Comments on: Pakistan, music and the diaspora http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13671 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:41:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13671 These differences between India and Pakistan are so few in terms of music, food, clothing and other cultural things that there is no daylight between them.

A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. (Mohammed Ali).

Pakistan has viewed India the same way for the last 62 years.

We are (and always will be) perceived as the threat from the East. The real threat to Pakistan is from within.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13586 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:30:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13586 @Nauman,

Any topic with regards to Pakistan is always going to seem like a heated debate, here are the underlying reasons (there are pockets of exceptions):

Pakistan is:

1) Found on sectarian hatred of Hindus and non-muslims alike and India
2) Has never had democracy
3) Is considered by many in the world as a the epicentre of terrorism
4) a country of double-speaking, two-faced leaders, as well as its citizens
5) Has had free handouts from IMF, USA, China, Saudi Arabia for its survival and therefore has debts it has to pay politically to those countries.
6) Has aggressed against India 4 times including Mumbai, and supplied and fueled Khalistani Sikh terrorists against India
7) Majority of Pakistani citizens are Al-Qaeda, Taliban and Pro-Islamic expansionist sympathizers or advocators of it, albeit quietly or openly
8) A government whose intelligence and army quietly have trained Jihadi extremists for 30 years to destabilize India and start a Jihad on the Kashmiri front against India.
9) Is a nuclear country and is a constant threat to India and world stability because of its hateful Islamic superiority complex towards India.
10) Unfounded and undue Islamic Entitlement to constant succession of land from India.

and the most of all,

11) an entire population of Citizens not willing to take responsibility for themselves and guilty of not trying to be modern enough to reject Extremist Islam and guilty of not holding the Madrassas, army and its government accountable.

As long as these underlying reasons are never addressed, the posted topics can never be fully and meaningfully discussed and debated. Anything less than that is just indulging in superficial, sign of the times pluralities and random opinions.

Underlying reasons are the root causes for any happenings in Pakistan. Seemingly unconnected events are all connected and sourced from these root problems.

The other option is not to discuss anything at all.

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By: Nauman http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13578 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:52:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13578 With due respect to Reuters blogs…

I don’t know why Reuters always choose the topics that tend to arouse heated debate between the bitterly divided neighbouring countries. Please stop pointing fingers towards each other…

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13573 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:21:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13573 @Aamir,

Sorry if I offended you. I don’t feel any manlier by saying what I have experienced, feel and call it as I see it.

Tell me which of my personal beliefs or comments have offended you and I will try to explain myself in the most human way possible.

Let me tell you, regardless of what I have said, I believe ALL people are human beings first, equal under GOD, regardless of religion, ethnicity or country. The problem I have with the above statement, I don’t think Pakistani’s view Hindus the same way.

That is my reason for venting. I never see any Pakistani’s show their humanity towards their neighbours.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13527 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:06:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13527 The comments on this blog are truly ruined by folks like Global Watcher who knowledge of Pakistan is poor but who feels manly by speaking against it on the Internet.

The Taliban who are so vehemently against music/etc. are present in pockets of the northwest of the country. Even there, they have only managed to close down music shops and sent artists underground. You will still find CD’s and tapes being sold, albiet in a more discreet manner. People listen to music, watch tv and do everything else.

Salman Ahmed and others in the Punjab, Sindh or other parts of the country are completely untouched and can do as they please.

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By: punjabiyaar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13492 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:02:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13492 Addition

I just searched “Mujra” on youtube it fetched 11,800 results, While Ghulam ali’s score is 1,680, “Nusrat fateh ali khan” is at 3,750, atif aslam scored 4,940.

So Lahore mujra scored more than these three singers combined. It must be something else also not only taliban, killing music.

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By: punjabiyaar http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13491 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:53:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13491 AnuP:

“The music & art that they speak of are hindu devotional raagas & songs of RK, the poetry talks of God as a lover,it’s blasphemous in Islam- their lahore film industry is long gone & cricket is breathing it’s last”

They are banning great music from Nusrat and Gulam ali, on other hand vulgar dances on vulgar punjabi songs are mushrooming in Pakistan. In one interview Naseebo Lal, who had sung almost all of these vulgar songs, told that she was threatened, so she had to sing these songs. On one account she was told “If you don;t sing this song we will break your legs and kill your brother”, and about Vulgar dancers she said “Allah kare enaa de Bhraa Maran” (May god punish death to their brothers). Its not only Taliban who is killing music, there are other factors too.

She is a very good singer otherwise but she is not getting good songs in Pakistan. I can see many Paki singers/Music directors migrating to India in coming times, and presenting competition to Indian music industry.

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By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13490 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:42:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13490 Myra,

In my view, Pakistan is fighting for its ‘real’ identity from within for many decades. Consequently, we often hear conflicting narratives. If running a successful public relations (PR) campaign may help rally Pakistanis, so be it!

However, I suspect simply promoting arts & culture will not go too far. The more democratic, truly secular and multi-ethnic Pakistan becomes the more it starts to resemble like India. This thought is disturbing for the hawks and the generals in Pakistan. There lies the real rub!

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By: Carl http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13483 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:52:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13483 Its funny to see the two contrasts. Pakistan going back into stone ages day by day and her neighbor India working to launch men in space.

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By: Anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/02/25/pakistan-music-and-the-diaspora/comment-page-1/#comment-13482 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:52:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2026#comment-13482 Global Watcher / Maurayan /bulletfish /anju2008

—The music & art that they speak of are hindu devotional raagas & songs of RK, the poetry talks of God as a lover,it’s blasphemous in Islam- their lahore film industry is long gone & cricket is breathing it’s last…

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