Comments on: India – aiming for diplomatic encirclement of Pakistan? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Peace http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-10102 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:27:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-10102 What to say more for a country who says lies and lies only–previously it says it has provided all evidences to the world about Pakistan involvement in mumbai incident, forget to remove the thread from so-called terrorist hand and then edit photos and remove wrist band. Their PM is nowing to li_ck US sh_it and beg for help to save them from Pakistan, true nation. india has failed many times in its attempt to defame pakistan but as always this time also it has to lick again his own spit back.

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By: Saf http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9967 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:40:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9967 Wow Margaret. I thought conspiracy theories were only propagated by my Pakistani brethren, but you take the cake.

The US Media did report the atrocities (check CBS coverage on youtube) much to Nixon’s dislike who turned the other way. The US stayed out of it, but did not condemn it. It was systematic and organized because it was being committed by the Pakistan Army.

After Partition I believe it cut both ways on the killings where Muslims and Hindus killed each other. It is also noted by most Historians that Muslim migrants were mostly killed. There did exist a Hindu minority (and still does) in Pakistan, but unfortunately the numbers HAVE drizzled DOWN considerably thanks to fanaticism and govt neglect, BUT KILLING every Hindu doesn’t hold water.

The CIA conspiracies of controlling the media (however the US govt has a brilliant PR system to show their side of the story),Gandhi and JFK’s assassination are just pure paranoia.

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By: margaret khan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9900 Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:20:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9900 Kashmir is a slogan and a smoke screen. Pakistan does not care about Kashmir. Pakistan only cares about hate. Get people distracted hating somebody and they won’t demand decent government. If the rest of Kashmir were given to Pakistan they would find some other excuse. If Pakistan conquered India, they would kill every Hindu.
East Pakistan had nothing to do with Kashmir or India. India rescued East Pakistan from total annihilation. After Partition Pakistan killed every Hindu who would not flee. In 1971 Pakistan attempted to kill every Bengali who would not or could not flee. The province would have been emptied of people. The question is, did the cia help to kill all those people. The Pakistanis were not systematic or organized enough to have done it alone. The cia certainly used their control over the US news media to downplay it. Since the cia was infiltrated after wwII by Nazis, it seems logical that these cia goons would help Pakistan kill three million people.
You have to realize that those three million people were real people. They did not expect the army attack. Most of those killed were children. Because of the cia control of US media, Pakistan has never been taken to task for anything. India is not much better. Indira Ghandi made a heroic move to free East Pakistan. But look what happened to her. They killed her, just like JFK. Look what has happened to the US. The land of the brave and the home of the free has become a cruel joke. We lost our democracy in 1963. Those goons rule us and we let them.

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By: N. Javed http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9751 Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:17:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9751 We’re DEFINITELY on the right track here. Let’s continue to put the cart before the horse.

Or how is this for an idea? In fact at the risk of sounding like a broken record, and please pardon my borrowing a line from the 1st Clinton run, but it is indeed:

THE KASHMIR PROBLEM STUPID!

The sooner India, the world’s biggest democracy, shakes off it’s positive allergy to SERIOUSLY, fully and finally discussing this ‘explosive’ issue (remember the democratically held UN Kashmiri plebisite?) the sooner the that WHOLE region and by extension, the West can feel safer.

Our courageous Musharraf and his multi one-way unanswered gestures (how unfortunate) may have left the scene, but PLEASE understand this:

Cosmetic and mere lip service CBM’s, stubbornly refusing to include near impatient and ready 3rd party mediators (US PRES. OBAMA being the latest) with the real hope that the issue will somehow be swept under the rug by the passage of time are a waste of both time and money. What do you fear? Peace? Or should we continue to insist on pieces?

HEEEELLLLLOOOOO????

Indian friends, is your government listening?

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By: John http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9624 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:45:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9624 The Indian troops-to-Kashmiri people ratio in the occupied Kashmir is the largest ever soldiers-to-civilians ratio in the world. There are approximately 700,000 Indian military forces–including regular army, para-military troops, border security force and police–currently deployed in the occupied Kashmir. This is in addition to thousands of “counter-militants” –the civilians hired by the Indian forces to crush the uprising.

Since the start of popular uprising, thousands of innocent Kashmir people have been killed by the Indian occupation forces. There are various estimates of these killings. According to government of India estimates, the number of persons killed in Occupied Kashmir between 1989 and 1996 was 15,002. Other Indian leaders have stated a much higher figure. For instance, former Home Minister Mohammad Maqbool Dar said nearly 40,000 people were killed in the Valley “over the past seven years.” Farooq Abdullah’s 1996 statement estimated 50,000 killings “since the beginning of the uprising.” The All-Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC)–which is a representative body of over a dozen Kashmiri freedom fighters’ organizations–also cites the same number. Estimates of world news agencies and international human rights organizations are over 20,000 killed.

Indian human rights violations in Occupied Kashmir include indiscriminate killings and mass murders, torturing and extra-judicial executions, and destruction of business and residential properties, molesting and raping women. These have been extensively documented by Amnesty International, US Human Rights Watch-Asia, Physicians for Human Rights, International Commission of Jurists (Geneva), Contact Group on Kashmir of the Organization of Islamic Countries–and, in India, by Peoples Union for Civil Liberties, the Coordination Committee on Kashmir, and the Jammu and Kashmir Peoples’ Basic Rights Protection Committee. Despite repeated requests over the years by world human rights organizations such as the Amnesty International, the Indian government has not permitted them any access to occupied territories. In 1997, it even refused the United Nations representatives permission to visit there.

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By: Vijay http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9605 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:27:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9605 Alethia,

I genuinely do like your post. To your proposal of continuing the Composite dialogue i do not share your enthusiasm.It is better to call off all these dialogues for now.The lahore walk was repaid with kargill, the parliament attack ended with no culprits being booked & now the mumbai attack has seen many dramas. Unless Pakistan moves into a democracy & there is clarity that the people of pakistan will rally behind their leader in decisions they make the whole thing to me looks futile & insincere.By the way Best wishes for a great new year.

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By: twinky http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9558 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:45:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9558 The snake has been completely exposed. Other ppl have to feed it for survival. It has no plans for the future. It is emaciated, just encircle it.

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By: venkat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9556 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:19:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9556 pak is not understood the basics in criminology. you cannot collect foolproof evidence at the site of crime alone. the available evidence has to be corroborated with evidence available with residence of the criminals and theirs perpetrators and helpers. responsible nation cannot damand foolproof evidence at the crime of site. they should interrogate with available evidence and make it fool proof. if this basic principle is not understood, then either they dont know about how to keep law and order or they should be acting. there cannot be third opinion

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By: Ahmed Jawad http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9555 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:04:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9555 Pakistan And India:
My confession: “I am a Pskitani national and I think people who prepetrated Mumbai attacks shall be tried in indian court. I think they are pakistani nationals though no ISI and/or Army is involved”

people with same ethnicity but hatred. The claims and claims and claims, In India, Pakistan is a 100% faulty nation with its founding fathers far from the integrity of Ghandhi. In pakistan, Ghandhi is a pupil of chaankia and sign of Hypocrisy. In India, people celebrate the indian victory and offense in 1971 as a victoy where they aggressed inside the border of another nation. in Pakistan, people hate it and think india meddled in their internal affairs. Shall we meddle in Kashmir also. because like East Pakistanis, a lot of kasmiris come to Paksitan and say they want to get rid of India. Kashmir, is a wrod which indians dont like to say or listen, The K word. The Million march on the roads of kasmir in May-August 2008 when indian flags were burnt is forgotten in India and Democracy is winning after a so called 69% voting, who cares when there is no international observation allowed to count how many voted. People who reply my comment will not even write the name of Kashmir. Hyderabad Dakkan, which was taken by india on the basis that the Raja wants to go with pakistan but the populations wants to go with India but in Kashmir, Raja wanted to go with india but population with Pakistan. The same logic did not serve the purpose of India. India first took the water of three Pakistani rivers in 60s and now closing Chenab even. I would love them to be at peace but they have to accept the K issue. India wants to speak the language of USA with us. The same language bush talked to Saddam. Dear brothers, we are not Iraq or Afghanistan and you are not USA. You are not sitting 10000 Kms from us. The fact is that you are our neighbor and in range of our missiles, planes and tanks. We want peace, but dont talk to us in the language you dont like to listen your self. Be friends and allow us to live. Dont speak the language of propaganda, use your brains, If we are united we can be powerful

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By: Alethia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2008/12/26/india-aiming-for-diplomatic-encirclement-of-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-9543 Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:05:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1345#comment-9543 Now that tempers seem to have calmed down a little and India and Pakistan are both throwing cold water on the prospect of war, I’d like to make some proposals:

1) India and Pakistan should get over their reticence and begin sharing intelligence with eachother on the terrorism which is present in both countries.

2) The terrorists who committted the Mumbai massacre should be indentified with bona fide evidence, i.e., India should give the evidence it has to Interpol and through Interpol Pakistan must take that evidence and act on it. (I’m not accusing India of withholding evidence, they needed time to gather it and I’m confident they had every intention all along to supply it when the investigation was over).

3) Would the governments of India and Pakistan please put in place a ruling that until investigations are complete, no police, no leaks to news agencies, and no other officials should be allowed to give his/her opinion as to who they think committed a terrorist attack.

4) Will the governments of India and Pakistan please continue their composite dialogue. Do not allow terrorists to set your agenda.

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