Eye on Pakistan’s Baluchistan as violence mounts

January 5, 2009

While the firepower and consequently all the media attention has been focused on Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas and the North West Frontier Province, violence in Baluchistan province to the south has worsened.
 
The year gone by was the bloodiest in a decade for Baluchistan, the country’s largest but most impoverished province where a low key insurgency has raged for decades, the Daily Times said. Official data showed a steadily rising level of violence, up from 303 people killed in 2005 to 433 in 2008, the first time killings crossed the 400-mark.

 
There were 120 bomb blasts, 208 rocket attacks, 141 landmine blasts and 32 hand grenade attacks in the past year, and it could have been worse if the three main Baluch nationalist insurgent groups operating in the area – the BLA, the Baloch Republic Army and Baloch Liberation Front – had not declared ceasefire, the newspaper said. One of them, the BRA, has announced the end of the ceasefire from the New Year accusing the government of  of kiling tribesmen.The other two groups may well follow suit, the Daily Times said, warning of a difficult year ahead in the vast sparsely populated desert region that straddles Afghanistan and Iran.


 
According to this piece by The Jameston Foundation, the prime motivators of the insurgency remain the Baluch nationalists who live in the remote mountains of the province and believe they have been deprived of their rights and revenues from the considerable natural resources of their province. But the Islamists led by the Taliban   are also active throughout the rugged and harsh terrain, particularly in state capital Quetta and the Pashtun belt of the province bordering Afghanistan.
 
Mullah Mohammad Omar has long been rumoured to be based in Quetta  from where the one-eyed leader and his council dubbed the “Quetta shura” have directed the Taliban’s broad military and political strategies and arranged arms and other supplies for their fighters in southern Afghanistan,  according to this report by McClatchy Newspapers, citing U.S. officials. The “:Quetta shura” presides over military, intelligence, political, and religious committees, and also oversees a fund-raising operation in the Pakistani port city of Karachi that raises money across the Muslim world,  the report quoted  a Pentagon adviser on the region as saying. Baluchistan also is a major corridor through which Afghan opium, which is refined into heroin, is smuggled to the outside world, providing the Taliban with $60-$80 million a year.

But the U.S. drone campaign has focused almost entirely on the al Qaeda belt in the tribal agencies further up the Pakistani northwest and the North West Frontier Province leaving out the Taliban leadership in Baluchistan.  Is it because of military limitations in extending the theatre of conflict or is there a longer term logic to spare the Afghan Taliban while going after al Qaeda first?
 
There is another dimension to the troubles in Baluchistan. Pakistan suspects India of trying to create trouble in the region by instigating the insurgents. New Delhi denies this, but in the light of the Mumbai attacks some people are advocating India launch its version of bleeding Pakistan by a thousand cuts by waging a covert war.
 
Is Baluchistan the next battleground then?

(Reuters photo: Pakistani soldier stands guard on the Khyber Pass)

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Sanjeev.. Have yopu just woke up the reality now…
“some people are advocating India launch its version of bleeding Pakistan by a thousand cuts by waging a covert war.”

Well my friend India has lareday been involved in this. If that was not tghe case I wonder why India needs to have over dozen counslates on the border with Afghanistan/Pakistan surely not to issue Taliban visas for India lol.

Sanjeev it is FACT that india has been involved. Pakistan will soon expose how India has been meddling with Pakistan internal affiars.

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

There are two main reasons Baluchistan is what it is today. One, it has rigid tribal control. These so-called tribal leaders have not permitted to establish education institutions and any other development projects for only one reason, to be sure that there is no challenge to their authoritarian rule. Second reason is, Interference of India and Afghanistan. India supplied arms and has been training insurgents. Intensity of this support has been up and down to suit Indian needs.

I worked as sub-engineer in Baluchistan from 1969 to 1971. My college was kidnapped by Baluch insurgents and released after three months in very poor health. Traveling throughout Baluchisatn I am witness to above two reasons as to why Baluchisatn is where it is today. What are the solutions, education and development of infrastructure and elimination/ removal of so-called tribal leaders by whatever means.

Posted by Truth | Report as abusive

After launching and after getting caught, Pakistan has been stonewalling investigations on the Mumbai terrorist investigations. This naturally causes deterioration in inter national relations in South Asia.

Because of this obstructionist attitude from Pakistan, India is very likely to reactivate with vigor additional negotiating tools with Pakistan. These include Chenab water, Balochi gas pipelines, Mohajir-Pashtun tensions in Karachi, additional Indian ground forces in Afghnaistan and so on.

Ali,

Where is the evidence of Indian involvement? Give us “proofs”

Posted by Rajat | Report as abusive

Rajat,
Ali was there with his binaculors in islamabad to see the fact that India is involved with trouble in baluchistan.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

I think it is time for Pakistan to re-invent its purpose. Its original purpose was to separate from India because the muslims were afraid of being overrun by the educated and much more populous Hindus.

Pakistan’s creation and existence has largely been fueled by hate. Its leaders often lie, its Military leaders foment and interfere in the stability of other countries. The culture of jealously against India must end. Hindus are not your enemies, as you you have been brain washed.

Pakistan’s true enemy is the one within…the Madrassas, the Military, the corrupt Government, the Jihadists extremists and suicide bombers.

The youth of Pakistan must reject the notion of a pure Islamic state, as religion and hate alone cannot fuel a countries’ growth, progress, integrity and image.

Its time the young people tell the old ones, we don’t want your Pakistan, we want a new, revived, friendly, softer, trushworthy Paksitan that is truly secular and democratic.

Although the founding fathers fueled the creation of Pakistan using religion. Religion has ravaged Pakistan and is no longer serving in its original intention.

Pakistan will not survive if religion and politics cannot be separated.

This is the stark reality of things.

Posted by Nation Watcher | Report as abusive

Balochistan is an occupied land. Paki army occupied this land of free in 1948 with tanks and canons. Baloch like the Palestinians have every right to be a free nation on the map of the world. All terrorist and extremist elements in Pakistan were trained by the paki army and are fighting a proxy war for them in Kashmir and Afghanistan. It is a very old argument of Pakistani establishment to blame all injustices and reactions to it on India and the sardars. But this time it will not work. Long live Balochistan.

Posted by Zafar Baloch | Report as abusive

Ali,

To call your bluff.
India has only 4 consulate in Afghanistan and that is not an unusually high number given the number of indians working on rebuilding Afghanistan ravaged by meddling pakis and their stooges.
Bangladesh has 3 consular generals. Is that too to destabilize Pakistan?

Source: Ministry of External Affairs
http://meaindia.nic.in/

When india was partitioned Balochistan went to pakistan even when majority wanted it to be with India. But perhaps because of already simmering Kashmir, India let it go to Pakistan. The greatest and most popular leader from Balochistan Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was left heart broken

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Khan_Abdul_ Ghaffar_Khan

those seeds of discontent and the continued neglect of Pakistani state of Balochistan has brought us where we are now.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

[...] Eye on Pakistan?s Baluchistan as violence mounts While the firepower and consequently all the media attention has been focused on Pakistan?s Federally Administered Tribal Areas and the North West Frontier Province, violence in Baluchistan province to the south has worsened. The year gone by was the bloodiest in a decade for Baluchistan, the country?s largest but most impoverished province where a low key insurgency has raged for decades, the Daily Times said. Official data showed a steadily rising level of violence, up from 303 people killed in 2005 to 433 in 2008, the first time killings crossed the 400-mark. There were 120 bomb blasts, 208 rocket attacks, 141 landmine blasts and 32 hand grenade attacks in the past year, and it could have been worse if the three main Baluch nationalist insurgent groups operating in the area – the BLA, the Baloch Republic Army and Baloch Liberation Front – had not declared ceasefire, the newspaper said. One of them, the BRA, has announced the end of the ceasefire from the New Year accusing the government of of kiling tribesmen.The other two groups may well follow suit, the Daily Times said, warning of a difficult year ahead in the vast sparsely populated desert region that straddles Afghanistan and Iran. According to this piece by The Jameston Foundation, the prime motivators of the insurgency remain the Baluch nationalists who live in the remote mountains of the province and believe they have been deprived of their rights and revenues from the considerable natural resources of their province. But the Islamists led by the Taliban are also active throughout the rugged and harsh terrain, particularly in state capital Quetta and the Pashtun belt of the province bordering Afghanistan. Mullah Mohammad Omar has long been rumoured to be based in Quetta from where the one-eyed leader and his council dubbed the ?Quetta shura? have directed the Taliban?s broad military and political strategies and arranged arms and other supplies for their fighters in southern Afghanistan, according to this report by McClatchy Newspapers, citing U.S. officials. The ?:Quetta shura? presides over military, intelligence, political, and religious committees, and also oversees a fund-raising operation in the Pakistani port city of Karachi that raises money across the Muslim world, the report quoted a Pentagon adviser on the region as saying. Baluchistan also is a major corridor through which Afghan opium, which is refined into heroin, is smuggled to the outside world, providing the Taliban with $60-$80 million a year. But the U.S. drone campaign has focused almost entirely on the al Qaeda belt in the tribal agencies further up the Pakistani northwest and the North West Frontier Province leaving out the Taliban leadership in Baluchistan. Is it because of military limitations in extending the theatre of conflict or is there a longer term logic to spare the Afghan Taliban while going after al Qaeda first? There is another dimension to the troubles in Baluchistan. Pakistan suspects India of trying to create trouble in the region by instigating the insurgents. New Delhi denies this, but in the light of the Mumbai attacks some people are advocating India launch its version of bleeding Pakistan by a thousand cuts by waging a covert war. Is Baluchistan the next battleground then? Pakistan: Now or Never? Blog Archive Eye on Pakistan’s Baluchistan as violence mounts | Blogs … [...]

Nation Watcher:
On your comment–
“Its time the young people tell the old ones, we don’t want your Pakistan, we want a new, revived, friendly, softer, trushworthy Pakistan that is truly secular and democratic.”

The liberalism of which you speak is already emerging in Pakistan. You can see it in the attitudes of people everywhere. From the rebuilding and renovation of long-neglected Hindu temples and Sikh Gurdwaras, to the new empahsis on good education for boys and girls. (There are Montessori schools popping up everywhere in Pakistan, as one of the choices in quality education). My Muslim friends from Lahore constantly tell me how proud they are also of their Hindu heritage and point out how the customs of Hindus color their present-day customs.

I see a definite push toward better relations with India and a desire to keep South Asia for South Asians.

Posted by Alethia | Report as abusive

Ali,

I guess you get paid for writing rubbish and irrelevant comments where ever possible. I must say education in Madrassas has finally started looking up.

Sanjeev,

For over 60 years, Baluchistan continues to be a battleground for Pakistan. Pakis are incapable of dealing with it. The generals in Pakistan have conveniently blamed the uncivilized(?) Balochis and recently the Indians for the violence; both the claims are baseless. Many foreign journalists, including the UN, are not allowed to go there to uncover the truth.

Pakistan and India have foreign consulates in the same cities near eastern Afghanistan border. The whole Pakistani hysteria baffles me.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

To Nation Watcher,

Your notion of a new, friendly, softer, trustworthy truly secular and democratic Pakistan is a wishful thinking.

Pakistan’s identity crisis runs deep and it has big ego to match. If Pakistan tries to inculcate above virtues it will start resembling like the Indian state. By doing that, you take away the key differentiating factor and the reason for its existence.

The generals and the hawks in Pakistan will make sure that the cultural ties/roots with kaffir India does not threaten the hard identity of Islamic Pakistan; case in point, look at the timing of Mumbai attacks.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c ontext=va&aid=7705

This explains the problems in balochistan

I am not sure about Indian parcipitation in Baluchistan war but even it is so, I wish India pushed it to the end. Pakistan understands only this language. A long and well planned out strategy to bleed pakistan in its own game is what India needs right now.

Posted by Aaruni Upadhyay | Report as abusive

Pakistan’s extensive oil and gas reserves, largely located in Balochistan province, as well as its pipeline corridors are considered strategic by the Anglo-American alliance, requiring the concurrent militarization of Pakistani territory.

Balochistan comprises more than 40 percent of Pakistan’s land mass, possesses important reserves of oil and natural gas as well as extensive mineral resources.

The Iran-India pipeline corridor is slated to transit through Balochistan. Balochistan also possesses a deap sea port largely financed by China located at Gwadar, on the Arabian Sea, not far from the Straits of Hormuz where 30 % of the world’s daily oil supply moves by ship or pipeline. (Asia News.it, 29 December 2007)

Pakistan has an estimated 25.1 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of proven gas reserves of which 19 trillion are located in Balochistan. Among foreign oil and gas contractors in Balochistan are BP, Italy’s ENI, Austria’s OMV, and Australia’s BHP. It is worth noting that Pakistan’s State oil and gas companies, including PPL which has the largest stake in the Sui oil fields of Balochistan are up for privatization under IMF-World Bank supervision.

According to the Oil and Gas Journal (OGJ), Pakistan had proven oil reserves of 300 million barrels, most of which are located in Balochistan. Other estimates place Balochistan oil reserves at an estimated six trillion barrels of oil reserves both on-shore and off-shore…

Covert Support to Balochistan Separatists

Balochistan’s strategic energy reserves have a bearing on the separatist agenda. Following a familiar pattern, there are indications that the Baloch insurgency is being supported and abetted by Britain and the US.

The Baloch national resistance movement dates back to the late 1940s, when Balochistan was invaded by Pakistan. In the current geopolitical context, the separatist movement is in the process of being hijacked by foreign powers.

British intelligence is allegedly providing covert support to Balochistan separatists (which from the outset have been repressed by Pakistan’s military). In June 2006, Pakistan’s Senate Committee on Defence accused British intelligence of “abetting the insurgency in the province bordering Iran” [Balochistan]..(Press Trust of India, 9 August 2006). Ten British MPs were involved in a closed door session of the Senate Committee on Defence regarding the alleged support of Britain’s Secret Service to Baloch separatists (Ibid). Also of relevance are reports of CIA and Mossad support to Baloch rebels in Iran and Southern Afghanistan.

It would appear that Britain and the US are supporting both sides. The US is providing American F-16 jets to the Pakistani military, which are being used to bomb Baloch villages in Balochistan. Meanwhile, British alleged covert support to the separatist movement (according to the Pakistani Senate Committee) contributes to weakening the central government.

The stated purpose of US counter-terrorism is to provide covert support as well as as training to “Liberation Armies” ultimately with a view to destabilizing sovereign governments. In Kosovo, the training of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in the 1990s had been entrusted to a private mercenary company, Military Professional Resources Inc (MPRI), on contract to the Pentagon.

Posted by Alice | Report as abusive

What goes around comes around,not only did we survive kashmir but built a trillion dollar economy along the way.

Lets see how the pakis fare up with insurgencies in Balochistan and NWFP,we will not go for a frontal war to unite Pak which is what you want but will fund every anti punjabi sunni organization in the land.
BLA,MQM,Pashtun Liberation,Shias,Ahmediyas etc etc etc
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! :)

Posted by Sameer Verma | Report as abusive

What a flush of words from each side: i have 160million mounths to say India is bad and you got 1.6billion to say rubbish about Pakistan… what a fuss.
The World knows how the politicians are on both side.. that is why Saudi Arabia, China, France, UK and even US has asked india to give concrete evidence for involvement of Pakistan in mumbai incident… Similarly indian involvement was rejected in case of Kashmir, Karachi, Baluchistan and Swat….
Instead of pointing fingures can we just go through facts what is being happening to us…are we born to fight….No–LIVE IN PEACE.

Long live and prosperous Pakistan.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Nikhil my idiot soz indian friend n neighour thanks for your complimenting me on my madrasa education and I am proud of it. Infact it is slightly better then where you have been educated (RSA) sponosred Hindu Fanatic School.

Now to the point Idiots want “PROOF” of indian involvment in Pakistan the same word, which Pakistan must have made record of using it asking indians.

Another idiot in the name of “Om” thinks that I was in Islamabad with binaculars, Om, I guess thats what you were doing when the ten kids came to Bombay? Watching all along these kids get on a boat from Karachi and arrive in Bombay. What make were those binoculars? Surley NOT indian lol.

Some idiots think they have survived Kashmir, let me tell all you idiots that Kashmir is for Kashmiris and as soon as we get the green light to go into Kashmir. We will cut the throats of those Indians cowards who are raping, murdering inncoent Kashmiris. I think the indians have forgoton too soon the only one voice coming out of Kashmir was —- AZADI – AZADI – AZADI —–n IS AZADI AZDI!!!

India is living in dream of having a Greater Hindustan, the day she realises that Pakistan is there to stay and stops taking advantage of situation within Pakistan. Stops meddling in PAKISTANS internal affairs as it did in 1971, fine. If not be ready for Nuke up your, you know where the sun dont shine my idiot sunshines lol.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL THE IDIOTS ON THE BLOGG!!!!

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Cool down folks. Everyone wants war in a military sense but in these days, that’s not the answer to everything.
Today’s “war” is more economic in nature.
If Pak is not controlling the terrorism on its territory,
India needs to think strategically.
Pak is already circling the drain economically and India should make sure that Pak trade suffers till they come to their senses.
Pak is getting abandoned, even by their own people. The Pak elites send their children abroad the first chance they get. The US will use the territory as target practice. The “jihad” monster is eating Pak from within and its just a matter of time before they pull the state down. I hope the Pak govt realizes that they are cutting off their nose to spite their neighbour’s face, else they will see a wretching civil war on their hands.

Posted by Andy Rebeiro | Report as abusive

Pakistan will start disappearing from the world map from 2011. By 2020, it will be history.

Welcome to Republics of Balochistan, Sindh and Greater Afghanistan.

Posted by Baluchee | Report as abusive

To Peace

If countries like India had a choice they would not have lived in a neighborhood of countries with unstable/puppet governments fighting theocracy in their lands for survival. In 1999, India and Pakistan started the recent peace talks at Lahore. Since then,India is resilient but, Pakistan is nothing but belligerent in its actions. Look at the Kargil incursion , the Indian parliamentary attacks, the Indian Airlines plane hijack, the Indian embassy attacks in Kabul and now the attacks in Mumbai.

Regarding the Mumbai attacks, the world did not ask India to give evidence however, India chose to share it with the global powers first. India knew in advance, like before, Pakistan will deny it. Strangely, the evidence was enough for the UNSC but not good enough for the puppets in Islamabad.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

India thinks that Pakistan is involved in Mumbai attacjs therefore Indian govt and Indians (in India and abroad) are trying to push the Baluchistan issue.

Yes tehe are issues and Pakistan will overcome these issues in Baluchistan insha-Allah, however, if any Indian thinks that this is the East Pakistan situation then they are wrong.

Posted by Imran Siddiqui | Report as abusive

Pakistan is in a civil war – Punjabi army fighting the FATA provinces. I never knew of Baluch rebels. Had heard about Greater Pakhtunistan tough.

Well, keep up the good work Pakistani army. Kill them all.

Posted by Jerry | Report as abusive

To Imran Siddiqui

Because Baluchistan is discussed on this blog it does not mean India is highlighting it. The Balochi freedom struggle, which is going on over 60 years, is well known. Despite Pakistan’s attempts to block foreign journalists in Baluchistan while brutally squashing Balochis, the western journals and print media have managed to document it.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

All the countries are using lots of carrots and sticks to tackle Pakistan- a violent, belligerent country, neither at peace with itself or with the outside world.

The carrots have gone to Pakistan army so far. Mainly acquiring more weaponry, gadgetry through blackmail. That’s where the problem lies.

Some serious out of the box thinking and change in the strategy from US is needed and is forthcoming. The most important priority should be further downgrading and weakening of conventional force capabilities of Pak army and air force. This defanging is critically needed for peace and stability in the region.

It seems that we should doa kashmir on pakistan in baluchistan.

Posted by Sandeep | Report as abusive

pakistan is openly killing peaceful baluch independance leaders, allowing foreign forces to attack its citizens, India is giving protection to Hurriat leaders in kashmir, inviting them for talks and participation in polls, people of kashmir and pakistan should understand where people are having more freedom.

Posted by venkat | Report as abusive

Inflammatory;that an Indian author should try & pick out why Baluchistan is a regional issue.The anti-Pakistan militias are being fed,supported,armed,trained,indoctrinate d & radicalized by Indian intelligence.Its highly inflammatory that Indians are considering this an issue of ‘human rights’.Go ask Christians in Orissa how they feel first.

Posted by Qasim Awan | Report as abusive

Here,I have a chargesheet of Indian espionage activities in Pakistan pre-26/11

1.Blocking flow of water from River Chenab in IHK to Pakistani agriculatural lands,hence attempting to choke agriculture & starve our children

2. Funding the Baloch insurgency

3. Funding the violence in FATA through its so-called ‘consulates’ in Afghanistan

4. Ethnic violence in Karachi has been stoked by RAW

5. Killing innocent Pakistanis on the Samjhauta Express

I say,we take India to the International Courts of Justice @ The Hague!

Posted by Qasim Awan | Report as abusive

quasin awan
another hatred fed typical pakistani with igniting desire to trash india in to pieces on the line. where is the proof for all your accusations. do you have credible evidence. did you caught every thing on camera and relayed lively to your people. do you caught any one red handed. do you have the transcripts of phone call. do you have the dossier of evidences. if you have all the above then why you have not acted on the same till now.

Posted by venkat | Report as abusive

Nice Article! But is it True…… My first point is that the photo of “Pakistani soldier on guard at the Khyber Pass” is the picture which I have seen as picture of “Hammas militant rocketing in israel”—which picture is true — an intelligent person from the picture can easily identify that its not Pakistani Soldier firstly becasue of his hands, eyes and also background, secondly Pakistani never hide thier faces, have you seen any photo like that….
1) Pakistan has world’s largest WiMAX network
2) Pakistan enjoys all weather in its environment
3) Pakistan has city called “Swoat”, its Snowfall is much better than Switzerlands’
4) Pakistan has the mountainous region, it has K-2, highest peak in the world,
5) Pakistan has Gas, Iron, Minerals and etc. resoviour in different parts
6) Pakistan has chain of five rivers
7) Pakistan has white dolphins
8) Pakistan has best sea shores for surfing and boating
9) Pakistan is the world best in surgical instruments, sports goods and wodden furntiture.
10) Pakistan has more than 5% area covered with natural forest.
11) Pakistan is a nuclear state and self sufficient in many things despite being not so priviledged by world
11) And many more….

All such things in a country called PAKISTAN annoyed india, russia, because only these two countries have problem with PAKISTAN…

So wake up and start thinking positively…
Long live and Prosperous Pakistan.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

There is young democracy in Pakistan now, even having Mr 10 percent as the President is better than a dictator. As Mushraf policies of killing Nwab Bugti and a soldeirs mentality is that gun can solve all as the Indians do in Kashmir.

It does NOT and will NEVER, unless now with the civilian government in place, all provinces have their governors to look after the intrest of their people as well as the intrest of Pakistans above all.

All idiots (indians) who think that Pakistan will allow two states within a state, it will NOT happen at any cost. So take the dream of cutting Pakistan to pieces on the back shelve.

Turn on the reality mode help the newly elected government and inshla soon we can have good relation for the sake of majority in India Pakistan as well as Afghnistan. Imagine having a stable Afghanistan/Pakistan n India all having free trade. Surely this will help all the poor and provide hope to poor n prosperty to the whole region which is in the intest of ALL in South Asia.

May the New Year bring hope for people of South Asia and specificaly the Afghans inshalla!!!

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Pakistan has started its so called antiterrorism campaign against its own created terrorist groups in Khyber Agency blocking the main supply rout to Afghanistan just to get some of the pressure off that Pakistan faces from west and its neighboring countries.

Pakistan is a base for all terrorist groups fighting either in Afghanistan or in India or the entire world.
Pakistan has done almost nothing to dismantle these organizations instead offered a peace talk with terrorist who kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan and in India.
If it wasn’t for 911 USA may have never attacked Taliban and Pakistan would continue supporting the most horrifying terrorist group ever known who were beheading people in public, who deprived girls from school and list goes on…
Pakistan was the first and remained one of the two countries in the whole world to recognized Taliban government.
In November more than 170 people lost their lives in Mumbai, so far India has presented more than enough evidence to Pakistan to link those terrorist to terror groups based in Pakistan but Pakistan is still not doing anything about it,
Yesterday Indian prime Minister Mr. Sign stated that some evidence indicate involvement of Pakistani officials behind the Mumbai attack in November.
Pakistan has and continues creating these terrorist groups to achieve its own political agendas, whether it’s spreading horror in Indian cities or halting any effort to stabilize afghan government.
To get to the conclusion, what are we waiting for?
As long as we ignore the fact that Pakistan is the heaven for terrorist and we don’t do any thing about it, we will never be able to achieve peace in the region and that will cost Afghans, Indians and the whole world a lot of precise lives that could be saved.

Posted by Afghan | Report as abusive

@peace, Ali, Ali 786, Imran, Quasim,

After all the flip flops and denials, it is official, Pakistan has admitted that Kasab is Pakistani.

There will be no nice behavior towards Pakistan, until the Terrorist infrastructure and training camps, ISI and Pak military and “non-state actors” are reigned in and destroyed permanently.

Pakistan is deeply embarassed now. The best thing it can do, is start to capture, kill the terrorists in its own country, or hand over the criminals to India.

India would be foolish to not exert bone crushing diplomacy on the failed Pakistani state. We do not need war with Pakistan.

But Pakistan, you will comply, you will dismantle the Terror Groups, you will dismantle the ISI and jail/capture/ handover to India all known terrorists and criminals and non-state actors and ex-ISI officials fueling and training terrorists.

Oh and by the way, feel free to hand over the notorious ex ISI head, the insidious and evil grand mastermind terrorist architect LT. Gen. Hamid Gul. He has the blood of thousands of Paks and Afghans and Indians on his hands.

Pak can start by handing over Gul to India. Then systematically thrash and destroy the terrorist training camps.

If it does not do this, India should be free to exercise its right to pre-emptive defense.

India cannot live with a neighbour, which refuses to stop the terrorism from it soil.

Oh, by the way, also smash the Saudi financed “Wahabi-Deoband” Madrassas, you may notice a huge drop in suicide bombings in Pakistan.

Have a nice day.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Ali,
It is not clear what your motives are. I hope you don’t think any one is taking you or Pakistan seriously.

Imagine a serial killer who has done 100 murders. One day he declares he is a reformed, good man and every body should take his word and believe him. But he doesn’t admit to any one of the 100 murders.

You are like that serial killer. You haven’t even admiited Pakistanis did Mumbai terrorist attack. Your/Paki credibility has reached new lows post-Mumbai.

Afghan,
You are right on target. The world community is recognizing the Paki menace belatedly.

The World did NOT ask Indians to give evidence?

I think they did, infact the Interpol chief admited that no evidence has been given to Interpol. Isnt that asking for evidence anyway the dossier that has been passed round must a copy of the one that was used to invade Iraq.

My idiots friends soz enemies India is NOT America so dont expect to get the same treatment. You idiots put all your eggs in one basket thinking that USA will pressure Pakistan. They have already done enough anymore they will hurt their own intrest I dont think anyone would harm their intrest to protect indias intrest.

So all you idiots can be rest assured NO1

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

I wish all those idiots – oops indian would have known something of what they are commenting for…. if you really read these comments — they are just elaborating the things which have already been mention the article written by person who also doesn’t know any thing about Baluchistan or Pakistan

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

((Mr. Ali))

Last and first thing that you should have learned from school/home is Manners,
The way you continue a conversation shows how amateur your are.
When you are confronted with different views and opinions, you don’t reply with vulgar language.

As far as Pakistan and terrorism is concern, let me remind you a few things.
There are many terrorist organizations in Pakistan that are supported by ISI and Pakistan’s government to fight India in LOC (line of control) area as well as spreading terror in Indian cities,
Here are some major ones that we all know.

Lashkar-e-taiba,
Hiz-e-mujahiden
Al-badar mujahiden and the list goes on and on,
Pakistani government has recognized them as Kashmiri freedom fighters therefore Pakistan will do nothing to stop them liberating Kashmir from India where in reality they are labeled as most wanted terrorist groups by the USA.

Of course Afghan government of corrupt and does not have enough control outside the capital. Afghanistan has suffered a 35years of war. We are talking about three and a half decades of just war, destruction, poverty and no education. What else could you expect from such a country, to this day we are still proud to be able to fight back our enemies like Pakistan and all other terrorist groups.
Of course Pakistan received millions of afghan refugees but didn’t you know that United Nations was paying a huge lump some in aids to Pakistan government to help the refugees and none of those refugees received those help and it got disappeared within Pakistani government. It was afghan refugees who build you cites, Pakistan’s economy was at its highest when it received all those refugees, forget about all the aid that Pakistan got from US. Next time you chose to argue or participate in discussion, try to read the rules. Don’t get too excited and don’t get too angry because truth has never been sweet.
Truth is bitter.
Pakistan can not see the friendship between India and Afghanistan therefore spreading terrorism between these two countries remain the only objective of Pakistan’s political agenda
Hope this has cleared some of the doubts you may have had about Afghans and this whole war.

Posted by Afghan | Report as abusive

Afghan:

Your ungratefulness to the Pakistani people for the help that they extended to Afghans during the Soviet invasion is really shocking.

It is one of the worst of immoralities to degrade the kindness of others toward you whether on a personal basis or a county-wide basis.

It’s OK to criticise everything else that Pakistanis may do, but their help to you was practically boundless during that time and you should exclude that aspect from your criticism. No,you don’t even have to say thank you, but please don’t abuse them for that.

Posted by Alethia | Report as abusive

((Alethia))

Thanks for being concern about it. Why shall I be thankful?
Looking back in history, the only reason Pakistan helped give shelter for afghan refugees is because of its own interest. Russia would have made to the Persian gulf and that would have been a big disaster to US and would have been an invasion of Pakistan.
Lets not forget that all our neighboring countries had political interest in Afghanistan destruction. I am certainly not here to criticize others based on solely my own opinions but if you look at it in a very broader view than you may understand.
During Taliban invasion of Afghanistan more than 60% of Taliban were from Pakistan that includes ISI agents, rest of the 20% were Arabs and others and only 20 % of them were brain washed Afghans who were poor and didn’t have any other mean to provide food for their children so that had to join Taliban.
Today ask any afghan who lived in Afghanistan during Taliban’s cruel regime and they will tell you the same story.
We, Afghans share our biggest border line with Pakistan and I wish we had a better neighbor.

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Afghan,

“We, Afghans share our biggest border line with Pakistan and I wish we had a better neighbor.”

That reminds me of the Indian Prime Minister’s speech ,
“Unfortunately, we cannot choose our neighbours……” :P

Posted by mitchell | Report as abusive

Today Pakistan stands at the crossroads. The problem is that the previous rulers of Pakistan didn’t have enough vision or direction & made suicidal policies. Today Pakistan is a trully failed state. They dont know what to say, what to do, where to go, and where to settle. None from their neighbourhood is responsible for this situation, but they themselves are. Their hatred for India was so much, that they immediately decided to use the US developed gureillas to become the “non-state actors” to operate in Kashmir, once the Soviets vacated Afghanistan. What Soviet Union did i Afghanistan was totally wrong, but the present situation is the making of Pakistan and its policies. Gen. Zia-ul-Haq started the policy of terrorism against India, after realising that they can’t win a real war with them. All Pakistani Govts. incl. Benazir, supported such activities and let them grow. India on the other hand, channelised their focus and energy on self development and economic progress and captured IT revolution. The result is in front of all of us, where the two countries are–born at the same time.
India and the whole world should leave Pakistan with its own state and should stop thinking of harming them directly. Their state is pathetic, with economy seriously crippling, fundamentalists on the rise, brainy guys leaving the country for better prospects outside & presently having the most fragile Govt. Pakistan ‘s condition is just like the 4th stage Cancer patient, who is destined to die..sooner or later, with his own disease.

Posted by Nuppe | Report as abusive

I still don’t understand one thing, when whole world know that Terrorists / Terrorism are based in Pakistan, their people & Govt. still denies their involvement.
If someone ask the meaning of lies, I think they point to the language what Pakistan speaks.
If someone ask the meaning of a place where Terrorists lives, I think they point to Pakistan.
If someone ask the meaning of raw patriotism, I think they point to people of Pakistan.
If someone ask about the Intelligence Services performing Anti-Intelligence / counter-Intelligence, I think they point to Pakistan
If someone ask about the victims of self destruction, I think they point to Pakistan(victims of their own terrorists).

Finally, if someone whats to break a nation and win a border disputes, I think they will Hire a Pakistan.

Posted by Sam | Report as abusive

I am not going to sit here and call our Afghan friends ‘NAMAK HARAM’ when fully HALF their destitute and bewildered nation once arrived at our doorstep bowl in one hand, hat in the other, to the ONLY place who would take them unselfishly, irrespective of their already existing own meagre resources.

No it was not India. But of course with a full stomach things are know to change. Man, have they ever! Imagine such gratefulness which then starts to aid and abet one’s adversaries, who I HOPE and trust have a better sense and balance of things.

So let me speak to our Indian friends. You know, folks, we are DEFINITELY on the right track here. Let’s continue to put the cart before the horse. Let’s continue to tap dance around the real issue. I have a feeling you know what it is.

Or how is this for an idea? How about we go to the root of our mutual and unfortunate dissent (3 wars!) I think you’re staring to see the picture.

In fact at the risk of sounding like a broken record, and please pardon my borrowing a line from the 1st Clinton run, but it is indeed:

THE KASHMIR PROBLEM STUPID!

The sooner India, the world’s biggest democracy, shakes off it’s positive allergy to SERIOUSLY, fully and finally discussing this ‘explosive’ issue (remember the democratically held UN Kashmiri plebisite?) the sooner the that WHOLE region and by extension, the West can feel safer.

Our courageous Musharraf and his multi one-way unanswered gestures (how unfortunate) may have left the scene, but PLEASE understand this:

Cosmetic and mere lip service CBM’s, stubbornly refusing to include near impatient and ready 3rd party mediators (US PRES. OBAMA being the latest) with the real hope that the issue will somehow be swept under the rug by the passage of time are a waste of both time and money. It’s not going to happen. What do you fear? Peace? Or should we continue to insist on pieces?

HEEEELLLLLOOOOO????

Indian friends, is your government listening?

Posted by N. Javed | Report as abusive

Mr. N JAved
I have read your earlier post, in a different blog, and this one is a plain repetition, word by word of your earlier post . I guess either you are plain stupid or you have nothing better to say, so you are harping on the same old tune.
Kashmir is an issue because Pakistan’s GREED and pervert intentions made it one.
You say Afgans came to your door steps with bowls in their hands!!! I laugh at your false arrogance because for one I know Afgans have high sense of self respect and two your agencies were instrumental in creation of Afgan problem. Your agencies were involved in ravaging their country, rendering them homeless, for the deaths of their men and children and rape of their women. Your agencies were responsible for the rule of fundamentalist forces in Afganistan and your government was the first one to recognize it, which all other ‘civilized’ nations refused to recognize. I am amazed how can you sport that holier than thou attitude. I am amazed that you have the audacity of posting such a comment here when your NSA has admitted of Pakistans involvement in mumbai attacks, and has also been sacked for the same. I am amazed that you have the face to call Afgans ‘beggars’ with bowl in their hands when you are yourself a bankrupt economy living on grants from IMF and USA. You are con man Mr. Javed and I believe you dont have a conscience as well. The root of the problem is not Kashmir, the root of the problem is something else, its the business model that pakistan has built around terrorism. This is the way you have been arm twisting USA for granting you funds to run your economy. But my question is Haram ki kitne din kahoge ??
Jai Hind

Posted by Prithviraj | Report as abusive

Honestly, I haven’t heard a pakistani so far who says he is ashamed his country spawns terrorism. I would be if my country was harming other nations like a coward.

Posted by Richard | Report as abusive

Alethia,

Should Afghan be grateful to pakistan for talibanizing his country and turning his country into a *#*#* hole ? like afghans were being invaded by soviet and suddenly pakistan thought they need to save afghans. soviets invaded in late 70s and when did pak help ? did they really help or just served as feeding channel for US ? did anyone really help afghanistan or just fulfilled their wishes ? I know what your wishful thinking on this would be.

Posted by vivek | Report as abusive

A person busy nursing his wounds will have no time to retaliate.

Posted by cricket | Report as abusive

To Prithviraj:

The root cause of the problem between India and Pakistan is Kashmir, as far as Pakistanis and Kashmiris are concerned.

Regarding Baluchistan, Indians should not get too excited. The mini-insurgency there peaked in 2006, and died out after the deaths of Akbar Bugti and Balach Marri, two india-supported feudals. I expect the Indian govt to keep trying however.

Problem with Pakistan is that only its extremist voice is heard worldwide. The moderates, if they exist, are nowhere to be heard. To an outsider, this is an indication that most Pakistani’s harbor extremists views with religion being their only guiding philosophy.

I read the Pakistani Dawn newspaper a couple of times and realized that Pakistan is India obsessed. They world revolves around what India does, what arms India is buying, how much has the Indian economy performed in 2008, which is the latest Indian movie etc. Have a look at Indian newspapers and they are more global in view with Pakistan having a mention in one section: SAARC or South Asia.

Baluchistan is a problem for Pakistan? Well, are you going to give Baluchistan the same rights as what India has given to Kashmir? But wait a minute… are the Baluchis muslims? Why are they fighting the Punjabi (Pakistan) dominated army? What happened to Jinnah’s 2 nation theory?

I think India should stay away from Baluchistan. Let the extremist brothers fight each other for supremacy. Maximum we should do is circulate the latest Bollywood movies in Pakistan… to let them know, you dont have to suicide bomb to heaven’s pretty girls. They are in India! ;)

Posted by Jerry | Report as abusive

Vivek:

Yes, I believe Pakistan did help the Afghan people in the late 1970′s and 1980′s. So what is the point of dwelling on this question? One either agrees that the Afghan people were helped or not helped.

The question here in this column is Baluchistan of the 2000′s. We have veered from the subject (myself included) so we should give the journalist of this article, Mr Miglani, some respect and either comment or not comment on the subject of his writing.

Posted by Alethia | Report as abusive

Mr. Prithiviraj

Interesting comments below…indeed.

Permit me the luxury of a few days, I will be responding.

Posted by N. Javed | Report as abusive

TO MR. PRITHVIRAJ (sorry about the tardy response – got busy)

Interesting comments, once again.

You know at first, I was loathe to dignify the tone of your aberrant and wayward comments with a response till I decided that some enlightenment, perhaps, was in order. No I am not about to descend down to uncivil standards of return rude, name calling, etc. – not my style, but, if you’re open minded, just some basic front and center facts – nothing too very complicated.

First of, and as an aside, I did find your utility of this lovely language especially in concert with the choice of words used to be almost amusing, sort of comical. And I leave it at that; for this is neither about jest nor a lesson in English. This is about 2 essential topics you’ve chosen to broach – Geography and History.

And before I go any further, I must compliment you on being as observant as you are, for you have correctly pointed out that my message has been seen on other postings – with the same dreaded ‘K’ word. One too many times, you indicate. Right again.

However, the fact of the matter is that after 60+ years of suppression and brutality by 500,000 plus Indian troops, it has not been said often enough. It’s a message that NEEDS to be heard and succinctly so. But, at the end of the day, the question begs asking:

WHY does India keep run away from this subject (3 wars and… counting?) Indeed it is very much a problem. It’s the ROOT of our mutual anguish and dissent. I’ll tell you WHY India keeps stonewalling and evading the subject.

Pain and simple she is scared of the OUTCOME.

1- The outcome if the world’s biggest democracy allows the Kashmiris their democratic right of freedom of choice.
2- And equally repugnant the thought of neutral middle parties ruling once the Kashmiris’ anguish is illuminated to them. India will not let others mediate, NOR is she serious about “resolving it directly with Pakistan” – save some repeat lame duck CBM’s thus loosing a rare and HISTORIC opportunity under our courageous Musharraf who put out one overture after another. How unfortunate.

Does Pakistan want Kashmir? NOOOOOOOOO…… I hope I said that loud enough. If they say they want to join India or just be independent, bravo; all power to them. We’re good with that, JUST AS LONG AS they are given a pressure free forum to choose from. I know you folks did not like the results of the past UN Plebisite either.

I could also not help noting that US President Obama is now on India’s “stay Away” list, post his invoking and correctly recognizing the regional ‘K’ conundrum.

But you see, he’s not the only one.

Here are some other ‘little known’ world leaders who feel likewise:

1- French President Nicolas SARKOZY
2- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
3- US Vice President Joseph Biden
4- British Foreign Secretary David Miliband (India’s latest “don’t return here” fella. I won’t quote him)
5- And a host of other world leaders.

SO, bottom line, you can run from the problem but you cannot hide. And as long as we ARE going to solve it sooner or later, why not today?

Then you mention Afghanistan. What you may not know is that OVER 2 million Afghans are still in Pakistan. We took them in for they are our kith and kin; you may not quite follow that bit, and that’s okay.

But what I was quite amused by was how some of you (not just you) try to trigger incitement within our family. In fact you may just wish to study the meaning of the Urdu/Arabic word FITNA for meaning. And come to think of it, a few years ago, I met a Sikh gentleman (Sikhs have so much in common with us) Seemingly ex-military he complained the burden they are left to carry alone once the real heat turns on during a battle, and the fact that “their real talents lie elsewhere” and I’ll leave it at that. Having said that, it is also my hope and prayer that there be no more wars between us. Pakistan is resolute in it’s desire for peace.

Also lets not get too excited about this temporary estrangement between our family. Islam gives us the generous and built in propensity to unite at a moments notice and be at your throat, if we must. Just because India has erected a few edifices in and around Kabul, does NOT mean that you’re home free. Some 80% of the populace will not think twice before they start re-targeting some idols/statutes they may deem repugnant (that was unfortunate, in fact such acts, Mumbai, 9/11 enjoys neither Muslim nor Pakistani support, and that said unequivocably)

And speaking of Afghanistan, let us not forget where Mahmud Ghaznavi hailed from. As well, you may remember the name Ghauri…. do you Mr. Prithviraj?

So once again, this whole thing can unravel on India in a hurry. Let’s not rest on our temporary laurels just quite yet. All the billions you’re busy pouring around Pakistan can end up in a ditch in a hurry. Keep in mind, Mr. Karzai’s government extends only to the Kabul jurisdiction and outskirts. You may just wish to find out WHO really is running Afghanistan. Once again, the solution is MUCH simpler than India’s made it to be, and much much cheaper! You’re shelling out almost 2 BILLION dollars a year in kashmir annually.

Again, what Mahmud Ghaznavi did to Somnath was a travesty. Dare someone lift a finger at our temples, gurdwara’s or churces, we’ll be at their throat faster than they can say ‘mommy’. Pakistan LOVES it’s diversified family right from the Christians to the Jains.

Having said that, let me hasten to add again that Pakistan and Muslims abhor violence. 9/11 was a anathema of the highest order, an unimaginable event, which is FAR from a prescription to Paradise. Mumbai was equally unfortunate. Fortunately 99.9% of Muslims are moderate, peace loving and law abiding. You’re not going to tell me that other cultures are free of their own kooks are you?? Heard of The Agrun Brigade, Shiv Sehna, Timmothy Mcvey, Adolph Hitler…?? The list is far too long… I think you get the picture. None of them were Muslims.

Then traversing South, you mention Baluchistan. Well, the last I heard, all’s quiet on the Eastern Pakistani domain, and neither do we have 1/2 of our army embroiled in the imbroglio there. RAW, I hate to say it, as busy as they’ve been there for some time now, have not done too good a job at creating a ‘Fitna’ there. Rather than worry about the rock solid union of Pakistan, India may just want to corral and stay cognizant of her own age old dissent in ASSAM, PUNJAB, TAMIL… and a host of smaller insurgencies, literally all over your map. Those are REAL issues and quite different than ours.

So once again, bottom line, India can dance all around the real issue and all over the landscape – OR better yet, how’s this for an idea: There is a straight road to the Kashmiri issue. Let’s meet up there and resolve it once and for all. I can assure you that the peace heard around the world will be almost deafening.

So once again, I hate to say it, but it is

INDEED THE KASHMIR PROBLEM……SILLY

PAKISTAN PAINDABAD!

Posted by N. Javed | Report as abusive

Baluchstan is a province of Pakistan and is recognized the world over. So keep out of Pakistan’s internal affairs.

The Indian agent Akbar Bugti was eliminated in 2006 and since then the mini-insurgency in the province has died out.

Mr. N javed
To your rambling here is my answer ” Ramble On” and I will answer your every point trust me when I say, I will, that means, I can, the point is that do you have the courage to face the truth? I dont think so.

Posted by Prithiraj | Report as abusive

Mr.Javed and Amir ali,

kashmir will never go to pakistan,what I mean,long before that there will be no pakistan..

Posted by abdul from dhaka | Report as abusive