do to brain wash young men to kill others and themselves. understand ??

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God save our souls

The world is ill, please treat it, you can not eliminate the people you hate, you can educate them slowly and understand the people who beleive in terror.my heart hurts when you people spread hate for any code of life and any sect of humanity. In fact it is human nature whihc determines acts of virtue or vice, religion plays no role.all humans beings are made up of the same blood nature and instincts. so why being racist.please divide the world among the ill people and healthy minded people rather than in religions.

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Siddharthh’if these 10 men had not decided to come to Mumbai, then none of this would have happened.”you will notice that the Western world, including the Brits, are most civilized, contrary to the Pakistanis and Indians, who are barbarians in comparison………’–Your IQ sucks

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Dr. Arshad Khan’Was the blood shed during the Partition not enough to satisfy the soil of the subcontinent?”It is time to ask questions’…Yeswas it wrong to have parted with our beloved land to such ungrateful traitors by wishing that they will leave us alone & let us live in peace? Is it cowardice on our part to forgive the blood shed of partition & forgetting the deep wounds, should they be scratched hard to wake us from our slumber? is it time to say enough is enough?& many many such questions arise….

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The fact is Pakistan has only created terror since her birth.Recent attack on mumbai must not be forgotten without punishing Muslim terrorists and their caretakers.Pakistan is one of the worst virus in the human history.we need to eradicate pakistan from the planet to proteck peace loving innocent people.

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First of all, India is one big family. This is the time for all Indian citizens to show leadership and unity in the wake of Terrorism. All of India must show its courage and resilience and learn from this. India is an inclusive and secular democracy, its success and global image has become the focus of extreme jealousy for Pakistan for some time now.Given everything since partition, it is apparent that the myth called Pakistan is coming apart. The world is fed up with Pakistan as it has shown time again that not one person in that country has a moral center of responsibility for its past transgressions regarding support for terrorism against India. The Gov’t says that “Well…we don’t support them any more…”…well that is not good enough.The terrorism has been propagated by the Government and the ISI, especially the old ISI of Late, the notorious General Hamid Gul and his kind. These insidious characters and Musharaf are the creators and founding fathers of the Terrorist camps that India has been shouting and screaming about for the last 25 years, but the world would not listen, especially the U.S.Pakistan should be labelled by the U.N. as a terrorist rogue state, since it has been manufacturing terrorism for decades.Pakistans’s complicity and lack of moral responsibility for its past manufacturing of Terrorism, by its leaders, old and current, the ISI, the Military and its citizens, which have led to the rise in Terrorism, shall not go unanswered. Especially its deal-making, friendship, protection and support (moral or otherwise) of the Taliban and its leaders.Given that Pakistan has slid into a lack of a cohesive functioning government, the world and its neighbours have a moral duty to do what is necessary to ensure that the world is safe.I think we can all agree that making any deals with Pakistan is like making a deal with a CON ARTIST.The Pak governments complicity and or lack of will to deal with the Madrassas, terrorist training camps, rogue ISI shall not go unanwered.In short Pakistan requires some extremely blunt, tough and resolute diplomacy before anything other “last resorts”.The Modern World is Fed up with Pakistan…….Comply or else.

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If Indian cannot even protect its own citizens, it has no business wanting to be a player in the international stage. Just be happy being a regional player in South or South East Asia. Forget about that security council seat. If you keep waiting on US and other western powers to resolve your problems and force Pakistan to shed its proxy-terrorist ways, India will find itself facing more such attacks in the future. And with increasing frequency since the terrorists have now seen how inept the Indian intelligence and security operations really are. Pacifist nations only invite others to attack as proven by India’s own history.Or, India can for once act decisively. Stop the turn-the-other-cheek pacifism when it comes to dealing with Pakistan and terrorism. Enough with the no-first use policy on nukes. No serious nation will constrain itself on how it responds to provocation. Put the nukes back on the table. Second, modernize your troops, security and police forces. Strengthen your borders, coast guard, city patrols, citizen vigilance. This will require a long commitment in terms of time and money — perhaps even a decade or two. You cannot find terrorism using a 19th century police force and a 20th century security operation. Civilian and media attitude toward vigilance needs a drastic change. Everyone should be vigilant.Show the terrorists that you mean business by crushing them — even if it means an extended all-out war. Peace is granted only to powerful nations. It is up to India’s citizens to demand better from their government.

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chapter 9:5fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, seize them, and take them captive and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war(another versus that the meaning had been misused ) (Osama bin laden hadmisused this versus himself)It is justified in Quran to kill all Kafirs. So what is the problem of this world.

Posted by vijay | Report as abusive

Fact is Pakistan has only created terror since her birth.Recent attack on mumbai must not be forgotten without punishing Muslim terrorists and their caretakers.Pakistan is one of the worst virus in the human history.we need to eradicate pakistan from the planet to proteck peace loving innocent people.

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Dr I Noor,One of the thing which i noticed about people following islam is they really have no ethics, honesty in anything they talk or speak.Even if they are the most educated they do not have shame in lying & preaching falsehood. If i had been a civilized & well read person atleast i will not tell lies.Though i do not know if i am lucky or unlucky being born to a brahmin family, one thing certainly i do know is hindus are generally very peace loving people. This is a shame what has happened in bombay.When somebody says these terrorist are examples of courage,fearlessness & able to make supreme sacrifice, can i ask these people the men who work & build Atom bombs & biological npalm bombs are they patriotic or they are curse to humanity.Let these maulvis not assume that illiterate people can win any war,or think they will spread their religion with these stupid actions. I know terrorist will do many things & destroy this world from water, air, land. It is matter of time you will master more ingenious way to kill people.I just fear south asia,middle east will one day become a burial ground that is for sure.I am sure every one who prays allah will be happy that day.

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I agree with Vijay. With the advent of the internet, everybody on the earth, now has the ability to become better versed on the Quaran and are openly questioning many thing in it. It appears that some muslims when asked tough questions about the quaran or hadith, when cornered, become angry, when they cannot defend their book and it is exposed that they have knowingly been taught a false doctrine.It is so embarassing to them, that in fact they can become deeply angered, when reason and logic questions the many embarassing contradictions of their faith and the prophet.Are you so terrified of being questioned that it will lead to your embarrasment to admit the dubious and questionable nature of your faith?You are much too easily insulted, a testament to the shaky and embarassing ground which you know you stand on.Every faith should be able to be put on itself trial and explain itself, when questioned.

Posted by Citizen ofthe Modern World | Report as abusive

Rick- you are right.Pakistan must be declared a rouge state .Their game of deflecting blame onto terrorists while aiding and abetting them is a little too old to play now. LeT was created by ISI for exactly this reason and they are still doing it.If Pakistan cannot weed out its terrorists , then its upto india and all other affected countries willing to join to weed it out from pakistan.Pakistan is the breeding ground — happy hunting ground for terrorsists and as long as they are harboured there, the world cannot be a safe place.

Posted by Devi | Report as abusive

Let’s not create unnecessary confusion. Let not the smoke cloud our view. This is a terrorist attack. you won’t get much to like by disturbing history. If at all you are interested it can wait as dead facts don’t change. It has come out and as much admitted by this time that “non-state operators” has made it from the soil of Pakistan. The Govt. of Pakistan should follow up and bring the perpetrators to book to respect its international obligation as an independent civilized nation state. I think the pakistani-opinion, indian-opinion and world opinion has accepted as much. Truth must Prevail and Guilty must be punished. These are human values. Let’s respect it for we can not belong to any country if we are not human first.

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God bless all those innocent people affected by this terrible tragedy, but as the saying goes “you reap what you sow” and the Hindu majority’s treatment of India’s minorities, whether Sikh, Muslim or of any other faith or creed leave it wide open to these attacks.India can bomb Pakistan (as some wish) but will this leave it more secure or will it make India more vulnerable. India’s so-called-might has been left in tatters by a small band of terrorists who could not be taken care of for sixty hours. India needs to look at itself for the cause of this incident, not to its’ neighbour (as usual) even though Pakistani military and intelligence services cannot be removed from the equation. Are Indian politicians and government agencies operating with 100% clean hands, I very much doubt it.Terrorists have no religion, they attach themselves to one and exploit it.Once again, God bless all the innocents suffering in all global conflicts regardless of their faith.SinghisKing

Posted by singhisKing | Report as abusive

Propz to Brian Coughley and Charles Thomas for adding more to the forum than the ignorant finger-pointing these Pakistani and Indians are doing against one another. I just want to give a swift kick to the rear of every person who generalizes by simply saying “Indians hate Muslims/ Indians wishes to destabilize and destroy Pakistan” as well as “all Muslims are terrorists/Islam is evil”. Most of you people have families. Your ignorance seeps into other people and spreads like cancer and makes my day less bright because I understand that your stupidity leads to more people dying needlessly, like possibly putting India into war with Pakistan.Take a world religions course so (Indians) realize Islam is not about blowing yourself up. Every brainwashed instruction extremists are taught is BS. Don’t give me that “oh but it says in the Koran..” ; no it doesn’t! All of that stuff is made up by schools of extreme preachers who have their own twisted agenda. Islam says there is only you and God, no middlemen. As an agnostic, I learned a lot by taking a simple class, I see so much wrong blame on each other b.c “of their religion” but all of that is a lie.

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Lots of poverty => poor people become desperate, turn to extreme religion=> fundamentalistLots of poor, uneducated people=> turn to clerics who seem smarter than they, get fed/cltohed/place to sleep at madressah=> brainwashed with something evil that is NOT Islam => FundamentalistIndia wants to eliminate terrorism in Pakistan=> India trades with Pak, helps build very strong economy=> Madressahs gone, secular public education dominant=> richer and educated people=> no more terrorism :)

Posted by John W | Report as abusive

What every body seem to miss is the fact that Iranian regime is the sole beneficiary of religious mayhem and terrorist attacks in South E. Asia, the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. Iran became the “God Father” of terrorism when Khomeini re-dressed the beast of fundamentalism under the name of Islamic Jihad (not the terrorist group with the same name), against West. His monster of Islamic militancy was born in the 80s when he claimed to free Palestine by reaching Jerusalem through Baghdad (his exact words). He slaughtered 120 thousand Iranians who opposed his Islamic rule, established Hezbollah, funded Hamas, armed Islamic Jihad, and ordered suicide bombers to show the “Wrath of Islam” (his exact words). He was the one who paved the road to Islamic militancy and justified every killing of non-conforming Muslims and even non-Muslims as the sword of Islam bringing back the glory of the earlier years. So my friends, although on the surface it seems the recent events in Mumbai is the act of L-e-T from Pakistan, but underneath, it’s the ideology of fascism and barbarism that Pakistanis have to defeat. They must defeat, from within, the fanaticism and intolerance that Bin Laden’s kind of Islam preaches. A cultural and political change in Pakistan’s landscape is needed before it is fatally infested by militant Muslims pouring out from Madrasas.

Posted by I've been there | Report as abusive

Comment for Indian:Have you at all understood what I have written?Don’t just say something without substantiating your point of view. Now, that’s what I mean by ‘un-civilized’ and ‘barbaric’ — precisely the point i was making !!

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Siddharthh—How do you ‘understand’Ignorance?

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Who benefits???Pakistan??? India??Iran???Give me a break!!The the money masters of course…And if you think states and corporate interest won’t kill a few of their own to forward an agenda, then you haven’t studied history…Gulf of Tonkin… stagedPearl Harbour…. Allowed to happen911….. well ask physics professor Steven Jones what his chemical analysis of the buildings reveals…. or scholars for truth… or now lawyers for truth….Operation Gladio in EuropeOperation AjaxWho benefits from Hindu / Muslim strife?Who benefits from the 911 style redaction of Indian rights ??Who is INTIMATELY involved with the grey zone in Pakistan historically?? (CIA/BRITISH INTELLIGENCE/MOSSAD)Who is never even mentioned as a suspect despite a now de classified history of false flag terror??Why the hell would radical islamists kill mostly locals???

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Why are we all argueing about this issue based on ONE Captive Terrorist`s REPORTED words? He may say many things to hide his identity. Have we got proof that he is MUSLIM or that he is from Pakisthan? 2.The arguement of Burials of others, who are they? how can you get rid of the evidence without theire TRUE identity. Dont the police want to preserve the bodies until case is finished. What sort of Forensic investigation it is going to be? How many of them are Locals. 3.About the Boat – They may have travelled from Gujarat Coast.We Know ower Polititiens are Dumb, but the Media is supposed to stand for the People and ask these Questions.IT is time Indian media does its Job as in other Countries, rather than dancing to the tune of Polititians.

Christian,Narrated Abu Hurairah: A man from among the people came to Allah’s Messenger . . . and addressed him, saying . . . ‘I have committed illegal sexual intercourse.’ The Prophet turned his face away from him. [This continues until the following:] [A]nd when he confessed his sin four times, the Prophet called him and said, ‘Are you mad?’ [Punishment is not inflicted on the insane]. He said, ‘No, O Allah’s Messenger!’ The Prophet asked, ‘Are you married? He said, ‘Yes, O Allah’s Messenger.’ The Prophet said (to the people), ‘Take him away and stone him to death.’ (Bukhari 8:6825; cf. 8:6815)Just giving an illustration about how some practices justifies killing.There are many practices which mullah & islam teaches to kill kafirs. They are promised heaven with 72 virgins for these lovely deeds.How can you stop terrorism when there is no reform process initiated in pakistan.Only kamal ata turk was the real mussalman,that is why turkey is a country of progress & wisdon not south asia which is full of crappy mullahs preaching these things. There is a demand in europe that countries there have to adopt these practices. Who knows tommorow there may be a terrorist hostage crisis saying if you don’t do this we will kill 5000 people ( human life is worthless anyway in south asia because of islam).

Posted by vijay | Report as abusive

The 21st person on the list, which india is asking of Pakistan should be the Top Terrorist in Pakistan, the notorious and insidious General Hamid Gul. He is responsible for the death of almost a million Afghanistanis and thousands of Indians. He is the mastermind architect and facilitator who has been fueling the Terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan. He should be arrested and given to the Indian Govt and put on Trial for War Crimes.

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Indian,Don’t try to be so smart; I have in all humility asked you a question. So don;t give smart answers.Please respect the forum, even if you can’t respect your fellow human beings.Now, this is what I have called ‘uncivilized’, ‘barbaric’ and the proof is here for all to see.

Posted by Siddharthh | Report as abusive

Hey kumar don’t be afraid to admit that the broken English that you’ve learned over the phone lines when I pay for my t.v bills represents your ignorant, thoughtless, and self contradicting views. It’s ok i guess the crackheads need a chance to express themselves too no go back to your serene beliefs that the Indian government is without any domestic problems and any threat to the glory of the subcontinent can be blamed on foreign countries.

Posted by weebs | Report as abusive

‘I have in all humility asked you a question. So don;t give smart answers.’– You should be thanking me for giving smart answers to your idiotic questions..

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive

Being a true paki, i accept the truth that ,India is the father of pakistan .we cannot deny it.And we must respect the dignity and generosity of india.I do beleive india ia a great country .Everywhere the reason of breaching peace is our muslim community .Quran never said kill people in the name of Allah ..its just insane beleif ,which is responsible for all the masacres .Muslims are just destroying the name of their community and Allah as well.No other community respect this religion ,i feel ashamed to say when someone asks “from which country i belong” .and i will accept, our community has turned this whole world as a hell ..the root cause of the terrorist activities is insane religious beleif.this definately needs an end .whoever will do this ,will surely get heaven and will be the deaest of Allah too.

Posted by Pakistani | Report as abusive

To all bloggers here.It is apparent now that the Democratic Pakistani Govt had no involvement with the Mumbai Terror attack.BUT it is quite apparent that with the level of sophistication of the attack that the rogue elements of the Pak Army and ISI are behind this act. The army and ISI for decades has been operating as its own Rogue Country within Pakistan and working against the common good of the country. The creator the Terrorism is the Pak Military and the ISI, which consider themselves independent of the Democratic country and don’t care about the democracy.The ISI and Pak Military should be labelled as a Rogue Terrorist Organization, independent of Pakistan.It is clearly apparent that Pakistan has been operating as an overthrown state, given the Army and ISI’s manufacturing of Terrorism.It is therefore truly necessary and morally required that an Extremely Massive Multinational Force(5 million plus troops), including the U.S., India, U.K., U.N., NATO and other European countries disarm the PAK Army and ISI of the nuclear warheads.This is absolutely necessary for the security of the world, given that the Democratic Government is not control of its country, that a Rogue military power with its own political agenda is in control.The World is failing to realize that a small military political minority in Pakistan, namely the ISI and the ARMY is two faced, lies to its own people and is covertly training terrorists.The ARMY needs to be “removed” the ISI “dismantled” and the military “disarmed of its nuclear weapons” by the Multinational force. At the same time, all the Madrassas need to be torn down. Once the force leaves, there shall be no more ISI, only a small democratic army for the country and no more madrassas or any of the evil hate preaching, IMAMS.Each and every person of any authority of the ISI and Pak military should be rounded up, so that they cannot hurt Pakistan and more and cannot creat anymore terrorists.The Pak Military and ISI have been economically bleeding the country dry with no money left for the people.All of Pakistan can truly join the rest of the world in prosperity and peace and trade.

Posted by The World Needs to Fix Pakistan | Report as abusive

If Zardari or the Pak Military lacks the political will or general willingness to destroy the Madrassas and terrorist training camps.India should surgically strike those terrorist centres on behalf of Pakistan, the same way the U.S. is sending drones into Pakistan.Pakistan in its complicity, is not willing to co-operate in a FULLY WHOLE-HEARTED and SINCERE MANNER to shutting down the Islamic Terror Network.Somebody has to do something.

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mr indian says, “Somebody has to do something.”somebody is doing something… they’re dismantling pakistan… and once they’re finished dismantling pakistan, israel and india will no longer be threatened by pakistani nukes, the israelis, israeli americans and indians will have solidified their control of chinese access to persian gulf/central asian energy, muslims will have taken another one in the shorts, and everything will be hunky-dory….except for one big thing: the people who dreamed this scheme up have such a lousy record of achieving their goals, and sooner or later you have to start wondering if maybe they have no real goal other than wrecking countries and looting them.this is their last chance, whatever their goals… this is their last chance at global hegemony before the oil runs out, if by chance that’s their goal —the stated goal of the PNAC people.this is their last chance to secure israel before the oil runs out, if that happens to be their goal —which is certainly the supposed goal of the likud party of israel, with whom the israeli americans and their oily exxon fellow travelers are allied.this is their last chance to make the biggest killing of all time, as the oil runs out —supposing all they want is enough loot to hide out until the dust settles, post oil.and that’s just how it is…….but it’s nice to see india coming so far out of the closet.

Posted by wadosy | Report as abusive

Indian,You are an a**hole, through and through.Now, do you ‘understand’ what I mean by that??Or should I send you to Kindergarten once again???

Posted by Siddharthh | Report as abusive

IT IS OFFICIAL…GENERAL HAMEED GUL A TERRORIST! Nov 3, 2008The U.S. has asked the U.N. to have the Notorious Terrorism Ring Leader Pakistani General Hameed Gul to be labelled as one of the most wanted Terrorists.Bravo! good move.Now its time for Zardari to apprehend Gul and the 10 or so former ISI and new ISI officials and send them to the U.S. for capital punishment.If Pakistan turns over Gul, this would bring prosperity, secularism and stability to Pakistan and India relations.

Posted by Rick | Report as abusive

I do not know what is fed to all these indians, because they all are saying things for which their exist no evidence only media news which we see on TV and press is again repeated here. What makes them think Pakistan is involve in terror attacks in India. One question that I am asking all indians that ok if you say it is Pakistan tell us one thing was their navy sleeping when ten people were crossing border, hijacking boat and killing their people. Further, everybody watched the CCTV video of police being hidden behind some pillar, I agreed police doesn’t have weapons to fight, but they could have call with any phone, why didn’t they do that. Please stop raising finger on Pakistan, and start revamping yourself and think out of box – Peace is the only solution.The comments by Pakistani is the true picture what indians are doing – Lying, and defaming Pakistan. You_____ stop doing this. We all Pakistani are proud of our country, Islam is the pure religion and the only true religion on earth. Non-muslims are trying to destroy Islam because they are well aware that thier religion is based on false thoughts. whoever he/she is you should be ashamed of yourself.One more thing don’t even think of harming prosperity of Pakistan – the country of great nation – because this will never happen. india had tried it earlier through element of RAW in Karachi, now this false propaganda on media, this dream of your will never come true.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Kumar, stop insulting religions, especially once 95% of the text comprising your post isn’t even real words. Stop embarrassing yourself as an illiterate untouchable and acknowledge the fact that Islam, just like Hinduism and Sikhism, has molded a great deal of India’s modern day culture.

Posted by weebs | Report as abusive

Indian can you please give me some proof of the nationality, intentions, and affiliations of these terrorists? No, I don’t mean India’s conclusions because they’re obviously biased what kind of insane leader would admit to the fact that they have radicalized elements within their own borders instead of claiming that the cause of the problems is another country. If you haven’t noticed all that we have to go on is India’s word and their honesty seems to be in question.

Posted by weebs | Report as abusive

The problem Pakistan is facing today, is becuase of their own actions. Their Govt. feels pride in saying that we have closed some 7 camps on POK, but doesn’t comment that why they were open at the first place. The problem with Pakistan is, that they are still roaming to find a direction for them. The seeds sown by Gen. Zia-ul-Haq and irrigated by US President Ronal Regan, are now full fledged trees, ready to engulf their own country. Today, Pakistan has become a synoym of Terror & militancy. Their economy is crippling, and will cripple more. This is a very good example to all those, who want to see the result of fundamentalism. Their foundation is based on hatred & war, so its difficult to think of their prosperity. Pakistan’s media, elites & intellectuals have also contributed in spreading hatred against India. The word Hindu is something, which every Pakistani kid is told to kill and hate right from their early childhood. Their education system, social setup & upbringing, all is based on dangerous policies. Today, they hate India for their growth, the progress, the moderate mindset & positive impressions they create. It is high time to: First of all, accept & acknowledge that what happened on terrorist front was bad & has real active connections with Pakistan, Secondly, we should stop talking war as it will kill our innocent public on both sides and the rogue elements will again escape..so the best thing to dismantle the demon of Terrorism jointly and last thing is, start making joint bilateral forums for speedy economic cooperation & employment generation programmes on both sides of the border.

Posted by Nuppe | Report as abusive

Can we please just skip the nonsense and get to the mushroom clouds. I mean it seems these two nations can’t wait to bomb each other back to the stone age, not a long trip for most of the populations.It’s funny I hear talk about Islam being about peace and yet who are the fanatics beheading people, bombing mosques, etc. I used to think it was just fringe elements, but the more it happens the more I wonder. Of course you notice where all these billions of mohammadists come from and you see it’s the armpits and nether reaches of the world.

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