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	<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yousuf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-11651</link>
		<dc:creator>Yousuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highly disgraceful,how a US VP who sends drones to kill our people gets an award. I hang my head in shame as a Pakistani...</description>
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		<title>By: Sikander Hayat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10776</link>
		<dc:creator>Sikander Hayat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Global Watcher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10441</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JUST TO OPEN YOUR EYES:Former British Foreign Secretary: Al Qaeda is Not a Real Group, Just a U.S. Propaganda Campaign.
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook says:The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. Cook has previously written:Al-Qaida, literally “the database”, was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Cook is merely confirming what others have said. Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”.

@Peace,

You sound just like the notorious Hamid Gul.  Hamid Gul came on TV and claimed that all the Terrorism in Pakistan and around the world is all staged by the CIA, and that there is a conspiracy against muslim countries.  It is funny how one sided this man is, then he claims that 911 and MUMBAI were "inside" jobs by MOSSAD, or the CIA or Indian Intelligence.  This mans appetite for blaming others for this problems and blaming others for terrorist attacks on them astounds me.  It is shocking how he, like you Peace is using plausible denial to explain away everything.  He even goes to say that any terrorist attacks anywhere are staged by Western countries to create a reason to attack Islam, even after the perpetrators and all the evidence is given.

Al Qaeda, you can call it whatever you want, to be funny, you can even call this group "Mickey Mouse", whatever you want, I don't care.  The fact is, you are ignoring the thousands killed in Terrorist attacks around the world, let me be quite frank here, the terrorist attacks were not caused by Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Bahai, Shinto (japan), Aboriginals (Aussie), First Nations(North America), Eskimos, Russians, Eastern Orthodox.  If you guessed right, it was the "Mickey Mouse" group.

Let me start with, just to name a few antics of the "Mickey Mouse" Group: (most below with bodycounts over 100)

-1988-Lockerbie Scotland
-1993-World Trade Center - Ramzi Yousef and Friends
-8 Aug 1998: truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania 
-Sept 11, 2001 - 911
-2002 Bali Night Club Bombings (200 dead-tourists)
1-3 Sep 2004: hostage taking at school in Beslan, Russia (includes 30 terrorists killed) (366)
-11 Jul 2006: multiple bombings on commuter trains in Mumbai, India (200)
-11 Mar 2004: bombings of four trains in Madrid, Spain
-2007 just under 500 Pakistanis killed in suicide bombings
-2008 just under 2000 Pakistanis killed in suicide attacks
-2008 Mumbai 188 killed in Mumbai by Pakistani Gunmen
 
I think I should stop now.  These were committed by the Mickey Mouse club.  These men suffer from a collective mental illness, which has been imposed on them by brainwashing.  They feel people not practicing the same ideals as the Mickey Mouse club are not worthy to live.  

The question is, do you suffer from that same mental illness?

Did the rest of the world just imagine all this, did each of those countries just decide to self-inflict these wounds on themselves?

You get your information from on or two sources and deem it to be true.  You ignore the mountain of evidence confiscated from all of the terrorism crime scences, there are telephone records, faxes, emails, laptops, recordings, written notes, wiretaps, books, peoples, names places connecting all the dots....yet you ignore all this and casually dismiss it.

Don't insult those killed and their families by saying Al Qaeda does not exist.  

You wear the hat of shame well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST TO OPEN YOUR EYES:Former British Foreign Secretary: Al Qaeda is Not a Real Group, Just a U.S. Propaganda Campaign.<br />
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook says:The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. Cook has previously written:Al-Qaida, literally “the database”, was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Cook is merely confirming what others have said. Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”.</p>
<p>@Peace,</p>
<p>You sound just like the notorious Hamid Gul.  Hamid Gul came on TV and claimed that all the Terrorism in Pakistan and around the world is all staged by the CIA, and that there is a conspiracy against muslim countries.  It is funny how one sided this man is, then he claims that 911 and MUMBAI were &#8220;inside&#8221; jobs by MOSSAD, or the CIA or Indian Intelligence.  This mans appetite for blaming others for this problems and blaming others for terrorist attacks on them astounds me.  It is shocking how he, like you Peace is using plausible denial to explain away everything.  He even goes to say that any terrorist attacks anywhere are staged by Western countries to create a reason to attack Islam, even after the perpetrators and all the evidence is given.</p>
<p>Al Qaeda, you can call it whatever you want, to be funny, you can even call this group &#8220;Mickey Mouse&#8221;, whatever you want, I don&#8217;t care.  The fact is, you are ignoring the thousands killed in Terrorist attacks around the world, let me be quite frank here, the terrorist attacks were not caused by Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Bahai, Shinto (japan), Aboriginals (Aussie), First Nations(North America), Eskimos, Russians, Eastern Orthodox.  If you guessed right, it was the &#8220;Mickey Mouse&#8221; group.</p>
<p>Let me start with, just to name a few antics of the &#8220;Mickey Mouse&#8221; Group: (most below with bodycounts over 100)</p>
<p>-1988-Lockerbie Scotland<br />
-1993-World Trade Center - Ramzi Yousef and Friends<br />
-8 Aug 1998: truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania<br />
-Sept 11, 2001 - 911<br />
-2002 Bali Night Club Bombings (200 dead-tourists)<br />
1-3 Sep 2004: hostage taking at school in Beslan, Russia (includes 30 terrorists killed) (366)<br />
-11 Jul 2006: multiple bombings on commuter trains in Mumbai, India (200)<br />
-11 Mar 2004: bombings of four trains in Madrid, Spain<br />
-2007 just under 500 Pakistanis killed in suicide bombings<br />
-2008 just under 2000 Pakistanis killed in suicide attacks<br />
-2008 Mumbai 188 killed in Mumbai by Pakistani Gunmen</p>
<p>I think I should stop now.  These were committed by the Mickey Mouse club.  These men suffer from a collective mental illness, which has been imposed on them by brainwashing.  They feel people not practicing the same ideals as the Mickey Mouse club are not worthy to live.  </p>
<p>The question is, do you suffer from that same mental illness?</p>
<p>Did the rest of the world just imagine all this, did each of those countries just decide to self-inflict these wounds on themselves?</p>
<p>You get your information from on or two sources and deem it to be true.  You ignore the mountain of evidence confiscated from all of the terrorism crime scences, there are telephone records, faxes, emails, laptops, recordings, written notes, wiretaps, books, peoples, names places connecting all the dots&#8230;.yet you ignore all this and casually dismiss it.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t insult those killed and their families by saying Al Qaeda does not exist.  </p>
<p>You wear the hat of shame well.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10427</link>
		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JUST TO OPEN YOUR EYES:Former British Foreign Secretary: Al Qaeda is Not a Real Group, Just a U.S. Propaganda Campaign.
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook says:The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. Cook has previously written:Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Cook is merely confirming what others have said. Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST TO OPEN YOUR EYES:Former British Foreign Secretary: Al Qaeda is Not a Real Group, Just a U.S. Propaganda Campaign.<br />
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook says:The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the &#8216;devil&#8217; only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. Cook has previously written:Al-Qaida, literally &#8220;the database&#8221;, was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Cook is merely confirming what others have said. Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is &#8220;a mythical historical narrative&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: venkat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10424</link>
		<dc:creator>venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear pakistanis

pak has conferred highest pakistan award to a vice president elect of a country which is attaking the pak with its drones. highly shame. for what the award. is it for money or is it for the support they render to fulfull your wishes of dismantaling india or for that matter all big south asian economies. this means you can do any thing for money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear pakistanis</p>
<p>pak has conferred highest pakistan award to a vice president elect of a country which is attaking the pak with its drones. highly shame. for what the award. is it for money or is it for the support they render to fulfull your wishes of dismantaling india or for that matter all big south asian economies. this means you can do any thing for money</p>
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		<title>By: Global Watcher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10412</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evidence is on the streets of Pakistan everyday, everytime you pass by the madrassas, just listen to the hate being manufactured there.  Do I need to come over there and show you that too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence is on the streets of Pakistan everyday, everytime you pass by the madrassas, just listen to the hate being manufactured there.  Do I need to come over there and show you that too?</p>
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		<title>By: Global Watcher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10411</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peace,

It appears as though the media in Pakistan and even you suffer from an extreme case of selective amnesia, when it comes to historical facts and your understanding of events is many times quite contrary to what the rest of the civilized world deems to be true.

You still did not admit that your country is guilt of training terrorists.  Your notorius and insidious General Hamid Gul is one of the grand master terrorist architects of the Pakistani Terrorism domestically and especially abroad.

I still don't know how this man is walking free in Pakistan.  It baffles me.

Your friends the Americans even have been handling you with kid gloves and the entire buzz in Washington with Barack Obama is faced at Pakistan's terrorism factory problem, it is actually becoming the entire world's problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peace,</p>
<p>It appears as though the media in Pakistan and even you suffer from an extreme case of selective amnesia, when it comes to historical facts and your understanding of events is many times quite contrary to what the rest of the civilized world deems to be true.</p>
<p>You still did not admit that your country is guilt of training terrorists.  Your notorius and insidious General Hamid Gul is one of the grand master terrorist architects of the Pakistani Terrorism domestically and especially abroad.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t know how this man is walking free in Pakistan.  It baffles me.</p>
<p>Your friends the Americans even have been handling you with kid gloves and the entire buzz in Washington with Barack Obama is faced at Pakistan&#8217;s terrorism factory problem, it is actually becoming the entire world&#8217;s problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10396</link>
		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Global watcher, as someone commented that instead of watching the globe you should watch KASHMIR, GUJRAT etc. My suggestion to you is to open your eyes and mind if exised. Where exist the denial from PAKISTAN, give us evidences and then see what we'll do. Further, let suppose, if india has provided its (fabricated) evidences then for what reason mukherji is going USA to beg its safety from PAKISTAN. Pakistan, if you know, is a great country. The miracle of Pakistan is that since independence india is trying to eleminate Pakistan, consider as being the biggest threat to them, but so far we have survived and survived well above india and even the country is small but it has defeated the country with 1/6th population of world.
So beat-it, start thinking positively and show your intelligence, if any</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Global watcher, as someone commented that instead of watching the globe you should watch KASHMIR, GUJRAT etc. My suggestion to you is to open your eyes and mind if exised. Where exist the denial from PAKISTAN, give us evidences and then see what we&#8217;ll do. Further, let suppose, if india has provided its (fabricated) evidences then for what reason mukherji is going USA to beg its safety from PAKISTAN. Pakistan, if you know, is a great country. The miracle of Pakistan is that since independence india is trying to eleminate Pakistan, consider as being the biggest threat to them, but so far we have survived and survived well above india and even the country is small but it has defeated the country with 1/6th population of world.<br />
So beat-it, start thinking positively and show your intelligence, if any</p>
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		<title>By: Anup</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10382</link>
		<dc:creator>Anup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Om
---Obama threatened to stop aid(read alms) to Pakistan, &#38; yes the blackmailing always works for Pakistan, they are Pros in the game...that's precisely the reason why America is restraining India from retaliating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om<br />
&#8212;Obama threatened to stop aid(read alms) to Pakistan, &amp; yes the blackmailing always works for Pakistan, they are Pros in the game&#8230;that&#8217;s precisely the reason why America is restraining India from retaliating.</p>
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		<title>By: Om</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/09/biden-in-pakistan-wheres-the-baseline/#comment-10371</link>
		<dc:creator>Om</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anup, I think the situations are different now when compared to time of soviets V/s afgan. then taliban/pakistan has steady funds and arms provided by US to run the show.. will not be the case if americans think they are being black mailed..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anup, I think the situations are different now when compared to time of soviets V/s afgan. then taliban/pakistan has steady funds and arms provided by US to run the show.. will not be the case if americans think they are being black mailed..</p>
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