With 15,000 fighters in Pakistan’s FATA, who is in control?

January 22, 2009

The governor of Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province has been quoted as saying that there are 15,000 militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). 

The fighters, who would very nearly constitute a small army division, “have no dearth of rations, ammunition, equipment, even anti-tank mines,”  Owais Ahmad Ghani told a team from the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan led by Asma Jahangir, according to newspaper reports. A militant or a foot soldier earned between  6,000 ($75) to 8000 rupees a month while commanders took home 20,000 rupees to 30,000 rupees, the governor said.
 
With 15,000 armed fighters, give or take a few thousand, you would have to wonder who is control of the area, them or the security forces?

Some people are already asking that question as the writ of the state, always very tenous in the FATA, has been forefully challenged in the nearby areas of the North West Frontier Province, especially in the scenic Swat valley.  Once popular with tourists, the alpine valley has become a battleground between the Pakistani Taliban determined to impose their strict interpretation of Islam as they push deeper into Pakistan on the one hand, and security forces trying to regain their grip.

The Taliban have imposed a ban on female education across Swat, saying it was “un-Islamic.” This week they blew up four schools after a government minister vowed to ensure that the schools re-opened in March after the winter break.

The Daily Times in an editorial headlined “The fall of Swat” said “after a year of military operations in Swat, the territory controlled by the terrorists has reportedly increased from 25 percent to 75 percent.”

Teachers in Swat say they can return to work only if the government restores peace and shuts down the militants’ radio over which they they make their threats, or if the militants themselves ask them to resume teaching.

“The ground reality is there is no safety,” the head of the local teachers’ union, Ziauddin Yousafzai, says in this Reuters story from the troubled area.

“If they’re destroying schools during a curfew, they can do anything,” he says.

It is a crisis that has almost crept up on Pakistanis without them realising it, writes Shireen M Mazari in The News. 

And while the militants are making deep inroads not just in FATA or Swat but also threatening Peshawar, the provincial capital of the North West Frontier Province, most Pakistanis seem to have been caught off-guard. ”Yes, many of us have been guilty of ignoring the escalating crisis in Swat as well as across the FATA region which has now spread to the settled areas right up to and into the provincial capital of Peshawar,” she writes.

What now ? Especially with a new U.S. administration led by President Barack Obama who is commiting more troops to Afghanistan, believing the Afghan-Pakistan theatre to be the central front in the war against al Qaeda.

Some people think the additional troops that the United States is sending to Afghanistan will be deployed in the areas facing FATA.

But as Shuja Nawaz says in a report for the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, the problem of FATA is far too complex to be resolved through military means alone. Here is a PDF of his excellent study entitled  FATA : A most dangerous place, that was flagged in an earlier post on this blog.

So is the Pakistani northwest, seen as the ground zero of the anti-U.S. jihad, going to be first security test of the new administration ?

[File pictures of a militant guarding security personnel in Swat and a protest in Lahore against U.S. drone aircraft attacks in the northwest]

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I can definitely state not the Pakistani administration or the army. The taliban there not only stopped female eduction, they have today declared that no music should be played in buses!My question is: How long do you think this edict will be spread throughout Pakistan rather than FATA/NWFP?Predicting a retorting argument: FATA tribals were always fiercely independent therefore Pakistan never fully controlled those areas! But is the government not supposed to have control over its territory? …a region can be autonomous, but it should be under control!

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Sanjeev, my answers are below:-With 15,000 armed fighters, give or take a few thousand, you would have to wonder who is control of the area, them or the security forces?-No one from Pakistan Army to millitants can claim full control of the areas. With a consistent and long campaign to assert the writ of the Government, Pakistan Army is capable of turning the situation around. While the millitants pose a signifact challenge, they can be defeated by a strong will, comprehensive strategy and bold tactics. FATA has always been independent with Pakistani government represented by its political agents, historically the areas fall under Pakistan and the government let the people govern themselves and gave them autonomy.What now?Well the Obama administration knows a combination of drone attacks and reckless policies by Bush administration resulted in a hostile FATA/NWFP. The US need to correct the course of effort in Afghanistan and closely coordinate with Pakistan Army to ensure nothing gets out of control on the Pakistan side of the border.-So is the Pakistani northwest, seen as the ground zero of the anti-U.S. jihad, going to be first security test of the new administration ?-No sir! Jihad means struggle in the path of Allah(GOD), it could be armed or unarmed. JIHAD DOES NOT MEAN HOLY WAR. It could be Jihad against poverty, illetracy or hunger/disease. With Obama administration ensuring non-military assistance in social sector to Pakistan, this will be the right strategy. Obama reached out to muslims and the damage done by Bush must be repaired to correct America’s image. Besides, the presence of foreign military in Afghanistan is also part of the problem. Afghanistan need to get stable as quickly as possible and foreign forces need to withdraw. There is no war being waged against anyone, the problem in Pakistani northwest is an internal matter which is affected by external factors.THE PEOPLE OF SWAT OR NWFP DO NOT WANT TO WAGE WAR AGAINST USA. THEIR STAND IS CORRECT IN PRINCIPLE, THEIR TRADITIONS ARE STRONG, THEY ARE INCLINED TOWARDS RELIGION AND THEY ARE DEMANDING SHARIA LAW WHICH IS THEIR RIGHT. IF A GROUP OF PEOPLE WANT TO ADOPT A CERTAIN WAY OF LIFE, IT IS THEIR RIGHT. THE DEMOCRACTIC GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN HAS ADOPTED A POLICY OF COMBINATION OF NEGOTIATIONS AND RECONSTRUCTION/DEVELOPMENT WORK IN THE MILLITANCY HIT AREAS OF FATA/NWFP.As these areas develop, people will be more prosperous. A sustained effort will see the situation improve gradually.Lastly, I want to emphasize for non-muslims to understand what is sharia law. Sharia is nothing strict, it is simple Islamic laws. Infact the constitution of Pakistan states no law in the country will be promulgated against Quran and Sunnat. The leaders take oath by saying they believe in Oneness of God(Allah) and will lead keeping in mind they will be accountable and that real authority rests with God(Allah). Pakistan is an Islamic republic, where in elections last year majority voted in power the moderate political parties. If in certain areas people demand sharia law, the problem should be sorted out by giving them the right.Now the question arises, does sharia forbid female education and orders to bomb girls schools? NO, NOT AT ALL. People doing this are reacting negatively. As the government sit down with them and convince them to lay down arms and straighten things out with them, things will improve. This is the way forward. It is not as simple as it looks, it is complicated and needs a huge effort.Saudi Arabia has sharia laws, and women are getting university education, gradually reform is taking place and women are progressing at work. Prince Waleed Bin Talal employs many women in his headoffice in Riyadh.

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Pakistan, NATO to work closely to defeat terrorismhttp://www.brecorder.com/latest index.php?latest_id=9743January 22, 2009 BUSINESS RECORDERNATO secretary general visiting Pakistan, a major Non-NATO ally (MNNA).

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Umair, I agree with your thoughts..but the problem lies in mentality of people who have taken up arms..like the Taliban who will not accept to talk with any foreign agents, muslim or non-muslim – How do you think one will convince them to throw away arms ?? You can only talk to a person who is ready to listen..You said if people are willing to follow sharia rules they should be allowed to..but people who are demading or trying to impose sharia are extremists, like taliban, who apparently want to impose their own interpretation of Islam/Quran.and in their interpretation beheading is justified, girls should not be educated, men should grow beards, no music etc etc..I dont think people will crave for such a sharia to follow..I think it is being imposed already disregarding people want it or not.In my view military action against militants should be immediately stopped but focus should be shifted to stop movement of drugs, preventing ordinary people from paying taxes to taliban representatives and stop weapons and ammunition supply to militants from where ever they are getting them..the terrorism will eventually die out with out money.

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After getting shamefull defeat in defaming Pakistan and destroying the Pakistan sovereignty from the whole world and specially after the recent visit of Mr. Milliband and Obama inaugural speech, india has come up with its new dirty trick of falsefully propogating that PAKISTAN is not a true ally of US, but one should not forget that US president and his team is not stupid enough to increase its aid by 50% to a country which is not its truefull friend. Pakistan since its inception is the strongest friend of US whether it is for saving afghanistan from russia and india or now from taliban. So Pakistan has proven many times its sincerity to US.

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AnithaAs long as there is war in Afghanistan, no amount on millitant funds/finance freeze, weapons and drugs smuggling stop will work. These millitants get the weapons, drugs and even pick up trucks and satellite phones from sources in Afghanistan. An unstable Afghanistan is resulting in unstable FATA/NWFP. In bazaars in Peshawar, you can get original US Army uniform, gear, boots and gloves etc which is smuggled. Afghanistan and Pakistan’s stability is linked to each other, much the same way as Pakistan stability is linked to India’s stability. The millitants loot NATO supply convoys carrying goods for Afghanistan. Even HUMVEES are stolen and millitants are using them.Now on sharia, you stated that people demanding or willing to accept sharia law are extremists. Are you implying all people in Saudi Arabia who follow and live under sharia law are extremsists? Is the women Saudi Pilot being currently trained by Prince Waleed Bin Talal an extremist? are all Saudi women working in Kingdom Holding Company in Riyadh extremist? or female cabin crew in Saudi Arabian Airlines extremists, because most are Saudi citizens and follow the laws of the country. NO they are not extremist. This is the root of misperception. The people in SWAT demanding sharia cannot be labelled as extremists. The government of Pakistan should conduct a referendum in SWAT if people vote for it so be it. The Taliban of 1996 are a different case, yes few incidents took place in their time that were negative. But Taliban were myopic and short-sighted and isolated from the world. Pakistan and its people and government are not isolated, we know what our problems are and where do the solution lies.Lastly, how do we negotiate with millitants holding AK-47s. We simply cut their power supply, in other words build schools, roads, hospitals, create economic activity, offer credit facility for enterprenuers, raise the quality of life, give a reason to live in peace. Youngsters will reject the warlords and opt for a more stable life style. As the recruits drop, militancy will die out. At the end there will more guns than millitants. The Army can collect all the guns and destroy them and bring the remaining handful millitants to justice. The solution in simple but its implementation is very difficult, this is where Pakistan needs assistance from international community. Unlike the Taliban government in 1996, Pakistan will never shy to reach out to international community for assistance, but ofcourse not in the form of drone attacks in its territory. There is a mess and it needs to be sorted out.

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Here is something I want to share.Jihadi cleric Sayyed Imam Al-Sharif is one of the chief ideologues of the global jihad movement and he knows Ayman Al-Zawahiri for last 40 yrs. Sayyed Imam has recently come out against Al-Qaeda, and published a new book, The Document of Right Guidance for Jihad Activity in Egypt and the World, that forbids waging jihad against the rulers of Muslim countries and in the West. (For MEMRI’s first report on Sayyed Imam, released Dec. 14, 2007, see http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?age=ar chives&Area=sd&ID=SP178507 )He considers this jihad has little or no chance of success, and thus does more harm than good.Following are the excerpts:”Bin Laden and His Followers Lied to… [Mullah] Muhammad Omar and Betrayed Him”On 9/11:”The Followers of Bin Laden Entered America… and Acted Perfidiously Toward Its People”"This (9/11) was perfidy towards the enemy, because they entered America with a visa, which is a contract of protection. There is no dispute about this among the scholars – even… [if someone] forges the signature of the residents of [the Abode of] War, and they believe it to be authentic, and then he enters their land, he is forbidden to betray them in anything – their lives, their honor, their property, without any distinction between combatants (military) and non-combatants (civilians) among the residents of [the Abode of] War, as long as he remains in their country… “”The followers of bin Laden entered America with his knowledge and by his order, and they acted perfidiously towards its people, and killed and destroyed… Then they called their treachery and their perfidy a ‘raid’ in order to compare their actions to the Prophet’s raids. To tie their perfidy and treachery to the Prophet is to diminish him and to mock him, and the punishment for diminishing the worth of the Prophet is well-known to Muslims; Qadi ‘Iyyad mentioned it in Al-Shifa, and Ibn Taymiyya in Al-Sarim Al-Maslul.”"Many Ignorant People Admired Al-Qaeda’s Actions Due to Their Lack of Knowledge in the Shari’a”"What induces people to do this (admire Al-Qaida) is their hatred for America. They don’t see any good from it. Al-Qaeda plays on this chord just like Saddam Hussein, Ahmadinejad, and others do. America always supports Israel. Even [America's foreign] aid, the common people don’t notice it, since it is either old weapons that America gets rid of to provide work for its factories, or old stocks of wheat it wants to get rid of, or birth control pills. This is American [foreign] aid – that is, America aids itself.“Shari’a Court Should be Established to Hold Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri Accountable”Other comments from the document:“Allah said (Koran 17:36): ‘Pursue not that of which you have no knowledge’.It Is Forbidden to Harm Tourists, Even If it is Known that They Are Infidels””Since taking history into account is an obligation… one must not try something that not only brings no benefit, but entails preponderant damage.”"The jurisprudential principle states that ‘the easier [option] is not rendered void when the more difficult [option is not feasible].’ On the basis of this principle, if changing [things] by force is difficult, then the obligation devolves onto changing [things] through words; and if this is difficult, the obligation is limited to condemning [the wrong] in one’s heart, which is obligatory in any case…”“The alternative is not to kill civilians, foreigners, and tourists, to destroy property, and [to commit] aggression against the lives and property of those who are inviolable under the pretext of jihad. All of this is forbidden. Wisdom requires situating things in their proper place and not confusing them. Allah said (Koran 2:269): ‘He grants wisdom to whom he pleases, and he to whom wisdom has been granted has been given a great good; and none but men of understanding remember”“It is obligatory to act kindly towards one’s neighbor, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Violation of this is a cardinal sin. All of them fall under what Allah said (Koran 60:8): ‘Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and justly with those who did not fight you over religion and did not drive you from your homes; Allah loves those who deal justly.”“Do not be aggressors, for Allah does not love the aggressors.”

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Peace wrote:”Pakistan since its inception is the strongest friend of US whether it is for saving afghanistan from russia and india or now from taliban. So Pakistan has proven many times its sincerity to US.”Peace, Pakistan’s problem is that it spends energy ‘proving sincerity to US’ and meddling outside, but has done nothing for its own people.Peace!

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/This website gives more detailed information about all terror attacks occured after 9/11. It is very sad to see that there are more than 10K attacks carried out with in the short span of time. One thing is clear, weaker governance means more poor and poverty and more terror.I dont know who can save south east Asia from this meance.Pakistan is good friend of USA, and US also helped Pakistan in many ways, but they are failing to maintain law and order in all region and sustain democracy. This may lead disaster for their own people as well as neighbours. Wake up Paksitan!

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Saudi is an extremist country. (extremism!= terrorism)There is no religious freedom in Saudi. So who are we kidding?MuruganTerrorism is not bred by poverty. Perpetrators of 9/11 were no poor people. Osama was a saudi millionaire. Terrorist in recent times are created by brainwashing the weak minds with the sense of victim hood and than shown the door of jihad to seek revenge.Sanjeev is curious about FATA and i am wondering who is in control of Pakistan. The democratically elected govt, The Army or the ISI. Though Pakistan is on the verge of talibanization but its not talibanized till now. so possibly the terrorist are not.

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The problems in Pakistan are no surprize, thousand of militants would have fled Afghanistan when US carried out thier compaign against terror. Its a traditional problem with our tribal people they give refuge to even a criminal considering them their guests (It is interesting to know that many sikhs while India-Pakistan partition took refuge in these tribal areas and their generations are still living there). Now the ‘guests’ from Afghanistan with their local accomplices have captured the area. To counter this an efficient propaganda war is needed as taliban’s ideas carry no weight. Their only weapon is terror and they prefer to kill a person who they think could speak against their belief.The other problem Pakistan is facing is transition from military to a civilian rule. For the last eight years military had been running the show, it will take time until the democratic government gets into full control.So these two problems, instability due to Afghan war and change over to democratic system are managable and Pakistan is not the first country who is facing them.I do not buy an idea of dooms day scenario.

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I think no one person or organisation or govt or one tribe is in control of FATA as it was not under any control throughout its history..more than 12 different types of tribal people, all different from each other in their customs, life style and religious beliefs in sucha small area with out clear marked area for each of them is bound to be conflict prone all the time, anytime…with so much diversity and everyone with arms against each other and any foreign negotiator it is hard to bring them all under one central control.

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The fighters, who would very nearly constitute a small army division, “have no dearth of rations, ammunition, equipment, even anti-tank mines,” —- a foot soldier earned between 6,000 ($75) to 8000 rupees a month while commanders took home 20,000 rupees to 30,000 rupees,”—approx. annual expense of one billion dollars— sources drugs, Saudi extremists & ISI…

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“Umair”I some times wonder where you gather all these false information from.I do understand that you’re entitled to give your opinions but make sure your opinions are based on some real facts on the ground.You stated that as along as stability exists in Afghanistan, FATA region will continue to be under Taliban.YOU ARE WRONG.Who are Taliban?A Pakistani ISI created group of army who stood against afghans in early 90s and dragged Afghans into more civil war while true Afghans reformed Northern Alliance and fought against these terrorists who had families in Pakistan and were fighting in Afghanistan.There are thousands of Madrasas in Pakistan teaching extremism, teaching Jihad, brain washing little kids from early age to stand against west.It is a dream of every student of these Madrasas to fight India or western forces.Until this day you will not find a single madrasa teaching extremism and brain washing kids in Afghanistan.Pakistan invested many years in reforming these groups not being concern about its own lawless NWFP & FATA region that every individual is armed.In early 2002 millions of Rupees were collected in donation all across Pakistan to fund Taliban fight against US. Were you a kid at that time or you are suffering from Alzheimer’s?These are the same people trained by Pakistani terrorist agency ISI which are fighting back their masters.I have always stated this and will always do that I can not wait to see Pakistan’s river filled with blood and they too realize how it feels to create a civil war in a country like Afghanistan.

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Afghan— You have brilliantly exposed the Pakistani compulsive liars…”Pakistan’s river filled with blood…”—deservedly so…Justice shall be done to millions of innocents globally…

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Umair,…Pakistan will never shy to reach out to international community for assistance, but ofcourse not in the form of drone attacks in its territory. There is a mess and it needs to be sorted out….–Ofcourse we all have seen Pakistan never shy to reach N.Korea also for assistance, but ofcourse not in the form of legally. There is a mess in Pakistan and US is not shying out droning it…Tit of Tat ?– come on No Country in this planet is a fool to offer funds without any expectation, please have sense US is not taking a free support, instead it had flood billions of dollars, and you Army chiefs and Politicians never shy out to pocket it.

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Umair,You persistance in defending Pakistan reputation is commendable.As long as people like you are around there will always be hope for Pakistan.Keep it up.

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indian1127—Umair’s defense of the abstract Pakistani rep. is worthy of praise but i doubt whether there’s an element of hope even in his weird imagination…

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Afghan—You are just like the idiots but little worse in understanding your own country. It was afghans like YOU who sold your country to the Russians swith the help of the idiots who you so dearly hold close to.I might agree with you that Pakistan had the hand behind the creation of the talibans but these were same peopel who were backed by the states in the 70′s as freedom fighters. Taliban did NOT only have the backing of the Pakistani also were recognised bythe Saudis/Emirates but I dont see any criticism of those countries.Afghans, a true afghan has lot to thank Pakistan for. Not only did we provided shelter n food for millions of afghans and even today food is smuggled to Afghnaistan to feed the hungry there from Pakistan. Indian are building roads or anyother cinstruction to enhance their own agenda or dream of being a mini superpower which willnever be a reality but offcourse no harm in trying.In the same note if the indians can enhance their intrest and afghans can be used to enhance their intrests. I do NOT see any reason why Pakistan should not also look after its own intrest which is logicaly perfect. But then indian strat running like headless chickens oh its NOT fair thais n that. Obama is here so get ready all indian for some action on Kashmir. Which you never wanted to solve and for 60years you opressed poor Kashmiris with all your dilectory tactics.You can fool Bush NOT Obama. So get ready for some tough talk and time to leave the Kashmiris alone and give them self determination to decide their fate.Long live Kashmir and Kashmiris and just a thought for idiots. You can write what you like give any comparison the fact is indian muslims dont feel they are part of india by naminf couple on high position does not chnage the fact. That Muslim are worst in India and can NOT even buy a flat i Bombay without getting thrests from idiot fanatics and this is your democracy. You keep it we dont need it to yurself if it promotes:-Killing of Christians and burning their churches…-Killing Muslims without ever being questiooned as it happened in Gujrat…-Burning train carriages of guests they have come to see their opressed loved ones in India and the gift you give them is blown up buggies…-Opressing the rights of people in Kashmir and using any tool to enhance New Delhi control in the valley but still not getting any fruitful resukts.-Even Hindus are NOT safe from your evil policies the untouchables not allowed same rights then how to you expect the muslims to feel safe??-Why is it only India that has problem with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri lanka and Nepal with nearly all its neighours??Its time india needs to accept the reality and STOP being bully in South East Asia. The only country that stands up to it is Pakistan and no wonder every opportunity its wants to defame n marginalise the Pakistan nation without any sucess. Idiots can buy those arguments from STARNEWS but not the World. Indian failure has been exposed in the recent Mumbai attacks so carry on and you will put to your place soon.

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AliJanuary 23rd, 2009Second U.S. missile hits Pakistan tribal regionPosted: 11:51 AM ETISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) — Ten people were killed Friday evening in the first of two U.S. missile strikes in Pakistan’s tribal region, said one government and two military officials. They are the first strikes since President Barack Obama took office on Tuesday.– From CNN’s Reza Sayah.—Obama is here so get ready all…who???

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“Ali”I am glad that you finally admitted to the horror that Pakistan is spreading in the region and of course it got to be in its interest to do so.Let me tell you a person experience and since I could use myself as an eye wetness as well.I have lived in India for some years and I visited Pakistan for a very short period of time ones which till day I would never go back to that country.Although there are many similarities between these two countries as far as culture and language and customs concern, but one could see these two countries as deferent from each other as Night and Day.From the time I landed in that country until I left, all I could see was Hate, Extremism, foolishness, a drive towards 3rd world instead of urbanization, brain washed people. War, jealousy of India and a huge support to all Terrorist organizations of the world. Lets not Forget Pakistan was the only sponsor of Taliban regimeI am a proud Muslim and I have always been thought about Gods love, in Pakistan you people learn how to hate, how to kill and how to die.You are in the wrong side of the history as Obama stated.Life is not all about hating others, not all about spreading terrorism to achieve your goals and it certainly not all about calling some one Idiot who tells you the real color of you.Where in Indian side, life is all about love, living it at your fullest even if you’re sleeping in hunger, for your information, Indian Muslims hate Pakistan. Some thing you really need to know.I praise Pakistan’s intelligent for what they doing for their own country, but the time has come to pay it back. US drones are targeting Pakistan and shooting misiles all the time, let there be a voice to stop that. LolYour own created Taliban is hunting you down. What more could I ever asked for.You Pakistanis have the narrowest and the most extreme and stupid mentality among all human kind. History will prove this.

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Umair:Not all those who follow Sharia law are extremists, but all extremists in SWAT/NWFP are asking for Sharia. You said “The government of Pakistan should conduct a referendum in SWAT if people vote for it so be it.” With Taliban/militants around ready to behead who raises his/her head, do you think refendum has any meaning?I agree with your “These millitants get the weapons, drugs and even pick up trucks and satellite phones from sources in Afghanistan. An unstable Afghanistan is resulting in unstable FATA/NWFP.”.Umair said: “The Taliban of 1996 are a different case, yes few incidents took place in their time that were negative. But Taliban were myopic and short-sighted and isolated from the world. Pakistan and its people and government are not isolated, we know what our problems are and where do the solution lies.”Pakistan created Taliban and was one of the 3 countries (Pak, S. Arabia, UAE) to recognize Taliban govt in Afghanistan until Pak was payed/arm twisted to convert their stance to anti-Taliban (I doubt that ever happened at all levels). But why do you think Taliban is different now? Yes Taliban is divided–Mullah Omar and Mehsud? Are you giving a positive spin to Taliban and have some hopes from Taliban in terms of stability? They might stabilize the area by their own version of neo-Sharia Law–people shut up when they see beheadings so that’s called stability. Nothing good can be expected from Taliban if they rule. All they know is guns, drugs and shoot people by their version of Islamic law.Problem is Taliban men are in plenty but they are extremists with links to terrorist organizations—Omar spits venom against India and Mehsud offered Pakistan 2000 some men against India in case of War. They allowed terrorist camps run before 2001-deep love with Bin-laden et al/hugged Azhar Mahmood (now in pak) released at Kandhar airport post-hijack-who then killed Daniel Pearl, so on so forth. Most worrisome part (not fiction anymore) is that Taliban are an attractive link between terrorists (themselves and others) who want to acquire nuclear weapons and Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal if Taliban stabilizes and spreads. Old habits don’t die and they have to be removed—do you disagree over this with me? Who else to this noble job than ISI who created it? Taliban has a radical anti-India agenda, as shown by their offer to Pakistan in recent war flare-up/war hysteria. I have not seen the reports that Pakistan said “No, Thank you to Taliban”–What’s the status of Pakistan-Taliban relationship? Since it is not easy to get rid of Taliban, who knows that ISI may want to use this as an opportunity to strike a deal to let them stay in NWFP/SWAT and not spread in other parts and in return may use them against India. But it would be in the interest of Pakistan to eradicate Taliban (not easy job) and not use them against India. Taliban and the whole concept of Talibanization has to become a part of the history for the whole region to be safe—there is no other way and now’s the right to remember that Pakistan is a nuclear nation.

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Ali:You have OCD for “IDIOT”.Sticking to discussion and talking about Kashmir, Pak is pressing on the brakes and accelerator (???) together and expect the vehicle to move forward. Favorable conditions to solve problems have not been allowed ever since Pakistan strated the war in 1948 and 2nd one in 1965. Pakistan should be the last one to be worried about Kashmiris. You have exploited them in the name of religion. If Pak is really worried about “Kashmiris” and their cause ISI would not have trained terrorists who did the genocide of Kashmiri Pundits. How sincere is Pakistan about the Kashmir issue is so clear from Azad Kashmir which is run by Islamabad (bogus title!). if you just remove the religion factor and ask everyone to now think about India and Pak about Kashmir issue, Ali, it would be safe for you to not face a group of Kashmiris. Pak takes more and gives less to POK. The stark differences between the so-called Azad Kashmir and Indian Kashmir by any neutral analysis shows the lack of sincerity of Pakistan towards Kashmiris. India has article 370 giving special status including non-Kashmiri cannot buy property in Kashmir. But Pak allowed several thousand non-Kashmiri families to settle in POK; destroyed the original demographics by systematic ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pundits through ISI’s Jihad and has been asking for plebiscite-all against UN Charter if you have any idea. Do not just speak few keywords. How many Kashmiris in POK were thrown out of Pakistan (lost jobs in the wake of the construction of Mangla Dam). Now Dam supplies 65% of the Pak electricity needs, but what does POK gets–nothing in royalty. Wow! the cause of Kashmir. Pakistan earns over Rs. 50 crores from the electricity produced at Mangla but the total budget of the Azad Kashmir is 20% of it!!!! Even if Pakistan might be thinking that it is helping Muslim Kashmiris—which it is not—but NO it is hurting and betraying them. who runs two Kashmirs– Indian J&K (a kashmiri) and The PM of POK is from Rawalpindi (Punjabi). Wow! it is like India having a PM from Pakistan.Ali said: “Taliban did NOT only have the backing of the Pakistani also were recognised bythe Saudis/Emirates but I dont see any criticism of those countries.”OK, here it is: Saudis/Emirates and Pak all three supported the establishment of a govt by the terrorists in Afghan, supported them by funding or military intelligence which in turn supported Al-Qaida et al which led to the killings of innocents world wide and all three must face Sharia law in public on TV. I hope now you can swallow Pak’s criticism?

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Afghan wrote:”There are thousands of Madrasas in Pakistan teaching extremism, teaching Jihad, brain washing little kids from early age to stand against west.It is a dream of every student of these Madrasas to fight India or western forces.Until this day you will not find a single madrasa teaching extremism and brain washing kids in Afghanistan.”hmmm, ok. NATO secretary general was in Pakistan days back, Pakistan is a major-Non Nato Ally of the US getting billions of $ worth of coalition support funds, F-16 jets, laser guided bombs and high-tech weapons systems, recently acquiring submarines from Germany. Also, has good diplomatic relations with EU, all permanent security council members, and had a peace process going on with India and one of the peaceful period with India before Mumbai attacks when tensions were raised. Thousands and thousands of students are enrolled in universities locally, Yet thousands more go to USA, UK Sweden and other countries abroad for higher studies annually. Again the Atomic energy commission employs 2000 scientists and researchers in Pakistan’s nuclear program. The IMF and world Bank are assisting Pakistan in its financial and BOP crisis.So, the international community is rewarding Pakistan very well for the “thousands of madrasas preaching hatred” EITHER YOU ARE EXTREMELY SMART AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY VERY STUPID. OR YOU ARE A TOTAL FOOLISH PERSON, IT SEEMS SECOND OPTION TO BE MORE LIKELY.Stop spitting poison against Pakistan, I am very sure if you really are an Afghan, if not yourself someone from your friends or relatives might well have been taken care of in Pakistan. As we have hosted millions of Afghan refugees from Soviet occupation with kindness and generosity and never look for a payback. If you are an Afghan, then I must say you are very ungrateful person or maybe you are brainwashed by someone telling you horrible bedtime stories during childhood. Get you facts straight next time.

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I agree that Sanjeev Miglani should be fired by Rueters because instead of writing unbaised articles on current affairs but he has taken it persaonal to defame Pakistan and show his hatered towards this peace loving country, Pakistan. Further the comments which are not published should be audited as to why those got rejected in comparision with those posted.

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“Umair”I like the level of energy you put lol.Don’t get too much frustrated. It’s okay. HahahaYou don’t need to tell me where Pakistan stands in international community. I am fully aware of it. You called Afghan government to be a puppet government, you are right but have you ever wondered why Pakistan is getting all these aids from EU or US?It’s because Pakistan government dances in US or EU’s theme lol.This is getting out of topic. When you can’t continue a very simple discussion you add different stories to it. That’s also because you get abet excited. Maybe you’re just a teenager. Again its okay lol.The point that I am making in all my statements is that Pakistan is an Evil country. It’s been, it is and it will be.Why are you ashamed of accepting the fact that it was your country and your people behind London bombings, Mumbai killings, an over 50 years of killings in Kashmir, creating numerous terrorist groups to fight India and kill innocent Afghans.The sad part is that, most of your people aren’t the dumbest and the most stupid and uneducated people on earth (excluding you) and yet the main reason for the loss of thousands of lives across both borders in India as well as Afghanistan.It is true that Pakistan accepted Afghan refugees into the country but are stupid or what that Millions of dollars were coming in from all over the world because of that. In 90s where places used to be desert in Pakistan are now your cleanest cities because of these Afghan refugees who lived there and build it.The only reason I blog here is that why you Pakistanis are so thirsty for other’s blood. Taliban have taken a full control over Swat Valley, refer to a map and you will find how close it is to your capital. Soon enough these Taliban will be the reason for Pakistan’s ultimate destruction which I dearly look forward to, trust me.The Problem is you Pakistanis and ones again your government has proven your nation is the terror spreading nation.Death to All of you Pakistanis.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/24/world/ asia/24pstan.html?hpDual Drone Attacks Kill at Least 15 in PakistanPublished: January 23, 2009ISLAMABAD — Two missile attacks launched from unmanned American aircraft killed at least 15 people in western Pakistan on Friday, suggesting that the strategy of using drones to kill militants inside Pakistan’s borders would continue under President Obama.

Russia says ready to work with U.S. on Afghanistanhttp://www.reuters.com/articl e/worldNews/idUSTRE50M3DA20090123In the article about strategic circlement of pakistan, i had written that i would not be surprised if Russia opens up her doors to NATO supplies.Abb tera kya hoga kalia……..lol

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No one is buying this nonsense Taliban is promoting war between India and Punjabistan. The truth is Punjabistan army which couldn’t fight a real battle, has indulged in murder of unarmed civilians in Mumbai in a cowardly fashion.So far it seems “General” Kayani did not share the plans for the Mumbai terrorist attack withany one in the civilian governemtn. Zardari seems to be not involved.Targeting, murdering Westerners and the Jewish people in Mumbai were all part of a drama staged to create the illusion this was an “Al-Qeda” attack and not an attack by Punjabistan army sponsired terrorist attack. This would also set the stage for future “Al-Qeda” attacks in India.India will continue “composite dialogue” with “Pakistan” and seek its help in “preventing” future “Al-Qeda” attacks. As a “victim of terrorism” itself, “Pakistan” will “help” India in solving and also continue to be a respectable member in the international community , and collect more money from the West for this noble service.Evidence such as phone call trails, “Pakistan” made toothpaste etc were deliberately left to mock and provoke India. This was also done to claim if ISI had done this ISI wouldn’t be this stupid. Sponsor and supporter of terorism, the columnist Ejaz Haider has made exactly this claim in “Pakistan” newspaper Daily Times.Rest assured, no one in the know buys any of this nonsense from Pakistan.What was NOT planned? Ajaml Amir Kasab getting caught alive. Desperate plans were discussed in the last minutes to rescue him.While planning and supervising could be done by “General” Kayani, how much deeper he could get himself involved in recruitment? Ajmal Amir Kasab proved to be the weak link and has messed up the whole operation.In summary the “Pakistan” army has acheived the exact same thing it acheieved in all 4 previous wars 1948, 65,71 and 1999- humiliation, exposure and defeat. The outcome of the 5th war is no different.

To Afghan:Well Pakistanis may be dumb,evil etc. but you Afghans happily took money, weapons and training from us Pakistanis and then you preceded to slaughter each other and shatter your country.The current problem in FATA is also due to the import and smuggling of Afghan extremision, drugs and weapons.

Afghan”Your own created Taliban is hunting you down.”—Pakistan’s frankenstien…I’m lovin it!

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chirkut—Pakistan:American Sarkar maine aapka haraam ka namak khaya haiAmerica: Aab missile kha…

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Afgahn wrote:”It is true that Pakistan accepted Afghan refugees into the country but are stupid or what that Millions of dollars were coming in from all over the world because of that. In 90s where places used to be desert in Pakistan are now your cleanest cities because of these Afghan refugees who lived there and build it.”Brother I only have one advice for you, please dont drink too much beer and try to remain sober you drunkard b*astard. About Pakistan being an evil country, hmmmwe are not only evil to our enemies, we make life a living hell for our enemies. Dont be on the wrong side you.

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JohnnyIn the 1948 war Pakistan liberated large parts of Kashmir and northern areas and annexxed it. In 1965 the biggest war of tanks after WW11, the aerial combat where Pakistan successfully attacked and bombed various air fields, the heroes like Sqn Ldr Sarfraz Rafiqui, Flt Lt Yunus Sohail and their heroism is still alive. Pakistan Air Force was ruling the skies and Army successfully defended the borders where many Indian villages fell like Khem Karan. 1971 was a civil war like situation and India took advantage, came 1998 and you know your leaders threatining Pakistan after 11 May Indian nuclear tests ducked their tales bertween their legs and ran away as Baluchistan mountains were ripped apart with lethal forces after Pakistan conducted tests of 6 massive nuclear bombs, 1999 Kargil you know very well how Indian Air Force was ordered to desperately bomb the Krgil area and fight Pakistan Army, atleast Pakistan had the confidence to attack Kashmir and we will attack again and again. 2001-2002 border stand-off and Mumbai attacks 2008 and you know Pakistan is capable of responding to any Indian attacks “WITHIN MINUTES”.SO SHUT UP AND REMEMBER INDIA WILL BE HUMILIATED IN THE NEXT WAR WITH PAKISTAN.Last thing Johnny it is for moderate Indians, remember the deaths of Hemant Karkere (Mumbai ATS chief) Ashok Kamte and Vijay Salaskar is a very disturbing fact. The mumbai attacks were a coup attempt in India, it was literally meant to paralyze Indian government and incite Indo-Pak war. India and its people are under siege by hindu extremists. Indian democracy is under siege, be rest assured the kind of terrorists BJP-VHP-RSS-Banjrang Dal are they will never win the upcoming election, Indians will reject them. What do you say about Col. Purohit and other rogue elements in the Indian Amry? who killed Pakistanis in the train blast. What about the investigation of Malegaon blasts? after Hemant’s death that investigation will get nowhere.FACT IS THE SITUATION IN INDIA IS MUCH SERIOUS THAN YOU THINK. You are better off worrying about your own country which is on fire, same goes for ANUP who is rejoicing about drone attacks in Pakistan. If Pakistan goes down , India will also surely go down. As I said it in an earlier post, Pakistan Afghanistan and India’s stability is interlinked. There is a saying in Urdu:”hum to dube hein sanam, tujh ko bhi le dube gae”we are drowning sweetheart, we will take you down with us.

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The Pakistani Dawn is an excellent News Paper,which always speak the fact as it is. In the opinion column,there is an article from Bina Shah which speak about the Pakistani people’s inability in dealing with the extremists in SWAT. Recently there were protest marches in Pakistan against the Danish Cartoons which were portraying Prophet Mohammed. But there are no Similar protests against the militants who had eaten a part of Pakistan and affected its Sovereignty.Bina Shah says,”But where were the protest marches? The placards, condemning this all-out assault on one of the basic rights of the people of Pakistan? Where were the effigies being burnt, the slogans, the tears of outrage? When it is Israelis killing Palestinians, we’re ready to fight, but when it’s militants bombing children’s schools, we’re suddenly silent. What’s wrong with this picture?”http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/24/ op.htm#2She finally adds,”Every day in Karachi I see little children walking along the roads, wearing government school uniforms, carrying book bags on their backs and in their hands, smiling, laughing, or looking weary at the long hours they’ve put in learning how to read and write. It’s a beautiful sight. But until I see a photograph in the newspaper that captures children in Swat doing the same thing, I can’t be happy — and we, as a nation, won’t be free.”

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Anup wrote:”—Pakistan:American Sarkar maine aapka haraam ka namak khaya haiAmerica: Aab missile kha…”Umair responds:”Anup sale haram zade mere desh ke bare mein mat bhonk kutte”.

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Posts from Umeir is like a spoof work which contain a lot of hate and abuses :)

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Umair says “In 1965 the biggest war of tanks after WW11, the aerial combat where Pakistan successfully attacked and bombed various air fields, the heroes like Sqn Ldr Sarfraz Rafiqui, Flt Lt Yunus Sohail and their heroism is still alive. Pakistan Air Force was ruling the skies and Army successfully defended the borders where many Indian villages fell like Khem Karan.”Grow up child,Don’t live in a delusion.Read thishttp://pakistaniat.com/2007/09/06/19 65-war-a-different-legacy/“In Pakistani schools and colleges what is being taught as history is really national mythology, and the subjects of Social Studies and Pakistan Studies are nothing but vehicles of political indoctrination. Our children don’t learn history. They are ordered to read a carefully selected collection of falsehoods, fairy tales and plain lies.”Also you say “we are drowning sweetheart, we will take you down with us.”. This is so akin to the mentality of a Suicide Bomber.

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@Pk,Whatever we say these guys are never going to accept the truth about the wars,even if the truth is staring at them right in their eyes. Its because they are brainwashed by their curriculum. You will see,a response will now come from them claiming ‘Pakistaniat’ is a RAW agency maligning Pakistan.

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@Bangash Khan…..but you Afghans happily took money, weapons and training from us Pakistanis and then you preceded to slaughter each other and shatter your country…But you Pakistanis too took money, weapons and training from US to destabilise Afghan in the name of Soviet invasion and then your Taliban proceeded to slaughter eachother and shatter your Country. Well guys, tit of tat!!Is is an Evolution?

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FATA is an area where foreign journalists havent entered for the last few years & hence we should refrain from judgement about how Pakistan is the be-all & end-all of Global Evil.Whats true is that a regional crisis has snowballed over the last 30 years to produce a scenario where FATA is the battlefied for the cultural,ideological & geopolitical faultlines in the region.Chechens,Arabs,Uzbeks,RAW,CIA,Chi nese Muslims,Iranians,Afghans & Pakistanis are all fighting each other in FATA…& hence blaming Pakistan or the Pakistani people for the mess is an argument that doesnt hold sway

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@Umair,Grow up child, it was Circut who wrote and not Anup.This shows the very mentlity of Pakistanis that they dont have patience, common sense before what they say and what they do. A Psycho-Somatic disorder of Pakistan.– Jab tumara khud paale hue kutte kaatne pe laga hai, tho usko rokne ki socho, bhookne waal hazar milete par kaatne wale sau kaafi hai, sola bullet pet pe gusa denge, allah ke naam pe.

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@Mitchell…You will see,a response will now come from them claiming ‘Pakistaniat’ is a RAW agency maligning Pakistan….– Well you have one already posting about RAW ;-)….Chechens,Arabs,Uzbeks,RAW,CIA,Chi nese Muslims,Iranians,Afghans & Pakistanis…WAR ZONE? probably a foundation for WWIII lol

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@BloggerFYI,the only reason Pakistan began to fund such radical militias was because it had been threatened by the Soviet Union.Their offensive had reached the Khyber Pass & hence they were threatening to cross the border…hence we involved the US in our defensive ploy.We had no choice but to unleash these groups because back then not only were these mullahs defending Pakistan,they were also the adored patrons of the West…portrayed as rugged,noble warriors who were fighting for the “Free World”The same mountains today are inhabited by the same people.The only thing that has changed is the priorities of those who once fed & nurtured them

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Umair:After your dream about 1965 war, it is time to wake up and read he URL posted by “pk”http://pakistaniat.com/2007/09/0 6/1965-w ar-a-different-legacy/You got to read some objective analyses. I have talked about 1965 earlier in detail addressed specifically to you at that time. To say the least, sialkot, Lahore were controlled by Indian Army to the extent that my Uncle who is a civilian went up to the outskirts of Lahore and still has a picture from that time.Yes, Paki army did tried to do Lahore to India by occupying Amritsar but had to kiss the dirt in the “Battle of Assul Uttar: by India as a response. recall Paki Paton tank demolition by India and the area is famously called “Paton Nagar” (or perhaps Graveyard!!!!) due to more than 100 tanks destroyed.By the way Your couplet shows the suicidal tendencies.My couplet:The skies are ruled by Pakistan (in your dream) and the sialkot and Lahore by India, abhi jago Mian.-:)”

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i found this wiki article on 1965 was the most balanced article till datehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_wa rI will specially recommend pakis to read it coz they seem to be the most delusional about the war and its outcome.

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Qasim AwanYour notion ‘only thing that changed in the area’ …is accepted.See they want to live in stone age, no changes are welcome. Killing girlsfor demanding schooling, forcing the girls to marry Taliban goons. Forcing non muslims (as if there are any left alive) identity bands. Oh. bringing down 2000 yrs old Statues. The list goes on and on. What a shining example of peace & prosperity. Shall we call them a model state, perhaps. Now I know- you will blame the entire world and even god. This area became a shame for entire Asia.

@ReJa1. Pakistan is a secular democracy,which elected SECULAR POLITICIANS into power in all four provinces…even in the NWFP which is considered a hotbed of radicalism by outsiders.2. What I meant in that post was that it was the CIA who founded these groups because it wanted to attack the Soviets…Pakistan only joined hands & allowed itself to be used as a staging ground for such groups becuase the Soviet military advance was directly threatening us.They would have crossed the Khyber Pass had we not constructed an alliance with America.

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@Qasim,Pakistan is an ISLAMIC republic. How can it be secular?”What I meant in that post was that it was the CIA who founded these groups because it wanted to attack the Soviets…Pakistan only joined hands & allowed itself to be used as a staging ground for such groups becuase the Soviet military advance was directly threatening us.They would have crossed the Khyber Pass had we not constructed an alliance with America.”If that is so than why Pak kept supporting talibans long after soviets left the country? And it continued blatantly till America arm twisted you in joining its war on terror.

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Qasim Awan,Get your facts straight-do not call Pakistan “secular”. You might get ‘fatwa” for saying that Paksitan as secular state. Just for your safety, Pakistan (???????) is officially called the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

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Qasim Awan’s defintion of secularism shows paks have different definitions of secularism one for muslims and one for non-muslims. This is part of the pak aggression.

All idiot n monkey worshipers oh sorry elephant worshipers got it wrong again ten arm n three leg wroshipers sorry idol worshipers lol. Go and sort your monkey religion out first and give everyone equal rights and specilay to those untouchables to you the dalits are untounables so give your own bredrens their rights first.Only after that their might a ray of hope that the minorties in India will get there human rights. Till that does not hapen india is only good at –spreading the HIV disease – Opressing kashmris – Medlling in neighouring countries internal affiar – a country full of hindu fantacics and war mongers – you indian are so liberal that started buring NOKIA offices because their GPS showed the truth as –I bet you cant wait to hear it — k – showing IOK – indian occupied kashmir as part of Pakistan. Thats how liberal you are.Let me tell all idiots Kashmir is part of Pakistan —– In flesh- In geography- In next of kin- In Blood- In religion- and the will of ALL kashmiris is to be with Pakistan or Independent depending on where is the majority but I can ASSURE all idiots they will NOT even a get A vote from even one kashmiris to say they want to be part of you.Even then if you can NOT get in your THICK heads that kashmri is for kashmris and kasmiris are for indepnedent. Even the cries of all eledrs and even the younf blood shouting in one voice for AZADI and now as a kashmiri I have even spelt it for you what the kashmiris want and I bet still you will turn your face the other way. Because truth hurts and to these monkeys it hrts even more and can NOT stand hearing in the valey – Kashmir banay ga PAKISTAN OR AZADI by the way it means freedon azadi if you idiots did NOT know.So get a reality check and stop opressing the minorties or one day we will do the same as what hapened to your BEST freind the USSR remember khatris lol…..

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@chirkutPakistan is secular because it elected secular politicians into power in all four provinces during the 18/02/08 elections.Even the supposedly “fanatical” NWFP voted the secular ANP into power.For all its troubles,Pakistan has always rejected the power of the mullah.When have they ever controlled Pakistan?NEVER!!India on the other hand,is secular only in name.I mean,Pakistan has never even HAD a religiously fanatical government….but in India you can actually be a rabble raising fanatic who wins NATIONAL ELECTIONS!! This was the scene when the BJP was voted into power in 1998 amidst much fanfare & celebration.Based on this evidence,one can conclude that Pakistan has always rejected religious influence in politics while its southern neighbour had embraced it & adored it.

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@ rajeevFYI, I dont even remember the last time I went to a mosque…and I am a lifelong Pakistani who has always lived there.Pakistanis are largely a serene & peaceful lot who reject the mix of religion & politics…the country is 98% made up of moderates who reject the Talbn & have no desire to live under Islamic law.You can be(a)Pakistani(b)secular(c)a patriotall at the same time. I know,because I am living proof of one :)

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@Ali,Aren’t you worship a concrete walls? and creating a noise pollution in neighbors?

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@Ali,We understand your sentiments, everyone know how much it pains to a kid when the toy is taken away.But you must also understand and control your feelings for your obsession over the toy belongs to others’, and asking them or claiming them is really unhealthy and really it is injurious to life….ASSURE all idiots they will NOT even a get A vote from even one kashmiris to say they want to be part of you…..–BOY GROW UP, there is an elected Minister in Kashmir now, and they got majority of votes.Did the world evidenced any voting or election in you so called IOK?The truth is bitter and it really hurts, well all were hearing about this but now you have shown yourself as an example to all.Cheers,

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…Pakistan is a secular democracy,which elected SECULAR POLITICIANS into power in all four provinces…even in the NWFP which is considered a hotbed of radicalism by outsiders…Do we have any non-muslim politician who is ruling? I guess it was a dream of Jinnha to have Pakistan as a secular nation, sadly that was shattered quiet a long time ago.

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“All idiot n monkey worshipers oh sorry elephant worshipers got it wrong again ten arm n three leg wroshipers sorry idol worshipers lol.”Haha some paki ass on fire I guess.Ali Next time when you throw stones at your father Mr. Devil in mecca, make sure he don’t slap you.

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[...] in the FATA.  In fact, there is reason to believe that the Tehrik-i-Taliban has as many as a division of fighters in Swat. The governor of Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province has been quoted as saying that there are [...]

It will be evident sometime tomorrow that they will definitely knock Gilani & Zardari’s door at midnight.

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I had seen violent protests in Pakistan against Danish Cartoons. I would love to see at least a Pakistani in the street protesting against the Talibanization of SWAT.

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@Mitchell,Indeed they protested, didn’t you see here: http://www.jamaat.org/news/2009/Jan/24/1 002.html the only difference is it’s not protesting against the Taliban of SWAT but DRONES on SWAT ;-)BTW It should require a lot of courage to protest against Taliban who are just 140kms away from Islamabad!!!I hope your wish come true :)

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A bunch of juveniles.Are you Pakistani blogers belong to some madrasa or what, argue as much and for as long as you want but disrespecting some one religion is not part of the game.How would you feel if some body talks vulgar languages towards Mohammad or Allah?Part of being a true Muslim is to have a common respect to all beliefs and you Pakistanis have lost every thing to include manners.

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Sanjeev,The scenario in Pakistan is highly frightening, very scary, how far the international community will be affected but India as next door neighbour definitely bearing the brunt of this , recent Mumbai attack is the probable demonstration. These jobless terrorists after Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and increased pressure from US and other international community in Afghanistan, are out of work , they are turning towards India and sometime staging action inside Pakistan like Frankenstein monsters . So far thankfully , the nuclear arsenals have not fallen into the hands of these terrorists , which otherwise might have led to a global catastrophe. As Pakistan has failed to reign in these terrorists , it is duty of international community to put an end to these terrorists .

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Mitchell,Poverty is the biggest enemy of muslims, incidentally some of the most poorest in the world live in muslim countries, like Pakistan, Bangaldesh,Afghanistan etc , why shouldn’t somebody in the muslim world raise voice against poverty, illiteracy , lack of medical care,economic development, creation of employment opportunities etc . Saudi Arabia is reported to have been spending over USD 100 billion every year to spread madrassas all over the world, this money could have been better spent to alleviate the poverty and improve the life of muslims all over the world , to create economic opportunities, employment etc . This could have made world a lot safer place.

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To:Ali, Uair, Afghan and others ,The biggest problem in the world is not jingoism , but poverty , illiteracy , economic development, employment opportunities , incidentally the poorest in the world live in muslim countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Somalia etc , unemployed and poor youths are the biggest breeding grounds of Al Queda, Talibans and other jehadi groups . The religious fanatics and jehadi elements exploit these misguided youths in the name of religion, prompt them to become suicide bombers in the name of jehad . I suggest to all that instead of wasting time and energy on discussing irrelevant issues like religion , we should discuss the ways and means to help alleviate poverty, and economic development to prevent growth of jehadi elements, to prevent the mullahs and other religious fanatics to exploit these unemployed youths in the name of religion and jehad.

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I had seen violent protests in Pakistan against Danish Cartoons. I would love to see at least a Pakistani in the street protesting against the Talibanization of SWAT.- Posted by mitchellWhat? and get beheaded?! lol. Well maybe in Swat, but many groups have been protesting on the streets though they are mostly liberal groups, so just because they don’t get ‘outrageous’ coverage in the West, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Having nut jobs spew out hate protests makes for better TV than peaceful civil demonstrations in the media. However I’m currently in Karachi and the growing number of Sunni moderates who are leaning towards the extreme interpretations of Wahabism,Salafism,Deobandism,etc. is alarming.

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Saf,If genuine people’s voice are suppressed and if they are not propagated through proper channels,then the nation is half dead-it is heading towards a Fascist rule..

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Saf,If genuine people’s voice are suppressed and if they are not propagated through proper channels,then the nation is half dead-it is heading towards a Fascist rule..- Posted by mitchellNo disagreement here. What we can gouge from Pakistan’s media, enjoying a couple of years of freedom, is that there’s still a variety of expressions, differing opinions and a fight to stay alive. Hoping for the best…

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Saf,This is what some bloggers were underscoring. You are not free to say/do what is right because of the brutal reprisal (why to be beheaded, you asked). This is the reason why others called your a nation a failed state- the Government’s inability to protect civil rights. Not because it’s a poor country. The reasons you cited pretty much come under fundamentalism, I’m afraid. You only can change your country, not others. Look at what happened in Iraq- 5 yrs after liberation they have not settled down for a peaceful democracy, again fundamentalism is the underlying obstacle.

Hi Azad,Actually I’m in Karachi, so I can get away with saying stuff. I’m online aren’t I? The beheading comment I made was a joke (perhaps a bad one). I think you maybe believing its everywhere, but fortunately (or unfortunately, its how u like to see it) Taliban are at a few parts of the country. I do however get your point. Its creeping from the North/West and no one in their wildest dreams ever thought Swat would be taken over by fanatics.No its both. Pak is being called a failed state because of the lack of civil rights protection AND poverty. Many reasons. We have the resources,the industries,the infrastructure, but…Actually…Iraq has somewhat settled down. I know I should be happy…but I’m depressed that they ‘look’ like they’re doing better. The reasons for their fundamentalism were years of locked up angst.Our tsunami of fundamentalism started from the 80′s onwards however there were inherited issues since Ayub’s time. Many obstacles…again hoping for the best, because I can change only so much.

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The only folks whose heads are being chopped off for opposing the Taliban are the ones who have the misfortune to residen in Taliban-infected areas. That does not make Pakistan a “failed state”. Pakistan is trying to stop these Afghan-imported, heroin-funded, India-trained militants.

As the news says, those militants r earning more than the Pakistani soldiers!So, people! Use your heads..Who do u think is paying them? Who is supplying them with such modern technology?? Obviously no one person or organization can do that so easily. Its the enemy states of Pakistan, India n Israel who r supplying the money and equipment to these fighters. And another interesting fact, none of the fighters r natives of FATA. Infact they r of Central Asian origin!This is all part of a great conspiracy against Pakistan!

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@As the news says, those militants r earning more than the Pakistani soldiers!So, people! Use your heads..Who do u think is paying them? Who is supplying them with such modern technology?? Obviously no one person or organization can do that so easily. Its the enemy states of Pakistan, India n Israel who r supplying the money and equipment to these fighters. And another interesting fact, none of the fighters r natives of FATA. Infact they r of Central Asian origin!This is all part of a great conspiracy against Pakistan!- Posted by Muhammad Rizwan Malik–Militants are not only surviving they are thriving and India and Israel cannot achieve this.Here is a useful article, intelligence reports and much more to it. There are other links as well, try those too.http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/ NSAEBB227/index.htm

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Muhammad Rizwan Malik:More on Pakistan role in promoting Taliban-just a little sample:”The most explosive question about the Taliban resurgence here along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is this: Have Pakistani intelligence agencies been promoting the Islamic insurgency?”“The government of Pakistan vehemently rejects the allegation and insists that it is fully committed to help American and NATO forces”“Western diplomats in both countries and Pakistani opposition figures say that Pakistani intelligence agencies — in particular the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence and Military Intelligence — have been supporting a Taliban restoration”“More than two weeks of reporting along this frontier, including dozens of interviews with residents on each side of the porous border, leaves little doubt that Quetta is an important base for the Taliban, and found many signs that Pakistani authorities are encouraging the insurgents, if not sponsoring them.”“One former Taliban commander said in an interview that he had been jailed by Pakistani intelligence officials because he would not go to Afghanistan to fight. He said that, for Western and local consumption, his arrest had been billed as part of Pakistan’s crackdown on the Taliban in Pakistan. Former Taliban members who have refused to fight in Afghanistan have been arrested — or even mysteriously killed — after resisting pressure to re-enlist in the Taliban, Pakistani and Afghan tribal elders said.”“The Pakistanis are actively supporting the Taliban,” declared a Western diplomat in an interview in Kabul. He said he had seen an intelligence report of a recent meeting on the Afghan border between a senior Taliban commander and a retired colonel of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence.”“Pakistanis and Afghans interviewed on the frontier, frightened by the long reach of Pakistan’s intelligence agencies, spoke only with assurances that they would not be named. Even then, they spoke cautiously.”The Pakistani military and intelligence services have for decades used religious parties as a convenient instrument to keep domestic political opponents at bay and for foreign policy adventures, said Husain Haqqani, a former adviser to several of Pakistan’s prime ministers and the author of a book on the relationship between the Islamists and the Pakistani security forces.“The religious parties recruited for the jihad in Kashmir and Afghanistan from the 1980s, when the Pakistani intelligence agencies ran the resistance by the mujahedeen and channeled money to them from the United States and Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, Mr. Haqqani said.”“In return for help in Kashmir and Afghanistan the intelligence services would rig votes for the religious parties and allow them freedom to operate, he said.”“The religious parties provide them with recruits, personnel, cover and deniability,” Mr. Haqqani said in a telephone interview from Washington, where he is now a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.”“The Inter-Services Intelligence once had an entire wing dedicated to training jihadis, he said. Today the religious parties probably have enough of their own people to do the training, but, he added, the I.S.I. so thoroughly monitors phone calls and people’s movements that it would be almost impossible for any religious party to operate a training camp without its knowledge.”http://www.nytimes.com/2007  /01/21/world/asia/21quetta.html?pagewan ted=print

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@ RajeevI cant deny your findings. I admit.But that was years ago. The world has changed a lot after 9/11 and Mr. Musharraf. The jihadi organizations have been banned all over Pakistan and their assets have been frozen.Tell me something, do you know how many soldiers Pakistan has sacrificed for USA in the tribal areas in the name of this war against terrorism?? +1600! More than what US has sacrificed in Afghanistan!Pakistan has been fully committed to the war against terrorism and has infact handed over +600 Pakistanis’ to the CIA n FBI for their alleged affiliations to al qaeda and taliban. Those ppl then landed in Gunatanamo Bay!ISI is part of the Pakistan Army. So its wrong to suggest that it has helped the taliban which is tentamount to saying dat ISI has itself been involved in killing its soldiers which is a total lie.

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