Comments on: The Pakistani kaleidoscope and the Swat ceasefire http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Kh. Aftab Shah, Orlando, USA http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-18138 Wed, 20 May 2009 22:58:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-18138 BHAKKAR- a gateway to Pakistan for Taliban. The people of BHAKKAR district have elected a chief minister of Punjab and a prime minister of Pakistan in different elections. Although a goup of local leaders sponcer the occasion and personally benefited by this gesture but basically the people of Bhakkar elected these leaders in hope of a better Bhakkar. It’s requested to the President, prime minister of Pakistan and chief minister of Punjab to consider upgrading Bhakkar as a divisional head quarter by appointing a commissioner to provide better governance, extra facilities and security in the area. There are news that religious violence and drug smuggling is increased in the area recently.Dera/ Bhakkar road link is already a busy drug traffic route of the world. Bhakkar is a gate way to the Punjab and Sind provinces for NWFP and Afghanistan. Bhakkar has been head quarters of divisional level organization of Thal Development Authority since 1952. TDA was abolish in 1971 on corruption charges against it’s high officials. Bhakkar is also a border district to Dera Ismail Khan and a capital city of Thal desert area-spread in six districts in Punjab. Thanking you, Khwaja Aftab Shah,Florida, U.S.A. email.pip.law@hotmail.com

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13679 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:32:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13679 @Don’t be ridiculous, Pakistani Army is scripting game of Taliban, the entire screenplay is from Islamabad. Don’t you remember, that double speaking Asfaq Kayani’s phone or email was tapped by the U.S., and they caught him saying that the Taliban leader was a strategic asset??
Well….you could say that the U.S. just got “Ash-Faq’ed” by Kayani.
LOL…
– Posted by Global Watcher

– meaning Kayani is letting Pak run over by Taliban? For what greater interest than they already have? All said and done, what you said is a compliment to Kayani. Ofcourse the Pak-Tal links are known but I don;t think Army is inviting Taliban into SWAT and… It is just that army is clueless aganinst unconventional Taliban and making deals to salvaging the situtaion, keeping in mind that Taliban is strategic asset (your point about phone call and common sense too) against India for sure, as indicated by Taliban offer of vlointeering men and amunition in case of war against India. But Pakistan is not in TOTAL CONTROL of Taliban and if Taliban becomes more ambitious, Pak has no way except to deal with them.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13611 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:04:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13611 Global watcher writes: “Again, let me stress, the residents of SWAT should be given notice to leave before this happens.”

The problem is, as soon as the leaflets fall, the Taliban will also move out of the Swat valley into the surrounding urban areas of Pakistan. This is what the Taliban did when the US bombed Afghanistan. They moved into Pakistan. Once they are outside the Swat valley, they will take over whatever area they move into. The Pakistani military will surrender again and, the US bombardment would result in enhancing Taliban’s spread and hold over Pakistan. The military might switch sides and fight alongside Taliban against the Western aggressor. This is to save their skins in the long run, once the Americans leave (assuming this happens soon).

Bombing Swat valley will accelerate the spread of Taliban in Pakistan. The US needs help from India and Russia to make the offensive productive.

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By: Anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13598 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:33:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13598 Anitha
“Helicopter engines valued at $13 million were also hijacked. Taliban fighters gave Pakistani drivers certificates guaranteeing their trucks were requisitioned, not stolen.”
– remember some wise one’s mentioning talibanese economy & destroying the crops of poor farmers, rendering those who earn a dignified income as paupers…all this for the ‘western anal-eye’stists’, they are an insult to intelligence or either a cunning lot.

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By: Anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13596 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:24:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13596 Global Watcher et al
“NATO and U.S. forces in Afghanistan require 70,000 containers of supplies per year,”
“Taliban extracted payments of $1,000 per vehicle at the point of a gun.”
“Karachi port authorities made at least $260 per container in assorted port charges,”
“The National Logistics Corporation an ostensibly civilian entity staffed by serving and retired military personnel, and owned by the Pakistani army earns around $1500 per container for moving them to Afghanistan. Between 2002-2008, the NLC made at least $1.15 billion. And the meter is still running.”
“Pakistani government collects a fuel tax of the average fuel consumption per container per trip is 1200 litres, which amounts to $460 in taxes per trip.”
“The Frontier Constabulary, a paramilitary force, collects a minimum of $150 per container in security charges from truckers,”
“Pakistani military establishment earnings—a rough estimate is around $500 million per year.”
“—and is in addition to the $10 billion that the Bush administration gave Pakistan over that period.”
!Only around 60 percent of the goods were actually delivered to their recipients, the rest being lost, stolen or destroyed en route.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13589 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:16:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13589 @Mauryan

Since Pakistan military just surrendered and would prefer spending its time figuring out ways to destabilize India, instead of fighting the Taliban, I think the U.S. should drop leaflets to those citizens in SWAT and tell them all to temporarily leave.

Then the U.S. should undergo a massive, relentless, night and day pounding of SWAT with thermo-baric high yield weapons. These have a very large horizontal spread zone and would be great for Taliban wiping.

Again, let me stress, the residents of SWAT should be given notice to leave before this happens.

Then send in 100,000 troops to secure this area and wipe it squeeky clean of taliban. Tell citizens to return, army leaves.

@Rajeev,

Don’t be ridiculous, Pakistani Army is scripting game of Taliban, the entire screenplay is from Islamabad. Don’t you remember, that double speaking Asfaq Kayani’s phone or email was tapped by the U.S., and they caught him saying that the Taliban leader was a strategic asset??

Well….you could say that the U.S. just got “Ash-Faq’ed” by Kayani.

LOL…

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13575 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:57:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13575 US will not have much money to run the war in Afghanistan for too long. The economy is sinking. All the stimulus money is dissolving into empty space quickly. Obama will be under immense pressure to steer the country out of trouble. War in a remote location is the last in his priority. Mexico is rumbling with drug war. US military involvement seems inevitable.

Punjabi and Sindhi politicians have begun to clash openly in Pakistan now. Their military will move in soon and take over. Kayani is being pulled back by Washington from taking over. Most probably he will get replaced by someone else who will take over the power through a coup. You will see articles supporting it here.

Obama will be forced to do something very quick in this region. He has only two hands and there are too many leaks on his sinking ship. I won’t be surprised if massive aerial attacks happen over the Swat and North West regions of Pakistan by the US. This will help get the troops move in swiftly into those regions after driving the Taliban out of there for a short time. The Taliban will move into main street Pakistan and that will cause more chaos.

India should be very worried and should keep its military on full alert. Attacks will come from Pakistan to draw India into a desperate conflict, a nuclear one if possible.

We are about to enter dangerous times.

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By: Anitha http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13566 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:40:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13566 Janan, you bought up a good point..Its not that US do not know what pakistan is up to…it would be a kinda uneasy marriage between CIA and ISI where both know the other will be a double crosser. US seems to only want to stay in the region as long as possible and pakistan is providing the reason for them to stay there..as long as pakistan keeps braging that US cannot enter pakistan to fight militants, US has a reason to stay there in afghanistan and do nothing but wait for militants to cross over from pakistan and fight.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13564 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:32:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13564 Anup and janan:
@this taliban game is being scripted in the pentagon, washington & enacted in the pak-afghan region, pakistan was created to be a base & puppet of the western powers.
-posted by Anup
-If this true, Pak knows the game and select few who control Pak (US implanted) selling the country and damn care about regular Pakis. Means nothing can happen if Pakistan does no will so. Then the real parties should work together and India & Afghanistan are 2 parties. Will happend only when Pak can be relieved from the clutches of the West. poor economy, hard to do.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/24/the-pakistani-kaleidoscope-and-the-swat-ceasefire/comment-page-1/#comment-13563 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:26:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2000#comment-13563 @Anup:
@this taliban game is being scripted in the pentagon, washington & enacted in the pak-afghan region, pakistan was created to be a base & puppet of the western powers.
-posted by Anup
@janan: on links of intelligence with milkitants

Anup: Is Pakistan state ignorant of this larger game? Or is it that Pakistan is controlled by select few often implanted by US (fact), so they damn care about regular Pakis–leaving them in a spot to explain all this on the blogs. If what is being said is true, then does it not mean that the real parties should be concerned and work together 1. India. 2. Pakistan 3. Afghanistan

That means relieving Pakistan from the cluthes of West-poor economy, hard to do. Foremost is the will of Pakistan. if they do, rest will follow.
So far, so bad…

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