Musharraf planning to visit India

February 6, 2009

Former President Pervez Musharraf was always one for the grand gesture. So it should come as no surprise that after a period of relative obscurity following his resignation in August last year, he will visit India as part of a series of lectures he plans to give worldwide.

In an interview with the BBC, Musharraf, who has just returned from a trip to the United States, said he was enjoying his retirement and had been invited to give lectures on Pakistan and the South Asian region around the world. “He said the first invitation he had accepted was from India, where he expected to speak at a conference in Delhi next month,” the BBC said.

“I love this life. I am relaxed and satisfied. And I am enjoying my lecture tours,” he told Pakistan’s Dawn newspaper. “Next month I am going to India for the same purpose. Let’s counter the Indians on their own home ground.”

India always had a rather ambiguous attitude to the Delhi-born former general. After blaming him for the 1999 Kargil war, it later began to see him as a man with whom it could make peace and it was under Musharraf that a formal India-Pakistan peace process was opened in 2004. By the time he resigned, as I noted in the post I wrote at the time , India was fretting that his departure could unleash tensions if it created a vacuum which could be exploited by Islamist militants.

So it will be interesting to see the kind of reception he is given in the sour atmosphere between India and Pakistan following last year’s Mumbai attacks. Interesting too to ask whether the worries expressed by Indian analysts about a rise in tension proved prescient, or if it was simply an accident of timing that the Mumbai attacks — which according to media reports could have taken up to a year to plan — happened just months after he quit.

(Reuters file photo of former president Pervez Musharraf)

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Mush is mohajir. Indians should welcome people disillusioned with Pakistan, wanting to visit land of their forefathers.

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“”I’m a french guy living in france i love indian culture.. etc but i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india. they are ready to let other countries ruining them and they absolutely dont care. one day india wont exist anymore and all indian women will wear islamic dress. its sad i liked this country i used to travel there , such a lovely place with nice people”"
- Posted by frenchboy

—Frenchboy: Thanks for your interest and concern about India. Are you really from france? does not matter though. I was in France few months ago for visit(Paris/Starsbourg). I liked it. I wish you were more clear which countries are you indicating that are runing India, although I got the point from “Islamic dress”. You said you love India-that is because the way India is–diverse in several ways-religion, culture, food and yes DRESS etc. If India is anything else you will not love India as much. Indians culture is peaceful/tolerant and the political system is secular/democracy/free media. This allows a lot of freedom to each and every Indian national, but leaves room for weaknesses too. Indians foreign policy has been not to attack, but respond to it properly in every way possible and has the means and spirit to do it. India does not flaunt or uses its military power against the neighbouring countries, but only in self-defenese and has shown it since its independence in 1947. India is a nuclear power with indigenous technology, although we like to use the word “Nuclear” sparingly since we are responsible. Since open wars have been unsuccessful against India, enemy has started proxy wars/terrorism as a tool. India has and is responding to that and I assure you that NO ONE CAN RUIN INDIA and it is going to be safe enough for you to visit. If you look at the countries who attack India, they are already being ruined, while India is there to stay untouched geographically and culturally.

“i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india.”
-Enemies of India have made precisely the same mistake and waged wars, but got shocked by Indian response and now know that’s in fact not the case. So remember, there is a difference between “coward” and “peaceful but aggressive enough to respond”.

“one day india wont exist anymore”
–I assure you the day will never come.

“and all indian women will wear islamic dress.”
- In India, the women are/will be free to wear whatever they want to wear (Muslim women are allowed to wear skirts) since India is not under Taliban’s control.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive
 

Musharraf is a Pakistani patriot and continues to serve the country. He is also good at TV interviews and I look forward to him giving a thrashing to India’s junk media.

It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den.

 

Bangash Khan writes: “It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den”

Thanks. I thought you guys never thought of India as a lion’s den.

Coming to Musharraf, if he is so bold as to walk into the lion’s den, why did he do an about turn when the Americans came to him and said you are either with us or against us? Shouldn’t he have the courage to say, “No we are Muslims and we will fight for each other against the infidels. We recognize the Taliban and will die for them.” ? If Musharraf had stood by the Taliban instead of stabbing on their backs and switch sides, his stature would have been high, even if he stood for the wrong people.

If Pakistan really cared for the Indian Muslim brothers as they claim, they would not resort to violence to make a point. They will pray for them and use peaceful means since they see India as a monster that will use their Muslim citizens as hostages.

We know very clearly that Pakistan has no agenda. All this talk about not being allowed to build the infrastructure and lay foundations by constant threat from India is a joke. If that is the case, India would never have progressed as a democracy and economic power. Your Musharraf has no such ideas and shares the myopic view mentioned above. It would be good if he comes to India and learns what India has done to achieve self-sufficiency, improve industrial base and work against the odds.

 

“Musharraf is a Pakistani patriot and continues to serve the country. He is also good at TV interviews and I look forward to him giving a thrashing to India’s junk media.
It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den.
- Posted by Bangash Khan

—-Patriot?–got Benazir killed? It was predicted and was done too.
Agreed. Mushy is great at talking ‘nothing’ or “non-sense”. Since India was the 1st one to invite Mushy, I see a trap to your paper lion this time. In addition ask him to wear mask, shoe-throwing is quite in fashion these days (Bush, Wen Jiabao, Mushy??). If some Indian for a moment forgets Mushy is a guest, I see a shoe flying towards Mushi’s face, while Mushi is busy ducking Indian questions.

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Musharraf going to India? who cares. He is a nobody as far as we are concerned. He was a dictator and no one really misses him except those who got some kind of ‘advantage’ when he was around. As far as reality is concerned, Zardari is leader. Most Pakistanis may not like this, but this is reality. Now make the most of this ‘reality’ and forget the dictator who’s moto was: musharraf first

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Syed
“Zardari is leader.”

—Mr10% is just 10% leader…90% is still Kyani.

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“Musharraf going to India? who cares. He is a nobody as far as we are concerned. He was a dictator and no one really misses him except those who got some kind of ‘advantage’ when he was around. As far as reality is concerned, Zardari is leader. Most Pakistanis may not like this, but this is reality. Now make the most of this ‘reality’ and forget the dictator who’s moto was: musharraf first”
- Posted by Syed

—You just made many Pakistanis unhappy. The question being asked is : Is Zardari somebody or is it Pakistani Army/ISI?–Quite valid if advantage has to be taken. What are your views?

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive
 

In Musharaf’s new book, in the India Times, he apparently is a supporter of the Militants in Kashmir.

He justifies terrorism against India, due to his military and moral support of the Kashmiri Militants.

Musharaff is a pure Terrorist Through and Through, lier, cheater, two-faced, conniving, terrorist trainer.

It is unfortunate that the terrorism attempts towards him did not succeed, after all he was reaping what he has sown and he will eventually reap it.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive
 

Bangash Khan said:

“Musharraf is a Pakistani patriot and continues to serve the country. He is also good at TV interviews and I look forward to him giving a thrashing to India’s junk media.

It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den.”

Musharraf is looking after himself and his buddies. He does not care about the average Pakistani. He has been caught double talking and been caught lying on the international stage so many times.

I look forward to the democratic, secular, plural, inclusive, globally respected, and intelligent society of India to tear this man’s integrity, what’s left of it to a million pieces.

We will shame this man and he will leave with no dignity, or pride, rest assured, he has come to shame Pakistan in front of the world. His clever excuse making and elaborate conspiracy stories are great in Pakistan, but the rest of the world exists in a place call “reality”.

The Global Mindset, like in Pakistan, does not revolve around hate, lying, two-faced agression against other countries.

Shame Mushy, he needs to get his head cleaned out really good.

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Hey folks ,

I was reading to al of your comments especially could like to tel our french friend to visit & see how people live together & then you can comment abt tis . We may be seperated in terms of religion , caste , language wat we speak but when it comes to India , we stand united am not sure abt politicians but as far as PEOPLE , we would like to send a strong signal & a msg to the world ”CUM TO INDIA & SEE DE WAY WE LIVE ” . When US signed the 123 agreement India , pakistan insisted eben they need to sign up an agreement similarly wit them, u know wat was the ans NO . We have shown the world tat INDIA is safe place to live & moreover SECULARISM & DIPLOMATISM always win so even we will the heights in few more years IF the cowards from neighbouring countries dont block our way.

 

It is unfortunate that the terrorism attempts towards him did not succeed, after all he was reaping what he has sown and he will eventually reap it.
- Posted by Global Watcher

—It will succeed, inshallah.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive
 

as for leadership,itis true90%is still the establishment GHQ(ISI).10%democracy that pakistan has is due to the great sacrifice made by the great leader Benazeer bhutto

Posted by asadullahkhan | Report as abusive
 

Pakistan should stop war mongering with India in its peoples’ interest. War is no solution.

 

“i love indian culture.. etc but i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india”
@frenchboy

Frenchboy,
India IS a loving country… we do not capture people from other countries and Behead them, we do not send loosers to murder other country’s citizens. We love our culture and that of all other Countries of the World. Regarding threat from Pakistan, we do not care whether pakistan even exist or not. The only time we think of them is when some blood sucker from their country comes and troubles us. I beleive India should go for a war IF IT GURANTEES to decide everything for once and all, either they stand or we annihilate them all.

You said – “one day india wont exist anymore and all indian women will wear islamic dress”
- Trust me that would never happen. Even only a fraction of muslim ladies do that in India. I am a Hindu but still I will say – Inshallah, this mess called Pakistan will soon be washed out.

Posted by Aaruni Upadhyay | Report as abusive
 

To FRENCHBOY….. India was ruled by Muslims for over 1200 years. Muslims improved India and left it with the Taj Mahal.

Then the French and British came and started looting the country.

Frenchie fry boy, pickup a book and read how your grandfathers helped rape and loot India.

I would suggest, you to also see your loot and rape from Algeria to the carribean and beyond, Muslims ruled with love of the people of India, they married with them, mixed their religion with them, shared the values and loved the land, they did not loot India to benefit a third country like Britain and France did, exploit nations to benefit the Motherland.

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mr Aaruni, first of all Pakistan is stronger than ever today, secondly pakistanis dont cut peoples throats, these are outsiders, serial killers and maniacs from other countries hiding in Pakistan, secondly have you ever heard of Muslim mobs in Pakistan burning and killing hindus in Pakistan?

But you must have heard of Hindu mobs routinely killing Muslims as in Gujarat, or Sikhs after Indira Gandhi was killed by her Sikhs bodyguards or burning and killing Christian villages by fanatic Hindu mobs, tell me where does this happen in Pakistan?

You Indians hate Pakistan and are obsessed with its destruction, but that hatred is only consuming you, and despite your size you are still a third world country.

Pakistan is a Nuclear power nation, we are going through a temporary bad patch, but just as Sri Lanka has finally won its war against Indian backed Tamils, we too will destroy these foreigners in our lands, who are misleading our people as the majority of Pakistanis are decent, hard working compassionate Muslims and the majority will not allow the few criminals, backed by India and Afghanistan to succeed.

Posted by Tariq Shah | Report as abusive
 

Tariq,
“Pakistan is stronger than ever today”
– With support of Taliban, and China.

“secondly pakistanis dont cut peoples throats”
– They bunt the whole train of people during partition.

“tell me where does this happen in Pakistan?”
– happens here http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&ar t=14259

“but that hatred is only consuming you, and despite your size you are still a third world country.”
– No begging with IMF or other nation for economy.

“Pakistan is a Nuclear power nation”
– Soon Obama or Osama will have a switch.

“We too will destroy these foreigners in our lands”
– Have guts to destroy the madrasas, then think of destroying them.

– Happy Valenties’ day

Posted by Blogger | Report as abusive
 

Tariq, F’Boy,
– Everyone looted India except Hindus.
As far Taj Mahal is concerned have a see here: http://www.stephen-knapp.com/taj_mahal_p hoto_one.htm

Posted by Blogger | Report as abusive
 

Bonjour!

All Indians on this blog are attempting to carry out a failed smear campaign to malign Pakistan. Just as the Indian government did not achieve anything, this is a futile exercise. Lets stick to the topic and express our views accordingly.

Thank you

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive
 

Tariq:
“India was ruled by Muslims for over 1200 years”

From What date do you count these 1200 years, Before Babur every Muslim invaded India, Looted and ran away to their own dirts. What is taj mahal worth of, may be its a fabulous monument of love, but do you know how many Workers got their hands chopped off, just to make sure that there was no other Taj. Classic example of Muslim cruelity.

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Umair bienvenu, vous êtes la plupart d’homme d’idiot que j’ai jamais vu

Pakis always sing Gujrat, and killing of the innocent Muslims, And samjhota express.

Does any Paki care about or even know about Sabarmati Express incident ?

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive
 

Punjabiyaar, merci! Toutes Indienne êtes idiote semblable à vous.

Who do you want to fool, the 2002 Gujarat violence describes a series of communal riots between the communities of Hindus and Muslims that took place in the Indian State of Gujarat between February and May 2002. In Naroda, according to Human Rights Watch, at least 65 Muslims were killed, many of them women who were sexually assaulted by violent hindu mobs.

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Umair and Tariq:
Explain the stats below about HIndus in Pakistan. Heard enough of Gujrat and other unfortunate incidents.

“””In August 1947, AT THE END OF BRITISH RAJ, THE POPULATION PERCENTAGE OF HINDUS IN WHAT IS TODAY IN PAKISTAN WAS PERHAPS AS HIGH AS 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2% in the years since independence. According to the 1998 PAKISTAN CENSUS, CASTE HINDUS CONSTITUTE ABOUT 1.6 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION OF PAKISTAN and about 6.6% in province of Sindh. The Pakistan Census separates Schedule Castes from the main body of Hindus who make up a further 0.25% of national population.””” slow and persistant ethnic cleansing, right? Nothing as glamorous as Gujrat but systematic. A lot to few ashamed about.
Rapes, abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls in Pakistant and forced marriages etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution _of_Hindus

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive
 

Tariq,
Do not mislead anyone that Islam was great for India and the love was overflowing. The whole Mughal rule is full of barbarity.
Some times I wonder that you guys have a different google. chinese can be excused for lack of information since China blocks information on the internet but what’s the problem with you.

It is simple to understand in theory that expansionsist cannot be peaceful.

The Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent led to widespread carnage because Muslims regarded the Hindus (all non-Muslims) as infidels and therefore slaughtered and converted millions of Hindus. The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period. VERY PEACEFUL INDEED!!!

Millions died and converted—Hindus, Sikhs and Budhists and jains.

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Umair Wrote:
“2002 Gujarat violence describes a series of communal riots between the communities of Hindus and Muslims”

Once again you failed to express any knowledge of Sabarmati Express incident at Godhra. This was the incident in which Muslim Mob set a train on fire and many Hindu pilgrims got burnt alive. Godhra sparked the communal riots and result we all know.

If you have half knowledge or no knowledge of Gujrat riots, you dont have to contest at this. Just try to read what others say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujara t_violence

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Tariq Shah
“Muslims improved India and left it with the Taj Mahal.”
—We would be eternally grateful if the ‘leftovers’ also leave & are most welcome to take the TajMahal with them…

“Muslims ruled with love of the people of India, they married with them, mixed their religion with them, shared the values and loved the land, “

—Now either go back to your land of origin or stay back & enjoy being ‘ruled’ by the people of India,if that’s how you perceive it- then they’ll be most obliged to ‘marry & mix religion’ with you’ll in the same manner…

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Punjabiyaar wrote:
“Once again you failed to express any knowledge of Sabarmati Express incident at Godhra. This was the incident in which Muslim Mob set a train on fire and many Hindu pilgrims got burnt alive. Godhra sparked the communal riots and result we all know.”

-I will take you back to 1992 when the historical Babri Mosque was demolished by violend hindu terrorists. India is suffering from communal violence and decay, Muslims will have to be given their rights, Sikhs and christians are also mistreated. What about the killings of christians in Orrissa in late 2008? who burnt alive the Australian missionaries? The international community is now realising India’s true face and it will be exposed more.
This is precisely the reason why muslims wanted their seperate country and Pakistan came into being. Today a nation of 170 million muslims and a leading muslim country, Pakistan stands as a united and strong nuclear power capable of dealing with every challenge. We have survived the dark days, you will see us prosper.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive
 

Umair
“muslims wanted their seperate country and Pakistan came into being. Today a nation of 170 million muslims”

—& 250 millions in India & 120 millions in Bangladesh—Proves the two nation theory to be a farce…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive
 

Umair Wrote:
“I will take you back to 1992 when the historical Babri Mosque was demolished by violend hindu terrorists”

So you are trying to say that Muslim Mob burnt a train because of the 1992 Incident of Babri Masjit. Please man have a break, drink a cup of tea and then think. Do you believe that Muslims took revenge of 1992 after 10 years in 2002. There has been a thousand terrorist incidents since 1992. So you are suggesting that Hindus are free to take revenge because most of the Hindus were killed in these acts of terrorism.

You also said “This is precisely the reason why muslims wanted their seperate country and Pakistan came into being.”

Precisely there are more Muslims in India than Pakistan. You guys always happen to ignore this fact, If India was not good enough why they are living here. They feel good here thats why they are staying and developing with the country.

On the other hand why Baluchistanis are demanding a new country. Whats wrong with them, they must be idiots, isn’t it ?

Only If Pakistan stops terrorist activities in Kashmir, and we could focus on each fold development you will find that Kashmiris are developing too. Kashmiris are suffering because of Pakistan. When Himachal being a hilly area is developing, why cant Kashmir be developed as a tourist place and there is lot of scope in industry as well there.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive
 

@Umair,
Babri Mosque is in India right !

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When Himachal being a hilly area is developing, why cant Kashmir be developed as a tourist place and there is lot of scope in industry as well there.

– Don’t say that, you’re hinting a survival to a seizing economy :P
– Pakistan’s Swiss’land is Taliban Land so they will flood to India Swiss’land lol

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Umair:
Gujrat was unfortunate for Muslims and Hindus both, without getting into who started. Would you please explain the depressing stats below about Hindus in Pakistan.
“””In August 1947, AT THE END OF BRITISH RAJ, THE POPULATION PERCENTAGE OF HINDUS IN WHAT IS TODAY IN PAKISTAN WAS PERHAPS AS HIGH AS 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2% in the years since independence. According to the 1998 PAKISTAN CENSUS, CASTE HINDUS CONSTITUTE ABOUT 1.6 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION OF PAKISTAN and about 6.6% in province of Sindh.”””
Slow and persistant ethnic cleansing, right? Nothing as glamorous as Gujrat but systematic. Rapes, abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls in Pakistan and forced marriages etc.
Last remaining Hindu temple in Lahore was demolished, right?
All minoroties are oppressed right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution _of_Hindus

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive
 

Mush is mohajir. Indians should welcome people disillusioned with Pakistan, wanting to visit land of their forefathers.
- Posted by MQM
We already make their(Pak) artists and cricketers rich, so we can not have reverse immigration here.
BTW The real issue is they will brainwash Indian muslims with their irreversible and contagious hatred of hindus.

 

I wonder how the Indians will treat the ex-COAS of Pakistan Army after the mumbai attacks..

Posted by Muhammad Rizwan Malik | Report as abusive
 

I really don’t understand what Mr. musharraf wants to prove now by takin part in the conclave in India.it is such a funny act on his part that he would(probably) discuss India and pak relations now, when he is no more in power, wats the use?? if he would have cared then conditions would have been a alot better, failure of agra summit was due to his rigidity on kashmir issue.

all of the above the world knows that he was the principle man behind the kargil war, this fact now has been revealed by Mr. Nawaz Sharif himself, the then prime minister of pak. so wats the use of this man discussing a such a hot issue which demands total honesty and commitment.it is only an act of getting attention back on him and this time when the environment between the two countries is hostile then he himself should have applied his brain by not coming to India…or to be specific he should not be allowed to enter India. Mr mush.. go and analyse yourself!!

Posted by shanky | Report as abusive
 

@Punjabiyaar

Muslim kings defeated Hindu kings. Thats the way it was back in the day. Those defeats and 1,000 years of Muslim rule is part of the Indian inferiority complex till this day.

 

@Punjabiyaar,
Muslim kings defeated Hindu kings. Thats the way it was back in the day. Those defeats and 1,000 years of Muslim rule is part of the Indian inferiority complex till this day.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

–One major reason for a Muslim–whether in India or Pakistan-to look at the 1200yrs history objectively & without chest tumping is that you never know you are a converted. Aamir perhaps your ancestors were Hindu and who knows how they were (mis)treated that you are a Muslim today–there are several ways conversion can be done–first make sure of your ancestory before making claims. Just a suggestion.

Now about your point, we are not in denial-No denying that Muslims invaded India and ruled–perhaps that’s why we know the meaning of freedom more than a Paki does–we do not gift away the land to China, nor cede to Taliban. If I was a Paki I will say Indians ruled Muslims for >1000yrs! Any way, ASSUMING Mughals were great, what does that has to do with Pakistan’s improvement?, what is your contribution-ZERO? You can not even hold onto your country for 20yrs and broke into 2 pieces-remember 1971 Bangladesh and in 2009 SWAT is lost and the grip is losening and experts expect a total collapse in short time–But I wish you well. That is the hallmark of a loser–to live in the past–sadly you do not even know. Today. Pakistan in its entirety has zero contribution to itself, its neighbors and the whole world. You are living in the past which you do not even know. India was doing well in the past and is doing well now. We are in fine shape. In your message, I see between the lines the meaning that Pakistan is suffering from an inferiority complex because Mughals were kicked out by Brits.

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It saddens me when I read comments based on wrong facts. Every one of us should realize what impact these comments are going to make for the future of India and Pakistan. We should try to learn from Europeans whose history has been full of wars, victories and defeats, but all have formed a Union ( European Union ) giving free movement to all and right to work in any of the member states. In India and Pakistan, we already have many problems, we can not add on and should try to solve. Please think before you say any thing. We will get result on what we do today.

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