What does Pakistan want from U.S. envoy Holbrooke ?

January 30, 2009

Former Pakistan ambassador to London and Washington Maleeha
Lodhi has given a taste of what Richard Holbrooke can expect when
he makes his maiden visit to Islamabad next week in his new role as
President Barack Obama’s special envoy to Pakistan and
Afghanistan.

She may have owed her diplomatic career to General Pervez Musharraf,  but being an ex-official does not mean she has lost touch.

Writing in The News, the paper she used to edit, Lodhi listed an eight-point agenda for Pakistan as it braces for Holbrooke, a diplomat with a reputation for playing hardball.

Lines have to be drawn to make the United States respect Pakistani sovereignty and understand the limits of cooperation, Lodhi writes in an opinion piece titled “Back to the Future”.

Here’s the Pakistani agenda as she sees it :
1. U.S. missile attacks on Pakistani territory should end.
2. Assistance under the Biden-Luger bill should be offered
with no strings attached.
3. Give Pakistan helicopters, night vision, radar to fight a counter-insurgency, it doesn’t need conventional arms from America.
4. Give Pakistan a break in trade agreements. The all- important textile industry needs a lifeline.
5. Make India part of the equation for stabilising Kashmir, by recognising Pakistan’s security concerns on its eastern border.
6. The United States should reshape its Afghan policy to take into account Pakistan’s security concerns, otherwise no strategy will work.
7. Pakistan must also tell the United States that sending more troops to Afghanistan without a change in strategy will backfire.
8. Policies to stabilise Afghanistan should not end up destabilising Pakistan. The Taliban should be prised away from al Qaeda, and a reconciliation process with the Taliban begun.

President Asif Ali Zardari in an op-ed piece for the Washington Post also covered some of that ground, urging the new U.S. administration to boost both military and non-military aid to help Pakistan fight extremists. “Give us the tools and we will get the job done,” he wrote.

And he made clear too he expected Holbrooke to work with both Pakistan and India on the issue of Kashmir, although as special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, India was technically not part of his remit.

 ”Much as the Palestine issue remains the core obstacle to peace in the Middle East, the question of Kashmir must be addressed in some meaningful way to bring stability to the region,” Zardari said.

Reasonable expectations of a sovereign nation ? Or is the time for expectations over ?

[Pics of Richard Holbrooke and a protest in Karachi against U.S. missile strikes in the northwest]

Comments

1) Every dollar & every gun donated to pak is for use against India and nothing else. Of course, this is after 80% of the money goes to a select few generals and a couple of mullahs. Labels like Military/nonmilitary aid make no difference.

2) Root-Cause-Analysis: Real culprits of all pak problems are a bunch of top military honchos. They live in villas, have accumulated vast real estate and Millions in secret Swiss/Dubai accounts. Their source of income is America. To safeguard this continuous flood of wealth, the military has strategized all their political, military, ISI, LeT, JeM and the propaganda maneuvers for the last half century with consistently spectacular gain in wealth. In this Machiavellian, sometimes arm-twisting, other times begging, strategy, the pak military has no parallel in the rest of the countries of the world.

3) Every thing the military does is a sophisticated, elaborate FACADE. Examples of these ingenuous facades: the pak military(pm) fights militants, pm fights to take back Swat valley, pm caught ‘n’ number of militants in a “raid”, “militants(pm is disguise)” attack American convoy and steal Humvees, pm closes down LeT, pm will prosecute the Mumbai terrorists, pm does not control the PM, pm needs ultra sophisticated F16s equipped with surface to surface missiles to fight the militants, pm needs radars capable of monitoring Indian air-space but needed to fight militants in North-West region, pm needs hundreds of helicopters capable of reaching Delhi but required to fight militants, pm needs Billions of dollars to stabilize the democratic! government (behind the facade-money for the propaganda to indoctrinate the pak people to hate America).

4) pm has had very good excuses employed in US arm twisting – the big gold mine was the Russian war in Afghan. Now, the rain of gold from Americans, is facilitated for the imaginary pm fight against the militants (gullible Americans call it the War on Terror). The pm is enduring(!) such heavy cost in materials/tools and loss of thousands of little pm people. To keep the cards close, pm does not allow any foreign, independent correspondents in, the reason given is – it’s not a safe area!, If someone like the Wall Street Journal’s Daniel Pearl dares to come in, he is eliminated and a video is published. The pm had no hand in it!
And best of all excuses, the good-old war on Kashmir is always there as a fall-back.

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@anup

You cannot say Pakistan started any of this T-ism nonsense, because you are ignoring the root cause…and the root cause is that there were Kashmiris being trampled on in their own homeland. Why would you want to subjugate,humiliate,rape & murder an innocent population just because they dont want to be with you? They would never have asked Pakistan for help if they felt their rights were being respected.

If the Pakistani military had been satisfied with the Kashmir issue,this 20 year rebellion against Indian rule would never have happened. Kindly look at your own house & get yourself in order;before you point fingers at Pakistan

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@punjabiyaar

Fine,I accept your position is reasonable…because your desires & my desires are similar. As a Pakistani,I feel its in our OWN INTEREST to end T-ism and its in our OWN INTEREST to have good relations with our neighbour. We ourself hate the Tlbn & want them exterminated.

However,all I am saying is that if India wants T-ism eliminated from Pakistan,it should lend us a helping hand by

1. Solving Kashmir so as to satisfy all parties & reduce a cause of militancy,and

2. Stop exporting T-ism to Pakistan itself by conductinG RAW operations in Balochistan

If your country wants to solve T-ism,it should lend Pakistan a helping hand instead of acting emotional & throwing tantrums

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@punjabiyaar

*correction*

I meant that India should stop exporting T-ism to Pakistan & prevent RAW from fanning the flames of revolt in Balochistan…maybe I wasnt clear in my last post

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@Afghan

If you want to hate Pakistanis,go ahead man. And if you think we really GIVE A DAMN,keep thinking so….

Posted by Qasim | Report as abusive
 

Splitting up Pakistan would make everyone happier, even Pakistan. It has been so much stress and pain for everyone in Pakistan to even live there, with all that fear, dissappointment and its own self delusional threat of war with India.

It is best if Pakistan, is divided along Pashtun, Punjabi, Balochistan, Sindh, SWAT, NWFP, FATA, etc ethnic lines. Each group would be happier, as they now have their own land. Why should the one province of Punjab keep their foot on everyone else’s backyard, the other provinces don’t even want to be a part of Pakistan.

This would regionally speaking, stabilize each agitated sector of the now Pakistan. The FATA and NWFP can be saved for the tribesmen an the ultraviolent Jihadi Terrorists. In fact, NWFP and FATA should be used as a penal colony.

Invite all jihadis to come there for a good Jihad, and I mean a very good heavy jihad, let them come there and fight in the open, away from women, children, schools, let them fight like men. The west and the rest of what was once Pakistan can supply soldiers to keep these cancerous terrorists in their own backyard.

As far as the nukes go, the west can easily bribe the Pak military and ISI to give those up, it is not really tough to bribe those who are already beyond corrupt.

As far as Khalistan goes, if the Jihadi Khalistani Sikh Terrorists want Khalistan, they can form it out of Pakistani Punjab, which is the ancestral home of their 50 year empire.

No more terrorism, no more drones, everyone is happy. You will now have 10-15 smaller countries, which can donate all the soldiers it wants to fight the Jihadis.

The Pakistani military would be dismantled, nukes removed and you could pay off those who run the command structure to go live abroad, where it is more peaceful anyway, let them goto Dubai, if they wish.

Pakistan was never truly a sovereign nation any way. Stripping it of statehood, would stabilize the whole region in SE asia. To counteract any collateral problems from the Balkanized Pakistan, India could post 5 million troops along its Western Border.

@Qasim, if the Pakistani’s want to butcher each other, that is their prerogative. But if they are truly peaceful people, like you all claim, rather than people on who peace was imposed by the Pak Govt. then there will be little or no violence, just each ethnicity of Pakistan enjoying autonomy.

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Afghan
your country is a f*cking narco-state and your so-called president Karzai is merely the mayor of Kabul. He cant even leave the green zone out of Kabul. While Taliban rule 60% of your country. What the heck are you bragging about?

Any you Punjabiyaar
As before my reply to you again is f*ck off.

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Punjabiyaar
“On the contrary Pakistan should be prepared to agree everything Americans say. Otherwise If they stop the aid, half of the Pakis will have no food and they will be eating each other.
And as Mushy said, Americans will make a TORA BORA out of you.”

Let me correct you buddy, American themselves are starving, what aid will they give us? their own economy is in tatters. Pakistan is a huge agricultural country and we grow our own corps from rice to cotton. Pakistan had a balance of payment crisis and we got an IMF loan, problem solved. I have worked and traveled abroad and cross the globe their are millions of Pakistanis from America to Europe to Australia. If they were all to send their remmittances, we will have excess foregn exchange reserves.
As far as American bombing Pakistan, well you know buddy Army chief of staff stated Pakistan can respond to any Indian attack “within minutes” same applies to the US. As soon as they muster the balls to bomb Pakistan, retaliation will begin.

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@Umair, Qasim, Bangash,

Should the U.S. and India just start backing the winning side? We should all just support the Taliban, since they seem to be beating the Pakistani Army everywhere.

Does it not just make more sense to talk directly with Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, at least he will be honest, not take free weapons, money and food, like the Government of Pakistani and its Army. Mullah Omar is Fundamental Islamic and does not believe in nukes, I think he would hand those nukes over to the U.S. in a heartbeat, if he were promised good things in Pakistan.

This has been quite an oversite by millions. It would be easier dealing with Mullah Omar, wouldn’t it?

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Only 3rd party to Kashmir issue could have been Sarah Palin. Zardari would have sold Kashmir issue and signed whatever on the issue for a hug. Alas her party lost. lol

Guys a visit the Kashmir history before talking about half million troups in Kasmir will be helpful. Mr Qasim, precisely half million Kasmiri pundits had to leave their beloved homeland (KASHMIR), not to forget their genocide and rape (or was it all staged). Never once I heard over the blog about them. I personally know a Kashmiri family who lost 2 lives, one permanent mental disability, their house burnt and they left. I have heard enough from them and many other families who are close to ground zero. Kashmiri undid their cause that time by not supporting Pundits. Don;t tell me they would like to live in Independent Kashmir (only to undergo the same atrocities).

BTW, Pakistan is the cause for what POOR INNOCENT KASHMIRIS are facing today. Pakistan never actually wanted to solve the Kashmir issue from day 1 for a simple reason that shouting over divided Kashmir unites Pakistan and is a handy tool to create Jihadis which will keep India busy in trouble for much larger agenda—-Remember this line by Pakistan “Lad key Liya Pakistan, Has Key Leyngey Hindustan”? explains. Plus Pak knew that India’s foreign policy is going to be peaceful approach (think about Gandhi, Nehru) and may really lead to Independent Kashmir? Nehru was the one to announce UN involvement despite strong suggestions not to do so. He actually wanted Independent Kashmir and plebiscite? So Pak started its overt/covert operations/Jihadis/Pak Army/ISI amalgam. So here we are. BUT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT A VISIT FROM MILIBAND JUMPING UP AND DOWN.

Religion was misused to create trouble. If Kashmir is about Kashmiris, then why Kashmiri Pundits were pushed out (nothing like a clash of faiths as tool since all are suckers for religion). To add fuel to the fire waged wars and made sure that the issue persists till eternity.

Independence of Kashmir really is not about Kashmiris, it is about Pakistan. How much Pak is doing good to Kashmir is so visible in this bogus Azad Kashmir. A neutral comparison of what India and Pak did for Kashmiris is stark. And they have the nerve to say that they care about Kashmiris. Azad Kashmir is occupied by terrorists and ruled by a Pakistani PM. The stark differences between the so-called Azad Kashmir and Indian Kashmir by any neutral analysis tells the lack of sincerity of Pakistan towards Kashmiris. While India has article 370 giving special status including others not able to buy property in Kashmir—working towards favorable conditions for plebescite, Pak allowed several thousand non-Kashmiri families to settle in POK. Pakistan destroyed the original demographics by ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pundits and asking for plebiscite through ISI’s Jihad. Did Pak conduct a plebiscite before starting Jihad (sorry terrorism)—-starting a strategy for the cause of Kashmiris without consulting—great help. How about Mangla Dam story-How many Kashmiris were thrown out of Pakistan (lost jobs in the wake of the construction of Mangla Dam). Now Dam supplies 65% of the Pak electricity needs, but the so-called Azad Kashmir does not get any royalty. Pakistan’s earns over Rs. 50 crores from the electricity produced at Mangla and the total budget of the Azad Kashmir is 20% it!!!!

Pakistani guys, you really do not have any ground to talk about the cause of Kashmiris since Pak has made sure that independent Kashmir does not become a possibility.

There are lots of naïve statements in fashion these days” “If Kashmir gets solved” then Pak will be able to focus better on the threat from the terrorists on W. border and also it will bring peace in the region. Will all these terrorists become Gandhi—India, Pak, Kashmir Afghanistan will be heaven!
Is Kashmir the reason for Darfur Congo Rwanda conflicts? I am sure someone cam link that.
Is there anyone ready to put his/her neck on the block for peace/stability in the region after “Independent Kashmir”?? Perhaps your dear so-sure Miliband can.

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@UMAIR,

By the way, your remittances, you claim expatriates are willing to send to Pakistan, usually end up in the Terrorism Circles or to Al-Qaeda. All the Mosques in North America are under a Financial Trace Watch, that is, their money that leaves the Mosques, especially the “Zakat” money ends up in the hands of terrorists, somehow and lots is skimmed along the way into peoples pockets.

The west’s terrorism watch is keep a close eye on the monies sent abroad, especially to Pakistan.

By the way UMAIR, I bet you $100 rupees, (Pakistani ones of course, they are not worth much these days), that the Taliban will take over Pakistan. It is sad to say this but I think that will happen. Pakistan does not have the inner strength and will to fight extremism and win for good.

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Anup wrote:
“—Who wants to walk in such a filthy & messed up place? we not out of our minds, but be rest assured, Mumbai will be answered,”

Dil ko behlane ke liye Khayal acha hey Ghalib. India did not set the right example after the parliament attack in Delhi in 2001. Had India attacked Pakistan at that time Mumbai 2008 would never had happened? right? you think so?
Hey Anup, here is a question for you, think about it in loneliness. Can India really attack Pakistan? will Pakistan not retaliate? can India survive a Pakistani counter attack? given Pakistan now is a nuclear power. Do you really think Pakistan has no right to soverignity? Mark my words, Pakistan will redefine the rules of engagement. You need to get it straight in your head! YOU ARE DEALING WITH A NUCLEAR POWER WHICH IS CAPABLE OF DESTROYING INDIA. After this you must make clear choices as to waht really is your right and previlige.

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Qasim,
“if I were you,I would be embarassed at having ceded land to a tiny neighbour,hahaha”

That sound like non-sense. When did India lost some piece of land to a tiny neighbor to get embarrassed? Again as I said before ‘people who live in glass houses should not throw stone on others’ .Remember SWAT and Bangladesh.

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lets all join together and stand united and say DEATH TO PAKISTAN AND ITS TERRORIST PEOPLE. hahah

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UMAIR
“YOU ARE DEALING WITH A NUCLEAR POWER WHICH IS CAPABLE OF DESTROYING INDIA.”

If it means getting rid of the pakis so be it. India has over 1.1 billion people, if they lose 200 million, at least they will get rid of your god forsaken nation.

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mr.zardari added a few more to this list
9) give me sarah palin. no strings attached
10)give me my 10% on all deals. it is ok even if you dont give the rest of the money.
11) give us night vision equipments and viagra..to peek on ladies and to do an “in” “surge” nt “operation”

Gen Kayani added
12) give admission for my son in stanford, just as you gave it for the dump son of Musharraf. And no tuition fee please.
13) publish the book I wrote. it is better than the complete lies of musharraf published earlier
14) pentagon process my payroll. yes i like dollars

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@digitalcntrl

Rest assured, your wet dreams will remain just that…WET DREAMS!! hahaha

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zardari added one more item
10) give me sarah palin. no strings attached

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@mitchell

With respect,why do you think Pakistan holds on to Azad Kashmir? Its something you claim but we proudly hold on to. I mean,sacrificing territories to larger powers is understandable owing to them having larger militaries.

But you have lost portions of Kashmir to Pakistan…

And dont talk about Swat,when vast swathes of Chattisgarh,Assam,Meghalaya,Manipur,Mizo ram,Tripura & Nagaland are not even in India’s control

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On the one hand,India sits down & talks peace with us. On the other hand,it sends terrorists into Pakistan & kills our citizens. What sort of “peace” is this? How are we supposed to trust a neighbour thats routinely stabbing us in the back? Its a hypocritical game being played by India & its high time the world woke up to their atrocities in Balochistan.

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Lets have a look at what Maleeha is saying and what is meant. My quotes in simple bracket

Here’s the Pakistani agenda as she sees it :
1. U.S. missile attacks on Pakistani territory should end.
(Everyone needs peace. So do the terrorist. let us give them peace and allow them to regroup)
2. Assistance under the Biden-Luger bill should be offered with no strings attached.
(We Pakistani’s dont believe in accountability. How dare you expect that from us)
3. Give Pakistan helicopters, night vision, radar to fight a counter-insurgency, it doesn’t need conventional arms from America.
(Our factory at Wah is useless. Its only to delude our citizens. Dont give conventional arms as we get them from china cheap anyway.)
4. Give Pakistan a break in trade agreements. The all- important textile industry needs a lifeline.
(We are in an economic mess. We beg countries for our survival. Plz save us.)
5. Make India part of the equation for stabilising Kashmir, by recognising Pakistan’s security concerns on its eastern border.
(We tried dragging her down for past 60 years still she is progressing. This is not fair.)
6. The United States should reshape its Afghan policy to take into account Pakistan’s security concerns, otherwise no strategy will work.
(A stable and independent Afghanistan will again start asking back balochistan and pakhtonistan. So plz let us have a puppet regime in afghanistan like we had in taliban)
7. Pakistan must also tell the United States that sending more troops to Afghanistan without a change in strategy will backfire.
(If no terrorist is able to penetrate in afghanistan then it will turn its attention to Pakistan. And we are already very irresponsible with our Nuclear weapons. To divert taliban attention We might mistakenly leave our N -weapon in their hands. Ask Libya and N Korea if you don’t believe our track record. )
8. Policies to stabilise Afghanistan should not end up destabilising Pakistan. The Taliban should be prised away from al Qaeda, and a reconciliation process with the Taliban begun.
(See point 6 above. And Talibanis are innocent kids who have fallen in bad company of Al-Qaeda. We created taliban to destabilize Afghanistan and JuD, LeT etc to destabilize India. These poor kids after getting influenced by Al-Qaeda are destabilizing Pakistan. Lets remove Al-Quaeda and correct the focus of these kids)

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Afghan wrote:
“lets all join together and stand united and say DEATH TO PAKISTAN AND ITS TERRORIST PEOPLE. hahah”

suck my D*ck mother f*cker Afghan b*stard.

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another joke.May be Pakis can very well relate to .
Teacher: Why were you absent yesterday.
Student: Because of Kashmir
Teacher: Don’t try to deceive me. I know you didn’t do your homework. Show me your homework.Where is your homework?
Student: In Kashmir
Teacher: You have already failed last year and if you keep on giving Kashmir as reason for all your failure and don’t do anything fruitful, how will you pass?
Student: I don’t know. Ask Kashmir
Teacher: What joke is this. If principal will ask me what will i answers?
Student: Simple. Tell him Kashmir.See how we all pakis give Kashmir as root cause of terrorism, extremism, Nuclear proliferation and get away with everything. Why can’t you?
Teacher: Because of Kashmir.

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Chirkut
Whatever Ambassador Maleeha Lodhi stated and the meanings you have derived make one thing evident. You are a drunk idiot. Look how India has become a laughing stock, now idiot dont tell me our beloved Satyam fraudster Ramalinga Raju was told by ISI to induldge in tax fraud. I am happy India is loosing respect internationally. Whether its corporate governance in question after Satyam fraud, or India security failure in Mumbai. F*CK INDIA THOUSAND TIMES.

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@ Umair
Ummmmmmmmmmm i don’t think ISI is behind Satyam farud.
Frauds of this magnitude require lot of skills, knowledge ,intelligence and above all those; Money. ISI being pakistani doesn’t possess those. It can only do sub-human activities like killing innocents by bomb-blast and aiding and abetting terrorism.

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Umair,

Have you lost it completely?

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Umair is the best Pakistan has to offer.

The pinnacle of intelligence. Let the reasonable and intelligent voice of Pakistan speak!

Afghan, Chirkut, be careful, Umair is getting his suicide brigades and vests ready for use!

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hahahah this is the funniest thing i have ever seen. as i being an Afghan and all the Indian brothers are trying to let the Terrorist Pakis know where they stand in international community, these Pakis have nothing else to say but to curse all us out hahaha Pakis get a life and you welcome to a civilized world if you stop being a terrorist. Umair i wont curse you because i dont stand in the same level as you do. you are a low class individual who doesnt have self respect and curse.
DEATH TO PAKISTAN AND ITS TERRORIST PEOPLE.
AMEEEEN.
hahahahah

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Another classic from Umair:
“American themselves are starving, what aid will they give us? their own economy is in tatters. Pakistan is a huge agricultural country and we grow our own corps from rice to cotton. Pakistan had a balance of payment crisis and we got an IMF loan, problem solved.”

Umair are you Born Idiot or what. Check your budget and hefty bills your govt. sends to USA. You say american economy is going down ? At least they have a economy, You Import MORE than your export, how do you think you are covering the balance. You got IMF loan because USA was on your side. And believe me americans are not starving.

“I have worked and traveled abroad and cross the globe their are millions of Pakistanis from America to Europe to Australia. If they were all to send their remmittances, we will have excess foregn exchange reserves”

I have not seen a more idiotic hope than this. Your foriegn reserve comes from a bunch of TAXI DRIVERS working day and night ?? There has to be other sources in your case Loans / Grants / Donations / Aid.

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Umair
“Dil ko behlane ke liye Khayal acha hey Ghalib”

—Hamari Billi , Hamise Meowww! Wah Bachu, Hamise seekhi adha-e, hamhi par dorre dale…

“Do you really think Pakistan has no right to soverignity?”

—Refer to my former, first post on this blog & read it a thousand times…( Pakistan has never established itself as a Sovereign Nation….)

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—Hamari Billi , Hamise Meowww! Wah Bachu, Hamise seekhi adha-e, hamhi par dorre dale…

“Do you really think Pakistan has no right to soverignity?”

—Refer to my former, first post on this blog & read it a thousand times…( Pakistan has never established itself as a Sovereign Nation….)

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Umair

for-”Dil ko behlane ke liye…”

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america will never fiddle with kashmir.Caue it’s a natural ally of india.moreover americans are educated people like indians not talibanis. good bless obama and usa

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You indians sorry idiots are good at barking like a mad dogs and just having a quick glance at these discusting, illogical, fabricated re-marks by so called civilised, educated and fair minded people.

You lot are the “SCUM OF THE EARTH”! Thats what you indians are as they say you are known by your company. India firends are Russians – the murderers of Afghans! friends of Israilis – Murderers of Palestinians and yur cowards army good at murdering UNARMED young men, rapeing women, kidnapping the leaders of Kashmir while showing the world peaceful elections are taking place.

You can write any garbage you like you are only exposing yourslef and your discusting mentality!!!

Now except for barking!! which yoy mad dogs are good at what else CAN YOU LOT DO? FCUK ALL…..

Pakistan is still there, living every moment which India can NOT bear to see. They can NOT see that a powerful Pakistan which is NOT willing to bow to cowrad indians and so what if there are problems so are they any other country!!!

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The Pak envoy to UK interviewd on Indian Channel!

Mr Hasan also criticised India’s delay in handing over evidence, suggesting its dossier could be “fabricated”.

“You [India] took 45 days to come up with a sort of evidence although you started blaming Pakistan on the first day”.

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The indian occupation EXPOSED!!!

Hundreds of protesters have clashed with police in Srinagar, summer capital of Indian-administered Kashmir, police and officials say.

The demonstrators were rallying for the release of separatist leaders who have been detained in recent months.

They chanted slogans in support of —independence— for Kashmir and threw stones at security forces who fired tear gas shells to control the crowd.

The leaders were detained during elections held in December and January.

The authorities accused them of inciting people to boycott the seven-phased assembly elections in the disputed Himalayan region that took place between 17 November and 24 December.

But the protesters argued that the actions of those being held were peaceful and that they did nothing wrong.

The main separatist alliance in Indian-administered Kashmir, the All Parties Hurriyat (Freedom) Conference, called for a complete boycott of the elections.

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indian elections exposed by BBC…

In the run-up to polling day, Srinagar feels like an armed camp.

Outside active war zones (and Srinagar doesn’t fit that description any longer) the main city in Indian-administered Kashmir is one of the most heavily militarised places I’ve ever seen. Hardly a great advert for Indian democracy.

Every 50 metres or so, on every main street, stand several men (or very occasionally women) armed with assault rifles and – more often than not – big sticks. These, it seems, are the only conditions under which elections are possible.

There are undeclared curfews and a blanket of security across the city. Half a million army and police personnel keep watch over Kashmir, and Srinagar has more than its fair share.

Other parts of Jammu and Kashmir have seen higher voting figures than expected in this election season. But Srinagar is stubborn, and resentment against Indian rule runs deep.

On the election trail on the edge of town, Omar Abdullah, son of a famous Kashmiri family, addresses a small crowd as icy rain drifts down from the misty mountains. There’s razor wire in the haystacks.

Sitting on a makeshift stage on the back of a lorry, he tells me he’s hoping turnout in Srinagar will reach double figures. But he doesn’t look like he’d bet on it.

“We’d rather not campaign under such tight security,” he says, surrounded by yet more armed men. “The gun has changed nothing for us politically, but it has destroyed us economically, and it has had a huge impact on us socially.”

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Indian Muslims are holding a mass demonstration in the capital, Delhi, to protest against alleged harassment of Muslims by security forces.

Most of them arrived in Delhi on Thursday morning in a special train.

The train travelled from Azamgarh in northern Uttar Pradesh state and picked up more passengers en route to Delhi.

The organisers are also seeking a meeting with the interior minister. Indian police have been blamed by the community for torturing Muslims.

Security agencies, for example, have arrested 10 men from Azamgarh district in Uttar Pradesh in the past two years – all as suspects in different attacks.

One of the protest organisers, Maulana Amir Rashadi, said Muslim youths were being falsely targeted as terrorists.

The protesters arrived in Delhi carrying banners which said: “Let the truth prevail, bring the innocents out of jail” and “Give us security, not tears and blood”.

The BBC’s Joana Jolly in Delhi says more than 2,000 people gathered at the protest at Jantar Mantar, a popular forum for demonstrations.

‘Justice’

Amik Jamai, an activist and documentary film maker who joined the protest, said Muslims were feeling “uncomfortable”.

“The Muslims here are proud to be patriotic, they have promoted the concept of peace here, they live together in harmony,” he told the BBC.

“We are hoping for justice. We are hoping for transparency.”

In November, Human Rights Watch said police in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh should be prosecuted for torturing Muslims detained after bomb blasts last year.

The group warned of the risks of stigmatising and alienating “an entire community”.

The state government had admitted that 21 men had been tortured and would each receive $600 in compensation.

THSI IS MOTHER OF ALL DEMOCRACIES MT FOOT!!!!

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Mr Rathor said that those arrested had carried out a number of attacks in Lahore, the most deadly being a bomb they are said to have planted in a bin in 2006.

Two people died in that blast and 16 were injured.

He said that those being held had been to India seven times and had received training in bomb-making in Amritsar and Delhi.

“During interrogation they told us that the Indian border guards would let them into Indian territory through gate number 139. They would stay with these guards overnight and would be taken away by functionaries of the Research and Analysis Wing the next morning.”

He said that the trio had admitted taking pictures and video of various areas of Lahore.

He also said they had been trained to make and detonate remote-controlled devices.

INDIANS HAVE ALWAYS EXPORTED TERROR TO PAKISTAN! WHAT DO THEY EXPECT IN RETURN ROSES?!

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PAKISTAN COMMITED TO ROOTING OUT TERROR!!!

Gen Kayani “reiterated that the army had both the will and resolve to establish the writ of the government” in Swat, a military statement said.

“No amount of sacrifice will deter us to do our duty,” Gen Kayani said, according to the statement.

The general also “lauded the morale” of soldiers in Swat, a mountainous region of North West Frontier Province (NWFP) which until two years ago was a popular tourist area.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari also pledged on Wednesday to curb militancy in the valley and stop the Taleban from establishing their own courts, a government spokesman said.

Gen Kayani’s comments coincided with an army statement which said that security forces killed seven militants and wounded 11 others in an operation in two villages there.

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Anup
On Pakistan soverignity.
I think Pakistan did assert itself as a soverign state in recent time during a number of occassions. The PM and president stated we are ready for war. The Army chief stated Pakistan can respond to any sort of Indian attack “within minutes”.
In the past Pakistan did establish itself a soverign state on 28 May 1998 when the world was shocked at 6 nuclear explosions conducted by Pakistan. Despite international pressure and calls not to respond to Indian nuclear tests, Pakistan was lured with economic and monetary incentives etc. But as a soverign state, at that time, in that situation, a befitting response to Indian nuclear tests was necessary. Hence the score was settled. Put to rest any doubts about Pakistan’s soverignity.

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Afghan wrote:
” Umair i wont curse you because i dont stand in the same level as you do. you are a low class individual who doesnt have self respect and curse.”

b*stard f*cker, u r Pakistan hater, I will curse you a thousand times. Because I love Pakistan and you motherf*ker hate my country. S*ck my D*ck once more and f*ck off.

I dont have any self respect for Pakistan haters and I will treat them with utmost disrespect. If you want my respect, start showing some respect to my country. You curse my country, dont expect me not to talk back. I will curse you and I have a right to do so. Go back to your narco-state and do some thing good for it.

LONG LIVE PAKISTAN
DEATH TO NARCO-STATE AFGHANISTAN!!!!!

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Zardari said. ”Much as the Palestine issue remains the core obstacle to peace in the Middle East, the question of Kashmir must be addressed in some meaningful way to bring stability to the region,”

——-This puppet Zardari is so irresponsible and is inciting terrorism by saying so. Mr. Zardari: First you tell the world knows who actually rules Pakistan–we don;t care, but that is a pre-requisite for talking about any solutions. USA knows that Kayani is the ruler. No wonder, Rice went straight to meet with Kayani. what a bunch of jokers, liers and exploiters of Kashmiri people. Zardari, this mustache is not going to make you a man.

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Global watcher:
“Umair is the best Pakistan has to offer.

The pinnacle of intelligence. Let the reasonable and intelligent voice of Pakistan speak!”

I had to reply to an individual branding Pakistan as terrorist state and stating “death to Pakistan.” I have all the right to express my anger towards them. This is called freedom of expression. I have had very good discussions with few other people (Anitha & Anup is an example) and couple of total jerks have resorted to abuses on Pakistan and I have talked back to them. Sometimes it is emotion which takes over reason. One has to be passionate about anything one does. I feel the same way about love of my country and expressing it passionately. Anyone is welcome to reason with me on the topic under discussion and I will engage with them. Once someone resort to abuses, the purpose of discussion is lost.

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Umai LONG LIVE PAKISTAN
DEATH TO NARCO-STATE AFGHANISTAN!!!!!
- Posted by Umair

—-Umair: “Der aai darust aai”. finally you confessed that Pakistan is destroying Afghanistan for the survival of Pakistant. Is that not what “Afghan” and others have been bloggin about. So we are on same page on this “Pakistan’s survial depends upon destruction of Afghanistan”.

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Is any Pakistani bloggers has the balls and Brain to discuss the issue of Kashmiri Pundits/demographics/Bogus Azad Kashmir issue other than the cut/paste rhetoric????

Also please tell us ignorant Indians what Pakistan has done for Kashmiris. I always thought Pakistani people are reasonable, it is just Pak govt problem. Hmmm…I think the problem is trickling from top to bottom.

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Umair, Pakistan is undefendable for all its past actions. They are only fighting the war on terror in Pakistan because they have been forced by the Americans, otherise, by even their own admission, after 911, they said they would “bomb Pakistan back to the stone-age”.

Umair, what is there to love about Pakistan? Corruption, terrorism, extremism, filth, jihadi’s, bad economy, hate, rampant inflation, nothing to offer the world, incompetance, hateful ethnic states, the world deplores Pakistan and looks down on it.

You are so proud of your beggar and terrorism status. I just don’t get why you are happy being with your head up your a_s? Even Americans, the entire public have the common sense to admit the mistakes of their country and refute their government, remember the “Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq”.

You are not passionate, you are just stubborn and don’t like to admit you are wrong. This behavior of yours is common with Terrorists and Jihadi’s and Bin Laden.

Bin Laden has lead hundreds of thousands of muslims to their death in defence of some twisted religious and political ideal. Do you think Osama will ever admit he was wrong? No, I don’t think so, neither will you. In fact, you did not refute Bin Laden once. I want to see you put it in writing.

Quit bashing on Afghan. I like him, I have met Afghani people abroad and I like their pure heart. At least you know what you are getting and they don’t speak in a double faced tongue. My favorite people there are the Pashtun…what you see is what you get. I can respect that.

You are also proud of Pakistan’s genocide in Bangladesh..they killed 500,000 muslims and genocided 2.5million Hindus.

The Pak Military is very strong at killing unarmed civilians and raping old women and young girls and some of them even raped little boys. This is the Pakistani Army, given direct orders to do this to the population of the then East Pakistan.

India will rebuild Afghanistan and help its poor people rise up, they will once again be proud to call Afghanistan home, for it is a great and proud nation. Long Live Afghanistan!

Pakistan better quit rattling the sleeping Giant India. When India wakes up, Pakistani’s will be scrambling in fear, not knowing what to do. 160 Million is no match for 1.2 Billion.

All you are left with is swear words, uncontrollable emotions and damnation and negativity towards others. It is sad that you lack the brains and lack the maturity and intelligence to have a rational unbiased logical conversation. In other words, you act like any Madrassa educated extremist deoband terrorist.

You do not condemn the morally reprehensible Madrassa, Taliban, Extremism, Hate Education in Pak against India and Jihadi Terrorism, therefore you quietly sympathize with them. Put it in writing if you do condemn all of the above, then we have something to talk about.

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Global watcher wrote:
“India will rebuild Afghanistan and help its poor people rise up, they will once again be proud to call Afghanistan home,”

hmmm, India will do much better rebuilding the slums of Mumbai and taking care of dalit low caste hindus living in poverty and misery.

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@Umair
actually we have enough resources to do both ie taking care of our poor and rebuilding Afghanistan. After all we are not begging around for our funds and neither is our survival doubtful.

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It is high time that India appoint an envoy to Pakistan-Afghanistan and monitor the activities of USA, China, Saudi and others in that area. Any foreign donor to Pakistan should certify that the aid is not going to be used to train terrorists or any other anti-India activities. India has been too soft and passive on this. Look how Israel controls it’s borders and neighbors. The terrorism that India is facing for last 30 years is the result of this uncontrolled, unmonitored foreign aid $$ pouring in to Pakistan. Foreigners donate money, weapons, use Pakistan as they want and leave. Ordinary Pakistanis, Kashmiris and Indians suffer. India should question these foreign donors and demand a compliance certificate that their aid is not used for anti-India activities.

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