Afghanistan and the breakdown of the balance of power

January 27, 2009

Keeping track of the many countries with a stake in Afghanistan — and the shifting alliances between them — is beginning to feel awfully like one of those school history lessons when you were supposed to understand the complex and tenuous balance of power whose breakdown led to World War One.

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer became the latest to call for a regional solution to Afghanistan when he said this week that the United States and its NATO allies must directly engage with Iran if they are to win the war there. “If we are going to succeed in this game, we need to be playing on the right field,” he said. “And that means a more regional approach. To my mind we need a discussion that brings in all the relevant regional players: Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, China, Russia and, yes, Iran.”

The idea of seeking Iran’s cooperation as part of a regional strategy for Afghanistan has been around for a while, as I have discussed in previous posts here, here and here. It gained currency during the U.S. presidential campaign among foreign policy analysts looking for an alternative to the policies of former president George W. Bush. But what seems to be new is a certain realpolitik creeping into the discussion after the inauguration of President Barack Obama turned a subject for debate into one of actual policy decisions.

Shi’ite Iran has reasons to cooperate with the United States over Afghanistan. It is deeply suspicious of the hardline Sunni ideology of the Taliban which regards Shi’ites as apostates. But at the same time, among the issues up for discussion is how far the United States and Iran can find common ground, given Washington’s concerns about Tehran’s nuclear programme and backing for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Then even if Washington were to find an accommodation with Iran over Afghanistan, where would Russia – one of the other regional players seen as crucial to a regional solution — fit into the picture?  According to this piece in Eurasia, Moscow might act to undermine any rapprochement between the United States and Iran, fearing this would damage its commercial interests and threaten its stranglehold on gas supplies to Europe.

Russia in turn seems to be flirting with China, by suggesting that the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation could play a bigger role in stabilising Afghanistan, as discussed in this post. Like Iran, Russia is expected to demand a price for help over Afghanistan which in Moscow’s case may include less ardent support for NATO aspirants Ukraine and Georgia and a review of the missile shield due to be set up in the Czech Republic and Poland.

And just in case Obama missed the point, the Moscow Times spelled it out in an op-ed before his inauguration. “Afghanistan may well define your foreign policy legacy the way Iraq defined Bush’s. You will need all the support you can muster, including from Iran. You will also need Russia’s support. Moscow understands that the stability of its southern flank will hugely depend on what happens on the Hindu Kush mountain range in eastern Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan. But Moscow is torn between giving support to the West and preparing for the West’s withdrawal from Afghanistan. The latter would mean cutting deals with the Taliban locally and relying on China strategically. You can help Russia make the right choice.”

As if all that was not complicated enough, the attack on Mumbai in November last year has soured relations between India and Pakistan, dashing hopes that by improving relations between the two countries the United States might reduce tensions in Afghanistan, where both have competed for influence.

In the early years of the last century, it took only the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo to show the weakness of the balance of power that had held the peace until then. So what do we make of today’s shifting allegiances? No more than the bedding down of a new century, and the jostling for influence under a newly elected U.S. administration? Or a cause for fear?

(Photos by Bob Strong in Afghanistan)

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Afghanistan has a long way to go in just providing the basic facilities in food,water,health,law & order and education.

Can its neighboring countries provide this much or just use it for a proxy again?

Posted by Saf | Report as abusive

Except Afghans,every other nationals-Pakistanis,Russians,Americans, Iranians,Arabians- played a vital role in destroying Afghanistan-a nation,which once claimed that it was one among the territories that was not colonized by any colonizers.

Posted by mitchell | Report as abusive

The Afghanistan Cauldron ! Thank God there are no Martians, or else Mr. Scheffer would have added them too…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

All external players….

What about the mythically resilient tenacious Afghan???

Are they going to melt their swords into plows??

An entire generation has radical islami whsipered into their ears will they change overnight or the guerilla war continue?

This time around pakistan may not openly support taliban but taliban is already reached Quetta and Karachi in Pakistan and already may enjoy public support.

Fankly the more I think about this, the more hopeless it looks.

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“To: Mitchell & indian1127″

Afghanistan’s all neighboring countries are mentioned more than two times in above article but Pakistan,

I absolutely agree with Mitchell stating “quote”
“Except Afghans, every other nationals-Pakistanis, Russians, Americans, Iranians, Arabians- played a vital role in destroying Afghanistan-a nation, which once claimed that it was one among the territories that was not colonized by any colonizers.”

International community needs to put more pressure on Pakistan now to stop cross border terrorism to Afghanistan since all the supply routes are being reviewed and US will no longer depend on Pakistan as far as supplies are concern. Pakistan is the reason for destabilizing the region. There are 15000 Taliban in Swat valley only. Pakistan is an evil country and its people are the evildoers. They teach the side of Islam that in reality it doesn’t exist. They have recruited generations of terrorists and the only people who suffer from it are poor and miserable people of Afghanistan and India.

Afghans are tired of war, killings, poverty, lack of education and being left out in a 3rd world.

1980s Afghanistan was the first country in the region whether if it was to sent her first astronaut (Abdul Ahad) to space with Russians where all her neighbor countries didn’t have a clue about what astronaut was or being regions first country to have a female pilot. We thrived at one time, there are thousands of similar examples that a lot of people don’t know about Afghanistan.

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On Afghan’s “1980s Afghanistan was the first country in the region whether if it was to sent her first astronaut (Abdul Ahad) to space with Russians where all her neighbor countries didn’t have a clue about what astronaut was or being regions first country to have a female pilot. We thrived at one time, there are thousands of similar examples that a lot of people don’t know about Afghanistan.”

—–Absolutely true and how unfortunate. An Afghanistani lady who left Afgahnsitan 3 decades ago was feeling so nostalgic about all the Good things about Afghanistan, the beauty of Kabul and the beautiful gardens. Sadly, with eastward spread of this Taliban and militancy, I am afraid that people from other countries like Pakistan might say “Pakistan once had…..”. Afghanistan seems like a sacred book everyone reads but does not learn anything from it.

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Afghan wrote:
They have recruited generations of terrorists and the only people who suffer from it are poor and miserable people of Afghanistan and India.

Well friend,
The poor they kill the poorer they become.
The miserable they make the miserable they become.

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“Rajeev”

Well said brother.
It is the time to finally knock down these terrorist who are the reason for killings of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and India.
Terrorist and those who support them should be destroyed and humiliated to a point where no body find the remaining of them.

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Afghan and blogger

I hope this current scenario is the climax of the happy ending for all (too hopeful!). Its NOW or NEVER for Pakistan for a number of reasons. Picture of this whole region minus US/NATO looks pathetic horrible. All hell will break lose if Pakistan cannot stop whatever chess game they are playing, before US/NATO leave (if they will ever, which they will–history shows that). So it is for Pakistan’s own good and existence and for a common Pakistani that Pak makes a sincere U-turn and finish the monsters they created. It is high time for them to make it or break it.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Its really said to see what these wretched people of Pakistan have done to Afghanistan.

After reading this blog i was wondering why Pakistan is so hell bent on destabilizing Afghanistan for so long.
Than i came across a youtube video by Zaid Hamind.
(Search with Zaid Discuss Afghan war History &Pakistan Strategy on youtube)
Caution: This Zaid Hamid is the same nutcase who said that mumbai is done by Hindu Zionist. So plz make sure to read between the lines.

Here is the brief:
Under duress, the Aghans were made to accept durand line as the border of British india. But after partition the British India made way to Independent India and Pakistan. And Hence in 1949 Afghan loya Jirga declared the durand line invalid as it was a pact made with British and not Pakistanis. Consequently a stable and strong Afghanistan would have threatened Pakistan’s occupation of NWFP, FATA and Baluchistan. And hence Pakistan started using terrorism as part of its foreign policy to destabilize Afghanistan. And after that came Soviet and Americans and then taliban. Pakistan still want to have influence in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghans don’t start demanding back Balochistan and NWFP. Because the durand line has artificially divided the Pashtuns, the line is not accepted by Pashtuns on either side of the border.

See how Pakistan is using terrorism on both her neighbors to gain territory and foment trouble.

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Chirkut

One needs to learn Multi tasking from ISI–but only destructive. these guys are super–but dumb to core if they don;t know sometimes you got to stop this nonsense.

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It is almost saddening to see that only now people are taking note of the ‘region’. It does not take a genius to see how neighbors play a part in settling disputes or initiating them. A clear defeat for all of the diplomatic world if they NOW realize that the region has to be taken into confidence.

And there is talk of small parts of Pakistan taken over by the Taliban. And that Karachi has taliban safehouses as well! Such ludicrous claims are only defend-able on TV shows & newspapers, as there is hardly anyone giving the counter argument. One should visit these places, or talk to people from that area, to gain an insight, rather than just tow a line someone happened to place in your hands.

Yes, there are taliban elements in northern parts of Pakistan. Not because CNN or NYT says so, but because people fleeing from villages claim that. In any given village, there is a single house of a taliban – anyone ‘telling on them’ is treated quickly and brutally. Raiding single houses by armed forces is the only thing that works – sometimes.

And the talk of talibans in Karachi is exceptionally biased. No such thing exists – and the proof people present to show ‘talibanization’ of Karachi, can be used to prove nazi-ism, racism and few other ‘isms’ in the white house – or any other place. Just not true.

Sorry, Momekh, but Tehrik-e-Taliban DID open an office in the middle of Karachi (though I think they were cracked down on). And hate graffiti along with SSP’s name have been sprawled on city walls once again.

The concept of Taliban isn’t restricted to Shalwar-Kameez Pathans from the North. Middle class educated Pakistanis from all provinces have been swayed by Sunni extremist Wahabi/Salafi/Deobandi/Nasibi teachings. In Quetta, sectarian violence has sprung up again as Lashkar-i-Jhangvi committed another assassination of a Shia scholar after a couple of weeks killing 4 police officers.

In short, Karachi has survived and progressed through the Musharraf years, after the 90′s decade of extremism. But these extremist school of thoughts linger as you’ll notice more long beards than ever before in Karachi and further segmentation of religious groups (Hari pugri wala, Kaal Pugri wala, Ahl-e-Sunnah, Ahl-e-Hadith,etc.) to which people seem to feel a connection with.

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“Chirkut”

This is the reason why Afghanistan never accepted the state of Pakistan in 1947. Former President Dr. Najibullah was hanged in a public square in Kabul in 1996 by Taliban. Investigation reveals that ISI wanted him to sign some documents pertaining to Durand Line and with his refusal he was hanged.

Under duress, the Afghans were made to accept Durand line as the border of British India. But after partition the British India made way to Independent India and Pakistan. And Hence in 1949 Afghan loya Jirga declared the Durand line invalid as it was a pact made with British and not Pakistanis. Consequently a stable and strong Afghanistan would have threatened Pakistan’s occupation of NWFP, FATA and Baluchistan. And hence Pakistan started using terrorism as part of its foreign policy to destabilize Afghanistan. And after that came Soviet and Americans and then Taliban. Pakistan still wants to have influence in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghans don’t start demanding back Baluchistan and NWFP. Because the Durand line has artificially divided the Pashtuns, the line is not accepted by Pashtuns on either side of the border.

Frequent press statements from 2005 to 2007 by Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf calling for the building of a fence delineating the Afghanistan/Pakistan border have been met with resistance from numerous political parties and the government of Afghanistan.

One thing is for certain. Afghans would take revenge back from Pakistan doesn’t matter in which fashion but its coming. There is enough hatred in afghan hearts toward Pakistan that the entire nation would volunteer to fight this terrorist country.

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The easy way out of any problem is point the finger cross the border. Lets agree to disagree that Pakistan had n have intrest in Afghnistan and to some extent should burden the blame for the unrest in that country so does India and Afghnistan all neighours. For example this Mumbai incident for the current Government in India, the best out of this shameful security failure would have had a huge impact. But in order to stay in power and remembering the elections in India are not that far away it was the easiest option to hold Pakistan accountable. Almost anything bad happens to India the blame is automaticly on Pakistan.

Pakistanis/Kashmiris have been suffering what you have only tasted in Mumbai for long time. Countless sucide bombings in every city of Pakistan clearly targeting innocent pakistani civilians as well as the miliatry. The Pakistani nation has sacrificed more soldeirs in this war on terror the any any other country fighting this war and other effects e.g. ecnomicly, image, writ of the government and many more.

So the people of Pakistan n the newly elected democratic government of Pakistan is also 100% dedicated to this war. The people sitting comfortbly in London, Washington, Delhi to demand more from the Pakistan. I think enough is enough we have a problem we can solve it doesnt matter what the cost will be. But these drone attacks only play into the hands of the fanatics they use it to enhance their properganda that USA is against Muslims and therfore it is very easy to brain wash the uneducated young men who has no hope.

If the world is sincere then they need to help this newly elected government and STOP these drone attacks. As the Gen Kiayni has said we are already doing enough anymore demands we will simply get out of this war. Even the Americans know without Pakistan there will be no stability in Afghnistan or the tribal areas so the wise and best option is work with the Pakistanis. Surely except for few idiots no one wants to see a unstable Pakistan.

For all the idiots your country has poped its nose in every neighouring country e.g. sri lanka, Bangladesh, nepal, afghnistan and even Pakistan supporting anti pakistan elements. So look inside yourself first it was indians who helped Northern alliance and always had so stop being childish either come clean or shut your filthy mouths. If you think you can play the game well we have made the game so we know how to play it but BETTER then you.

I wonder why you are NOT blaming Pakistan for the Gujrat, Babri Mosque, burning of Churches, Forceful conversition of chritians, treatment of dalits, HIV, Hunger n poverty, unhealthy babies and over 50 sepratist movements in different parts of india. Dont worry take your time as you need it to fabricate your story.

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Afghan-

You need to get a apPoinment with the mental hospital. On one side you complain like a little school boy the fighters are coming from

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

aaah u little mouring Northern Alliance muppet Afghan shame on you. Lets get the facts right it was your tribes fighting each other for power which destroyed most of your infrastructure but ofcourse with the help of the russians. So STOP crying boy its time to get bit more education and help your country practicaly rather then being a bufoon on this reuters and wasting your time oh i forgot you lot dont have value for time kos of you knew its 2009 maybe you would use your little fingers n energy you have left in you to help your country.

Rather then being a slave to the indian idiots as well to your masters in the West and the muppet leader of your country sorry mayor of kabul. Who has been hiding in the hole till the talibans were around in Quetta lol.
Brave Afghan my foot the brave ones have laid their lives fighting the russians n their allies the idiots and the one has beenleft are well ike you perfect example lol.

So go and get a life but for that you might have to migrate agian to Pakistan as thats the only country that gives you poor afghans shelter and feed you. But you unthankful mupets bite the same hand that feeds you.

If you dont help yourself even the International community will pull out surely how long will they stay there to help you. Learn to helpurself first and feed yourself.

Since you blame all the wrongs of the afghans on pakis simple we blame all the wrongdoing on you. Most of the guys who detonate bombs I wonder where to they get sheletr offcourse in afghanistan.

Anyway if you cant guard your borders even eith the help of the superpower I think thats your problem. By not agreeing to have a fence on the border you lot help the terrorist to slip into either side of the border.

By the way no one can used agianst anyone, unless they choose to be blind begggars, which you do. First you afghans sold your country to Russians with the help of your beloved neighour India. Also only people to seel thereself to indians so get a life and stop blame us like little crying babies.

Posted by paki pathan | Report as abusive

Ali,

it does no good if you sidestep what Afghan feels towards our country and counter blame India, like the pot calling the kettle black. HIV and poverty are also issues affecting our country. And India’s backing of the Northern Alliance would was actually more sensible than us backing the Taliban, though they too were not short of war lords.

Afghan, I know what u mean bro. I know enough Afghan people who used to be refugees in Pak but had a horrible living experience. For example not speaking Urdu. This is one of many small or big issues that has created resentment in your and others hearts. There’s so much more that I realize most of my brethren don’t, such as ISI’s past influence. But take heart that there are some people who’ve been thankful for the second chance in Pakistan.

But now is a time to rebuild. Currently there are three main problems in Afghanistan. The ability of the fighters to cross back and forth. And as you’ve noticed that has a historical issue so you can understand patrolling such a border, either real or imagined, is a monumental task. The corruption in the current Karzai setup and delays in development. NATO civilian casualties which undermines the hearts and minds.

However there’s been a greater backlash now in Pakistan and the greater violence is not in Afghanistan but in Pakistan of neo-Talibans and others trying to impose their brand of Sharia law (if they even know what it is). And if you notice there’s a new urgency to tackle these threats compared to before. It seems your ‘revenge’ has already taken fruit, though mostly of our own making.

Consider this an extended hand for moving forward and better times. We can’t pass on our resentments to the next generation, otherwise they’ll be just inheriting a mess they didn’t cause.

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“ALI”

First you have problem with the entire world blaming Pakistan for spreading terrorism across the region and secondly you beg to US not to bomb your country (US don’t give a rats ass) and third you are confused who to blame for the bombings that take place inside Pakistan killing the new generation of terrorism that are also known as Pakistanis.
It is you’re terrorist people hunting you down no need for others to wipe you out of the earth.

Defense secretary gates has said this Morning that US drone attacks will continue in Pakistan so make sure you find some hide out for Osama bin Laden and all your guests including your entire terrorist nation.

What’s surprising is that you are a filthy Pakistani who have totally forgotten the strength of an Afghan. Go and ask your history teacher he may help you out only if he teaches in a civilized school not in Madrasa. Lol

You are right, you started the game and it’s our turn to finish it.

You are a pure example of a Madrasa. Hahah unfortunately they don’t teach you Manners or the ways how to act in a civilized world.
The only thing that’s injected in your tiny brain is terrorism and how to hate non Muslim. You Pakistanis are a shame for the name of Islam. It is because of you people what all the Muslims of the world going through. You are the route of all evil.

Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance will hunt you down.

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Afghan

—Beware of the smooth talking Pakistani more than the dumb-witted crude types…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

I think it was a myth created by Pakistan that Afghans always fight intruders. They were quite happy with Soviets and seem equally comfortable with Americans and Nato. Its good India has made them a highway to Iran, that will reduce drugs coming from there and smuggling of electronics item to be sold back in Pakistan.

Posted by Munzir | Report as abusive

@Ali,
…Almost anything bad happens to India the blame is automaticly on Pakistan…

– Right said, cos Indians never bomb our own nation, like you’re guys are doing.

BTW we do have a festival for bombs and crackers, we have never blamed Pakistan for that ;)

Probably Pakistan must change its name to Phekistan lol

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Ali,

Sorry, Pakistan is simply not qualified to fit for that post, however said that doesn’t mean Pakistan is not poking it’s nose in those activities (Backdoor entry) after all unemployment is very high….

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Myra
for your ref:
‘the US State Department categorically clarified that Kashmir is not in the mandate of Holbrooke.

“Well, it’s not in his (Holbrook’s) mandate … To deal with the subject of Kashmir. His mandate is to go out and try to help bring stability to Afghanistan, working closely with Pakistan to try to deal with the situation in the Federally-Administered Tribal Area (FATA),” State Department spokesman Robert Wood told reporters yesterday in response to a query.’

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Anup, thanks. I had seen the U.S. State Department comment. But in this post I was trying to capture the idea that everything is up for grabs now that the unipolar world which has dominated since the end of the Cold War is breaking down.

So even if Holbrooke is focused on Afghanistan and Pakistan, will he not be compelled to master all the other issues – from Iran to Russia to China to India — if he is going to stay on top of it?

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Anup,
Really these Pakistanis are unpredictable. When India has a clear stand not to involve any third world for this issue, why are they still having hopes to pull third country.
I mean the Zardari’s comments at this juncture.. really astonishing. I sometime doubt whether Zardari is really playing a double game with Pakistan and US?
Comparing Kashmir to Palestine ahh… statesmanship.

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Myra
The US State Dept.’s comment appear to be quite clear about Holbrooke’s assignment,but he’ll end-up ineffective if he spreads himself thin, & personally, with regards to Afghanistan, I forsee America facing more trouble from it’s NATO allies than from other quarters…

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Since there seems to be a lot of interest in expanding the scope of Holbrooke why not include the Chinese occupation of Tibet in his agenda?

@Raj
Yes you are right in saying that China also has a stake in stability of Afghanistan and eradication of Terrorism originating from Pakistan.
But probably not because of Tibet but because of Xingjiang province. Pakistani bred terrorism in creating mayhem in the whole region namely Afghanistan, India, China(Xingjian) and Russia (chechenya).

Terrorism in Xingjian could be one of the driving factor of China not vetoing the JuD ban.

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@Anup
After reading the Zardari letter the first thing that come to my mind is a song from old Ankhein where mehmood sang

“De De Allah ke naam pe de de baba…International Fakhir aaye hain”

2nd one
Ek toh chori oopar se seena jori..

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Afghan

—Beware of the smooth talking Pakistani more than the dumb-witted crude types…
- Posted by Anup

Honestly, Anup, what’s with the hate and hostility?

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Saf
The oppressed shall understand it as Alertness, preservation instinct- the oppressor as hate & hostility, hindrance…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

You Northern Alliance muppet shut your mouth because you might bleach my hair with that bad breath lol.

We are beggers? ok and what does that make you afghans (scum of the earth)who smuggle even flour for nans from pakistan. What i mean you lot are so incompotent can NOT even feed your people without suggling hundreds of trucks loaded with pakistano goods. Now if i kep a dog and fed him he would be faithful now the same can NOT be said of a Afghan you lot will sell yur daugthers just for sum money. Dont belive me when you have money in your pocket put this coment to practice.

You sold your country, soul, to the russians n indians. But when the pakis use you, u want to bite lol. You afghans are no ones friends who ever offers you more money you lot are rtheir mupets and this is a fact.

When you take about brave afghans belive me they aint people like you, i bet you are cross breed betwen russians n afghan i can tell and plz dont take it to heart i understand. Not your fault is it>?

By the you have picked quickly how to bark like a real stray dog and carry on lol. You make me laugh with your jackal like views oh my forefathers were this n that you are buch of poppy groweers who have gifted the world with drugs and pakistan with arms, terrorist sympthisers so go to hell all we care.

Personly I think we should kick every afghan out of our country as they most corupt unapricating, sellouts, who needs them. Stop crying about pak helping if you so concerend put a fence on the border or ask your allies USA to help you patrol the borders.

First get on your feet then walk, run after all this do the talk at this moment all you lot are bunch of sell outs with a sell out leader so go to hell lol.

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Saf
The oppressed shall understand it as Alertness, preservation instinct- the oppressor as hate & hostility, hindrance…
- Posted by Anup

Riiiiiight…I see…awkwarrrdddd…well, nice Biblical analogy but how did I, Saf, oppress you, Anup, exactly?

Everyone, please free to jump in and correct whatever cultural or ‘oppressive’ mistake I’ve committed.

Anyways if I’ve offended you, unprovoked, Anup, then I apologize. Otherwise there’ll be no point in continuing posting and best we just ignore each other.

Ali. Not classy at all. I’m guessing the average age here is below 20? I’m surprised how Reuters lets any of these insults through.

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Saf

Well, you do identify yourself as the ‘oppressor’,& it’s you who jumped to the ‘hate & hostility’ conclusion, what i meant was plain awareness…
Biblical analogy??? did i say anything about good-evil? angel-devil? Duh…

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“Ali”

I read your remarks to the end and it shows how angry and how helpless you were typing your comments.
If Calling me all the names in the book makes you happy than go ahead and do so. It really doesn’t make any different to me it just shows how narrow minded and how juvenile you are.
You can’t pretend that there is no sun by putting your hand in front of your eyes. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan and its people are the reason for the misery that all south Asian countries are going through. This is not what personally I believe but like I said this is the fact.
Life happens so don’t get too angry on facts that you can’t change and chill.
So what if you happen to be one of the Mullah Terrorists.
So what if the whole world is seeing your country and you people as the most hateful people on earth. Maybe it’s just a phrase that you people are going through and it will end when your nation ends.
Have a bliss day brother.

PS.

“Saf”
You are very intellectual person. I like your views.

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Ek toh bikari oopar se chori..

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

Afghanistan is fake country.

Afghan you are saying the FACT is Pakistan is the cause of all problems in south asia. Ok you must have had few dvd’s copied ones from starnews to brainwash you i thought brainwashing is only for the mad mullahs hey i was so wrong lol.

As NATO spokesman commented your government is the MOST CORRUPT— sorry pakistan is behind it!

Brother of Hamid Karzai is suppose the the main drug dealer or profitting fro it — sorry Pakistan is behind it!!!

After 8 years of help from international community no health centres, roads or any new schools and the goverment is only controling kabul and mr karazi is dubbedthe MAYOR OF KABUL

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

Afghan you are saying the FACT is Pakistan is the cause of all problems in south asia. Ok you must have had few dvd\’s copied ones as well from starnews to brainwash you i thought brainwashing is only for the mad mullahs hey i was so wrong lol.

As NATO spokesman commented your government is the MOST CORRUPT— sorry pakistan is behind it!

Brother of Hamid Karzai is suppose the the main drug dealer or profitting from it — sorry Pakistan is behind it!!!

After 8 years of help from international community no health centres, roads or any new schools and the goverment is only controling kabul and mr karazi is dubbed the MAYOR OF KABUL- sorry pakistan is behind it.

Afghans selling there country to russians!!! oh pakistan was behind it!!!

Not recognising that pashtuns are majorty in that country but do not have any real representation in the government except for the puppet karzai whos days are also numbered and even his words he \”needs to do millions times better\”. Surely when yu are ging to ose your seat you remeber the normal afghans.

Yes we have our intrest and so does all the other neighours so what??? whats the big deal every country is there to look after its intrest. How can you be blame other when simply you lot want to bend over and get bumed by all the neighours surely that is also PAKISTANS problem lol hena.

one advise for GROW UP u poor afghan!!!

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Anitha,
to continue with yours…
Ek toh bikari oopar
se chori,
Besabri,
Mara mari,
Bemaari,
Berojgaari,
Bombaari
Kaise bachega Zardari….

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Ek toh bikari oopar se seena chori,
bamb bananeki Besabri,
public kare Mara mari,
Aatank karne ki Bemaari,
pata nahi keyse niptaye Berojgaari,
oopar se drone se Bombaari
Jo maardalke apni begum pyari
shytan kar raha hai sarkaary ghod savaari
Kaise bachgaya Zardari….

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Ali Last line for you,

Sub paki yonke samne shytan marraha hai khuda ke mooh pe pichkarri.

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

Ali and Afghan. You guys will be going back and forth on this forever.

Ali on this comment
“Yes we have our intrest and so does all the other neighours so what???”
Its true countries around the world have interests in their neighbors. However those interests are generally mutually beneficial for both countries. What Pakistan did by supporting the Taliban, was to create a proxy of fanatics and sidelining the other ethnicities of Afghanistan (who are also incidentally sidelined in our majority Pashtun province as well without any representation) also insuring no relationships with India out of spite. If we blast the US and India on their interests, surely we should do the same here as this was a very horrid policy.

Afghan, though resentment towards Pakistan is in its place, you should recognize now the onus is on the Afghans and now’s the time to surge as the militants are preoccupied in Pakistan. Personally I think Karzai’s been horrible. On top of which corruption has eeked through all new institutions including the Afghan army and police with the reports of abuse also still rampant. And I’m sure you’ve seen ‘Taxi to the Dark Side’ where an honest taxi driver, though tortured by the Americans, is betrayed by a pro-ally Afghan warlord.

All this is unacceptable. We must recognize our own weaknesses and of course the entire region’s. There’s no point in finger pointing (at least all the time) without taking action on our own soils. Notice bombings in Pakistan and Afghanistan have decreased, though militancy is still well and alive and we can’t be deluded that there’s a quiet population that may get ideologically exploited and burst.

What I’m saying is cool down the rhetoric and the degrading comments and realize the other man’s POV. It maybe wrong or a one sided view however but still needs to be examined. Anyways hope this helps bridge the animosity. For some reason I know I’m going to get flamed, just don’t know by whom yet. lol. I’ll take it in stride. ;)

Anitha:
I enjoyed the funny poems on Zardari. How I hate him. And I know you’re trying to get to Ali. However please try not to use slurs against all Pakistanis as it also hurts the sentiments of those who aren’t against you. Thanks.

Posted by Saf | Report as abusive

Along the lines of David and Goliath in the Bible, Anup. Not everything is demons and angels in there.

Yes, I found your statements hostile. But I didn’t identify myself as an ‘oppressor’. You did. Through your inferrence, that if a person found your statements hostile therefore is an ‘oppressor’.

And the ‘plain awareness’ was not a generalization. No, your ‘beware the smooth talking Pakistani’ (I’ll take it as a compliment) to Afghan was in regards to me, not a generalized statement. Clearly you distrust me and believe I have ‘WILY’ intentions with fabricated propaganda, as written in the other blog post. I assure EVERYONE here, I do not. This is not the first time I’ve been accused of it, as my own Pakistani brethren a couple of weeks ago thought I was an Indian masquerading as a Pakistani. You can check the backlog of comments under the names Saf and bigsaf. I won’t try to convince you Anup. But please stop attacking my character. Thanks.

Posted by Saf | Report as abusive

Saf
I perceive your initial post smirked of bias & had an underlying deceptive motive of putting down India, but if you say that it was not so your intentions, then, I,accept you words to be true & sincerely apologize for my retorts…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Anup,

Apology accepted. Understand, I will put down India every now and then. As I have my own country (most of the time) and other countries. I’m a critic by nature, however understand also I will also praise my own country (most of the time) and other countries and India.

Anyways lets get over it. I left a reply on the other blog post in regards to your reply to the BBC link I had posted. Feel free to criticize it if you want. Your 2007,2007,2007 in 2009 was funny.

Posted by Saf | Report as abusive

Saf, thank you for reading the poem..but the appreciation should to to “blogger”..Nice to have some rational thinking person like you to side pakistan.

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

Afghanistan is a cesspool bombed by the whole world.