Comments on: Miliband’s gift: stiffening Indian resolve over Pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Sufian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-12125 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:50:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-12125 knock knock!!!

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By: Sufian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11956 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:54:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11956 Rajeev,

Thanks a lot for being nice to me :) i wish almost bloggers must adopt your way of communication, this is the must and the far most thing in building any good relationship that you neglect negatives and come towards positives and share the commonalities on which both parties can agree, 1st of all congratulations to india for such a remarkable nuclear reactor business deal with france, wish you best of luck, bro i wish i cud do something for my country dill kerta hy kasam se aik khoon ki holi khailooon aur “rang de basanti” ker daloon in hukmranooon ki so that atleast we can do sumthing to make this country excel and towards progressive measurements instead of keep under the pressure of ****** USA …. i dont have words.

i dont know why ppl understand that there is no eternal life in this world so why not live this life in a way so that other ppl have atleast good memories for him/her and live this life for others instead for one’s ownself. life is the name of giving and living for others, sacrifice for others and try to give out more to others and i believe that’s a real spirit of living and only good can have internal satisfaction with it! Rajeev why not we should join hands and make some move to atleast among our circle of friends and i bet for sure that even a base or foundation which begins with a single drop or brick can be a river or fort of success and happiness one day!

As you said you believe in brotherhood then why not make is possible and start our this with a lil’ effort it need some push and i bet i can bring more rajeev in this ocean of brotherhood and peaceful communication and we can achieve atleast something before our lives will end!

so let’s begin…

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11951 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:50:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11951 Saf: Thank for the clarification.

Sufian: I heard you. Apologies accepted. Let us use blogging to express ourselves, discuss over the issues in a rational way— not fall prey to pre-conceived notions and be open to ideas. Practicing any faith/religion is one’s own prerogative, but the notion of superiority of one religion over the other is the basis of radicalism. Bad apples exist in all religions—neither you nor I should try to defend them. I got your point about “slaughtering of Muslims” yes unfortunately it has happened but how many incidents and how many places in India has that happened—look at the positive side too. TSo looking at this, your feeling that “living a coward life in India” is exagerated. No place/country is perfect–it is all relative and looking at the diversity of religion/culure/language, some problems are natural but remember there are lot more positives than negatives but it depends how one looks at it. My Iranian (Muslim) friend who studied in India and has been to many other countries, including USA. He told me one day that all said and done, India is the MOST democratic country (better than USA even) and anyone can do whatever he/she wants. He has seen problems in India and other places. There lot of deficiencies too but I am proud of the positives India has.

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By: Sufian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11925 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:15:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11925 thanks for responding Rajeev bro and Saf bhai,

i’m glad atleast we are sharing these things in a bit peaceful manner here but once again my apologies if any of my words hurt anyone feelings, i’m nothing and believe you people are better in god’s eye coz in islam we have been taught this thing that always treat the next person that he/she might be more closer to god then ownself, so once again plzz forgive me if any of my word hurt your feelings.

Thanks rajeev for welcoming me, b4 26/11 i had dreams to visit india :( but unfortunately these kinda incidents which specially hits the islam and muslims in such a way that i’m afraid of .. :( but i pray that inshALLAH the conditions wil be better in both countries so we can visit eachother and i also welcome you to pakistan, its not like what it seems in media and in news all around.

Saf:

Thanks for guessing exactly 101% right abt my commenting behaviour, these r my 1st ever posts to any blog and em not that much religious also i’m clean shaved person, watches bollywood, hollywood and listen to music also but the thing that atleast i firmly believe that there is success in what my religion rules abt living life.that’s y also count myself as in hell, so no worries we can meet there…

but for rajeev bro i’ll try to meet u in this world also, cudnt understand from where shud i start and where shud i end there is so much more to say and ask!

khair keepin in touch with you brothers, best of luck and may god bless you always!

Takecare!

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By: Saf http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11919 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:38:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11919 My mistake, Rajeev.

It was Indian1127.

My apologies for the false attribution.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11913 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:48:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11913 Saf:
Thanks for your last post.
“Actually there have been Muslims who’ve converted to Hinduism and the other religions, unlike Rajeev said that you can only be born Hindu.”
—Saf: Just a clarifiaction, did I say that one can only be born Hindu?

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By: Saf http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11873 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:25:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11873 Sufian,

Was this a serious attempt trying to convert Rajeev? A real bad attempt,if it was. Jehoshua Witnesses kids preaching door to door do better.

You’re last post was exaggerated,unintelligent and a defensive retreat. “Don’t want to be slaughtered in India because I’m Muslim”? What kind of parting shot was that? I’m sure Qadiyanis probably say the same thing in Pakistan.

You’re comments lacked cohesion for any kind of Dawaa. The comments were also an insight to radicalism and the wrong irrational and unobjective thinkings Pakistani folks have fallen into. You’re not religious. You’re superstitious. And apparently it seemed that Rajiv knew Pakistan’s history and you didn’t…nor did you prove to know more about Hinduism than Rajeev. What was surprising was your quick frustration and that you quit because you couldn’t put up convincing arguments.

Dr.Zakir Naiq maybe a good orator but he’s not really a great academic and his Salafist beliefs are the type of beliefs that roots sectarian divide in Pakistan (however I do not dismiss all his lectures). Actually there have been Muslims who’ve converted to Hinduism and the other religions, unlike Rajeev said that you can only be born Hindu. However Islam is the fastest growing relgion because of higher conversion rates (with intelligent Dawaa) boosted by population growth.

Jews and Hindus are the only ones who play conspiracy games? I guess we’re all peachy with ISI or Al Qaeda conspiracies? hogwash.

I fear you believe in a lot of other things that have no basis. You probably want a Wahabi like Sharia law state which is totally opposite to what Jinnah wanted. You came off as a religious nut, not a balanced poster.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11854 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:29:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11854 Sufian said: “i dont wanna be slaughtered in india being a muslim and i dont wanna live a coward life under your so called extremist even more than LeT the BJP and shiv sena and other holy superstars u kno 61 years history of pakistan but unfortunately u dont kno the history of hindus not hidustan em talkin abt hinduism and u even u dont the original name of this religion which u call it hinduism coz its a geographical meaning!”
“hope to meet you after death! We all will know than who was right and who was wrong! and what basically the meaning of life was ?? !”
“1st read abt your religion than u can have ur say abt islam and pakistan, coz pakistan is still the only muslim country who can shake your faith.”
————Sufian, what sweet words! Did I say anything in my last post? I looked back and saw nothing that I was not testing your knowledge of religion. Rather I said that you seem to be a religious guy. I was just talking about 61 yrs of India-Pak mutual mistrust etc. and all that stuff in context of the, claiming the neither the superiority of Hinduism nor my knowledge of Islam. All I believe in is brotherhood, not Muslim brotherhood not Hindu Brotherhood not Sikh or…….-brotherhoods. I am an ignorant one and may not match the knowledge you have. So I may not be able to meet with you after death since you will be in JANNAT and I will in DOZAKH. Let us talk about life and meeting each other now happily before our expiry date. You are most welcome in India.
Just to clarify, BJP is a political party but yes there are radical wings as you mentioned and some more. There have been incidents that brought bad name to the party and India. Such incidents have happened under several parties. But many if not all are investigated and accused held. With my tiny knowledge, I cannot label BJP as extremist yet. If I say BJP LeT and terrorist in the same breath, I will ensure my entry into DOZAKH.
Sufian, imagine Pak in India’s shoes (80% Musllims and 15% Hindus) and how these 15% Hindus would be doing in Pakistan in 61 yrs. why I said so?—compare the % growth in Hindus in pak and Muslims in India. And also compare what Indian Muslims achieved and what Pak Hindus achieved (Muslims are shining in all sectors). I am proud of any peaceful Indian irrespective of his/her religion and condemn extremism/terrorism of any kind. Majority of Indians share my belief.

Allah Hafiz

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11853 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:21:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11853 Sameer, I agree with your nuclear safe bunker suggestion considering in the sense that it is important to know how to land before flying. we all know how to shoot but protection/safety part is not talked about. So bunkers plus other awareness in case of nuclear fallout is a good thing to have. US took lots of precautions, drills etc during cold war.
But, flashing nuclear toys and using the language about nukes in sense of use this way is irresponsible. I am proud that India does not use this language. Certain things need not be said since they are given and let us leave it to our able officers in Indian Army.

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By: Sufian http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/01/28/milibands-gift-stiffening-up-indian-resolve-over-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-11848 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:29:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=1751#comment-11848 Rajeev:

suppose if i agree with all of your points u r god damn right! alright!

i dont wanna be slaughtered in india being a muslim and i dont wanna live a coward life under your so called extremist even more than LeT the BJP and shiv sena and other holy superstars u kno 61 years history of pakistan but unfortunately u dont kno the history of hindus not hidustan em talkin abt hinduism and u even u dont the original name of this religion which u call it hinduism coz its a geographical meaning!

1st read abt your religion than u can have ur say abt islam and pakistan, coz pakistan is still the only muslim country who can shake your faith.

ok u win i loose! happy now! cheerup!
hope to meet you after death!
We all will know than who was right and who was wrong! and what basically the meaning of life was ?? !

wish you best of luck!
May God Bless you!
Allah Hafiz

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