Comments on: Eye on Pakistan’s Baluchistan as violence mounts http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: abdul from dhaka http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-2/#comment-16912 Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:01:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-16912 Mr.Javed and Amir ali,

kashmir will never go to pakistan,what I mean,long before that there will be no pakistan..

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By: Prithiraj http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-2/#comment-12519 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:01:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-12519 Mr. N javed
To your rambling here is my answer ” Ramble On” and I will answer your every point trust me when I say, I will, that means, I can, the point is that do you have the courage to face the truth? I dont think so.

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By: Bangash Khan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-2/#comment-11127 Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:23:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-11127 Baluchstan is a province of Pakistan and is recognized the world over. So keep out of Pakistan’s internal affairs.

The Indian agent Akbar Bugti was eliminated in 2006 and since then the mini-insurgency in the province has died out.

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By: N. Javed http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-2/#comment-11058 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:30:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-11058 TO MR. PRITHVIRAJ (sorry about the tardy response – got busy)

Interesting comments, once again.

You know at first, I was loathe to dignify the tone of your aberrant and wayward comments with a response till I decided that some enlightenment, perhaps, was in order. No I am not about to descend down to uncivil standards of return rude, name calling, etc. – not my style, but, if you’re open minded, just some basic front and center facts – nothing too very complicated.

First of, and as an aside, I did find your utility of this lovely language especially in concert with the choice of words used to be almost amusing, sort of comical. And I leave it at that; for this is neither about jest nor a lesson in English. This is about 2 essential topics you’ve chosen to broach – Geography and History.

And before I go any further, I must compliment you on being as observant as you are, for you have correctly pointed out that my message has been seen on other postings – with the same dreaded ‘K’ word. One too many times, you indicate. Right again.

However, the fact of the matter is that after 60+ years of suppression and brutality by 500,000 plus Indian troops, it has not been said often enough. It’s a message that NEEDS to be heard and succinctly so. But, at the end of the day, the question begs asking:

WHY does India keep run away from this subject (3 wars and… counting?) Indeed it is very much a problem. It’s the ROOT of our mutual anguish and dissent. I’ll tell you WHY India keeps stonewalling and evading the subject.

Pain and simple she is scared of the OUTCOME.

1- The outcome if the world’s biggest democracy allows the Kashmiris their democratic right of freedom of choice.
2- And equally repugnant the thought of neutral middle parties ruling once the Kashmiris’ anguish is illuminated to them. India will not let others mediate, NOR is she serious about “resolving it directly with Pakistan” – save some repeat lame duck CBM’s thus loosing a rare and HISTORIC opportunity under our courageous Musharraf who put out one overture after another. How unfortunate.

Does Pakistan want Kashmir? NOOOOOOOOO…… I hope I said that loud enough. If they say they want to join India or just be independent, bravo; all power to them. We’re good with that, JUST AS LONG AS they are given a pressure free forum to choose from. I know you folks did not like the results of the past UN Plebisite either.

I could also not help noting that US President Obama is now on India’s “stay Away” list, post his invoking and correctly recognizing the regional ‘K’ conundrum.

But you see, he’s not the only one.

Here are some other ‘little known’ world leaders who feel likewise:

1- French President Nicolas SARKOZY
2- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
3- US Vice President Joseph Biden
4- British Foreign Secretary David Miliband (India’s latest “don’t return here” fella. I won’t quote him)
5- And a host of other world leaders.

SO, bottom line, you can run from the problem but you cannot hide. And as long as we ARE going to solve it sooner or later, why not today?

Then you mention Afghanistan. What you may not know is that OVER 2 million Afghans are still in Pakistan. We took them in for they are our kith and kin; you may not quite follow that bit, and that’s okay.

But what I was quite amused by was how some of you (not just you) try to trigger incitement within our family. In fact you may just wish to study the meaning of the Urdu/Arabic word FITNA for meaning. And come to think of it, a few years ago, I met a Sikh gentleman (Sikhs have so much in common with us) Seemingly ex-military he complained the burden they are left to carry alone once the real heat turns on during a battle, and the fact that “their real talents lie elsewhere” and I’ll leave it at that. Having said that, it is also my hope and prayer that there be no more wars between us. Pakistan is resolute in it’s desire for peace.

Also lets not get too excited about this temporary estrangement between our family. Islam gives us the generous and built in propensity to unite at a moments notice and be at your throat, if we must. Just because India has erected a few edifices in and around Kabul, does NOT mean that you’re home free. Some 80% of the populace will not think twice before they start re-targeting some idols/statutes they may deem repugnant (that was unfortunate, in fact such acts, Mumbai, 9/11 enjoys neither Muslim nor Pakistani support, and that said unequivocably)

And speaking of Afghanistan, let us not forget where Mahmud Ghaznavi hailed from. As well, you may remember the name Ghauri…. do you Mr. Prithviraj?

So once again, this whole thing can unravel on India in a hurry. Let’s not rest on our temporary laurels just quite yet. All the billions you’re busy pouring around Pakistan can end up in a ditch in a hurry. Keep in mind, Mr. Karzai’s government extends only to the Kabul jurisdiction and outskirts. You may just wish to find out WHO really is running Afghanistan. Once again, the solution is MUCH simpler than India’s made it to be, and much much cheaper! You’re shelling out almost 2 BILLION dollars a year in kashmir annually.

Again, what Mahmud Ghaznavi did to Somnath was a travesty. Dare someone lift a finger at our temples, gurdwara’s or churces, we’ll be at their throat faster than they can say ‘mommy’. Pakistan LOVES it’s diversified family right from the Christians to the Jains.

Having said that, let me hasten to add again that Pakistan and Muslims abhor violence. 9/11 was a anathema of the highest order, an unimaginable event, which is FAR from a prescription to Paradise. Mumbai was equally unfortunate. Fortunately 99.9% of Muslims are moderate, peace loving and law abiding. You’re not going to tell me that other cultures are free of their own kooks are you?? Heard of The Agrun Brigade, Shiv Sehna, Timmothy Mcvey, Adolph Hitler…?? The list is far too long… I think you get the picture. None of them were Muslims.

Then traversing South, you mention Baluchistan. Well, the last I heard, all’s quiet on the Eastern Pakistani domain, and neither do we have 1/2 of our army embroiled in the imbroglio there. RAW, I hate to say it, as busy as they’ve been there for some time now, have not done too good a job at creating a ‘Fitna’ there. Rather than worry about the rock solid union of Pakistan, India may just want to corral and stay cognizant of her own age old dissent in ASSAM, PUNJAB, TAMIL… and a host of smaller insurgencies, literally all over your map. Those are REAL issues and quite different than ours.

So once again, bottom line, India can dance all around the real issue and all over the landscape – OR better yet, how’s this for an idea: There is a straight road to the Kashmiri issue. Let’s meet up there and resolve it once and for all. I can assure you that the peace heard around the world will be almost deafening.

So once again, I hate to say it, but it is

INDEED THE KASHMIR PROBLEM……SILLY

PAKISTAN PAINDABAD!

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By: N. Javed http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-2/#comment-10458 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:04:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-10458 Mr. Prithiviraj

Interesting comments below…indeed.

Permit me the luxury of a few days, I will be responding.

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By: Alethia http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-2/#comment-10240 Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:40:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-10240 Vivek:

Yes, I believe Pakistan did help the Afghan people in the late 1970’s and 1980’s. So what is the point of dwelling on this question? One either agrees that the Afghan people were helped or not helped.

The question here in this column is Baluchistan of the 2000’s. We have veered from the subject (myself included) so we should give the journalist of this article, Mr Miglani, some respect and either comment or not comment on the subject of his writing.

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By: Jerry http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-1/#comment-10217 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:20:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-10217 Problem with Pakistan is that only its extremist voice is heard worldwide. The moderates, if they exist, are nowhere to be heard. To an outsider, this is an indication that most Pakistani’s harbor extremists views with religion being their only guiding philosophy.

I read the Pakistani Dawn newspaper a couple of times and realized that Pakistan is India obsessed. They world revolves around what India does, what arms India is buying, how much has the Indian economy performed in 2008, which is the latest Indian movie etc. Have a look at Indian newspapers and they are more global in view with Pakistan having a mention in one section: SAARC or South Asia.

Baluchistan is a problem for Pakistan? Well, are you going to give Baluchistan the same rights as what India has given to Kashmir? But wait a minute… are the Baluchis muslims? Why are they fighting the Punjabi (Pakistan) dominated army? What happened to Jinnah’s 2 nation theory?

I think India should stay away from Baluchistan. Let the extremist brothers fight each other for supremacy. Maximum we should do is circulate the latest Bollywood movies in Pakistan… to let them know, you dont have to suicide bomb to heaven’s pretty girls. They are in India! 😉

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-1/#comment-10192 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:05:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-10192 To Prithviraj:

The root cause of the problem between India and Pakistan is Kashmir, as far as Pakistanis and Kashmiris are concerned.

Regarding Baluchistan, Indians should not get too excited. The mini-insurgency there peaked in 2006, and died out after the deaths of Akbar Bugti and Balach Marri, two india-supported feudals. I expect the Indian govt to keep trying however.

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By: cricket http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-1/#comment-10185 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:17:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-10185 A person busy nursing his wounds will have no time to retaliate.

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By: vivek http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/05/eye-on-pakistans-baluchistan-as-violence-mounts/comment-page-1/#comment-10184 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:10:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1441#comment-10184 Alethia,

Should Afghan be grateful to pakistan for talibanizing his country and turning his country into a *#*#* hole ? like afghans were being invaded by soviet and suddenly pakistan thought they need to save afghans. soviets invaded in late 70s and when did pak help ? did they really help or just served as feeding channel for US ? did anyone really help afghanistan or just fulfilled their wishes ? I know what your wishful thinking on this would be.

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