Musharraf planning to visit India

February 6, 2009

Former President Pervez Musharraf was always one for the grand gesture. So it should come as no surprise that after a period of relative obscurity following his resignation in August last year, he will visit India as part of a series of lectures he plans to give worldwide.

In an interview with the BBC, Musharraf, who has just returned from a trip to the United States, said he was enjoying his retirement and had been invited to give lectures on Pakistan and the South Asian region around the world. “He said the first invitation he had accepted was from India, where he expected to speak at a conference in Delhi next month,” the BBC said.

“I love this life. I am relaxed and satisfied. And I am enjoying my lecture tours,” he told Pakistan’s Dawn newspaper. “Next month I am going to India for the same purpose. Let’s counter the Indians on their own home ground.”

India always had a rather ambiguous attitude to the Delhi-born former general. After blaming him for the 1999 Kargil war, it later began to see him as a man with whom it could make peace and it was under Musharraf that a formal India-Pakistan peace process was opened in 2004. By the time he resigned, as I noted in the post I wrote at the time , India was fretting that his departure could unleash tensions if it created a vacuum which could be exploited by Islamist militants.

So it will be interesting to see the kind of reception he is given in the sour atmosphere between India and Pakistan following last year’s Mumbai attacks. Interesting too to ask whether the worries expressed by Indian analysts about a rise in tension proved prescient, or if it was simply an accident of timing that the Mumbai attacks — which according to media reports could have taken up to a year to plan — happened just months after he quit.

(Reuters file photo of former president Pervez Musharraf)

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It is very unfortunate there are people (especially in the Western media) who listen to this guy who is posing as a moderate, enlightened man. He was a sponsor and perpetrator of jihadi terrr like any other Pakistan army general. He launched the Kargil war in 1999 and responsible for the loss of thousands of poor soldiers on either side. He refused to take back the bodies of pak soldiers and India had to bury them.

Don’t Pakistan which doesn’t allow its cricket players to play IPL in India due to security concerns has any concerns to allow lecturer musharaff to travel to India ?? Is the former president so unwanted there ?? or are they happy to send him away just escape his boring lectures ?

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

Pervez M will be speaking at the India Today Conclave in New Delhi early in March

Posted by Kushan | Report as abusive

Anitha:

I think India should not allow him here, Why we are giving him a visa in the first place, he has no power and absolutely no authority, Whom did he think he will meet, Vajpayee is sadly on the death bed now and Manmohan is not well too, other people will not give him the seven star treatment as he got last time.

Probably ISI is planning to Assassinate him and then blame Indians for it, in response of the Indian Dossier.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

He is coming during some conference in Delhi..rather than people it would be more in the interest of media and people who are willing to put up an argument with him..
If ISI kills him in India..so what ? who cares ?? He is someone not wanted anywhere..

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

G’day,

The largest democracy of the world should be ready to listen to one of our leaders. It is the basic right of every individual to have different opinions but respect should be enjoyed on both ends.

My dear Indian friends, Pakistani and Indian people have lost the peace cause to the shameless acts of Mumbai attacks. One should not stereotype a whole nation at any cost.

Who are the real winners in whole episode? Terrorists and Hard-liners, who have derailed the peace process.

Peace for all.

With love,
Abbas Naqvi.

Posted by Abbas Naqvi | Report as abusive

I suggest Bush and Musharraf should join hands to do some good, they screwed up a lot during last years in power.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Indian hospitality——

First request him to come over, issue him a visa then….

surely we can read the response from few idiots above lol, who have put their views forwards and believe me most indidans have this mentality…NOT ALL

carry on you are exposing yourself with your garbage..

————IDIOTS——————-

Posted by Hussain | Report as abusive

anitha maybe you should have one to one with him… the old boy still got charisma and must have earned lot of dollars so surely he give you a tip….

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Oh No thank you Ali, You seem to be more interested in charismatics boys and dollars..you can have him all for yourself..after that tell us all in your comments how he treated you.

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

As a Pakistani, I feel Pervez Musharraff was arguably the finest leader we have ever had. He launched a wave of economic reform & social progress that had the country growing at 7% per year. He also moved towards mending relations with India(which unfortunately were not recoprocated by our hypocritical pesk neighbour). Either way, I dont feel he should be going to that country…they are showing petulance & tantrums @ the best of times & I wish he could change his plans.

Posted by Qasim | Report as abusive

I see no harm. he will be not be on official duty and let us see this side of the mango. If he is really into it sincerely, he can do a lot—but only if he is. I doubt he is if I read him well from this statement of his “Let’s counter the Indians on their own home ground.”

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

the Tags on this blog shows that india is more interested in pakistan then its ownself, wat eva abt Musharraf plzzz indians salute him and give him honor for his unmarkable cheapest acts to harm islam! do ask him abt the flavor of his favorite drink!!!

Posted by Sufian | Report as abusive

the Tags on this blog shows that india is more interested in pakistan then its ownself, wat eva abt Musharraf plzzz indians salute him and give him honor for his remarkable cheapest acts to harm islam! do ask him abt the flavor of his favorite drink!!!

Posted by Sufian | Report as abusive

Sufian, what the hell ar you talking about…this is neither and Indian blog or a Pakistani blog. The reason that Pakistan has that big tag is that there have been lots of references to Pakistan in various articles here – especially about terrorism and Taliban.

trust me, Indians have no interest in pakistan now except that we want it to destroy its terror infrastructure which has endangered the whole world. We used to welcome your artists, singers and comedians with open arms but there’s no point because you military will never change and will always work separately from your civilian govt. to keep the tensions high. We would rather have the borders sealed and cancel ties rather than endanger our people and engage in a pointless peace process where on the one hand Pakistan talks peace and the other hand exports jihadis into India to wreck havoc.

Myra,
Its not just Indian but also many Pakistanis who believe that Musharraf was responsible for Kargil.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/09/10/stories/ 2007091059781400.htm
“Sharif admits he ‘let down’ Vajpayee on Kargil conflict
Claims he had no knowledge of ‘subversion’ by Musharraf, regrets not taking action.”

Musharraf doesn’t have a great fan following in india and India did business with him in the past because he was Head of State of Pakistan. Peace process started during Sharif Vajpayee time and not in Musharraf’s time. Because of him Agra summit broke down because he wanted to call Kashmiri Terrorist as Freedom fighters. All the later drama of peace process was to keep the international community happy and keep the dolloars rolling. Though he banned LeT under US pressure, he allowed them to function as before which resulted in 26/11. He is just a suave crook which cannot be trusted.

Now out of office he wields no power and consequently is of no consequence to Indian govt. And his intentions behind the visit are amply clear by his comment that “Let’s counter the Indians on their own home ground.”
He can not do anything good to the already damaged relations but surely he can make them worse with his loose comments.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

This is a freakin joke!!!!!!!! Wonder who in the right mind in India would have invited him?

Prakash
Denver, Colorado

Mr.Joker of Kargil crisis who wanted to use Nuclear Weapons against India during the 1999 clashes is going to speak at a conference in Delhi? Indians are weak and forget everything very quickly.

Posted by haradhs | Report as abusive

Myra,

It is interesting to know that Musharraf can delver laectures ? Is he now lecturing on how to promote terrorism or launch military coup and how to usurp power in the name of democracy? Musharraf is expert on double talk , from the left hand he talks peace and his right hand sends his terrorist to launch attack on the Indian Parliament ?

Musharraf is most welcome to visit India, for 5000 years of Indian history, India has welcomed from huns to mughals, turks, persians, afghans, europeans and even pakistanis to launch terrorist attacks in mumbai. Myra, you will doing great service to your readers here if you can publish the transcript of his past lectures ? What subject is he talking about ?

Posted by anju2008 | Report as abusive

I agree with Abbas Naqvi. Just listening to what he says will do no harm.To agree or not is our choice.Also, moderates and artist from borders should not be barred from visiting. We should be open to rationalism, should’nt we.

Posted by rkunj | Report as abusive

Guys Guys Guys Cool Down !

Lets throw some shoes at him.

Pakis and Saudis will start bidding on the shoes. NOT

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

Oh shut up everyone. Really, he is a former head of a nuclear-armed country and at the same time former head of that country’s military. People care what he says, that is obviously why he is going to these places.

I don’t understand how this is being circulated in the media – that the Indians felt he was someone ‘they could do business with.’ That is to say that India never found a peace partner across the border and thus that is why there could be no agreement reached. The reality is they don’t want to give in on Kashmir and wish to continue comitting terrible atrocities there.

Maybe this means Musharraf gave in on the Indians’ bluff, that is ignoring for a half a century the elephant in the room (Kashmiri atrocities). He’s an idiot if thats the case and good riddance…

Posted by A-squared | Report as abusive

Mushy Boy is a darling! A little bit of mudslinging by him won’t hurt us much, infact we’ve still preserved his Delhi house, he’s most welcome to stay there or we can gift him a grand farmhouse, he’ll be appointed special advisor to RAW & India’s anti-terrorist squad, wow, he’ll be a prize catch, a goldmine…Welcome Mushy.

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Hey why so nagetive thinking,Mr Musharraf is still working for betterment of the country through his leactures around the world and what our plolitician are doing?just fighting for power and lust.A leader with vision PAKISTAN COMES FIRST and still going with his solagan.long live MUSHARRAF

Posted by Akber | Report as abusive

Well, I dont think he has anything wise to say anywhere. He couldnt lead Pakistan out of the mess when he was the most powerful man in Pakistan. He had all the political leaders that mattered in exile, the military under his belt and bureaucracy too. He couldnt do anything but create more mess in Pakistan. Economically Pakistan is as week as any African country and is at the brink of total state collapse thanks to him. When he grabbed power in 1999, Pakistan’s economic measures were compared with India (the arch rival) but now when he has left, Pakistan is being compared to Afghanistan.

Yes, he is darling of US, because US has always supported dictatorships around the world specially in Latin America and Middle East.

Yes, go listen to Musharraf and please let us know his ‘pearls of wisdom’… I for one would like to sit outside each of his lectures and demand that he answer why there were military operations in Baluchistan (a secular separatist movement), why NWFP was made to slide into chaos, why crimes against women were endorsed by calling victims as looking for canadian visas, I will ask him what has he gain by disappearing thousands of Pakistanis, and more importantly if he was such a liberal why was he hell bent to destroy the only large scale middle class liberal movement in Pakistan, i.e., the lawyers movement.

Posted by sophasnain | Report as abusive

Anup…..

little boy tell your mummy to be ready to give some Mushy love to the General after all fauji hay fauji…
teri maa tay baray baray slaute maray gaa bachu..lol

Anup at least you admit you are one of those little, single pasli slumdog ryte…keep on working hard in that call center and plz dont use the name John be proud of your indians names.. accent typical indian aur naam goray kaa wa g wa lol…

Where are the surgical strikes by the coward indian???

Dont worry Mushy gone to do a surigical on your mummy boy….ACTION — PAKISTAN
—- TALK —-INDIA! THATS THE BOTTOM LINE TO COWRDS.

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

“Mushy Boy is a darling!”

Anup STOP copying your mother only she is ALLOWED to call him that!!! You got it you little naughty boy…

Posted by aLI | Report as abusive

reading some of the comments in here, just reaffirms why majority of india and pakistan is still just a large slum. some of you really are slum dogs, say what you want about each other, but no matter how much your GDP increases, its your IQs that really need to increase.

Posted by sidney | Report as abusive

Give Australia back to the abrujnees….

look whos giving us a lesson in IQ wenr your forefather biggest crooks in UK and they were put in ships and offloaded in australia.

So go to hell you aussie and sort your cricket out lol.

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Ali wrote:

“Give Australia back to the abrujnees….

look whos giving us a lesson in IQ wenr your forefather biggest crooks in UK and they were put in ships and offloaded in australia.

So go to hell you aussie and sort your cricket out lol.”

Well, again Ali, you perpetuate the Islamic Double Standard. We in the civilized portion of it understand the concept of do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Therefore, since you say the UK took Australia, I feel the Arab invaders took India. So I can repeat your answer back to you, line by line and replacing UK in your reply with Arab and replacing Australia in your reply with India.

The Israeli solution can be fixed. Hypothetically, if Israelis leave Arab lands, then should not Pakistani’s leave Indian land (where Pakistan is formed?). I know this is no going to happen, but I am trying to make a point, but I think you are too stupid to comprehend simple concepts.

I don’t see any Arab countries advocating Indian land to be vacated, but I do see them thumping their chest over Arab land taken by Israel.

Why so many double standards? Do the double standards exist for the soul purpose of Islamicizing the whole world? If that is the case, there will be millenia of hate and fighting that will never stop and the rest of the world does not intend to lose.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Musharraf has to be given credit for bringing democracy and help to promote free press. At the same time he did make a serious mistake by suspending constitution and firing of judges. In balance he has done lot good for Pakistan as well improving relation with India.
There is no harm in Musharraf giving a lecture in India and hope someone do the same from other side. India seems to be bend on blaming Pakistan even if someone shot up a donkey there. Both countries need to cooperate to better lot their people.

Posted by Truth | Report as abusive

“India seems to be bend on blaming Pakistan even if someone shot up a donkey there. Both countries need to cooperate to better lot their people.”

Its quite funny lets admit it and No wonder Ali is hell bent on proving indians are idiots. Indians are doing a good job doing that and ali is just good at provoking.

Why didnt the indians take the offer of joint co-operation from the highest level in Pakistan?

Whi did it take in the words of High commisioner of Pakistan to UK…”It took Indians 42 days to compile the dossier but took them not even 24hrs to blame Pakistan?”.

Posted by John | Report as abusive

“India seems to be bend on blaming Pakistan even if someone shot up a donkey there. Both countries need to cooperate to better lot their people.”

Donkeys are “SHOT” only in pakistan, Pakis even killed the animals for not following Shariat and the Idiot talibanis They kill goats which point their tail upward.

“Why didnt the indians take the offer of joint co-operation from the highest level in Pakistan?”

This is quite idiotic, Will you offer an accused thief, to do the investigation over robbery.

”It took Indians 42 days to compile the dossier but took them not even 24hrs to blame Pakistan?”.

It was a report and needed inputs from CIA as well which obviously take time, on the other hand Pak always denied that terrorist KASAB was a paki, they also had to sack “Durrani” for leaking the truth. You know thats why indians did not take the offer of Joint investigation.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

Hang on a minute idiot —–

India is compiling the dossier and needs the input of CIA??? lol Are you saying that you indians are so incompotent can NOT even put a dossier together.

Oh I get you idiot after all the yanks are best at making dodgy dossier for e.g. the one they used to attack Iraw for weapons of mass destruction…

You idiots make me laugh and Rajeeeve save your breath after all diot wil never admit he is one but certainly have proved it.

“Donkeys are “SHOT” only in pakistan” I guess you lot get more usage out of erm like bum erm ryte after all could be one of wifes that dies and come back as a donkey? lol there is a strong possibility….

Posted by John | Report as abusive

“Will you offer an accused thief, to do the investigation over robbery.”

We are NOT talking about a thief you stupid prick we are talking about two countries co-oprating ok…so no theif and no robbery get that in your thick brain…

Bt then I would be asking too much…you are just like your mummu I ask to get on all four dogy style she puts one leg up…I can understand it runs in your blood to take right is wrong n wrong as right…lol

Dont worry NOT your fault kathri lol….

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

@Mr. John Ali

Check the dossier once again, There are some inputs from CIA and possibly some other agencies too. Idiot, its not the Binding or Printing of Dossier which needs “CIA”. Are you half Paki or Full Paki, sorry half terrorist or full terrorist.

On the lighter side You have a great knowledge of “Donkeys” and wives, are you involved in some kind of Animal se-x, or its your wife ? Whatever !

Tell this to Americans which believe the “Donkey Riders” from Afghanistan/Pakistan Destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands.

Tell this to Britons who said that 75 % of Terrorist attacks on UK are linked back to Pakistan.

BTW people are people and 170 people got killed in Mumbai not your s-ex partner “Mr. Donkey”.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

Ali:
“We are NOT talking about a thief ”

Ali no matter how big terrorist you are, for me and Indians you are not more than a scrap thief.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

“reading some of the comments in here, just reaffirms why majority of india and pakistan is still just a large slum. some of you really are slum dogs, say what you want about each other, but no matter how much your GDP increases, its your IQs that really need to increase.”
- Posted by sidney

—-Sidney, can you tell us which country you belong to so that we can relate better with your comments. Also please provide more insight on the issue at hand than passing judgements, as you did like bunching over billion people from 2 countries into one. Well what more can I say than “Sidney, welcome to the club”

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

“Whi did it take in the words of High commisioner of Pakistan to UK…”It took Indians 42 days to compile the dossier but took them not even 24hrs to blame Pakistan?”.
- Posted by John

—-If I can understand you right, then I will ask how much time it takes to prove Kasab is from Pakistan (over 2-3 weeks????). That’s a joke, Dawn knows, Pak does not. Also, sacking of NSA chief Durrani for agrreeing with the media that Kasab is a Pakistani National. Do they not tell the lack of sincereity of Paksitan? Isn’t it? Does that not support enough not to trust Pakistan in joint investigation.

Moreove, Mumbai is just one case, there is a history for lack of trust.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

John, I tell you cannot better Ali in this game “who is the bigger IDIOT” you started?—lol

Good luck!

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

He is unwanted in India. Just recently, I heard him on TV talking to jurnos in Pakistan “we are not wearing bangles and give a befitting reply to India, if they try to invade”. He is anti-Indian thick and thin. Remember, he refused to salute PM Vajpayee, when he went to Pak on a State visit!

Posted by Praveen | Report as abusive

Anup and PunjabiYaar

Don’t argue with Ali and his cahoots.
“Never get in a fight with a pig because you will both get muddy…and the pig likes it!”

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

General Musharaf is responsible for sabotaging Bajpai’s visit to Lahore by planning & executing Kargil, not caring that Nawaz Sharif & Bajpai were sincerely trying to bring neighbors to a level of friendship necessary for mutual understanding & development. It does not matter wether Nawaz Sharif was briefed. It was Musharaf as head of Pakistan army who planned & executed Kargil to derail the peace process and pave the road for toppling Nawaz Sharif’s government. Of course he succeeded. The Army supported him because good relations with India could translate into less spending on the army and more on development. Besides Musharaf by disclosing that the Civilian administration was fully informed broke state secrets and should have been court martialed for insubordination and refusing to salute Bajpai. India should not invite this crook for any speaking tour. If anything they should transport him Baluchistan to answer the deaths of hundreds including Nawab Akbar Bugti.

The only thing going for this crook is that he can speak gramatically correct English. In this lies Pakistan’s misfortune.

India & Pakistan share the same land and will continue to do so till dooms day. Why not be friends and let bygones be bygones. For God sake, we share the same language culture music and sports. What more do any two countries need to be good friends. We must protect our neighborhood and not allow outsiders to interfere in our affairs.

Posted by Pardesi | Report as abusive

@pardeshi

Again that perpetual myth that India and Pakistan share the same culture and language. Pakistan has similarity only to a section and part of India and not India as a whole. Tell me what is common between a Pakistani and a Tamil?
There are some prerequisite that need to be met before India will even come to the talk table. The first and foremost is justice to the people who died in 26/11. Second being end to cross border terrorism.

India is and can still progress and prosper without Pakistan. It only expects Pakis to stop cross border terrorism. Mark my word when i say that after 26/11 Indian govt and Indian people are running short of patience with Pakistan and any further attacks on Indian soil will result in cataclysmic changes to the sub continent.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

Musharraf is a terrorist like all Pakis are. Look at any terrorist attack across the world and you can be sure that there will be a Paki link to it. Today Pakistan exports only one commodity; terrorists and terrorism. How much longer should the evil state of Pakistan and its evil terrorist citizens be allowed to exist. They have become a cancerous tumor. The only treatment for the cancerous tumor that terrorist Pakistan is to give it a massive dose of chemotherapy in form of a massive nuclear strike on Pakistan to annihilate all its evil terrorist citizens.

Posted by Abi | Report as abusive

“”"”Again that perpetual myth that India and Pakistan share the same culture and language. Pakistan has similarity only to a section and part of India and not India as a whole. Tell me what is common between a Pakistani and a Tamil?”"”"”
- Posted by chirkut to Pardesi

—Chirkut: Just to be fair, I want to jump in and say that Pakistani/Tamil dissimilarity in culture and language is as much as that between a Himachli or UPite with a Tamil. Do not forget more than one Pakistan full of Muslims in India. In pressing the argument for such similarity as the basis for stronger ties, this is quite valid.

Religion is the major issue (should I say problem).

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Anup STOP copying your mother only she is ALLOWED to call him that!!! You got it you little naughty boy…

- Posted by aLI

Ali your dad beat everyone to it, right now he is in mushys room dancing in a thong…lol why dont you join them have a paki bang

Posted by indian1127 | Report as abusive

John
“after all the yanks are best at making dodgy dossier for e.g. the one they used to attack Iraw(you mean Iraq?) for weapons of mass destruction…”

—Yes, we want the yanks to prepare a similar one on Pakistan…the saving grace is that this time they need not indulge in ‘dodgyin it’ – they sending the architect of Iraq’s WMD to Pakistan – Holbrooke!

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

All Indian RATS are out of their hiding holes or were they just busy answering calls at the call centres and just got time to reply…lol

Better late then NEVER!!

Mushy is cuming on India lol. I dont get you idiots you invite him, issue him a visa then you want to pick bones typical indians never satisfied. No wonder they need someone like Mushy power…

Rajeeve, Anup, Indian127 and all the rest of you RATS lol

Mushy Fauji hay fauji tumari sab ki maa par baray baray SALUTE maray gaa after all he didnt slaute Vagpiyee who is he? So what he didnt slaute him he wasnt worth it anotherindian RAT!!!

But dont worru he’ll make up it just aks your mata g’s yo wear the best saris aur phir watch… Ukay Slaute ki power!!!

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Ali wrote:
“Ukay Slaute ki power”

Yea Yea Yea !

We know how pak Faujis and Gen. KIANI salute to American Drones.

We also know the way ZARDARI and co. lines up and SALUTE to AMERICANS and gave them Hilal-e-Quaid-e-Azam

You know what, Americans are so afraid of coming to Pakistan, They fear that Zardari may give a medal to them. And yes a Salute too.

Power of Salute.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

@Ali

Pakistan will vanish into the pages of History its days are numbered.

The Pakistani nukes will be confiscated. The CIA and India will buy the Paks in power. Corrupt societies produce corrupt individuals.

It is time for the IMF to revoke all its loans. Time for all countries to break off all diplomatic ties with India.

The UN member countries need to stage a massive invasion force of 500,000 troops and disarm Pakistan by force.

Pakistani’s talk a big game, let’s see what you will do without your nukes. Either way, if you guys use one on India, Pakistan will be a large black scratch on this earth.

Why don’t you guys just save the trouble and hand over the nukes to the U.S.

Overnight, this will elevate Pakistan’s status into a truly peaceful country.

Then the terrorist infrastructure should be dismantled.

@Ali,

By the way Afghanistan can have their Pashtun land back from Pakistan. The Pashtuns are tired of being repressed by the Punjabis in Islamabad.

The 500,000 strong force should occupy Pakistan and destroy the terrorist infrastructure, just like in Iraq.

Except this time, the “Weapons of Mass Deception” in Pakistan will be rooted out and eliminated.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Ali

— Atthar pe patthar, patthar pe tota
Teri Maa Ko thoka, tu kyon rotaa

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Rajeev
“or such similarity as the basis for stronger ties,”
—This is exactly the worst nightmare of the ruling class of Pakistan- Pakistan even after six decades is undergoing identity crisis & any such ‘valid’ development will threaten it’s very existence rendering it ‘invalid’.

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

anup sun teri maa no kothay da laann!!

Kothay tay kohta, kothay tay soi
teri maa ni pudi aur piu di toi!!

Yo sewage RAT get back in your filthy hole you idiotic
untouchable indian lol

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

How do you blow up an indian – Press the RED button lol

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

Pardesi wrote:
…we share the same language culture music and sports. What more do any two countries need to be good friends. We must protect our neighborhood and not allow outsiders to interfere in our affairs….

We do not share same language, infact India itself has many languages. So obviously different music and sports.

Trust is required for 2 countries to be a good friends, unfortunately we cannot even call Pakistan an enemy.

First protect our homes then neighborhood. We’re not a fairy tale Spiderman for neighborhood.

Posted by Blogger | Report as abusive

How do you blow up Pakistani
– Hide the moon after Ramadan

Posted by Blogger | Report as abusive

punajbiputar what happend to your dream of khalistan?

Siraf do goli khai aur pagri zameen par rakh thi…thats your sikh seena chori mera laan. Indian cowards even did not spare in your holiest shrine killed you one by one like rats as they are…

Teri maa thay puday which chali gai sikh azadi????

Thats why I call the idiots incompotent….

All you lot can do make a bollywood movie to show what you good at but inrealiity well we all know the single pasli commnadoes in Mumbai ha ha ah fcking hopless they were lying under buses lol. Honestly makes me laugh and you want the world to see you as mini superpower in your dreams….

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

That was a weak attempt, blowing paki got to do with moon ??? weak thinking blogger when did you finish your job in call center hope you used your own beloved name that your mama gave you????lol

Posted by ali | Report as abusive

The biggest betrayer to the citizens of Pakistan….and to his leaders the Indians can do one good thing to cool down the tension and to restart the process of confidence building and good neighbourly relations.
Catch Musharaaff take him to Gateway of India remove his pants and undies and let everyone spank him for Rs one per shot and the money collected should be sent to Pakistan to feed its people and to improve its economic condition.

Posted by teddy | Report as abusive

Chand ko chupado saale bhooke mar jayenge, dund dund ke thag jaaoge, ab tum ko blow up kya karna khud hi maare jaoge.

Durson ki Ma pe itna gAli dete ho saale, apne Ma se jake pucho ‘Ma’ kya hoti hai, aur ‘Ma’ ko thokna kya hota hai.

Kyun na ho tere Mohammad ne bhi kitne ‘Maon’ ka kya kuch nahin kiya….
Jaise teri kudha vaise unke bande.

Posted by Blogger | Report as abusive

“or such similarity as the basis for stronger ties,”
—This is exactly the worst nightmare of the ruling class of Pakistan- Pakistan even after six decades is undergoing identity crisis & any such ‘valid’ development will threaten it’s very existence rendering it ‘invalid’.
- Posted by Anup”"”

—Anup, but I am NOT suggesting “culture and language” as the basis to merge India/Pakistan, we are done with that since much before 1947, but formally in 1947.

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The rantings and ravings on this website could serve well as a comedy act!

No wonder the Kashmir dispute has never been solved. But it points out that only Indians and Pakistanis can volley like this.

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@Rajeev
“Just to be fair, I want to jump in and say that Pakistani/Tamil dissimilarity in culture and language is as much as that between a Himachli or UPite with a Tamil. Do not forget more than one Pakistan full of Muslims in India. In pressing the argument for such similarity as the basis for stronger ties, this is quite valid.”

That is exactly my point. India is so diverse than you cannot compare the whole of India with another entity.
There are 28 states in the Union of India. Take a % of how many states have some similarity with Pakistan. And you will get the idea.
Your second point of equating Paki Muslims with indian muslims is also very weak. If a benagli muslim was similar to a Paki punjabi muslim then why Bangladesh was formed? Forget about Pakistan even a Bihari muslim does not share much similarity with a Bengali or a Malyali Muslim.

Is forcing a similarity yielding India anything? NO. India is still a target of Paki hatred and cross border terrorism. And Why we need to enforce a similarity to have good ties? Similarity is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition to have good ties. We still have good ties with Russia and nothing much similar to her

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Guys,
Wish this guy to visit India than Mushy :P
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_qu ery=zahid+hamid&search_type=

Enjoy the show :)

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@ Blogger
Yes, Zaid Hamid is a Nut case. I watched his video to know what goes inside a terrorist sympathizer Paki’s brain.
Unfortunately its all garbage and evil. He seems to have a lot of admirers on net and Ali and his cahoots use lot of his bogus statistics to further their points.

Ex: India is rid by 50 separatist movements. And then they count Naxal movement in this count and map it in Bihar, Chattisgarh, MP, AP and MH. These stupid do not even know that Naxal movement is not a separatist movement

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The rantings and ravings on this website could serve well as a comedy act!
No wonder the Kashmir dispute has never been solved. But it points out that only Indians and Pakistanis can volley like this.
- Posted by Alethia

Alethia, you should not target a nation like this since your country –US- isso vulnerable in each and every respect. Correct me if I am wrong. The difference perhaps could be the due to the ignorance in general of your country people vs here who are into the issues. Americans think US is world—so Superbowl winner is called world champion!.You need to have some knowledge to “volley” .Agreed this current disussion has less substance. But you visiting India and Pak few times will not tell allow you to know what’s going on here. I have heard the corridor talk from Americans—kind of woken up in ignorance and still not much different. Your govt does all the volleying on your country’s behalf. Throwing nuclear bombs on nation etc. Talking about “volleying”, in the evening of 9/11, I was shocked to see that students in US are as happy as on 9/10—saw them stoned and drunk—sad sight that was. Dance Clubs still going. Alethia do no pass judgments. This is global problem except you play the game on the road-no home game except on 9/11 forced on you.

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Alethia:
correction:
I have heard the corridor talk from Americans after 9/11—kind of woken up in ignorance and still not much different.

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chirkut:
Absolutely, it was very funny to watch Analysis in Action and with Anchor :P
ex: Indian Zionist lol

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– Everyone duck down an Alethic US Drone…. on Kashmir dispute

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Chirkut
I hear you loud and clear. I am not suggesting merger!. Ties are at different levels and may not apply everywhere-Russia was geopolitical need of that time. Assuming that the whole of India was not pro-Russia at that time, but still it worked. But what’s the reason for a Punjabi and Tamil be together –Indian?, they do find something common to work. Nothing is black and white. You seem to be suggesting that only if whole of India has similarity with whole of Pak, there can be such efforts. I say Statesmanship can use these factors for advantage at the right time-that is not now. I know the realities on the ground.

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chirkut:
Absolutely, it was very funny to watch Analysis in Action and with Anchor
ex: Indian Zionist lol

- Posted by Blogger

That guy needs to be in house arrest for Paki interest, if they see it that way. he is hilarious.

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Blogger:

You may chuckle that I am a drone on the Kashmir dispute, but wait until you see Richard Holbrooke in action. He can do rings around any seasoned diplomat…

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Some time back a Paki blogger posted about new graves found of civilian Kashmiris caught in between the counter-terrorism operations. Since then I was trying to find out some data on Pak’s NWFP operatioin.
Well here is the data
“Approximately 12,000 civilians and 200 security forces have died in Pakistani Army operations against Mehsud and his allies in Swat and Bajaur, while killing only 75 “neo-Taliban” in the process”
http://www.daily.pk/pakistan/pakistannew s/9369-uspakistan-showdownthrowdown-july 12.html
This figure is equally grim. But i will not point fingers at Pakistan coz i understand that counter-terrorism is a dirty job. And no matter how hard anyone tries, the civilian causalities are the highest. We can only try to minimize it but only with limited success.

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Pakistan having been formed based on a religious identity, sees everything outside of it from the same perspective – it sees India as a Hindu nation. It sees the Western world as a Christian entity. This is the core of the problem. There is nothing inside Pakistan to remove this myopic mind set. That India has more Muslims than Pakistan does not matter as a result. India is way too diverse to be termed as belonging to any specific religious, ethnic, linguistic, racial or class group. It sure is dominated by a group depending upon the perspective – Hindu if it is a religious perspective, Hindi speaking people if seen from a linguistic perspective, Northern Indian “aryans” if seen from a racial perspective and so on. If you look at the Pakistani system, there has never been any attempt made to understand this diversity of India. Doing so would have brought more understanding and tolerance towards Indians. But their leaders and establishment wanted quick gains to power and took the opposite path which clubs all of India as a Hindu nation trying to destroy Pakistan at all times and working out ways to achieve that end. Musharraf comes from this school of indoctrination. He hates India passionately and would love to try Pakistan’s nuclear weapons on India if he has a choice. His sudden switch as an ally on the war of terrorism was due to one and only one reason. If he did not, India was ready to work with the US and Pakistan’s evil plans in Afghanistan and global terrorism would have been exposed. I do admire his cleverness and quick decision making capability. But for the general, Pakistan would have committed more blunders and would have collapsed by now. Pakistanis have a lot to thank the general. He did become a thorn in the flesh for India. But that is part of history.

Rajeev

—I am advocating any mergers, very much content having done away with them, what i am pointing out is that this is a paranoia of the elite ruling class of Pakistan…

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“very much content having done away with them, what i am pointing out is that this is a paranoia of the elite ruling class of Pakistan…”
- Posted by Anup

—-Anup,
Got you. I agree with that.

On the article, Mushy is “enjoying his retirement and had been invited to give lectures on Pakistan and the South Asian region around the world” and “the first invitation he had accepted was from India”. I am just finding it funny how much academic value does his visit carry. Retired ir not he is the same guy who did Kargill. More specifically can he improve Indo-Pak relations? I cam imagine lots of audience for sure and lots of protests murdabad etc.

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We do not need any gospel from this man . He should not be allowed to visit our country – let him lecture to his own countrymen . They need his advise, pretty badly , looking at the state of affairs.

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This man, the villain of Kargil, a dictator must not be given visa. He has got no business here. If the Indian govt has got any ‘ability to think’ ( which it lacks drastically), it should not allow this man to ever visit India again.

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SALUTE TO MUSHRAFF, SALUTE TO PAKISTAN, PAKISTAN IS ALWAYS A WINNER.

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…Richard Holbrooke in action. He can do rings around any seasoned diplomat…
–Of course dear, We’re all waiting… India is a very patient country, whilst no one dare to mess around with us especially on Kashmir. 60 years isn’t enough, and btw Holbrooke was alive since then isn’t it?

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Rajeev,
..More specifically can he improve Indo-Pak relations..
Naah, never will do that, i’d rather say he would act as another informal informer to ISI?

have a see
http://www.india-today.com/kargil/audio. html

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No East No West Musharraf is the Best.

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Pervez Musharraf was an open minded & secular man…he did more to bring Pakistan towards peace with our neighbour than any other leader has ever done.

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“…see Richard Holbrooke in action. He can do rings around any seasoned diplomat…”

—True.Holbrooke, the official hangman of USA has been designated to carry on with the death sentence of pakistan, pity poor pakis…

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Anup wrote:
“—True.Holbrooke, the official hangman of USA has been designated to carry on with the death sentence of pakistan, pity poor pakis…”

Come on Anup, give yourself a rest please. Pakis are doing pretty well, dont worry. Just take care of yourself.

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Pakistan as a country has sponsored more terrorism than any other country. It is an irony it has not yet been declared a state sponsor of terrorism.

As radical Islam prospers not only in the FATA but in Pakistan proper, and as the Pakistani ISI maintains its working relationships with Jihadi organizations the likes of the Taliban and al Qaeda, the continued declaration by Pakistan’s president and Musharaff that his nation remains allied with the United States and the remaining Coalition of the Willing nations must be questioned in the most serious of ways.

With no progress being made by the Pakistani government in the fight against radical Islamist ideology and jihad, but for the occasional arrest of mid-level terrorists, the Obama Administration must give credence to the reality that the government of Pakistan is a disingenuous partner in the conflict against radical Islamist aggression.

To continue funding their alleged efforts in the conflict against radical Islamist aggression is to throw good money after bad. In this economic climate the United States can ill-afford to fund jihadi enablers.

Milind writes: “This man, the villain of Kargil, a dictator must not be given visa. He has got no business here. If the Indian govt has got any ‘ability to think’ ( which it lacks drastically), it should not allow this man to ever visit India again.”

Even Ahmedinijad (sic) was allowed to visit the US and give his view points. That is the sign of a free society that is built on democratic principles. India should allow Musharraf to come in on a valid visa and give his discourses. That will do two things – show that India is not a closed society like others. And everyone is entitled to his views. It will also show that India gives a fair chance even to a man who triggered a war with India. Since he lost that war, it is all right. Let him come in and realize how a free society is like. All his life he has spent in uniform and has no idea what freedom of speech is and what freedom is. Let him have a chance. He should be grilled by the Indian media for his actions and let us see how he defends himself. If he can be made to realize that India is not so bad after all as he has imagined, may be he can return home and tell his folks to change their minds. Everything must be tried for a long term solution instead of shutting out all options.

Qasim writes: “Pervez Musharraf was an open minded & secular man…he did more to bring Pakistan towards peace with our neighbour than any other leader has ever done.”

Mr. Qasim, I think you are very ignorant. Mr. Musharraf if the architect of the Kargill war in 1999. When the Indian Prime Minister went to Lahore and worked with Nawaz Sharif on peace with Pakistan, Mr. Musharraf sent in Pakistani army regulars mixed in with war hardened Afghan Mujahideen (none had anything to do with Kashmir) and launched the offensive inside internationally recognized line of control on the Indian side. He did not even inform his Prime Minister of what he had done. He expected the conflict to turn into a full scale war and was prepared to use nuclear weapons. He was itching to go at India.

When Clinton made Pakistan retreat in shame, Musharraf forcibly ejected a democratically elected Prime Minister (no matter how corrupt he was) and crowned himself as the illegitimate ruler of Pakistan. His eyes were only focussed on India and his plans got derailed when Osama Bin Laden made other plans. Musharraf was caught with his pants down when the Americans knocked on his door. He had to make a quick retreat from what he was doing and switch sides immediately. Do not think that we are that ignorant. There was a massive airlift of Pakistani military personnel from inside Afghanistan during the air raids against the Taliban, as a part of the deal Musharraf had made with the Americans. A part of ISI building suddenly caught fire and a lot was destroyed (read as evidence of Pakistan’s neck deep involvement with Taliban, Al Qaeda and global terrorism).

The general simply manipulated everything to survive for ten years by dodging every attempt to get to the core of the problem. Army generals love to have as many conflicts as possible in order to perpetuate their hold on power. He did not do anything for peace. Peace (albeit a temporary one) happened by the ouster of Taliban and Al Qaeda from Afghanistan and the American presence in the neighborhood. He could not pursue his favorite past time of taunting India since the Americans twisted his head to look Westwards.

He is a clever guy. I agree with that. But he did nothing towards peace in the region. If he had had his way, the sub-continent would have been a nuclear waste land a decade ago. It was his legacy that Pakistan is being eaten up slowly by the Taliban. Having no other place to go, the Taliban is turning eastwards and has started spreading inside Pakistan. Musharraf is only good at answering any questions thrown at him. Beyond that, he sowed the seeds of long term disaster that will bring down Pakistan. One day you will realize what I am saying.

India has to do nothing. It needs to focus on its foundations as the world economy is faltering and hang in there by whatever means. It will take probably a decade for the world to come out of the economic crisis. India needs to continue working on infra structure build up and improve communications further. Just stay put and Pakistan has enough generals who will take it down along the path of self destruction.

Parwaiz Musharraf govt. was better then the present PPP govt.

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ALETHIA, ALI AND ALL PAKISTANIS

What do you think of Pak Ambassador to US writing this. Check the website first.
QUOTE: In the original countrys western wing, the effort to create national cohesion between Pakistans disparate ethnic and linguistic groups through religion took on greater significance and its manifestations became more militant. Religious groups, both armed and unarmed, have become gradually more powerful as a result of this alliance between the mosque and the military. Radical and violent manifestations of Islamist ideology, which sometimes appear to threaten Pakistans stability, are in some ways a state project gone wrong. UNQUOTE

By Husain Haqqani, Pakistans US Ambassador http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/resea rch/pubID.30/pub_detail.asp

Qasim writes: “Pervez Musharraf was an open minded & secular man…he did more to bring Pakistan towards peace with our neighbour than any other leader has ever done.”

If he is such a peace angel, what was kargil ?

He sacked Nawaz Shareef and Justice chaudhry, pretty open minded and secular man he is.

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“”"”Pervez Musharraf was an open minded & secular man…he did more to bring Pakistan towards peace with our neighbour than any other leader has ever done.”"”"”
- Posted by Qasim

—open minded about what? secular?–how. Qasim, do not use words randomly.

“”did more to bring Pakistan towards peace with our neighbour than any other leader”"
—-peace by imposing Kargil war? about which Nawaz Sharif, the then PM , had no idea (if his statement is trusted; hard to trust any one of you). Did you see that post?

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Pervez Musharraf is the only sane man in Pakistan politics.

Indians, specifically Hindus of India have committed more genocide against other Indians than any other person since Hitler or Saddam.

The ever popular Modi, is the poster boy for Hindu nationalism and revered by Hindu Indians all over.

The Geonocide of Muslims in Gujrat, in Kashmir, in the fire bombing of the the Sumjohta express are factual examples of Hindu India nationalism, that Hindus are soo proud of.

We need to have peace in Kashmir and Afghanistan before the sub-continent can alleviate the poverty stricken 300 million in the Indian subcontinent.

Hope the Obama administration will have an open mind.

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Interesting points about Musharaf’s visit to India—to allow or not.
Milind says no, Maurayan says yes to the visit.

—–Thinking more, in the end Mushy will be in India. but his visit is going to be a problem. He’ll use the platform to attack India in an unexpeted way in front of the all the audience. Ahmedinijad’s used the paltform to issue inflammatory statements during his talk in Colombia Univ. Depends on the naure of talk—if you give him 45 min free time, he’ll spit all the filth. If it is debate, the chances to counter his statements are more.
definiely he has advantage and India should be prepared for this.

Senator McCain said this before hmedinijad’s visit: “A man who is directing the maiming and killing of Americans troops should not be given an invitation to speak at an American university”…..”Columbia should not be “rolling out the red carpet for the leader of a terrorist-sponsoring regime.”
–I think same is true for Mushy in India

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responses to michelee Michelle Shaheen

“”Pervez Musharraf is the only sane man in Pakistan politics.”"”
—-GOD HELP PAKISTAN IN THAT CASE!

Indians, specifically Hindus of India have committed more genocide against other Indians than any other person since Hitler or Saddam.
——-NO MADAM, PLEASE CHECK PAKISTAN RECORD AGAINST BANGALDESH, MINORITIES IN PAKISTAN, FRONTIER GANDHI’S ARMLESS ARMY ….. SUPPORTING TERRORISMS KILLING HINDUS IN KASHMIR, PUNJAB… WHEN PAKISTANIS KILL THE INNOCENTS, IT IS HUNDRED THOUSANDS. INDIANS ARE NOT SAINTS, BUT HAVE LEARNT TO USE WEAPONS IN SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU NO ENOUGH OF HISTORY (NEUTRAL).

The ever popular Modi, is the poster boy for Hindu nationalism and revered by Hindu Indians all over. The Geonocide of Muslims in Gujrat, in Kashmir, in the fire bombing of the the Sumjohta express are factual examples of Hindu India nationalism, that Hindus are soo proud of.
—-ON THE CONTRARY MAJORITY OF HINDUS CONDEMN SUCH KILLINGS OF INNOCENTS. IGNORANCE IS MORE BLISS, IT IS HARMFUL THESE DAYS.
We need to have peace in Kashmir and Afghanistan before the sub-continent can alleviate the poverty stricken 300 million in the Indian subcontinent.
—-I AGREE HERE.

Hope the Obama administration will have an open mind.
—IGNORANCE IS BLISS AGAIN.

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@Bloggers,

Musharaff is a murderer, a deceitful, two-faced lying criminal who was just kicked out of his country and now he is doing international talks to save his reputation and make some money.

If he had of stayed in Pakistan any longer, he would have suffered the same fate as Benazir Bhutto.

This man lies a lot and gets caught in them many times, they are well documented, just google it.

Musharaff deserves no audience and if he does, I hope the smart people of India tear strips and chunks of meat out of his reputation and shame him dearly for his treachery.

Show him no mercy, shame and embarass the mouse.

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I’m a french guy living in france i love indian culture.. etc but i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india. they are ready to let other countries ruining them and they absolutely dont care. one day india wont exist anymore and all indian women will wear islamic dress. its sad i liked this country i used to travel there , such a lovely place with nice people

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These days shoe throwing is becoming a fashion. After Bush, now Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao got the same treatment in Britain. See below:
“German student charged for throwing shoe at Chinese premier”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/id UKTRE5192YR20090210

I think it is Pervez Musharraf’s turn now.

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French boy am a Indian living in India, I like Paris so much, it was beautiful with out a single wire or cable in open..but to my dismay i have never seen cowards like french..muslim men in french army disobeyed their commanders orders when they were posted to fight in afghanistan, army is filled with buch of cowards who use religion to escape battle field. Never heard of a incompetent prez like sarkozy who couldn’t act till date to save france from dependency of china..even after chineese have twice boycotted french goods in china..
France couldn’t control backlash from muslims on Jews during gaza war..
Too bad i thought France would be a nice place..

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Mush is mohajir. Indians should welcome people disillusioned with Pakistan, wanting to visit land of their forefathers.

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“”I’m a french guy living in france i love indian culture.. etc but i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india. they are ready to let other countries ruining them and they absolutely dont care. one day india wont exist anymore and all indian women will wear islamic dress. its sad i liked this country i used to travel there , such a lovely place with nice people”"
- Posted by frenchboy

—Frenchboy: Thanks for your interest and concern about India. Are you really from france? does not matter though. I was in France few months ago for visit(Paris/Starsbourg). I liked it. I wish you were more clear which countries are you indicating that are runing India, although I got the point from “Islamic dress”. You said you love India-that is because the way India is–diverse in several ways-religion, culture, food and yes DRESS etc. If India is anything else you will not love India as much. Indians culture is peaceful/tolerant and the political system is secular/democracy/free media. This allows a lot of freedom to each and every Indian national, but leaves room for weaknesses too. Indians foreign policy has been not to attack, but respond to it properly in every way possible and has the means and spirit to do it. India does not flaunt or uses its military power against the neighbouring countries, but only in self-defenese and has shown it since its independence in 1947. India is a nuclear power with indigenous technology, although we like to use the word “Nuclear” sparingly since we are responsible. Since open wars have been unsuccessful against India, enemy has started proxy wars/terrorism as a tool. India has and is responding to that and I assure you that NO ONE CAN RUIN INDIA and it is going to be safe enough for you to visit. If you look at the countries who attack India, they are already being ruined, while India is there to stay untouched geographically and culturally.

“i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india.”
-Enemies of India have made precisely the same mistake and waged wars, but got shocked by Indian response and now know that’s in fact not the case. So remember, there is a difference between “coward” and “peaceful but aggressive enough to respond”.

“one day india wont exist anymore”
–I assure you the day will never come.

“and all indian women will wear islamic dress.”
- In India, the women are/will be free to wear whatever they want to wear (Muslim women are allowed to wear skirts) since India is not under Taliban’s control.

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Musharraf is a Pakistani patriot and continues to serve the country. He is also good at TV interviews and I look forward to him giving a thrashing to India’s junk media.

It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den.

Bangash Khan writes: “It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den”

Thanks. I thought you guys never thought of India as a lion’s den.

Coming to Musharraf, if he is so bold as to walk into the lion’s den, why did he do an about turn when the Americans came to him and said you are either with us or against us? Shouldn’t he have the courage to say, “No we are Muslims and we will fight for each other against the infidels. We recognize the Taliban and will die for them.” ? If Musharraf had stood by the Taliban instead of stabbing on their backs and switch sides, his stature would have been high, even if he stood for the wrong people.

If Pakistan really cared for the Indian Muslim brothers as they claim, they would not resort to violence to make a point. They will pray for them and use peaceful means since they see India as a monster that will use their Muslim citizens as hostages.

We know very clearly that Pakistan has no agenda. All this talk about not being allowed to build the infrastructure and lay foundations by constant threat from India is a joke. If that is the case, India would never have progressed as a democracy and economic power. Your Musharraf has no such ideas and shares the myopic view mentioned above. It would be good if he comes to India and learns what India has done to achieve self-sufficiency, improve industrial base and work against the odds.

“Musharraf is a Pakistani patriot and continues to serve the country. He is also good at TV interviews and I look forward to him giving a thrashing to India’s junk media.
It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den.
- Posted by Bangash Khan

—-Patriot?–got Benazir killed? It was predicted and was done too.
Agreed. Mushy is great at talking ‘nothing’ or “non-sense”. Since India was the 1st one to invite Mushy, I see a trap to your paper lion this time. In addition ask him to wear mask, shoe-throwing is quite in fashion these days (Bush, Wen Jiabao, Mushy??). If some Indian for a moment forgets Mushy is a guest, I see a shoe flying towards Mushi’s face, while Mushi is busy ducking Indian questions.

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Musharraf going to India? who cares. He is a nobody as far as we are concerned. He was a dictator and no one really misses him except those who got some kind of ‘advantage’ when he was around. As far as reality is concerned, Zardari is leader. Most Pakistanis may not like this, but this is reality. Now make the most of this ‘reality’ and forget the dictator who’s moto was: musharraf first

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Syed
“Zardari is leader.”

—Mr10% is just 10% leader…90% is still Kyani.

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“Musharraf going to India? who cares. He is a nobody as far as we are concerned. He was a dictator and no one really misses him except those who got some kind of ‘advantage’ when he was around. As far as reality is concerned, Zardari is leader. Most Pakistanis may not like this, but this is reality. Now make the most of this ‘reality’ and forget the dictator who’s moto was: musharraf first”
- Posted by Syed

—You just made many Pakistanis unhappy. The question being asked is : Is Zardari somebody or is it Pakistani Army/ISI?–Quite valid if advantage has to be taken. What are your views?

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

In Musharaf’s new book, in the India Times, he apparently is a supporter of the Militants in Kashmir.

He justifies terrorism against India, due to his military and moral support of the Kashmiri Militants.

Musharaff is a pure Terrorist Through and Through, lier, cheater, two-faced, conniving, terrorist trainer.

It is unfortunate that the terrorism attempts towards him did not succeed, after all he was reaping what he has sown and he will eventually reap it.

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Bangash Khan said:

“Musharraf is a Pakistani patriot and continues to serve the country. He is also good at TV interviews and I look forward to him giving a thrashing to India’s junk media.

It is quite characteristic of Mr Musharraf to go into the lion’s den.”

Musharraf is looking after himself and his buddies. He does not care about the average Pakistani. He has been caught double talking and been caught lying on the international stage so many times.

I look forward to the democratic, secular, plural, inclusive, globally respected, and intelligent society of India to tear this man’s integrity, what’s left of it to a million pieces.

We will shame this man and he will leave with no dignity, or pride, rest assured, he has come to shame Pakistan in front of the world. His clever excuse making and elaborate conspiracy stories are great in Pakistan, but the rest of the world exists in a place call “reality”.

The Global Mindset, like in Pakistan, does not revolve around hate, lying, two-faced agression against other countries.

Shame Mushy, he needs to get his head cleaned out really good.

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Hey folks ,

I was reading to al of your comments especially could like to tel our french friend to visit & see how people live together & then you can comment abt tis . We may be seperated in terms of religion , caste , language wat we speak but when it comes to India , we stand united am not sure abt politicians but as far as PEOPLE , we would like to send a strong signal & a msg to the world ”CUM TO INDIA & SEE DE WAY WE LIVE ” . When US signed the 123 agreement India , pakistan insisted eben they need to sign up an agreement similarly wit them, u know wat was the ans NO . We have shown the world tat INDIA is safe place to live & moreover SECULARISM & DIPLOMATISM always win so even we will the heights in few more years IF the cowards from neighbouring countries dont block our way.

It is unfortunate that the terrorism attempts towards him did not succeed, after all he was reaping what he has sown and he will eventually reap it.
- Posted by Global Watcher

—It will succeed, inshallah.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

as for leadership,itis true90%is still the establishment GHQ(ISI).10%democracy that pakistan has is due to the great sacrifice made by the great leader Benazeer bhutto

Posted by asadullahkhan | Report as abusive

Pakistan should stop war mongering with India in its peoples’ interest. War is no solution.

“i love indian culture.. etc but i ‘ve never seen a country more coward than india”
@frenchboy

Frenchboy,
India IS a loving country… we do not capture people from other countries and Behead them, we do not send loosers to murder other country’s citizens. We love our culture and that of all other Countries of the World. Regarding threat from Pakistan, we do not care whether pakistan even exist or not. The only time we think of them is when some blood sucker from their country comes and troubles us. I beleive India should go for a war IF IT GURANTEES to decide everything for once and all, either they stand or we annihilate them all.

You said – “one day india wont exist anymore and all indian women will wear islamic dress”
- Trust me that would never happen. Even only a fraction of muslim ladies do that in India. I am a Hindu but still I will say – Inshallah, this mess called Pakistan will soon be washed out.

Posted by Aaruni Upadhyay | Report as abusive

To FRENCHBOY….. India was ruled by Muslims for over 1200 years. Muslims improved India and left it with the Taj Mahal.

Then the French and British came and started looting the country.

Frenchie fry boy, pickup a book and read how your grandfathers helped rape and loot India.

I would suggest, you to also see your loot and rape from Algeria to the carribean and beyond, Muslims ruled with love of the people of India, they married with them, mixed their religion with them, shared the values and loved the land, they did not loot India to benefit a third country like Britain and France did, exploit nations to benefit the Motherland.

Posted by Tariq Shah | Report as abusive

mr Aaruni, first of all Pakistan is stronger than ever today, secondly pakistanis dont cut peoples throats, these are outsiders, serial killers and maniacs from other countries hiding in Pakistan, secondly have you ever heard of Muslim mobs in Pakistan burning and killing hindus in Pakistan?

But you must have heard of Hindu mobs routinely killing Muslims as in Gujarat, or Sikhs after Indira Gandhi was killed by her Sikhs bodyguards or burning and killing Christian villages by fanatic Hindu mobs, tell me where does this happen in Pakistan?

You Indians hate Pakistan and are obsessed with its destruction, but that hatred is only consuming you, and despite your size you are still a third world country.

Pakistan is a Nuclear power nation, we are going through a temporary bad patch, but just as Sri Lanka has finally won its war against Indian backed Tamils, we too will destroy these foreigners in our lands, who are misleading our people as the majority of Pakistanis are decent, hard working compassionate Muslims and the majority will not allow the few criminals, backed by India and Afghanistan to succeed.

Posted by Tariq Shah | Report as abusive

Tariq,
“Pakistan is stronger than ever today”
– With support of Taliban, and China.

“secondly pakistanis dont cut peoples throats”
– They bunt the whole train of people during partition.

“tell me where does this happen in Pakistan?”
– happens here http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&ar t=14259

“but that hatred is only consuming you, and despite your size you are still a third world country.”
– No begging with IMF or other nation for economy.

“Pakistan is a Nuclear power nation”
– Soon Obama or Osama will have a switch.

“We too will destroy these foreigners in our lands”
– Have guts to destroy the madrasas, then think of destroying them.

– Happy Valenties’ day

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Tariq, F’Boy,
– Everyone looted India except Hindus.
As far Taj Mahal is concerned have a see here: http://www.stephen-knapp.com/taj_mahal_p hoto_one.htm

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Bonjour!

All Indians on this blog are attempting to carry out a failed smear campaign to malign Pakistan. Just as the Indian government did not achieve anything, this is a futile exercise. Lets stick to the topic and express our views accordingly.

Thank you

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Tariq:
“India was ruled by Muslims for over 1200 years”

From What date do you count these 1200 years, Before Babur every Muslim invaded India, Looted and ran away to their own dirts. What is taj mahal worth of, may be its a fabulous monument of love, but do you know how many Workers got their hands chopped off, just to make sure that there was no other Taj. Classic example of Muslim cruelity.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

Umair bienvenu, vous êtes la plupart d’homme d’idiot que j’ai jamais vu

Pakis always sing Gujrat, and killing of the innocent Muslims, And samjhota express.

Does any Paki care about or even know about Sabarmati Express incident ?

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

Punjabiyaar, merci! Toutes Indienne êtes idiote semblable à vous.

Who do you want to fool, the 2002 Gujarat violence describes a series of communal riots between the communities of Hindus and Muslims that took place in the Indian State of Gujarat between February and May 2002. In Naroda, according to Human Rights Watch, at least 65 Muslims were killed, many of them women who were sexually assaulted by violent hindu mobs.

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Umair and Tariq:
Explain the stats below about HIndus in Pakistan. Heard enough of Gujrat and other unfortunate incidents.

“””In August 1947, AT THE END OF BRITISH RAJ, THE POPULATION PERCENTAGE OF HINDUS IN WHAT IS TODAY IN PAKISTAN WAS PERHAPS AS HIGH AS 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2% in the years since independence. According to the 1998 PAKISTAN CENSUS, CASTE HINDUS CONSTITUTE ABOUT 1.6 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION OF PAKISTAN and about 6.6% in province of Sindh. The Pakistan Census separates Schedule Castes from the main body of Hindus who make up a further 0.25% of national population.””” slow and persistant ethnic cleansing, right? Nothing as glamorous as Gujrat but systematic. A lot to few ashamed about.
Rapes, abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls in Pakistant and forced marriages etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution _of_Hindus

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Tariq,
Do not mislead anyone that Islam was great for India and the love was overflowing. The whole Mughal rule is full of barbarity.
Some times I wonder that you guys have a different google. chinese can be excused for lack of information since China blocks information on the internet but what’s the problem with you.

It is simple to understand in theory that expansionsist cannot be peaceful.

The Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent led to widespread carnage because Muslims regarded the Hindus (all non-Muslims) as infidels and therefore slaughtered and converted millions of Hindus. The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period. VERY PEACEFUL INDEED!!!

Millions died and converted—Hindus, Sikhs and Budhists and jains.

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Umair Wrote:
“2002 Gujarat violence describes a series of communal riots between the communities of Hindus and Muslims”

Once again you failed to express any knowledge of Sabarmati Express incident at Godhra. This was the incident in which Muslim Mob set a train on fire and many Hindu pilgrims got burnt alive. Godhra sparked the communal riots and result we all know.

If you have half knowledge or no knowledge of Gujrat riots, you dont have to contest at this. Just try to read what others say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujara t_violence

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

Tariq Shah
“Muslims improved India and left it with the Taj Mahal.”
—We would be eternally grateful if the ‘leftovers’ also leave & are most welcome to take the TajMahal with them…

“Muslims ruled with love of the people of India, they married with them, mixed their religion with them, shared the values and loved the land, “

—Now either go back to your land of origin or stay back & enjoy being ‘ruled’ by the people of India,if that’s how you perceive it- then they’ll be most obliged to ‘marry & mix religion’ with you’ll in the same manner…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Punjabiyaar wrote:
“Once again you failed to express any knowledge of Sabarmati Express incident at Godhra. This was the incident in which Muslim Mob set a train on fire and many Hindu pilgrims got burnt alive. Godhra sparked the communal riots and result we all know.”

-I will take you back to 1992 when the historical Babri Mosque was demolished by violend hindu terrorists. India is suffering from communal violence and decay, Muslims will have to be given their rights, Sikhs and christians are also mistreated. What about the killings of christians in Orrissa in late 2008? who burnt alive the Australian missionaries? The international community is now realising India’s true face and it will be exposed more.
This is precisely the reason why muslims wanted their seperate country and Pakistan came into being. Today a nation of 170 million muslims and a leading muslim country, Pakistan stands as a united and strong nuclear power capable of dealing with every challenge. We have survived the dark days, you will see us prosper.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Umair
“muslims wanted their seperate country and Pakistan came into being. Today a nation of 170 million muslims”

—& 250 millions in India & 120 millions in Bangladesh—Proves the two nation theory to be a farce…

Posted by Anup | Report as abusive

Umair Wrote:
“I will take you back to 1992 when the historical Babri Mosque was demolished by violend hindu terrorists”

So you are trying to say that Muslim Mob burnt a train because of the 1992 Incident of Babri Masjit. Please man have a break, drink a cup of tea and then think. Do you believe that Muslims took revenge of 1992 after 10 years in 2002. There has been a thousand terrorist incidents since 1992. So you are suggesting that Hindus are free to take revenge because most of the Hindus were killed in these acts of terrorism.

You also said “This is precisely the reason why muslims wanted their seperate country and Pakistan came into being.”

Precisely there are more Muslims in India than Pakistan. You guys always happen to ignore this fact, If India was not good enough why they are living here. They feel good here thats why they are staying and developing with the country.

On the other hand why Baluchistanis are demanding a new country. Whats wrong with them, they must be idiots, isn’t it ?

Only If Pakistan stops terrorist activities in Kashmir, and we could focus on each fold development you will find that Kashmiris are developing too. Kashmiris are suffering because of Pakistan. When Himachal being a hilly area is developing, why cant Kashmir be developed as a tourist place and there is lot of scope in industry as well there.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

@Umair,
Babri Mosque is in India right !

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When Himachal being a hilly area is developing, why cant Kashmir be developed as a tourist place and there is lot of scope in industry as well there.

– Don’t say that, you’re hinting a survival to a seizing economy :P
– Pakistan’s Swiss’land is Taliban Land so they will flood to India Swiss’land lol

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Umair:
Gujrat was unfortunate for Muslims and Hindus both, without getting into who started. Would you please explain the depressing stats below about Hindus in Pakistan.
“””In August 1947, AT THE END OF BRITISH RAJ, THE POPULATION PERCENTAGE OF HINDUS IN WHAT IS TODAY IN PAKISTAN WAS PERHAPS AS HIGH AS 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2% in the years since independence. According to the 1998 PAKISTAN CENSUS, CASTE HINDUS CONSTITUTE ABOUT 1.6 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION OF PAKISTAN and about 6.6% in province of Sindh.”””
Slow and persistant ethnic cleansing, right? Nothing as glamorous as Gujrat but systematic. Rapes, abductions and forced conversions of Hindu girls in Pakistan and forced marriages etc.
Last remaining Hindu temple in Lahore was demolished, right?
All minoroties are oppressed right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution _of_Hindus

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Mush is mohajir. Indians should welcome people disillusioned with Pakistan, wanting to visit land of their forefathers.
- Posted by MQM
We already make their(Pak) artists and cricketers rich, so we can not have reverse immigration here.
BTW The real issue is they will brainwash Indian muslims with their irreversible and contagious hatred of hindus.

I wonder how the Indians will treat the ex-COAS of Pakistan Army after the mumbai attacks..

Posted by Muhammad Rizwan Malik | Report as abusive

I really don’t understand what Mr. musharraf wants to prove now by takin part in the conclave in India.it is such a funny act on his part that he would(probably) discuss India and pak relations now, when he is no more in power, wats the use?? if he would have cared then conditions would have been a alot better, failure of agra summit was due to his rigidity on kashmir issue.

all of the above the world knows that he was the principle man behind the kargil war, this fact now has been revealed by Mr. Nawaz Sharif himself, the then prime minister of pak. so wats the use of this man discussing a such a hot issue which demands total honesty and commitment.it is only an act of getting attention back on him and this time when the environment between the two countries is hostile then he himself should have applied his brain by not coming to India…or to be specific he should not be allowed to enter India. Mr mush.. go and analyse yourself!!

Posted by shanky | Report as abusive

@Punjabiyaar

Muslim kings defeated Hindu kings. Thats the way it was back in the day. Those defeats and 1,000 years of Muslim rule is part of the Indian inferiority complex till this day.

@Punjabiyaar,
Muslim kings defeated Hindu kings. Thats the way it was back in the day. Those defeats and 1,000 years of Muslim rule is part of the Indian inferiority complex till this day.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

–One major reason for a Muslim–whether in India or Pakistan-to look at the 1200yrs history objectively & without chest tumping is that you never know you are a converted. Aamir perhaps your ancestors were Hindu and who knows how they were (mis)treated that you are a Muslim today–there are several ways conversion can be done–first make sure of your ancestory before making claims. Just a suggestion.

Now about your point, we are not in denial-No denying that Muslims invaded India and ruled–perhaps that’s why we know the meaning of freedom more than a Paki does–we do not gift away the land to China, nor cede to Taliban. If I was a Paki I will say Indians ruled Muslims for >1000yrs! Any way, ASSUMING Mughals were great, what does that has to do with Pakistan’s improvement?, what is your contribution-ZERO? You can not even hold onto your country for 20yrs and broke into 2 pieces-remember 1971 Bangladesh and in 2009 SWAT is lost and the grip is losening and experts expect a total collapse in short time–But I wish you well. That is the hallmark of a loser–to live in the past–sadly you do not even know. Today. Pakistan in its entirety has zero contribution to itself, its neighbors and the whole world. You are living in the past which you do not even know. India was doing well in the past and is doing well now. We are in fine shape. In your message, I see between the lines the meaning that Pakistan is suffering from an inferiority complex because Mughals were kicked out by Brits.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

It saddens me when I read comments based on wrong facts. Every one of us should realize what impact these comments are going to make for the future of India and Pakistan. We should try to learn from Europeans whose history has been full of wars, victories and defeats, but all have formed a Union ( European Union ) giving free movement to all and right to work in any of the member states. In India and Pakistan, we already have many problems, we can not add on and should try to solve. Please think before you say any thing. We will get result on what we do today.

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