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Kashmir violence drops further, but where’s the peace?
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Violence in Kashmir is down to its lowest level since the separatist revolt began in 1989, but peace remains a distant prospect in one of the world’s most beautiful regions.
The Delhi-based Institute of Conflict Studies which tracks militant violence across South Asia says 541 people were killed in militant-linked violence in 2008, continuing the declining trend from the previous year when fatalities had fallen to 777. That was well below the 1,000 mark used to define a high-intensity conflict and way lower than the 2001 peak of 4,507 deaths in a single year.
Just for purposes of comparison on a broad level, a separate analysis by the Institute shows that the number of people killed in militant-related violence in Pakistan hit 6,715 in 2008 from a 2003 figure of 189, reflecting a dramatic deterioration in the security situation.
So, as Pakistan fights the militants in its most serious internal challenge yet, some of whom it fostered to fight Indian forces in Kashmir, is peace at hand in the Himalayan region ?
Not by a long shot , going by the steady stream of street protests that seem to go off every now and then. Last year’s demonstrations, the biggest since the revolt began, over a government decision to hand over land near a Hindu shrine deep in Kashmir to a trust now seem to have become a watershed, giving new life to a movement that was despairing.
And because it is a street campaign, a sort of a non-violent struggle, it could be potentially more challenging to the Indian state than the guns and grenades of the militants, say Kashmiri leaders.
“India is not scared of any guns here in Kashmir – it has a thousand times more guns,” Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, a leader of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, told the Wall Street Journal in this report in December.
“What it is scared of is people coming out in the streets, people seeing the power of nonviolent struggle.”
Is this really a civil disobedience movement, a leaf from Mahatma Gandhi’s book thrown in the face of those who rule India in his name?
{Reuters pictures of Gulmarg in Kashmir and a protest in Srinagar}
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“India is not scared of any guns here in Kashmir – it has a thousand times more guns,”
True,very true. The more Kashmiris believe on militancy,the more stronger will it bind itself physically with India. Non-Violence is the only option.
Kashmiris would have achieved their rights by now if they had trusted on Non-Violence. Very Unfortunately,they depended on militancy which only killed them in turn. I wonder whether such huge amount of deaths would have occurred if Pakistan never used militancy as a state policy. The fact that Pakistan is trying very hard to extinguish the flames it had started is a tough warning to any groups in the world that use violence to achieve their aims.
I urge every Indian to read the opinion and editorial column in the Pakistani Newspaper Dawn. There only can we see the real face of Pakistan.
I quote from the editorial,”Meanwhile, militancy, again using the idiom of Islam, grew in the whole country. This time, again, the state and its agencies were at fault. The basic idea was that if fighters were sneaked across the Line of Control in Kashmir India would bleed so much that it would come to the negotiating table. On the side these fighters also indulged in sectarian vendettas so that neither mosques frequented by Sunnis nor Shia imambargahs remained safe. What did Pakistan gain as a result? Not an inch of Kashmir but the possibility of being declared a ‘terrorist state’ and the perpetual fear of a war with India.”
http://www.dawn.com/2009/02/04/ed.htm#5
No-violence protests are ideal and have a better chance of influencing the public opinion outside of Kasmir.
Quote from one the links “Waving green Islamic flags and shouting “we want freedom”, hundreds of thousands of Muslims marched peacefully in Indian Kashmir’s main city on Friday, resuming some of the biggest protests in two decades against Indian rule.”
—–The chance of independent Kashmir remains a near impossibility since it has become a Muslim Kasmir issue–not a Kashmir issue. Kashmiris did not set their priorities right, participated/promoted/silently watched in the genocide/exodus of Kasmiri Pundits. The generation of teenager protesters do not even know that. It is 2 deacde too late and asking for the wrong Kasmir.
“India is not scared of any guns here in Kashmir – it has a thousand times more guns,” Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, a leader of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, told the Wall Street Journal in this report in December.
—Someone gotta tell that creep that non-violence is not a sly terrorist weapon, rather a conviction…which is too hot for violent minded barbarians to wield…
What a shameful collection of hypocritical posts! You subject Kashmir to violence by keeping it under military occupation since 1947, then tell them to adopt non-violence to end the occupation. The non-violent solution has always been there, in the form of UN resolutions requiring a plebscite, but India never allowed this non-violent solution to take place. By shutting out the non-violent avenues, India has driven the Kasmiris to violence, so it does not deserve any sympathy when it suffers the consequences.
Whatever happens are tentative only, unless the infiltration is not stopped, and every anti-elements in Kashmir must be kicked-out of India, otherwise India cannot achieve anything.
Pakistan has already setup a proxy people in Kashmir, Indian government must take some stringent measure to eliminate them.
Good to know that Kashmiris have a right to protest peacefully in a a democratic country. I bet they would have been slaughtered if it was not a democracy. Democracy and political participation can achieve milestones that a violent struggle cannot.
AS the proud Kashmiri in the picture holding the poster:
LISTEN INDIA!!!
YOU CAN KILL US, RAPE OUR WOMEN, KILL OUR YOUNG MEN, PUT OUR LEADERS IN CELLS, PAINT A ROSY PICTURE FOR THE WORLD BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS — YOU CAN NOT BREAK US…
You did NOT achieve it for the last 60years and will NEVER do so too….
Kashmir for all KASHMIRIS SO indian dogs go to hell!!!
and get out of our beautiful kashmir!!!!
If the same money the seperatist leaders spend on pulling crowds to protest in kashmir were spent on development, there would have been far better roads, employment and industrial development..people would have had nothing to cry about..if the people had maintained the valleys peace there would have been no troops in srinagar..seperatist mind set is the cause for todays apathy the people of kashmir are in.Be it loss of the public property, the curfew imposed to maintain peace or the genocide of kashmiri pandits all because of foolish seperatist ideology.
Just being a muslim do not give food, clothes or shelter nor does it give right to people to ask for breaking the country..Once people are mature enough to think on realistic lines to realize religon is not more important than life itself and turn their back to the seperatist idealogies, can they think of development.
The protesting people have proved time and again that they are occupied with immature thinking where they have Islam as proirity over development and well being.
Their demands to carve out kashmir from India is foolish suicidal and unjustified.
What did Kashmiris achieve by their non-violent struggle from 1948-1989 ? Nothing. The poor poeple still live under the boots of the Indian Army.
@ – The poor poeple still live under the boots of the Indian Army.
Bangash Khan Army in general is there to protect our country..If few people start being anti-Indian.then where do you think they will live ?? Parliament ?? lol
under the army boots.
Sharafat
“…so it does not deserve any sympathy when it suffers the consequences.”
—The consequences are borne by the innocent citizens of Kashmir…at the hands of Pakistani terrorists.
Tibet is being flooded with Han Chinese in a deliberate attempt to alter the ethnic makeup of Tibet. (OPPOSITE OF KASHMIR where Hindus who have lived there for thousands of years have been expelled by T..s)
Tibetan spiritual leader lives in exile and their religious, and cultural symbols are being destroyed by Chines. (OPPOSITE OF KASHMIR where there is total freedom of religion and expression)
YET,no one shows any urgency to address the oppression of Tibetan Buddhists. One doesn’t see articles like “where is peace in Tibet”
Could this be because there are no Buddhists going around shooting and bombing unarmed civilians in train stations, hotels, trains and buses?
Sharafat: You are wrong that “India never allowed this non-violent solution to take place”. I do not know whether you are from India, Pak, or POK. India (Nehru) went through UN route—deciding the fate of kashmir by plebiscite by kashmiri people. India could have very well said: we have it so go to hell; but did not (despite such suggestions at that time). Why because Nehru trusted in this (HYPOCRITICAL) UN and Pak. So there must be some reason that this process did not happen. He passed away in 1964 (17yrs after UN resolution) and was in power while Pak witnessed all the dictatorships/coups. Pak waged overt and covert wars, started/supported the militancy and change the demeogaphics of Kashmir. Pakistan never let the India-Pak relations to settle down; turned this into Kashmir issue into religion issue.
“India has driven the Kashmiris to violence”
— It is Pakistan (not India) that has driven the Kashmiris to violence -from day 1 in 1947 invasion/raid by pak army and subsequent imposed wars on India by Pak, not to forget the proxy wars. Terrorists are mainly from Pakistan, subcontracted to kill innocents. Any person worth his salt would not call this mindless terrorism as freedom struggle. Remember the faces of Indian freedom fighters and you will know. Which one you recall for Kashmir? All I recall is paid killers with no faces. India was never an aggressor against kasmiris.
So where does this your “India never allowed this non-violent solution to take place” statement fits in? India is not in a mood to create another Islamic (of Kashmir) republic next door, especially the one without true Kashmiri people including Kashmiri Pundits. Remember the genocide of thousand and exodus of 500,000 Kashmiris with the help of Pak-supported terrorists. Kashmiri Hindus were asked to choose between Convert, Flee or Perish. “agar Kashmir me rahna hei, to allah ho akbar kahna hei” slogan was shouted at that time. Irrespective of UN resolution, frankly spearking Kashmiris of today do not deserve an Independent Kashmir for a very simple reason that they did not support their fellow minority Hindu brother/sisters. UN-wise, demographics have changed; so what plebiscite are you talking about. Indian Army was not there until militancy started and now everybody complains. Everybody condemns violence and is sympathetic towards innocent kashmiris. Pakistan pretends to support the cause of independent Kashmir—that’s a joke! Just look at so-called bogus Azad Kashmir. Pakistan is like a leach sucking the natural resources (water) of POK. This is called hypocrisy.
Mitcell,
http://www.dawn.com/2009/02/04/ed.htm#5
is a good article.
Sharafat
“India has driven the Kasmiris to violence”
– If at all India would have done such an act, then probably you wouldn’t have found a single non-indian kashmiri in the valley.
It is Pakistan and not India. Everyone knows yet hate to accept it. Truth is always a bitter, lies are sweeter
What did Kashmiris achieve by their non-violent struggle from 1948-1989 ? Nothing. The poor poeple still live under the boots of the Indian Army.
- Posted by Bangash Khan
——Smarty pants, I am glad you asked. NOTHING. WHY? it needs peaceful atmosphere to sit around the table. Pakistan made sure it does not happen by raiding Kashmir in 1947, 1965 war and then 1971 and Kargill. Do not forget the proxy wars (promoting Sikh terrorism is one example; was not that before 1989?). I hope that explains.
After Sep11 2001 Pakistan pulled the rug from the Jihadis in the IOK. Therefore the violence went right down which is agreeable by most idots on this forum. So after 8 long years of non-violence what have the Kashmiris achieved –
- Still same number of indian cowrard army.
- We have rape, staged killings.
- Puppet regime installed to enhance delhi’s intrest.
- The valley was cut off from rest of india by the Jammu
Hindu Terrorist.
- Most of the leaders were put into cells whilst the
so called peacefull elcetion were being held.
- Even to this day they still behind bars.
- India was lost for words when the peace loving Kashmiris turned up in the capital with one voice – AZADI – FREEDOM. and still have nightmares of how many had Paki flags clearly expressing their desire to be part of Pakistan.
Let me tell all the idiots:
That people of Kashmir are part of people of Pakistan!!
In flesh
In next of kin
In religion
In culture
In Geograpgy
In History
So i am sorry idiots you have plenty of land already to train your hindu fanatics and to opress other minorties. Opress even your own fellow hindus forget the rrights of indian muslims who are picked on even if pakistan wins a CRICKET match. How immature, educated, senless and war monger indians are.
For few idiots to say you can NOT ask for independence becaues you are Muslim why NOT– Isnt that why Pakistan were created and even the evil Brits understood what the hindu fanatics had in their mind. To rule muslims exactly what the muslims have doen in india and still are in Kashmir.
Rajeev wrote:
“Pakistan made sure it does not happen by raiding Kashmir in 1947, 1965 war and then 1971 ”
with due respect I differ on this, look at history and get your facts straight. It was India that forcibly annexxed Kashmir, the hindu Maharaja of Kashmir had no right to decide the fate of muslim Kashmiris. Kashmir remains a dispute underscored by Barack Obama and David Milliband. They urged India cooperation knowing millitancy will not cease until occupation of Kashmir ends. Let the UN resolutions be implemented in Kashmir.
I feel India is always playing with time and feels that somehow few peacefull days will win the hearts of the Kashmiris.
I am sorry the Kashmiris dont have a fish like memory they will NEVER forget the blood of over 70,000 Kashmiris brothers who sacrificed their lifes for a independent kashmir.
Have the indians forgot already the biggest demonstration held in the valley against the evil indian rule. All kashmiris from all walks of life and ages gathered with one voice and aksed for “AZADI” “FREEDOM”.
If Indians have already forgot what freedom means that what you got from the British and we are still waiting to be independent. Inshalla one day India can KILL his ARREST us but can NEVER break the WILL of Kashmiris.
Long Live Kashmir and kashmir for all Kashmiris…
Just read a line below “Waving green Islamic flags and shouting “we want freedom”.. really turely good…try that in some other place other than India and come back with the results mate !!
The problem in Kashmir is political one. Every other issue India Pakistan wars, human rights issues, terrorism are a manifestation of it. Had Pakistan not adopted terrorism as a state policy, Kashmir would have been long resolved by now.
India deployed its troops in Kashmir only when it was necessary; for instance the troops were deployed during border wars with Pakistan and the militant insurgency from Pakistan that started in 1989. In fact, the troop levels in some sections of Kashmir are already drawn down.
Pakistanis who are harping about plebiscite – or lack there of – quickly forget the Paki follies before blaming India. In 1948 both Pakistan and India did not agree on the pre-conditions to carry a UN plebiscite in Kashmir. They still dont! Consequently, the burden falls on both the countries.
Long Live Kashmir and kashmir for all Kashmiris…
- Posted by Hussain
—-We Indians are fed up with rants from you guys—I am atleast. Who are all Kashmiris? I have asked 10-times to several Pak bloggers and all you say is Azadi. If you are a kashmiri in India, where were you when 500,000 Hindus fleed and genocide of thousands. Azaid for whom (muslims only) by whom (terrorists from Pak) for whom (not for Kashmiri Pundits for sure) ????????????????????????????????????
demographics????????????????????????????
India has had enough and will not accept another Islamic republic (of Kashmir) next door.
Forget it. Muslims in Kashmir have guaranteed in collaboration with Pakistani professional killers have made sure they do not achieve their cause.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp ?page=200925\story_5-2-2009_pg3_1
The killing fields of Dera Ismail Khan in the NWFP claimed more victims on Tuesday as a grenade attack killed one man and wounded 18 others inside a Sunni mosque. The attacker hurled the hand grenade at the worshippers during evening prayers, causing a stampede and leading to more injuries. This is not a good sign because heretofore it was the Shia community in DI Khan that bore the brunt of attacks from banned Sunni sectarian organisations aligned with the Taliban in the neighbouring territory of South Waziristan.
As if this was not enough worry, the Baloch Republican Army (BRA) owned Tuesday the cold-blooded murder of five Punjabis in Noshki and Mastung districts of Balochistan, saying it was “retaliation for the firing by security forces on a wedding ceremony in Dera Bugti”. The target in Noshki was the shop owned by a Punjabi settler for generations which had been attacked earlier too. In Mastung, the victim was an innocent man standing at a bus stop. In the past few days, Punjabis have become victims of terrorism, including one in Quetta, for violence allegedly committed by the law enforcement agencies against the Baloch. A BRA spokesman told the press, “We will carry out attacks on all Punjabis wherever they live in Balochistan. We do not tolerate Punjabis on our land. It is the Punjabi forces attacking our people”.
There is more bad news. Layyah in Punjab is seeing a repeat of what an educational institution did to its Ahmedi students in Faisalabad last year: a movement led by the uncle of the local MNA wants 10 Ahmedi students expelled from a private tuition centre because of allegations of blasphemy against four students. Handbills distributed in the village ask the Ahmedis to leave the place by February 9 because their four children allegedly wrote blasphemous things on the walls of the latrines of a local mosque. The Layyah police say there are no witnesses and no evidence against the accused and, what is most alarming, the imam of the mosque admits that a false case has been registered by the police under pressure from a group of people that include the local head of the banned Jama’at-ud Dawa and some local journalists.
Nikhil
One cannot have a better leader than Nehru for Kashmir issue. He was alive 17yrs after UNresolution while Pak was going through wild ride plus a raid on Kashmir (this is all before 1964 yr of his death). Look back at his statements yr after yr -he was for whatever Kashmiris want. Now who are the kashmiris? A society that deserves will get what it deserves–it did mot want kashmir, it wanted Islamic Kashmir. FORGET IT. This terrorism violence all around the country is not going to do a thing to solve. are they kidding.
It is Pakistan who cannot live without trouble and wants it brewing.
I have no idea how much common sense one needs to understand that are you hitting yourself or someone else. Kashmiri people just lost it.
Long Live Kashmir and kashmir for all Kashmiris…
- Posted by Hussain
To continue from last post:
1. If you are a kashmiri in India, where were you when 500,000 Hindus fleed and genocide of thousands and did not support your fellow non-Muslims, majority being Pundits.
2. if you are in bigus Azad Kashmir, see what Pak has given you, a PM from Rawalpindi Punjab, did nothing for Kashmiri. Its a taking more giving less to POK. There is endless list. All Pak has given you is common religion and pretend Muslim brotherhood and do not complain concept. I have heard Kashmiris from POK, they envy Kashmir in India. Read my other posts if you can find and see the comparisons.
3. if you are a pakistani: you are a hypocrite. Gifting terrorism, rather imposing it on Indian Kashmiris, wars, covert.overt wars, atrocities on Indian Kashmiris. Yes you will see cherry pick the stories of Indian soldiers only.
A completely independent Kashmir is not at all a possibility.
Most of the anti-india sentiment is based out of Srinagar. Proof: See the recent voting pattern.
Laddhakis want to stay with india, Jammuites want to stay with india, Kashmiri Pandits(outside kashmir and few remaining in Kashmir) want to stay with India. The remaining few Kashmiris must realize that they are moving in a one-way street. They have no choice but to integrate themselves with India. As long as they move with the traffic they will do just fine. Any misadventure to run against the traffic well lead them to tragic results.
Some fundamental principles of India, like democracy, secularism, are not negotiable. Same way Territorial integrity is also not negotiable. India will not tolerate any more partition. PERIOD!
For those interested in neutral account of Kashmir dispute here is the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_pro blem
Here is the story in nutshell
1) Kashmir king undecided. Doesn’t want to join India or Pakistan.
2) Pakistani militia backed by Pak Army invade into Kashmir.
3) Kashmir King ask India to help. India cannot help till kashmir is annexed. Treaty of accession is signed.
4) Indian army moves into Kashmir and start pushing back the invaders. Nehru was against it but Patel unilaterally moved in the troops.
5) Nehru in his idealistic zeal prematurely moves to UN when Indian forces are pushing back invaders.
6) UN ask for plebiscite with condition that Pakistan moves out her army from Kashmir.
7) Pak never moved out her army so Plebiscite did not take place.
8) From 1989 demography of Kashmir is violently changed. UN plebiscite became NULLL and VOID. (Read related Kofi Annan’s statement)
with due respect I differ on this, look at history and get your facts straight. It was India that forcibly annexxed Kashmir, the hindu Maharaja of Kashmir had no right to decide the fate of muslim Kashmiris.
_–posted by Umair
—–I checked the facts and found that I am right.
Kashmir has been secular-its pandit population has been driven off-that too of around half million.There is no way India will allow its seperation come what may.After partition,Sindhi culture got torn away due to ruthless supression of pakistan-today Pandit culture will be lost.There is no way that will be allowed.Kashmir is secular and will remain secular.Kashmiris need to understand what Pakistan did to fellow Bangladeshis-killed them around a million and raped another 100000 in 1971.Thats the legacy of pAKISTAN which wants Kashmiris.Its misguided citizens are now threat to entire world
One shoudl understand the whole problem and its nature
British India was splited into two countries based on Hindu and muslim poulation. Muslim leaders requested for seperate country and they got it. Further, Pakistaion was again spliteed into two countries. Even now India has got 150 millions of muslim population and they represnet 13% of India. What happened in Pakistan and Bangadesh, the minority population have reduced to such a extent. If Kashmir muslim alone want seperate mother land means once again spliting is going to happen based on religion.
What about non-muslims? Are they allowed live in expected muslim kasmir if it is allowed to seperate?
What about minority muslim living in India? Once split is confirmed whole India will see event like what happened in the 1947 partition? Is the aim of people who are looking for Kasmir partition? People who hate India want to see this kind of event.
Very few muslim majority countries are secular. Even though India partioned based on religion we are still keeping the secular India staus.
Dont try to radcalize Indian population and it is not going to help minority Indians.
If Indian security forces want to kill innocent Muslims, Muslim population in the Kashmir valley wouldn’t have increased. Kashmir extremist and terrorists did ethnic cleansing of Kashmir Pandits. Their life is jeopardized now.
Independent Kashmir for Kashmir Muslims? What about half to one million Kashmir Pandits living as refugees in India and aboard? What about Buddhists living inside Kashmir? Who is going to compensate them? Why should they have to loose their motherland? Who can provide secured life to them? Is there any guarantee?
Why Pakistanis are always talking about what is happening in India? Are minorities inside Pakistan well protected? No rape, murder, forced conversion or any other crime, no human rights violation. Don’t make fun out of others. Just look at your back. Just do small Google search you can get plenty of answer. Do they allow religious freedom, I mean religion by choice? I know Islamic law only allows other religious people to join Islam but they are not allowed to leave. This one looks like one way, once anyone inside, the door is closed. Read about UN religious freedom resolution which allows people to choose their own religion.
Is India ever tried to change the demography of the Kashmir? India is having open border, 1.1 billion people, the place is under her security forces, if she wish she can change the demography of the Kashmir within weeks? Isn’t that too difficult? That is not her aim.
Why people are talking about Plebiscite? What is the pre-condition for Plebiscite? Pakistan should withdraw its security forces from Pakistan occupied Kashmir. Why some Pakistanis and some other nationals are talking about this matter without fully reading/understanding UN resolution? I would advise them to read UN resolution first before talking such nonsense.
Pakistan wants to do play around with India. The future will answer who is going to win. Let’s wait and see.
I read someone wrote Puupet government in Kashmir. What about Pakistan? Hahah.. hahaha.. yeah, yeah Selected independently.. hahah.. and thier government always take independent solution for the good will of thier own people. hahahha. Guys first think about yourself before commenting others.
Myra,
Of course we agree that there are human rights violation in Kashmir and that Kashmiris want Azadi. But when we talk about kashmir why only talk about Indian occupied J&K,why not about the Azad kashmir or POK. In human rights Watch, they assert that there are as many violations in Azad kashmir as in Jammu and kashmir.
I quote this from hrw,”Azad Kashmir is a land of strict curbs on political pluralism, freedom of expression, and freedom of association; a muzzled press; banned books; arbitrary arrest and detention and torture at the hands of the Pakistani military and the police; and discrimination against refugees from Jammu and Kashmir state. Singled out are Kashmiri nationalists who do not support the idea of Kashmir’s accession to Pakistan. Anyone who wants to take part in public life has to sign a pledge of loyalty to Pakistan, while anyone who publicly supports or works for an independent Kashmir is persecuted. For those expressing independent or unpopular political views, there is a pervasive fear of Pakistani military and intelligence services-and of militant organizations acting at their behest or independently.”
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/11156/section /3
They tell that Pakistan try to curb the expression of the people who are for the independence of Kashmir but not to its accession with Pakistan. Till today there is relatively little coverage of the people’s plight in Azad Kashmir compared to J&K. So isn’t pakistan also trying to curb the freedom movement of Kashmiris by curbing their freedom of expression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Rai lway
Also India had built hydro-electric stations and railway lines between Manzhama and Anantnag even though their engineers’ life were in grave danger. They are going to connect Srinagar with the rest of India soon. Had Pakistan ever considered connecting Muzafarrabad with the rest of the nation by rail or had it at least given fundamental rights to the people of Azad kashmir for the time being? If India is suppressing Kashmiris and if they are villains, then Pakistan is also an equal culprit.
I am so sorry Sanjeev. I was supposed to address my above post to you. I mistakenly typed ‘Myra’.
We Indians are fed up with rants from you guys—I am atleast. Who are all Kashmiris? I have asked 10-times to several Pak bloggers and all you say is Azadi. If you are a kashmiri in India, where were you when 500,000 Hindus fleed and genocide of thousands. Azaid for whom (muslims only) by whom (terrorists from Pak) for whom (not for Kashmiri Pundits for sure) ????????????????????????????????????
demographics????????????????????????????
India has had enough and will not accept another Islamic republic (of Kashmir) next door.
I think you eyes must have shut and ears too when reading what i wrote I said we the Kashmiris doesnt matter what cast, religion and which part we are from.
We want independence if that is from the cowards indian army or the chineses or the Pakistanis. We Kashmiris have our own history and we have been independent before so called the mahraja of kashmir who sold the the state to india without even considering what the locals wanted.
So STOP crying you all idiots. Put it this way we will achieve our goals even if it takes hundred years. You can silence us with guns but you can NOT break the will of the kashmiris. That always was and will be to have our own independent state it doesnt need to be islamic a secular state where all minorites have rights. Not what you get in India or Paksitan and we would show you the way forward.
Its time Kashmiris had their say not what New Delhi or Islamabad wants….
Idiots how can you defend rape, murder, puppet regime, leaders put in cells, demonstrations aginst the evil indian rule and we have all seen the chants from the locals what they want. Another story of you want to put fingers in your ears because you do not want to hear the word “AZADI” FREEDOM.
Kashmir for all kashmiris an Independent secular state one not like its mother India. Its called secular but the muslims are picked on even when Pak wins a mere criket match. Shame on you idiots and grow up and how long can you oppress the kashmiris.
You kill one Maqbool Batt there are already thousands of them in kashmir to this day asking for indian cowrads to leave the region.
@mitchell -
Indian side story of Kashmir is highly reported because India allows better press freedom and higher democarcy unlike Pakistan, most of the time ruled by military generals.
People are not affraid to travel and express thier voice in India and also allowed to comment about Indian government. I dont know about Pakistan and thier press freedom espcially in AJK.
Kashmir issue have been continueously used as a (foreign pollicy)tool to get a bad name for India and contain its economic activites, sponser terrorism against Indians and spoil its economic activities.
Some years ago one independant survey conducted in Indian side of Kashmir. So far no survey conducted in POK.
Mitchell,
You can ask any Muslim Kashmiri. They will only say India had occupied their nation and they have to leave at once. Once India decides to move away,then everything will be automatic. As for the Human right abuses you mention,it’s a sad issue and Pakistan had to look into it.
@Ali,
“So STOP crying you all idiots” Hark! Who’s talking?
Only you look hysterical.
@Murugan,
Accept the truth,there was a fiasco in 1947 and Kashmir went to India. Our inept rulers only fueled the crisis by waging wars and engaging in cross border terrorism. I seriously disagree with any sort of violence by the locals but at the same time Indians must accept that they have occupied kashmir against people’s will.
@pk
Here is a lot of confusion in who is represnting whom and what they want to acheive? India and Indians think Pakistanis are over reprensting Kashmiries and Jammu and Kashmir is integral part of India, Pakistanis think kashmir people want to join with them, in the worst case atleast muslim majority area by partioning banks of Chenab river. Kashmiries express they want to have independat Kashmir state. I have no idea of who is majorirty and who is minority. Adding more fuel to this it also become major political factor for both India and Pakistan (~1.4 billion). Both parties(India and Pakistan) don’t properly educate thier citizens about Kashmir and Kashmir issue.
I think UN and human rights organization should ask both governments to teach right information about Kashmir to thier citizens. I dont think peace can be acheived by terror and violence. Only way to reach peace is non-violence. That is missing here.
Accept the truth,there was a fiasco in 1947 and Kashmir went to India. Our inept rulers only fueled the crisis by waging wars and engaging in cross border terrorism. I seriously disagree with any sort of violence by the locals but at the same time Indians must accept that they have occupied kashmir against people’s will.
- Posted by pk
PK: I agree with the 1947 kashmir mess up-but what really happened? It is funny now there is talk about “independent kashmir”. It was independent at the time of partition before pakistan army/inflirators crossed the border and India was requested to step in by Maharaja and Indian Army then stepped in. So if Pakistan would not have stepped in, it would have been independent at that time only. In that war, some of the Kashmir went to India and the other to pakistan and as if that was enough Pak gifted a portion of Kashmir to Chinese (Aksai Chin). Am I right?
@ALI, ALI Said:
“We Kashmiris have our own history and we have been independent before so called the mahraja of kashmir who sold the the state to india without even considering what the locals wanted.”
You ignorant glib drone, Ali! How about India, India had its own land before the British of that time, did they consider what the locals wanted before they colonized and chopped it up?? Then they partitioned all these Indian lands to muslims. All the Pakistan land belongs to India, all the way upto Afghanistan.
I never hear once, any Pakistani acknowledge the hurtful way Indian land was grabbed from our ancestral homeland, but Pakistani’s feel quite comfortable criticizing Israel. Its that Islamic Double Standard again.
Any Kashmiris who think that they will have a better life without India, why don’t you just goto Pakistan?, if you think they will treat you better and you can have a better life there? Pakistan should quit meddling in internal India affairs, it may be dangerous to your own stability. If you don’t like Pakistan or India, why don’t you just go into the ocean? There are so many opportunities for all peoples in India, I am tired of Kashmiri separatists fueled by Pakistan, causing trouble and infact bringing all sorts of horrible things to their people.
Besides, the population of India is not prepared to accede any more land away, it is politics and votes my friend. It is very unpopular with the commoner. 1.2Billion people need land.
Kashmiri goons and separatists we will stop you and rid of you, as you are traitors, siding with Pakistan and putting others ahead of your own country.
The Locals in India don’t want to give away any more free land, which is legally India’s….so live with it, or leave and get out! Goto Pakistan.
If Kashmir was given up, it would just become another Terrorist state to deal with.
So forget it. Eat your Kababs and be happy.
@pk
Are you asking me to accept the truth? Where is the evidence? I think what you are telling is a Pakistani side of argument but so far no document has confirmed it. I read UN, wiki pedia and some other places but couldn’t find any confimration.
Only way to reach peace is non-violence.
- Posted by Murugan
—It is too late for non-violence and it is a better option for sure. Persistent non-violence is the toughest to achieve. It needs a strong leader with this philosphy-absent. Non-violence in kashmir and violence in test of India–does not work that way.
It is good to know what Pakistan army and ISI to Azad Kashmir people. Thanks.
Here is the link
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/11156/section /3
No land belongs to India infact it belongs to the people who live there and have been for centuries. The only difference is we had the will n courage to recognise that Islam is a true religion. So we converted NOT by sword by suffism.
You idiots want to carry on folowing status with ten legs 5 arms 3 arse holes n what not lol. Is that our fault? So go to hell my ancessotrs were from the same land and what about the indian muslims who lived in india and there forefathers were indians. India owes a lot to muslims for not only leting you practice your stupid religion but did not force you to convert.
Surely if they wanted to we ruled you monkeys for over 1000 years and we had plenty of time. I think even idiots have no choice but to agree to that if the aim was to convert all you sad idiots and your fathers n theirs we had all the time, will, power to do it. But did it happen????
The answer is NO, Islam is peaceful n no wonder even your own bollywood actor go to ajmeri sharif for blessings.
So Pakistan is for the pakistanis which is simply a new name but the peopel who are living there majority have always lived there. So to compare Pak/Israel is a living prove that you are all IDIOTS. I would have handed you a blue peter badge rajeeve you stupid monkey worshiper wake up….lol
Kashmir is NOT India internal problem, it is political issue and an International issue remians to be solved.
If the lands were divided on the basis of majority Muslim states should go to Pakistan and hindu majority to India. Simply on thoses bases Kashmir should have been part of Pakistan but the indians occupied it with their coward army to this day and refuse to give self determination to the kashmiris.
Why do they have to go to pakistan they will live in kashmir and be part of it dont worry. How long can you oppress the innocent kashmiris with guns??? You will NEVER break our will we want independence or be with Pakistan. As we have nothing in common with the indians cowards who only good at raping girls, murdering young men, puting our leaders behind bars as they still there.
You can try your best to fool the world but anyone who has been to Indian Occupied Kashmir and speaks to the locals. They will be wilingly let the outsiders know what they feel about the indian cowrds army.
Go to hell Indian army we DONT want you in kashmir NEVER did. Long live kashmir n kashmiris….Long live Pakistan too…
Kashmir is for kashmiris so there destiny should be decided by ALL Kashmiris. Not what the goons think in Madras/Delhi and far corners of India. What should matter what the kashmiris want isnt that the democratic way and we are exposing the mother of all democracy again.
Not implementing the UN resoultuion NOT willing to have third party to help two foolish countries to solve this issue. India knows without the third party it can do what she wants but with thiord party all her dilectory tactics would be exposed to the world.
If Indian democracy is so great then maybe it should be put to the test in Kashmir. Not by putting all the sepratist leaders behind bars and letting all the pro Delhi puppets to compete. Is that the indian democracy then go to HELL!
All indians read what the locals Kashmiri in the picture is holding!
LISTEN INDIA —-
YOU CAN KILL US!
BUT you KAN’T BREAK US……!!! all kashmiris wants indian mad dogs OUT!!!!
Yet another..
Pak for Kashmir resolution according to wishes of Kashmiris
http://www.geo.tv/2-5-2009/34417.htm
PM assures Kashmiris of govt’s unflinching support
http://www.geo.tv/2-5-2009/34419.htm
India banking on 9/11 to distort Kashmir issue
http://www.geo.tv/2-5-2009/34428.htm
So supporting Kashmiri equates only to Hurriyat and not a common people of Kashmir. I would say Pakistan must go on public polls in Kashmir.