Comments on: Obama and his South Asian envoy http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Peace http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10923 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:50:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10923 Some intelligent guy had said that you shall harvest what you sow—- meaning what happen in mumbai is what india should expect —-have you all forgotten about the destruction of “Babri Mosque”, have you forgotten about killing, raping and molesting young an old women in Kashmir in front of thier fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, have you forgotten about killing of hundreds of muslims in Gujrat…If yes then somebody will remind you soon… the real terrorist state is only India, which has been terrorizing its people particularly non-hindus sincs beggining of 19th century.. because you call it “Hindustan”, land of hindus. Hindus brutality results in creation of Pakistan. and you they stop doing this they see more division of India.
regarding Pakistan involvement in mumbai incident…just answer why Miliband instruct india to solve Kashmir issue…why the picture of Kasab re-worked to remove his wrist band… why all things found on boat are marked as made in Pakistan. why india has stepped back when Pakistan said she is ready for anything from india…………..The world has accepted that mumbai incident was self created by india itself in order to get rid of Pakistan the biggest threat to india

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By: Murgan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10893 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:18:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10893 Pakistanies more worried about others problems than thier own. Here are my suggestions to Pakistanis
1. First free your land from Taliban and save inncocent Pakistani people before you lend help to others. Around 400 schools closed by Taliban.
Here is the link to read further

http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn %20Content%20Library/dawn/news/pakistan/ sindh/destroyed-girls-schools-to-reopen- soon-sherry–qs

2. Try to take decision on your own without acting on behalf of someone.

3. Your counrty is on the edge of bankruptcy but you guys are still talking about war and nuke. What a joke?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan cetopics/financialcrisis/3147266/Pakista n-facing-bankruptcy.html

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By: Anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10815 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:19:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10815 Nikhil

–I am not suggesting returning to the cold-war ways, ofcourse I am in complete support of India strategically allying with the west, but never rely on them, American policies / priorities drastically change according to the whims & fancies of the incumbent President, Pakistani Establishment have mastered the art of fawning them & they are comfortable with the Pakistani loyality & Kashmir issue will be kept alive, 1-to keep India in check, 2- to humor Pakistani Establishment, who need Kashmir symbollicaly to amuse their locals… China is a ower, whereas, on the Global Map, India is still irrelevant & insignificant, no, the Chinese have expansionist plans, not applicable to India, non-allignment was idealistic stupidity.

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By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10811 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:34:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10811 Anup,

You are confusing between India’s strategy in dealing with Kashmir and that with Pakistan. In 21st century, India needs new strategies for both. It’s smart, not naive, of India to deepen its relations with the US, with an eye on a permanent solution in Kashmir. Because in the past, the US chose to take sides with Pakistan in Kashmir, the US will not necessarily continue to do so now. We know that Pakistan is fidgety. Even if Kashmir is resolved bi-laterally, Pakistan will not give up on its nefarious plans against India. As a result, India simultaneously needs different strategy to reign in Pakistani state.

According to Venkat, the west may have sinister designs in its covert support to Pakistan. On the same token, we can talk about the west’s designs in Taiwan vis-a-vis China. However, with passage of time, the west cannot mess with a cash-rich China anymore. Can India not take a leaf from the Chinese experience? In addition, India cannot harp of non-alignment, like it did in the past, and hope that the world will stand by her when she needs the most. Be it dealing in Kashmir or dealing with perpetrators of Mumbai attacks, India must develop internally and deepen links with other countries, simultaneously.

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By: Anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10807 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:30:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10807 Nikhil
“Without confirmation from a third party (the US), Pakistan will continue to violate peace agreements keeping Kashmir on the boil.”
—It shall be naïve on our part to expect such a confirmation, nor is any amicable solution to the mess already created in the name of Kashmir & be rest assured Pakistan will continue it’s diatribes, irrespective of Kashmir or no Kashmir-
@Venkat’s observation is Bullseye, with retrospection it’s now obvious who were the surreptitious forces behind the formation of Pakistan & for what purpose…

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By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10804 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:06:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10804 To, Anup & Venkat,

I usually refrain from starting parallel conversations but, after reading your comments, I chose to briefly respond. Here, I am only focusing on the external factors that may affect the outcome in Kashmir.

Anup, I disagree with your views. The dispute in Kashmir is political one. No military/jihadi outbursts or economic hand-outs are going to give durable solution in Kashmir. India knows Pakistan’s hypocrisy better than anyone; needless to say, India has to deal with it smartly. Although Kashmir dispute will be resolved bilaterally between India and Pak, the US will continue to play an invisible hand there. Without confirmation from a third party (the US), Pakistan will continue to violate peace agreements keeping Kashmir on the boil.

For me, the real question is can Indian politicians & diplomats influence the outcome in Kashmir in their favor? India should upgrade its relations not only with the US but also with the Central Asian countries. The more India asserts itself in Afghanistan and beyond, the more it’s seen as part of the solution in Asia, in the eyes of the US. Within short time you’ll see the Kashmir solution falling permanently in India’s favor.

Venkat, I disagree with your views. I believe you underestimate India’s abilities and overestimate American capabilities. The US/UK cannot defeat emerging powers such as India, China among others because time has changed. We’ve seen China using its economic prowess to silence the US in Tibet & Taiwan, Israel using its Jewish lobby in the US to bend the rules in Gaza and Russia sending chill down the EU/NATO countries by threatening to cut off oil & gas supplies. Can India take a cue from other countries? There lies the answer how to deal with the US. India must quickly use its military, economic & diplomatic weight to influence the Kashmir outcome ‘permanently’ in its favor.

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By: venkat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10781 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:34:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10781 nikhil, the very purpose of creating the pakistan by uk itself is for the US to have military base in the region. otherwise how a western type muslim can create a islamist state of pak. it is because of pakistan today, the enemy to the world peace and enemy of major countries in the region is having military base in the region.

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By: venkat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10779 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:09:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10779 Nikhil
you have not understood USA foreign policy. the strategic relation ship with pak for the past 60 years is to destroy all major economies in the region. with pak help they destroyed USSR, next their aim will be INDIA and next will be china. their presence in afganistan is also for the same.

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By: Sikander Hayat http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10774 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:50:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10774 To get more information about developments in Pakistan and in the region, please visit

www.real-politique.blogspot.com

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By: Anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/12/obama-and-his-south-asian-envoy/comment-page-2/#comment-10768 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:40:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1563#comment-10768 Nikhil

—Firstly, there is no such problem called ‘Kashmir’, the real problem is the ‘Red Fort’ where the Pakistani’s Establishment 24×7, hallucinate to hoist their ‘Islamic Flag’ (sic)- what all active involvement would you like the cunning Americans to be mediators i.e. Officially- Junagadh? Deccan(Hyderabad)?
—You state that the US will ‘not allow India & Pak to slide into a situation of conflict.’, maybe not in their present situation & their needs for Afghanistan , but once they are over with it, would they care? remember Kargil, it was before 9/11…any toehold given to US in any territory globally, has proven to be disastrous to that region… they better far off..

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