Pakistan and its nuclear weapons loom large over Obama administration

January 11, 2009

Pakistan and its nuclear weapons are back in the centre  of the U.S. foreign policy frame as a steady stream of reports from think tanks and newspapers build the case for President-elect Barack Obama to recognise and act urgently with regard to the potential threat from the troubled state.

The New York Times Magazine in an extensive article  headlined Obama’s Worst Pakistan Nighmare says the biggest fear is not Islamist militants taking control of the border regions. It’s what happens if the country’s nuclear arsenal falls into the wrong hands. And it then takes a trip to the Chaklala garrison where the headquarters of Strategic Plans Division, the branch of the Pakistani government charged with protecting its growing arsenal of nuclear weapons, are located and led  by Khalid Kidwai, a former army general.

“In the second nuclear age, what happens or fails to happen in Kidwai’s modest compound may prove far  more likely to save or lose an American city than the billions of dollars the United States spends each year  maintaining a nuclear arsenal that will almost certainly never be used, or the thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars we have spent in Iraq and Afghanistan  to close down sanctuaries for terrorists,” writes David E. Sanger, author of a forthcoming book: “The Inheritance: The World Obama Confronts and the Challenges to American Power”.

The article quotes a Bush administration official as saying there were two ways Pakistan’s weapons could fall into the wrong hands. One was when the Pakistani military was moving its tactical weapons closer to the frontlines when it could be much more vulnerable to seizure by militants. A time of heightened tensions with India, as is the situation now following the attacks in Mumbai, would be a top reason for Pakistan to begin moving its weapons.  Could that be one of the objectives of the Mumbai attacks, the New York Times asks.

A second route for al Qaeda would be to infiltrate Pakistan’s nuclear labs, put in sleeper cells and then squirrel away the material.

“It is relatively easy to teach Kidwai’s security personnel how to lock down warheads and store them separately from trigger devices and missiles, training that the United  States has conducted, largely in secret, at a cost of almost $100 million.”

“”It is a lot harder for the Americans to keep track of nuclear material being produced inside laboratories,  where it is easier for the Pakistanis to underreport how much nuclear material has been produced, how much is in storage or how much might be ‘stuck in the pipes’ during the laborious enrichment process.” And it would be nearly impossible to stop engineers from walking out the door with the knowledge of how to produce fuel and bomb designs.

Last month, the blue-ribbon Commission on Prevention of  Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism submitted its report, with its members making clear that for sheer scariness nothing could compete with what they heard in a series of top-level intelligence about the risk of Pakistan’s nuclear technology going awry.

“Were one to map terrorism and weapons of mass destruction today, all roads would intersect in Pakistan. It has nuclear weapons and a history of unstable governments, and parts of its territory are currently a safe haven for al Qaeda and other terrorists,”  the commission said. It added that it had singled out Pakistan because it believed it constituted a serious challenge to America’s short-term and medium-term security.

“Pakistan is an ally, but there is a grave danger it could also be an unwitting source of a terrorist attack on the United States — possibly with weapons of mass destruction,” it said, adding it must top the list of priorities for the next President and Congress.

Does this steady drumbeat of reports in the days leading up to Obama’s inauguration foreshadow an even more activist, muscular policy toward Pakistan? Reading through these reports -  there is another by Shuja Nawaz  urging the new administration to declare Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas as part of America’s Afghan war theatre because it is the most dangerous spot on earth -  you would think the India-Pakistan tensions of the past month are a sideshow.

For all of New Delhi’s fulminations against Pakistan and the sense of outrage over the Mumbai attacks,  the pressure it can bring to bear on its troubled neighbour is limited compared with America’s.

But is this all justified or is there a bit of hype here? 

The New York Times article quotes Kidwai, the former general with the keys to the nuclear arsenal, as saying that its security systems were foolproof. “Please grant to Pakistan that if we can make nuclear weapons, we can also make them safe,” he says.

And as he points out, should the United States really be giving  lectures on nuclear safety when the U.S. Air Force lost track of some of its own weapons in 2007 for 36 hours, flying them around unguarded to air bases and leaving them by the side of the tarmac?

Or how can you be so sure about U.S. intelligence establishment reports about Pakistan’s arsenal being at risk, when it was so wrong about Iraq’s nuclear weapons?

[Reuters Photos of Pakistan's nuclear test site of Chagai, nuclear capable Ra a'd missile and nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan]

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Pakistan detonated first nuclear device back in 1998, since then have equipped the F-16s to carry a nuclear warhead. Also, have developed advanced missile systems to carry nuclear weapons and delivery systems. The Stategic Plans Division headed by Gen(R) Khalid Kidwai is a thoroughly professional organization and ensures Pakistan’s strategic weapons are safe and ready to be used if Pakistan’s soverignity and territorial integrity is threatened. The world should have no fears about Pakistan’s ability to develop and maintain nuclear weapons and keep them away from unauthorized access and usage. Pakistan is a responsible member of international community and onus is on the US and China and other allies to provide Pakistan with civilian nuclear technology also for the beneficial uses.

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http://dailyme.com/story/200812280000294 4/

“Obama’s Veteran Terrorism Adviser Ex-CIA Analyst Sees Pakistan As Biggest Problem Facing U.S.
International Herald Tribune”
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Change is coming to Washington.

The biggest problem facing humanity is not Palestine problem or genocide in Darfur (not to dismiss their sufferings) but Pakistan problem.

In the next several weeks FBI, Scotland Yard and Indian intelligence agencies will completely reveal details about who planned and executed the Mumbai terrorist attack. The news is not good for Pakistan army on the PR front, because there is very little Pakistan army can do in terms of counter-propaganda. Credibility of Pakistan army has sunken to new lows, no one takes them in the international community takes them seriously.

While China didn’t mind supporting Pakistan and Pakistan army to give trouble to India, China has also reached a dead end after Mumbai. Besides, the risk-benefit analysis for China in its Pakistan policy is going very unfavorably against Pakistan. i.e. less use, more trouble.

Recent Mumbai terrorist attacks could not have been executed with out the involvement of Paksitani army and ISI. It was a sophisticated commando style operation, which required American Navy SEAL type of commando training, provided by Pakistani Navy.

So here you have a country with nuclear weapons, launching a terrorist attack on a neighboring country. The world is at a different place after Mumbai. Pakistan army is not/ has not been a genuine fighter against terrorism.

Pakistan would like to have Taliban take over Afghanistan. Pakistan army is the sustainer of the global jihadi terror.

America has shed precious blood of its soldiers and has given away billions of tax dollars to Pakistan for very little. All because Pakistan has been double dealing the US and international community.

Pakistan army has miscalculated on Mumbai. It is going to be a turning point.

The so called civilian govt in pakistan do not have any control on nukes there..Khalid kidwai do not report to any govt but only kayani. Now kayani master minds all terror activities out of pakistan, simply means nukes are already in hands of terrorists..

The very thought that the US is incisiting on North Korea and Iran to stop producing Nuclear weapons but has left pakistan which proliferated technology to these countries without any sensible action makes one think. US is doing it on purpose so that India would buy more defense gadgets from US and that should would give multiple gains to US to keep India close enough as a key pawn in Asian region and also will be able to sell more toys. Afterall US is a legendery war-profiteer country.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

Reuters has its own sense of humor. Why is AQ Khan shown in his bed? Is he in his deathbed?

I see at least copule of jokes in this article.

“What happens if the country’s nuclear arsenal falls into the wrong hands”

hmmm. I SAY WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT HANDS NOW.

“Please grant to Pakistan that if we can make nuclear weapons, we can also make them safe,” he says.

hmm. I SAY YOU MADE THEM? HOW ABOUT “MAKING”THEM THROUGH INDUSTRIAL THEFT.

Pakistan has everyright to be Nuclear Power as any other nation and even should have access to civilian use of nuclear technlogy as country is in shorthage of energy. It will be soon available with the help of China anyway.

Now when your neighbour has waged war on you more then 3 times in the brief history of both countries India/Pakistan. Pakistan nuclear is only for deterent and defensive purpose thats it unless India forces Pakistan to use it if it attacks Pakistan again.

Now to the USA who are they to teach other soverign nations how to protect Nuclear Weapons. Check your record the only country ever to use it and to add to that…. “should the United States really be giving lectures on nuclear safety when the U.S. Air Force lost track of some of its own weapons in 2007 for 36 hours, flying them around unguarded to air bases and leaving them by the side of the tarmac?”.

Thank you for all the offers, but I think the world should be concentrating on Israel. A ruthless nation which has trespassed every UN law on civil rights.Human rights and the only country to have nuclear weapons in the middle east. Why NOT start with having a nuclear free middle east and eventualy world without nuclear weapons.

Why not have No Weapons of mass destruction at all and we ll start with USA getting rid of few.

Just grow up, Pakistan is safe and in safe hands also will be. Its only idiots soz indians that have all the anti Pakistan properganda and they will never succeed in their hollow missions just carry on barking out untrustworhty neighours!

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Johnny wrote:
“. The news is not good for Pakistan army on the PR front, because there is very little Pakistan army can do in terms of counter-propaganda. Credibility of Pakistan army has sunken to new lows, no one takes them in the international community takes them seriously. ”
Johnny I can only laugh to death at your comment, its funny silly and non-sense. The professionalism of Pakistan Army shows when it contributes highest number of troops (10,000+) to UN peacekeeping missions across the world. Pakistan Army is a fighting force not a corporate firm worried of its PR image. It does have an institution by the name of ISPR(Inter services Public Relations) which issues press releases etc to keep people informed of latest news etc.
The world gives a damn about Mumbai attack, it was India’s security failure. The Satyam computer scandal and corruption, the Mumbai attack are a blot on India’s reputation. India’s image is touching a new low in the world, its reputation is sunken to a new low. The international business comunity’s confidence is shaken. Now Indians should forget about foreign investment and tourism. Pakistan is the emerging regional power in the region with its increased strategic and geographic importance.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

This articles features a pic of the AQ Khan who was accused of Nuclear proliferation (Later proved). If ISI or pakistan army was involved in letting him do this, what is the credibility of pakistan army. At one time even politicians were banned to come in Khan research labs for the very obvious reasons.

The hatred spread by al quaida and pakistan, in the name of islam will not end ever and pakistan is the only country which can allow access of nukes to terrorists. If terrorist nuke some big city, weapons will definately bear the “Made in pakistan” mark. Will pakistan sing the song of “Where is the evidence ?” again. Probably yes they will.

Thats what west of fearing of. They want to capture the nukes before this happens. Pakis are so irresponsible that on every war issue with India they start reciting their nuclear capability. This is what even Soviets and Americans havn’t done in cold war.

And on “should the United States really be giving lectures on nuclear safety when the U.S. Air Force lost track of some of its own weapons in 2007 for 36 hours, flying them around unguarded to air bases and leaving them by the side of the tarmac?”. We know this because somebody admitted this error. On the contrary pakistan is always in state of denial. We dont know how many errors of such magnitude had occured in Pakistan coz, terrorists and army are sides of same coin.

Vivek — Your indian dilectory tactics can only fools idiots sorry indians. Not anyone else so carry on barking to win your case and if you carry on pointing fingers then we will push the finger only after we manage to strap a nuke up your bum too.

Pakistan is a victim of terrorism, india has only had a taste of what has been hapening in Pakistan over the last few years. Imagine if India was on the recieving end of all those blasts that occured in Pakistan surley the indians would be knocking on every door as they are now like headless chickens.

What I want to ask all these idiots is a simple question?

What are you going to do about it? NOTHING, You impotent Indians grow up!

So whats the point in barking like a mad indian dog? I dont see any point. The only way India can find security is by working with all its neighbour on equal terms NOT as a bully. Have joint working anti terrorism mechanism in place which helps both infact all countries in SA to bring these stateless, cowards, terrorist to justice or even to the gallows.

I hope we will get bit more positive n logical arguments from idians but I dont expect much because not only they are idiots but they are simple war mongers just like the terrorist!!!

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Ali, Umair:
Can you throw some light on according to you guys what the rest of the world thinks about Pakistan?

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

I don’t know why India is getting dragged in this discussion. (overlooking the aspect of the standard of language used here)
The question is how safe Pakistani nuclear weapon are? One commenter suggested that the nuclear weapon are to protect its sovereignty and territorial integrity. The point is that the current threat is not external but internal. With so many brainwashed jihadis running around in and outside the establishments i think its a matter of time before the nuclear assets fall in the lap of jihadis unless the world either neutralize or take control of the Pakistani nuclear assets.
Pakistan\’s past poor record of nuclear proliferation only adds to the risk. Still no one is able to question AQ khan about nuclear proliferation and the protection he is provided by the establishment makes the whole episode very sinister.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

Ali
I think i pressed your sesitive nerve, thats why you are calling me a dog and a barking one, But remember world is calling pak a terrorist state which is worse than a dog. Dogs dont kill people they guard them instead.

What I am speaking is truth. What are you going to do now. Sack me like your National security advisor or what ?

I also believe that pakistan is a victim of terrorism because of the simple fact that they have created it and still practicing it. Now when frankastien monster is knocking your own doors you are crying that you are calling everybody for help.

You adopted terrorism as a state policy in early 80′s as khalistan movement. No matter what you are going to do, you reap only what you sow. Starting a proxy war is the cheapest war against any country. It is a tactics adopted by your state after surrender of your coward 93000 army in bangladesh.

If you think you can counter terrorism of your own or jointly why do you allow US drone attacks. Why cant YOU root out the terrorist. Why your so called charitable bodies get banned and bear a terrorist label. I know you dont have any answers to this. Dont bother to give any.

You dont see any point in this open forum of discussion because either you are madrass educated idiot who can strap a bomb and blow himself for the sake of 72 virgins and a heaven or you want to be in state of denial as your govt is in since ever.

India is doing right thing, war at diplomatic front which will disintegrate pakistan again and this time without the use of power as we did last time.

You dont even have any capability to safeguards your nukes, if yes why US is spending a hefty sum of 100 million on you for training on how to safeguard your nuclear weapons. Another question but dont bother to reply.

Did you see the video linked in my name. Well you may be uneducated for this let me tell you, Click on my name !

chirkut
India is dragged into this because this weapon was created for nuking India. Did I say created >> sorry I should have said Smuggled, Stolen and Prolifirated

Without considering India this discussion will not be completed.

India is the only country which pakistan sees as an enemy, from rest of the world they beg money.

Posted by Vivek | Report as abusive

Vivek —

How can I take a idiot seriously? A idiot never admits he is one and defends himself as you are lol.

Now to the point of the World, which world where there are clear double standards look what is hapenning in Gaza? Where is the civilised world? When Russians attacked Georgia the world was up in arms so go and tell the bedtime story to some else.

To all the Idiots and the World if Pakistan can make Nuclear Weapons surley we know how to protect them too.

All you idiots instead of being war mongers, go and join your security services and protect your borders and civilians before another bunch of kids take your military mice soz might hostage and take your saris off lol.

You are wrong about india the only enemy we see all those as our enemies who harm the intrest of Pakistan. Be it RAW, MOSSAD, CIA but even all of them together No match for the Mighty ISI.

Idiots carry on day dreaming!!!

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Vivek —

By the way I wasnt calling you a barking dog….infact I was calling all you idiots barking dogs so plz get the Facts right. lol

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

ALI —-
So you did not take me serioulsy ?
Then calling people dogs and idiots is a norm in your country and must be taught in your madrassa.

1. If the world is double standard, they may be wrong on afganistan too, why are you fighting “WITH” this double standard world in “War on terror” ?

2. If you think world is double standard why do your leaders to to UN and IMF with a begging bowl ?

3. If pakistan was able to protect its Nuclear Weapons why did you accept 100 Milling USD against training for safeguarding nukes ?

4. Pakistan has been always a war mongeror, you engaged India three times excluding Kargil, even today you speak of war when asked to act against terrorists, so Who is a war mongeror ?

5. I speak of reality, and reality is that we separated bangladesh from you in 1971, day dreaming is 72 virgins and a heaven, did prophet tell you if they were males or females ?

As always I dont expect any answers coz you don’t have them.

Cheers !

Ali:

How do you know english? Is their a course of english in Madrassas with special emphasis on word “idiot”? A question for you if you can reply. Who is responsible for killing of Benazir? I hope you won’t say RAW, Mossad..

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Nick:

Please dont ask any logical questions from him.

On “Who killed Benazir ?”
He is so ignorant of the facts that he can answer your question with another question “Is ‘HE’ killed ??”

Posted by Vivek | Report as abusive

US was foolish enough to spend 100m$ to teach pakistan on how to safegaurd nukes..it would have been a simple solution to pay half of that money to some terrorists in there to find and blow them all up right there in pakistan..

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

^^^
hey Indians up there…no need to get personal about our religion ISLAM….stop creating war hype and let us live peacefully…..we dont complain about your RAW in our backyard.
Why are you all so worked up just because we have a bomb….we flew a couple of jets and your PM simply broke down saying you never wanted war whereas we all know what you guys were doing before that.
You can fool the west but dont try to fool us…We’ve known each other for centuries….If you guys play in our country why do you start crying foul if we play in yours…lets be fair ok.
We want peace but if you want surgical strikes then we might end up doing some big time surgery so cool down.
Once again please dont make fun of ISLAM.

Posted by khan | Report as abusive

Vivek:

I still have hopes from Ali and Umair to say something logical.

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Pakistani nukes are a real concern for the entire world. The “state” of Pakistan has to be held together until the cilivized world can secure the nukes.

Pakistan is a failing state on the verge of collapse.

ECONOMIC FAILURE: Pakistan is bankrupt. Even all the loans from IMF, World Bank, Paris Club, London Club, overt and covert aid from US, and repeated refinancing of the debt have not worked.

MILITARY FAILURE: 4 wars have been lost by Pakistan. Bangladesh was freed in 4 days. The military is demoralized and cannot even control its own territory.

SOCIAL FAILURE: the miserable poverty and exploitation and treatment of women and minorities within Pakistan is shocking. The Honor killings and treatment of women is unacceptable.

POLITICAL FAILURE: The military coups, suspension of constitutional law, murders of Bhuttos (father and daughter) reveal no evidence of a modern political culture or democracy.

EDUCATIONAL FAILURE: The lack of modern schools and scientific education shows no potential for Pakistan to develop economically or politically in the future. The madrassas are where terrorists are openly bred.

CULTURAL FAILURE: A nation that looks the other way as terrorists and murders are being trained openly is morally bankrupt. Every Pakistani knows whats been going on in their country, and one must assume they approve of the violence in their heart.

It won’t take much for Pakistan to fragment into 4 ethnically based states – Sindhi, Punjabi, Baluchi, and Pashtun. Continued economic and military aid from US and Britain is delaying the inevitable.

Posted by Clearthinking | Report as abusive

Hi Johnny

“The biggest problem facing humanity is not Palestine problem or genocide in Darfur (not to dismiss their sufferings) but Pakistan problem”.

I think the biggest problem facing humanity interms of what is killing most of them per year is tobacco. ie 435,000 deaths per year in USA is due to tobbaco. The second biggest killer in USA is 365,000 deaths due to poor food and third largest killer is 85,000 per annuam alchochol. Terrorism killed 3000 civilians and 2500 americans troops over last 7 years. So a ignorant person with no clue about what really is killing humanity in america would come here and share their view here on this respected website is a disgrade. Go back research and then come and lecture about what are the biggest problem facing humanity.
Secondly, for Vivek and other indian jingoists, for the indians, I think your biggest enemy is your own government and not pakistan or china. Your Government serves corrupt officials, makes inefficient decisions like making 3,300 dams but the crops these dams irrigates produce food which in storage depots is mostly eaten by rats.
Pakistan nukes are no unsafe then india. I will once again question the intellegence or lack of it on all sides.
India needs to uphold UN resolution on Kashmir as they have dirty collars of their own.

Posted by Zia | Report as abusive

Hi Nick
The assisination of Benazir does not have a person responsible.

It could have been anyone, so for you come here and be sure that RAW or mossad is not involved is like claiming god exists. ie something which does not have evidence.

We can all speculate, plus for you to label anyone with a muslim name to be from a madrassa is just racist, ignorant and bigotry.

Posted by Zia | Report as abusive

Hi Vivek
I want to answer your questions.

Question one from Indian great mind -Vivek
1. If the world is double standard, they may be wrong on afganistan too, why are you fighting “WITH” this double standard world in “War on terror” ?

Answer: The war on terror is a war on error. There were no nukes in iraq it was an error.
The afhgan fighters were created by USA in the 80s to fight the soviets.
There is double standard because in the 80s these afghans were freedom fighters and good guys and now they are not. Though they are the same people.

2. If you think world is double standard why do your leaders to to UN and IMF with a begging bowl ?

Answer: The IMF is an instrument of global capitalism and even USA now needs to carry a begging bowl so that is again a double standard for muslim countries.

3. If pakistan was able to protect its Nuclear Weapons why did you accept 100 Milling USD against training for safeguarding nukes ?

Answer: USA has had nukes since the second world war, they are more experienced nuke power and experience can help pakis, i think you should feel safer that they took that training.

4. Pakistan has been always a war mongeror, you engaged India three times excluding Kargil, even today you speak of war when asked to act against terrorists, so Who is a war mongeror ?

Answer: No, India has not upheld UN resolution for Kashmir and has started unfair political game. The resentment in Pak has the eruption of wars. It was indian who exploded the nukes first against Gandhi non-violence stances. So its indian who is a war monger by develping nukes first and then testing them to intimidate its neighbours.

5. I speak of reality, and reality is that we separated bangladesh from you in 1971, day dreaming is 72 virgins and a heaven, did prophet tell you if they were males or females ?

Answer: Bangladesh was seperated from pak due to exploitation of bangladesh in terms of taxation without any representation. Indian moved in after millions of refugees went to India.
That Indian help was not very sincere as Indian has diverted the river ganges by making so many dams on it that millions of bangalis have died as a result due to lack of water and food in the villages.
So you saved Bangladesh and then killed many more through making dams on ganges.

Posted by zia | Report as abusive

I think ignorance is a bigger problem for India then pakistan’s nukes.
400 million indians are below poverty lines, and millions die due to lack of food, due to inefficiency of their government. To divert the attention of its inefficiencies the indian government makes pakistan as the biggest threat to the indians. The truth is the the biggest threat to indian is its own corrupt, inefficient and incompetent government.

Posted by Zia | Report as abusive

Zia:
“The truth is the the biggest threat to indian is its own corrupt, inefficient and incompetent government”

Are you saying that Pak government better than Indian govt?

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Hi Nick
I am saying what you can read, that the biggest threat to indian is its own inefficient , incompetent, and corrupt government.
I suggest you read the nobel prize winning indian author Arunthadi Roy’s book the algebra of infinite justice.
She argues the above in a very logical manner.

Now, to answer your new question, is the pak government better then indian government.
I think Pak, Bangladesh, Indian governments are equally corrupt, inefficient, incompetent, however because india has a population of about 1.1 billion, the shortcoming of their government affect millions more people and the disasters are of large scale.
Anyone with a research (ie Arundhati Roy) can expose this.

Posted by Zia | Report as abusive

Pakistan is, as always, a responsible country and after equipped its self with nukes it become more skeptic over the controls and safeguards of its strategic assets.
On the other hand, recently there was so much aggregation among indian politics when indian made to sign on nuke treaty to get aid from USA -”it was all aired on national and internation news channel”.
Since mumbai incident, india and its people start barking on Pakistan and providing false evidences about involvement of Pakistan, whether state or non-state actors. Yesterday indian news channel “NDTV” showed the items recovered from boats supposedly used by so-called terrorist, in all items there was mention that “Made in Pakistan”, to my amaze they showes one pistol where it is written “Daimond.Made in Peshawar” What a funny story and they want world to believe that. Let suppose that mumbai attack was not planned by india, then do you expect such highly trained, professional and killing machines to do such things that they bring things which were all marked as “Made in Pakistan”.
What is really happening? – for india it is the right time to get away from Pakistan, the strongest and the only threat to india, not only in armed infrastructure but also in economic terms, Obama will soon start taking decision, so before he could learn about indian politics, india will go to him and beg for safety from Pakistan. Obama, being gentlemen, will have soft corner if india could prove that Pakistan is supporting terrorist activities. But india forgets that success lies only in truth and truth is that PAKISTAN is a peace loving, and a responsible country and it can safe-guard its asset without any help.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Hi Vivek
I want to answer your questions.

Question one from Indian great mind -Vivek
1. If the world is double standard, they may be wrong on afganistan too, why are you fighting “WITH” this double standard world in “War on terror” ?

Your Answer: The war on terror is a war on error. There were no nukes in iraq it was an error.
The afhgan fighters were created by USA in the 80s to fight the soviets.
There is double standard because in the 80s these afghans were freedom fighters and good guys and now they are not. Though they are the same people.

My Comment : My question is still there why Pak is fighting in so called “War on Error”

2. If you think world is double standard why do your leaders to to UN and IMF with a begging bowl ?

Answer: The IMF is an instrument of global capitalism and even USA now needs to carry a begging bowl so that is again a double standard for muslim countries.

My Comment: Ideology of IMF is against ISLAM and as you said double standard too. “Rebbah ka Nizam” is religiously wrong according to holy Kuran, so leave US alone, why Pakistan is begging money from them.

3. If pakistan was able to protect its Nuclear Weapons why did you accept 100 Milling USD against training for safeguarding nukes ?

Answer: USA has had nukes since the second world war, they are more experienced nuke power and experience can help pakis, i think you should feel safer that they took that training.

My Comment: Thats what I am saying Pakistan’s Nukes are not completely safe, thats why USA has to spend money. USA spend money for safety of nukes in Pakistan not in Russia , China or India. And who knows if they are still safe or not.

4. Pakistan has been always a war mongeror, you engaged India three times excluding Kargil, even today you speak of war when asked to act against terrorists, so Who is a war mongeror ?

Answer: No, India has not upheld UN resolution for Kashmir and has started unfair political game. The resentment in Pak has the eruption of wars. It was indian who exploded the nukes first against Gandhi non-violence stances. So its indian who is a war monger by develping nukes first and then testing them to intimidate its neighbours.

My Comment: Kashmir was a Riyasat (Princely state) which wanted an independent status at the time of birth of Pak and India. But pakistan attacked on Kashmir to capture it, Maharaja of Kashmir asked help from india which could only help if Kashmir was a part of India. Some people saw it a blackmail but Maharaja signed Kasmhir to be marged with India. These Documents are still with India but Pakistan say they are fake just like every evidence of terrorism india has provided. India has a open nuclear policy thats no first use. We made the bomb for our security. Its was Bhutto who said that “We will make the nuclear bomb even if we have to eat grass” and after eating grass for 11 years they made a nuclear weapon. So you know whos bomb is for whom.
5. I speak of reality, and reality is that we separated bangladesh from you in 1971, day dreaming is 72 virgins and a heaven, did prophet tell you if they were males or females ?

Answer: Bangladesh was seperated from pak due to exploitation of bangladesh in terms of taxation without any representation. Indian moved in after millions of refugees went to India.
That Indian help was not very sincere as Indian has diverted the river ganges by making so many dams on it that millions of bangalis have died as a result due to lack of water and food in the villages.
So you saved Bangladesh and then killed many more through making dams on ganges.

My Comment: You can’t divert a river by making a dam, yes you can lower the flow of water or say regulate it. But India has never violated any treaty on water with Bangladesh or anybody.

Hi Zia

PLEASE READ MY COMMENTS ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR ANSWERS

1. If the world is double standard, they may be wrong on afganistan too, why are you fighting “WITH” this double standard world in “War on terror” ?

Your Answer: The war on terror is a war on error. There were no nukes in iraq it was an error.
The afhgan fighters were created by USA in the 80s to fight the soviets.
There is double standard because in the 80s these afghans were freedom fighters and good guys and now they are not. Though they are the same people.

My Comment : My question is still there why Pak is fighting in so called “War on Error”

2. If you think world is double standard why do your leaders to to UN and IMF with a begging bowl ?

Answer: The IMF is an instrument of global capitalism and even USA now needs to carry a begging bowl so that is again a double standard for muslim countries.

My Comment: Ideology of IMF is against ISLAM and as you said double standard too. “Rebbah ka Nizam” is religiously wrong according to holy Kuran, so leave US alone, why Pakistan is begging money from them.

3. If pakistan was able to protect its Nuclear Weapons why did you accept 100 Milling USD against training for safeguarding nukes ?

Answer: USA has had nukes since the second world war, they are more experienced nuke power and experience can help pakis, i think you should feel safer that they took that training.

My Comment: Thats what I am saying Pakistan’s Nukes are not completely safe, thats why USA has to spend money. USA spend money for safety of nukes in Pakistan not in Russia , China or India. And who knows if they are still safe or not.

4. Pakistan has been always a war mongeror, you engaged India three times excluding Kargil, even today you speak of war when asked to act against terrorists, so Who is a war mongeror ?

Answer: No, India has not upheld UN resolution for Kashmir and has started unfair political game. The resentment in Pak has the eruption of wars. It was indian who exploded the nukes first against Gandhi non-violence stances. So its indian who is a war monger by develping nukes first and then testing them to intimidate its neighbours.

My Comment: Kashmir was a Riyasat (Princely state) which wanted an independent status at the time of birth of Pak and India. But pakistan attacked on Kashmir to capture it, Maharaja of Kashmir asked help from india which could only help if Kashmir was a part of India. Some people saw it a blackmail but Maharaja signed Kasmhir to be marged with India. These Documents are still with India but Pakistan say they are fake just like every evidence of terrorism india has provided. India has a open nuclear policy thats no first use. We made the bomb for our security. Its was Bhutto who said that “We will make the nuclear bomb even if we have to eat grass” and after eating grass for 11 years they made a nuclear weapon. So you know whos bomb is for whom.

5. I speak of reality, and reality is that we separated bangladesh from you in 1971, day dreaming is 72 virgins and a heaven, did prophet tell you if they were males or females ?

Answer: Bangladesh was seperated from pak due to exploitation of bangladesh in terms of taxation without any representation. Indian moved in after millions of refugees went to India.
That Indian help was not very sincere as Indian has diverted the river ganges by making so many dams on it that millions of bangalis have died as a result due to lack of water and food in the villages.
So you saved Bangladesh and then killed many more through making dams on ganges.

My Comment: You can’t divert a river by making a dam, yes you can lower the flow of water or say regulate it. But India has never violated any treaty on water with Bangladesh or anybody. And for the records Bangladesh could not be made without the help of india.

Thanks

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Vivek – Why are you begging Zia to read your comments, its k i l tell brother Zia he will, dont need to beg its ok. But you cant help yourself can you it in your blood to beg lol?

Now your last commment about “War On Error”. OK so which RSA hindu fanatic school did you go to?. At least I admit I went to madrasah and proud of it too, not like some people.

This “War On Error” I think you are referring to the error your father error which he made long time ago and still to this day he is paying for his mistake in the form of his beloved son Vivek. By the way hope your father had a succesful claim against the Durex company lol, or is it still going through?

When I call you Idiot I always apologise right after it but I realy mean Indian. I know it touches you indian nerve so I like calling you idiot and your comments back that up. Now to the Doggy aah dont be upset and I only say that because thats all you do bark can NOT even have put a decent comment. All I read is Idiots just going bezzerk thats NOT what humans do only DOGS do that so you have NOT left me any choice but call you that. How would this sound Vivek Kuttia or even chuttia! lol

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Consider this in mind: “Pakistani establishment does not have control over its land”. How difficult would it for someone to take establish control over its nuclear weapons? Very easy! Reason being that most Pakistanis are fundamentalists driven by religion as their primary driver in life. For them, every non-muslim is a KAFIR, following the wrong religion, having no right to exist since they do not follow the will of their god. Check up videos on youtube – Al Jazeera English on the Pakistani army’s fight in Bajaur/FATA. A lieutenant, when injured, states that he is fighting the war for his country… then corrects himself to say its for his religion. When the state and the religion are not seperate, it is not possible to seperate the extremists from government machinery; the same machinery that controls its nuclear weapons.

Posted by Jerry | Report as abusive

I dont think it was a bright idea for US to spend 100m$ to teach pakis how to keep the nukes safe..all they had to do was pay half of the money to one of the terrorist group there to find and blow all nukes right there in pakistan.

Posted by Om | Report as abusive

Jerry– please grow up a little mentally, two different things not controling some part of the land to controling nuclear weapons. You are comoparing NWFP with nuclear weapons how illogical is that.

All the terrorists who commited 9/11 were saudis does that mean saudi dont control all of their land? The terrorist who blow up buses in London were from Leeds does that mean that UK Governments does not control Leeds or any part within its boundary. The answer is simple they are stateless actors who will do anything to commit terrorist acts to hurt innocent people. They dont have a religion because no religion teaches to kill fellow human being in cold blood.

They are brainwashed and they see what is happening in Gaza and this a a perfect properganda for some sick mullah to brainwash kids. Till their is no real justice in the world we will see individuals taking law into their own hands and commiting crimes.

I wonder since all the 9/11 were saudis why havt they bombed saudi, or since the bombers also were from leeds why didnt they bomb leeds? Sorry not everyone is saudi is Not a terrorist just like in Leeds and just like in Pakistan certain areas.

Yes we have a problem and we are fighting the war with action. We have sacrificed more then any other country in this war. So to all who think this country is gona collpase and this. Dont worry we have been hearing analysts saying the country will break up etc etc by the grace if God Pakistan is tere to stay so stop day dreaming Jerry n Nick all the reasy of the idiots.

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

om ja puri lol…

Pakistan in NOT india where few bunch of kids can take the whole country hostage. We know how to make weapons and protect them. Since the indians seem to have all the security problems it would be more logical to give the indians a little training how to safeguard there nukes.

Om if you want to do your country a favour go n join the coward security services surely they need mental people like you. Surely you’ll be an assett to yur services yeh my foot lol.

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

“ALI”

I agree with you on certain things, I know we have had some very interesting discussions about terrorism and my understanding remains the same that partially Pakistan is the reason for the terrorist activities in Afghanistan, whether its cross border suicide attacks or terrorist training camps in tribal areas of Pakistan or even if its ISI and Pakistan government supporting these groups financially and morally to carry out attacks in Afghanistan.

As far as Pakistan’s Nuclear in concern, Pakistan has a full capability to keep its Nukes safe and secure.
It would be foolish to say that Pakistan’s military power is weak and unable to protect its nukes and last that I wanted to mention is that, lets not forget that some of the games are being played by the US to cut Pakistan’s nuke since it’s the only Muslim country being a nuclear power.

Posted by Afghan | Report as abusive

ALI –

Why are you freaking out man, did I called you “Porki” or your country “Porkistan”

Well I dont have to everybody know what pakistan is.

You don’t read zia’s answers completely or probably you dont know english, its your friend zia who is saying its a “War on error” instead of “War on terror”. Sorry Zia, come on tell this guy what you said in your own language, he dont have any clue whats going on around him.

ALI– You are posting idiotic comments on website of the most prestigious news agency. You dont have a single logical answer. Are you uneducated or madrassa educated For me both are same anyways.

Your country and its people have lost the dignity and honour, anybody can do absolutely anything with your and throw some money your face. You allow americans to bomb you everyday in lieu of money. Why dont you go to your famous heera mandi (Diamond market) in lahore and sell openly whatever you have. The women of heera mandi are better than you and your leaders, at least they do everything openly and admit it too.

Your leaders are corrupt even your ISI is so incompetent that you cant investigate for killing of banazir (Yes “SHE” is killed if you dont know yet). Why are you rushing to UN for banazir killing investigations ??

You have lost half of your country to fundamentalist and you are still in state of denial. Its just matter of time when your nukes will be in hands of terrorists, or probably they already are.

So save your energy it will be needed when you blow yourself up along with your 4 beards in the name of jihad or whatever it is. Boiling over on internet is not gonna help you buddy.

And at last its RSS not RSA and they dont run fanatic madrassa as you guys have. We have a proper education system not like you where you dont go furthur than alaf and bay.

Posted by Vivek | Report as abusive

Pakistan had started marketing it’s Chinese Nukes, but the irony is that no Muslim Nation trusted it’s capabilities 7 refused to take the bait…hence Pakistan Nuke Bazaar closed shop…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Ali:
Mind your language against people of India. You represent a country on this blog, so be careful. Can you participate in this forum like other people? Zia is a good example.

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

“ALI”

I thought my advice may help you in your future endeavors lol.

When you’re confronted in a discussion or argument, (up to you how to name it) have the guts to listen the opposite side as well. Using a vulgar language in such an open discussion forum indicates the level of your intelligent.
Except you and only you no one else thinks the way you do so you will always be confronted with different views and opinions.
Some will be harsh while others may sounds reasonable. Vivek or Anup or any one else like them will say their side of the story, that doesn’t mean you take it to an idiotic level.
I have explained this to you in the past and I don’t know how you will learn.

Posted by Afghan | Report as abusive

Who told this “Pakistan is the emerging regional power in the region with its increased strategic and geographic importance.”

I think there were some grammar + typo mistakes… I would like to correct it as below
“Pakistan is the emerging regional power <> in the region with its increased strategic and geographic importance <.

Now coming to the nukes, yikes…are they still alive there or just we are listening to hisss.
Come on guys… One who provides also knows to destroy.
How about US providing some personal funds just as they did to Mr Musrraf.
a) To Zardari with some beautiful American figures?
b) To Gilani
c) To Kayani
Where would the nukes go, probably Ali, Umair, Zia will have on their terraces mounting to kites to fly across border.
Doesn’t this sound funny and stupid? if you have thought yes, they you’re….

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive

“Pakistan is an emerging regional power “of terrorism” in the region with its increased strategic and geographic importance to terrorists”

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive

Firstly Vivek keep your unwanted advise to yourself you need it more then me! I have already answred your question in regards to my education yes I was educated in Peshawar in a Madrasah. As you were by the RSS and thanks for correcting me. By the way you are welcome in Peshawar but enter at your own risk and please dont have any of those red dots on your head lol.

If you are saying why havnt we got to the bottom of Bhutto’s murder? There will be a UN investigation which will satisfy all parties within Pakistan. I guess it is up the current government what course of action they would like to take in order the bring people who were behind it to justice. Since she was a PPP leader they are in power and that up to them.

Now to the “War on Error” I have read what Zia said but just like the indians like to maipulate anything they get hold of. So I have used it just to touch your indian nerve and guess what it got to you. Vivek you make me laugh honestly you think you are a shakespeare but the reality is you are khatri and will stay one. (Not untouchable are you?lol)

Now to my afghan friend or indian behind the name of afghan I know its in their nature to hide behind others and fire shots lol. Typicaly indian mentality and if you are a afghani I would like to tell you keep your advise to yourself too

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Nick answer to your quuestion it could be anyone I dont know I ma not the head of a agency who is carrying out the investigation.

But she was the leader of PPP and they are in power so it is up to them how they get to the bottom of it. There is a talk of UN should carry out the investigation as it would be satisfactory to all parties within Pakistan.

Personally I think it is Mr Zardari, why? Well whos else has gained most out of assasination of Bhutto. Till she was around he could have never dreamt of being a president but that is my PERSONAL suggestion. But who knows till a proper investigation takes place which is already overdue but that is our internal matter.

You just worry about catching the indian cowards who raped, burned, torched and slaughtred innocent indian Muslims in Gujrat. Then talk to me till that good luck by the just a hint the people on whos order this was carried out are probobly sitting the Indian parliment.

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Afghan any comments on your puppet regime installed in Kabul now? That Karzai who lived in Quetta before he was installed by the West and now has so much to say of Pakistanis? I guess thats how afghans pay back hospitality lol>?

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

I dont represent any country I am NOT on anyones pay roll unlike some people. So Nick pease carry on commenting instead of giving me advise personaly think you need a lot to learn.

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Pakistan is, as always, a responsible country and after equipped its self with nukes it become more skeptic over the controls and safeguards of its strategic assets.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Latest, The banned terrorist organization JuD is under new name and took part in protests against Isreal.
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/world/-/106 8/513252/-/sej7fh/-/
Can you see those black flags? That’s it.
So my dear, you first try to implement the latest UNSC, and then talk about India’s UN on Kashmir.

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive

“But she was the leader of PPP and they are in power so it is up to them how they get to the bottom of it. There is a talk of UN should carry out the investigation as it would be satisfactory to all parties within Pakistan.”
– Ali

Well all the of her assassination was washed-off, so where is the bottom of it?? Do you think UN will come and dig?
Are you indirectly telling us that your ISI and other khuffi agenciyaan is not capable of doing Investigations?
Now your Govt. already got a good answer from Indians that they Don’t believe your claims or Investigations.

More worst part was your Govt. even don’t know what is called evidence and information, “the whole dossier is informative but do not have any evidence” :P is this what your Govt. had to say?

Jan 20th The Change is coming… and Mr. 10% is on this way to collect it.
Pray for hopefully his plane safely lands in Airport and your Mr. Kayani will not follow footprints of Mr. Ex-President.

Posted by Indian | Report as abusive

Here is a video about A.Q Khan, biggest known source of Nuclear proliferation

Copy paste the link below or click on my name

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLKWctpk r0

Thanks

Hi Vivek
My Comment : My question is still there why Pak is fighting in so called “War on Error”

Answer: Pak is fighting the war on error on pressure from its ally USA and to protect itself and india. Dont you think india would be safer coz of this.

Qestion 2: My Comment: Ideology of IMF is against ISLAM and as you said double standard too. “Rebbah ka Nizam” is religiously wrong according to holy Kuran, so leave US alone, why Pakistan is begging money from them.

Answer: Ideology of IMF is not against Islam.
IMF is dominated by US due to its funding and serves capitalist interests.
Pak is begging money to do US’s dirty work for them.
Why should third world country intiate wars if it needs to feed the poor first.
400 million below poverty line in india, i think which ever way war on error goes, their bellies are not filled by indian incomptent governments.

Qestion3:My Comment: Thats what I am saying Pakistan’s Nukes are not completely safe, thats why USA has to spend money. USA spend money for safety of nukes in Pakistan not in Russia , China or India. And who knows if they are still safe or not.

Answer: Since US trained the pakis and not indians, i have a feeling that indian nukes are more unsafe.
I mean indian could not even prevent Bhobal with 16000 gas leak deaths what do you expect from a complicated nuke facility. I be more worried about india.
India has never gotten its people any training on what to do in a nuke attack, it seems the govt wants them to die. same for pak.

Question4:
Answer: you completely ignore the UN resolution, selective memory.

Question5:My Comment: You can’t divert a river by making a dam, yes you can lower the flow of water or say regulate it. But India has never violated any treaty on water with Bangladesh or anybody.

Answer: The fact is India made dam on ganges and diverted water away in 1975/1977. This was done until now. In 1996 a water treaty was made after 20 years of unfairness to Bangladesh. This treaty cannot bring back the food shortages and deaths that lack of water for irrigation causes for Bangladesh.

Posted by Zia | Report as abusive

Ali:
You are getting better and little bit logical. Thanks.

Keep it up.

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Why U.B.is unable to extradict Pakistani Nuclear Scientist Mr A.Q.Khan on charges of nuclear prolifination? Instead the USA helping the Pak regim both militarily and finacialy while the latter refuse to handover Mr. Khan.Is USA really serious about War against Terror?

Posted by SUBHASH | Report as abusive

JUST TO OPEN YOUR EYES:Former British Foreign Secretary: Al Qaeda is Not a Real Group, Just a U.S. Propaganda Campaign.
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook says:The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. Cook has previously written:Al-Qaida, literally “the database”, was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Cook is merely confirming what others have said. Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

http://voanews.com/english/2009-01-13-vo a23.cfm

and the C-U-R-R-E-N-T British Foreign Secy says:

“But he says the attacks clearly had links to the banned Islamic militant group, the Laskhar-e-Taiba, which is based in Pakistan, and called on Islamabad to root out the group, also known as LET”

Obama should use bone crushing presure to remove Pakistan’s nukes.

The IMF loan guarantee should include de-nuclearization of Pak. Any U.S. assistance of any kind should include denuclearization as a condition. Finally, China should be boycotted if it does not support denuclearization of Pakistan. We should quit buying Chinese goods, as China is supporting a now terrorist state.

China need not fear India, India is not going to attack China for any reason whatso ever and China need not fear some defenceless bald men in orange robes who pray all day.

If India can form an economic Pact with China, they can be unstoppable with regards to stability and security in the world and Pakistan can be leveraged very heavily to disarm.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

This is what Churchill said about palestine and other colonised people, in 1937.

“I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have
lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that
right. I do not admit for instance that a great wrong
has been done to the red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place”.

Posted by zia | Report as abusive

If the world is afraid of Pakistan’s Atomic weapons falling into wrong hands then it should work to make Pakistan storng. India’s hatered for Pakistan and it’s desire to waken it should not interfear with the tremendous job Pakistan is doing to make this world a safer place.

Posted by Mo | Report as abusive

@Nick,
as a true idiot you have proved yourself, only extracted the lines which can be used with multiple meaning… however, what is before “but”, also extract that and show the world what he actually say about indian wranglerism in Kashmir, Gujrat, R&AW involvement in Karachi roits and also don’t forget to mention the lines in which he says “India should put evidences on table”.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

@Victor,
as a true idiot you have proved yourself, only extracted the lines which can be used with multiple meaning… however, what is before “but”, also extract that and show the world what he actually say about indian wranglerism in Kashmir, Gujrat, R&AW involvement in Karachi roits and also don’t forget to mention the lines in which he says “India should put evidences on table”.

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Zia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority _complex
—”Superiority complex refers to a subconscious neurotic mechanism of compensation developed by the individual as a result of feelings of inferiority.[1] The feelings of inferiority in this specific complex are often brought on by real or perceived social rejection. The term was coined by Alfred Adler (February 7, 1870 – May 28, 1937), as part of his School of Individual psychology.”

—Churchill during his younger days in India had developed an inferiority complex…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Why U.S.is unable to extradict Pakistani Nuclear Scientist Mr A.Q.Khan on charges of nuclear prolifination? Instead the USA helping the Pak regim both militarily and finacialy while the latter refuse to handover Mr. Khan.Is USA really serious about War against Terror?

Posted by Vicky | Report as abusive

I have migrated to USA from Pakistan.I read the comments of Mr.Subhash and Mr. Vicky.After coming out of Pakistan ,now I can freely say that any peace loving person can agree with these coments,”Why U.S.is unable to extradict Pakistani Nuclear Scientist Mr A.Q.Khan on charges of nuclear prolifination? Instead the USA is helping the Pak regim both militarily and finacialy while the latter refuse to handover Mr. Khan.Is USA really serious about War against Terror?”Will the new US administration remove this impression?

Posted by RESHMA | Report as abusive

a chill goes down my spine every time i think of a nuke landing into d hands of islamic terrorists! i don think d terrorists will travel al d way to USA to blow up. but will attack d closer “Infedel” india.. as u know india is country with a billion population.. if any kind of nuke goes off in india then millions of lives will be lost!!!!
USA which has some leverage in pakistan should come forward n fix d problem!!!!( take out or force pakistan to roll back its nuclear arsenal! )

Posted by anoop | Report as abusive

The NYT article is, alas, a sad and inaccurate piece of flashy journalese.

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“Just past a small traffic circle, a tan stone gateway is manned by a lone, bored-looking guard loosely holding a rusting rifle. The gateway marks the entry to Chaklala Garrison, an old British cantonment from the days when officers of the Raj escaped the heat of Delhi for the cooler hills on the approaches to Afghanistan.”

This is just so absurd that I can’t rebut it without laughing.

Chaklala, which I know well (I was there last in November 2008, calling at Joint Staff HQ, and have four friends who live in the entirely separate housing complexes, of which there are many; see below), is a well-guarded, large military base.

Did Mr Sanger inspect the “rusting” rifle? How did he know it was “rusting”. I tell you directly that no soldier in the Pakistan army has a rusty rifle. That is cheap, nasty and silly journalese at its most risible depths. It’s straight out of Evelyn Waugh’s ‘Scoop’. Funny as a parody; but pathetic and insulting as reportage.

The “officers of the Raj” didn’t go anywhere near Chaklala to escape the heat of Delhi. This is such an ignorant and absurd statement that it destroys the entire article. “The cooler hills” ? What hills in Chaklala? The highest point is some 250 feet above sea level (look at the map). And when Delhi is hot, Chaklala (a suburb of Rawalpindi, in the plains) is hot, too.

There are many serving and retired officers married quarters (MQs) at Chaklala, and certainly there are gateways into the main areas. Pity Mr Sanger doesn’t know them all. How could he, of course? And the MQs aren’t anywhere near the office complexes. Further, there are several areas called “Chaklala” (including the Pakistan Air Force base). And I tell you this, flatly : Sanger may have got to an office in which LtGen Kidwai was present, but that wasn’t General Kidwai’s office.

Thereafter the article goes downhill.

There is little fact and much hinting about nuclear matters, based on what General Kidwai may (or may not) have said to this amateur reporter. I know Kidwai, and I tell you this : he doesn’t tell anyone anything of importance.

Mind you, “the gleaming silver device, which is meant to spin at terrifying speed” is pretty good tabloid stuff. But do you think it’s really New York Times’ standard? Gleaming, spinning and terrifying?

This might be acceptable journalism for downmarket garbage dailies such as the Daily Express and the Sun in the UK. One doesn’t, however, expect this sort of tawdry nonsense in the New York Times.

But of course one has to remember that the NYT carried rubbish from a reporter called Judith Miller . . .

Posted by Brian Cloughley | Report as abusive

The threat of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons falling into the hands of Islamic jiahdis are very real, the smug dismissal of such concerns by propagandists on their payroll notwithstanding!!!

Mr. Khan, one may recall, spent a good 15 years trafficking in nuclear secrets with Lybia, North Korea, Iran and, perhaps, al Qaeda, before confessing his guilt in early 2004.

Lashkar-e-Taiba ,the jihadist wing of the ISI has A.Q. Khan, has close links to A.Q Khan.

Large sections of Pak army establishment are sympathetic to jihad and suppport terrorism. The threat of nuclear jihad from Pakistan is very real.

The whole world knew the pakistan as a democratic country ,more an islamic country, and most specific a terrorist sanctuary. A series of histories , which can be reeled to many films and volumes of books for its unstable political policy and politics.Aswell a real threatener for the lives of people in world inparticular asia claiming itself as a decent ,democratic and good administrated country. Country is famous for histories old and new ones which go on created . even a good educated person is elected for top post , he/she will be war-craftic crying for wars n nuclear weapons. Surely the pakistan cannot defend its own territory for terrorists strike aswell engaging terror activities including training,raising more,weapon smuggle etc etc etc..how can it would defend its nuclear weapons. From the dramas of A .q khan nuclear network its well known for its nuclear sale and nuclear trafficking, its possible for the pakistanis to do anything destructful..from the kargil war everyone could learn that they use the terrorists n islamic jihadis as a shield wich no country will do..Snakes were raised by these people n they knew that it will one day bite them……Even british pm quoted that all of attacks in u.k has a pakistani background..
surely someone must do something constructive before it is too late….An appeal to pakistan: dear pakistanis we are not ur enemys..we are a brotherly nation tore into two for ur goodness,a seperate islamic nation.Allah tells not to kill people..dont do that being a islamic nation,raising terrors to kill innocent people.nearly half the people kiled in mumbai strike were islamic guys…everyone know that next to malaysia , india hosts world second largest islamic population.dont this kind of acts……if u wanna develop really like india,concentrate on education n uplifting people rather than funding n raising terrors….Indians were not people of revenging n attacking humankind except theres a need for it.dnt create it….first try to bring the army ,navy n airforce under the control of senior ruler of country rather than acting as a seperate agencies.military toppling pm goveernment,captures ,self rules,agin conducts a polls,self elects itself.put an end to dictatorship…the army major is under senior citizen or ruler.thats a decratic style………im stressing this becoz many army generalss took over the charge,coz of inefficient laws.make a stricter law..bring the country to developed path.leaving arms n nuclear race…….put end to terrorism

Posted by Rizwan Ahamed | Report as abusive

The US ‘War on Terror’ is turning out as a ‘War on Pakistani Nukes’. US terms Pakistan as its important ally in ‘War on terror’ but it does not trust Pakistan and it has good reasons for doing so (9/11). Currently the US stance on Pakistani nukes is soft because Washington is pre-occupied with the transition process but once Mr.Obama steps in he will definitely intensify his campaign against the Pakistani nukes. No matter how much US spends on training Pakistani authorities Obama will never sleep peacefully until he gets rid of Pakistani nukes . US’s primary objective ‘in disguise’ is getting rid of Pakistani nukes. No matter how much the US broadcasts its concern over Taliban or Al-Qaeda these terrorist groups are secondary objective when it comes down to Pakistani nukes.

Posted by Pritash Chaudry | Report as abusive

Dont worry Mr VICKY. Wait for ISI to catch hold of you. It is better not to come out of your home. You are now on the top list.

Posted by Zair | Report as abusive

Pakistan is known state harbouring trrorists.The rawmaterial for this comes from notion of Jehad.The poor youth of Pakistan who are also devote muslims take to terrorism quite naturally.They quite efficiently handled all kinds of weapons in Mumbai attacks.In their conversation ,latter intercepted by inteligence agencies, it was revealed that their masters in Pakistan were urging them to avoid where possible hurting muslims during their attack.With the same ease they are capable of taking nuclear weapons and use them against non mulims.The entire world must unitedly take action to remove the nuclear weapons in Pakistan as they may fall in the hands of these jehadi terrorists.

Posted by Carolin | Report as abusive

Pakistan’s nuclear assets and delivery system are permanent. The New York Times should reconcile itself to it.

Bhutto made all pakistanis to eat grass for 11 years to develop nuclear weapon, and now USA is talking about snatching the bomb from them.

Poor Pakistan.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

@punjabiyaar,
“Bhutto made all pakistanis to eat grass for 11 years to develop nuclear weapon…”
– And now a foreign sheep on the way to gaze them…. :-)

@Zair,
Can you please send Hamid Gul… I guess Vicky would be more interested to welcome him.

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@Blogger
I am ready to welcome you as well.
Pakistan Zindabad…….

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Zair

—Pasha developed cold feet when Manmohan Singh ‘commanded’ he be sent to India…

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Here is what Mr. Zair has to say on my comments to extradictMr Khan.
“Dont worry Mr VICKY. Wait for ISI to catch hold of you. It is better not to come out of your home. You are now on the top list.

- Posted by Zair ”
If we have to believe him perhaps Paki ISI or jehadis may have reached here in USA to undertake their nefarious actvities.

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To get more information about developments in Pakistan and in the region, please visit

http://www.real-politique.blogspot.com

The british empire created the palestine problem and the kashmir problems. Sadly, after hundred years of indian occupation a exit strategy from India was a disaster.
The re-maping of arab world by the british empire has its discontents.
May be Britain could take a more involved role in resolving issues humanly rather than rubber stamping religion based foreign policies of american governments.

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Zia,
Wake up. Indian republic is only 62 years old. How does the Kashmir issue 100 years old?
And who told you that india is exiting out of Kashmir?

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No problem Vicky. Perhaps USA is to far to be operated but you r in our next door. So u seems to be freezing hearing about that. Ha ha. Ur propaganda is getting wider popularity. Keep it up.

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Chirkut
I think you need to read sentences properly (may be the call centre is busy today).

So read again I think I am talking about how partition of india/pakistan if better handled could not created the Kashmir problem by the british.
So I am saying it was the british who were masters of indians for hundred years, and when they exited they divided the country in an illogical manner. There was bias towards Nehru and hence a bias partition which till today has problems.

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Zia,
Call center or not, atleast i am not begging IMF and other nations for aid.

I accept that i mistook your comment. Having said that, India made a mockery of british when she decided to remain secular. Since then a lot has changed, there are more muslims in India than in Pakistan and then there is Bangladesh. So no longer Pakistan can call herself sole representative of muslims of indian subcontinent.

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Death to India. Death to India. Death to India

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Hi Chirkut
You are factually wrong and your opinion based on wrong facts is thus a waste of time.
Firstly, muslims in india number 154 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_In dia

The muslim population of pakistan is $173 million. Read the full article before you speak again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic s_of_Pakistan

So please research before you say anything, otherwise you are talking non-sense.

For Zair, there is no need to day death to india, I am pakistani i dont want harm to indians.

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Perhaps some Indians don’t know that India still takes aid from the international community.

RE: Pakistan Now or Never (Nuclear Weapons):
Before we put silly scenarios about Pakistani Engineers walking with material & designs, lets dig our own backyard and analyze the following “Attacks” on our own soil:

1- Anthrax Attack by Bruce Ivins, a microbiologist at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland,US. 2001

2-ALMOST “Nuclear Attack”:: A US Air Force B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several US states last week (Sept. 2007), prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander, Pentagon officials.
“Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible,” said Markey, D-Mass., co-chair of the House task force on nonproliferation. (violating US nuclear weapons handling policies that stretch back nearly 40 years)

3-Cyber Attack by Rajendrasinh B. Makwana, 35, of Glen Allen, Va. (citizen of India), designed to destroy all the data on the Fannie Mae’s 4,000 computer servers nationwide, according to federal prosecutors. 2009

4-he Oklahoma City bombing was a domestic terrorist attack on April 19, 1995 aimed at the U.S. government in which the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, an office complex in downtown Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was bombed. The attack claimed 168 lives and left over 800 people injured. Until the September 11, 2001 attacks, it was the deadliest act of terrorism on U.S. soil. (by 26-year-old Timothy McVeigh)

I hope you get the point !

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The danger to the world of Pakistani nuclear bombs is ratcheted up by the day. The terrorists, including the al Queda are getting ever closer to their quarry, (they are already in Swat) and once attained, these are not for use in the MAD balance of power of the cold war years. They are intended to be used against western powers, primarily, though it will land in Mumbai as well, and other such “enemy” ports. But the primary targets remain the US, the UK, Europe and other countries.

So in the interest of national security, and since there is not much time to spare, an alliance should be established in order to remove Pakistan’s nuclear bombs, its delivery sytstems, its rogue scientists for hire, and its ISI, its terrorist groups, and help this country build its economy. Please do not wait till a nuclear armed container ship slips into a western port. The name Pakistan may be “romantic”, but the al Queda and the LeT are not. Wake up people!

Posted by Narine Singh | Report as abusive

look any body, every non muslim states like to destroy the nukeds oa pak, so its clear nobody is our frend.
2nd. every nation non muslim knos pak respect saudia snd saudia to pak. they do’t like.
3rd pakistan nukes and missiles are very effective and coorect positions which india hv’t so they all try to decontroll pakistan army isi and people as physchological pressure. we should not take any pressure listen from one ear and out from another.

by.

haseeb / 00971507256801

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what is the structured agenda for at Washington between us and pak in the ensuing week

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what is the agenda for talks at washington dc between USA & PAK IN the ensuing week?

what role could ba assigned to gen parvez kayani in organising the agenda for talks ?

if the US pak civilian nuclear agreement comes through what willl be its security implication within PAK, in se asiaan count. particularly in india

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what strategy usa IS GOING TO ADOPT IN ITS RELATIONSHIP B/W INDIA PAK & AFGHANISTAN

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is nuclear terrorism possible in the indian sub continent if so what p[reventive measures should ind govt take?

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It’s only a matter of time, not “If”, but “when” some of their nukes will be taken and used.

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