Pakistan: Somalia comparisons should worry India too

March 4, 2009

India’s ruling Congress party thinks Pakistan is fast becoming the “Somalia of South Asia”. The attack on Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore was the result of the state ceding its territory to the fundamentalists and Taliban of the world, a party spokesman said.

Strong words these, but are they going to come back to haunt India and the Congress itself ? Is this really just about Pakistan or is the fire, which many believe began when foreign forces moved into Afghanistan, already dangerously close to India?

If you saw TV images of the gunmen as they darted across a green in Lahore with their backpacks, aiming their assault weapons and taking cover behind trees,  you couldn’t help but think of the Mumbai assault when a similar band of attackers roamed the streets, hotels and a train station killing and maiming at will.

If it was Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore on Tuesday, it could just as easily have been a foreign team in Amritsar, just over the border in India.  Amritsar is very near Lahore, writes former Indian ambassador M.K.Bhadrakumar, and it doesn’t really matter any more on which side of the border the attack took place. The grim reality is both are faced with the same threat and it won’t help India to pretend otherwise or sit tight while Pakistan unravels, he says.

“When the terrorists strike in broad daylight in the presence of tens of thousands people in a high security environment within earshot of Amritsar it naturally sends shock waves across India. It is no more relevant where they have struck — on this side or the other side of the Wagah border. The ground reality is that there is no such thing as absolute security anymore,” Bhadrakumar said.

India and Pakistan will survive or sink together, and it doesn’t really matter whether it is Pakistan or India that resembles Somalia.

Pakistan’s Dawn also touches on this, saying that perhaps the same group that attacked Mumbai struck on Tuesday in Pakistan’s cultural capital.

Lahore was a message to all of South Asia, Indian columnist Rajinder Puri writes, and it was up to governments to pay heed.  The men who carried out the attack on the Sri Lankan players weren’t merely attacking cricket, they were attacking culture. “The lifestyle of the vast majority of the people on the subcontinent is not acceptable to the enemy,’ he writes.

“Make no mistake. Neither the Afghans nor the Pathans are as a people sympathetic to the terror and repression unleashed by the pro-Al Qaeda Taliban. The people are simply forced into submission by the few gun-toting killers who are organized to terrorize the unorganized majority. The enemy will hit each nation and each region one by one until it attains victory.”

A few years ago Lal Krishna Advani, the leader of India’s Hindu nationalist party, talked about the cultural nationalism of South Asia, of the shared heritage, customs and perhaps obsessions like cricket. But it has been totally swamped by the bickering among governments of each country.

Perhaps it is time now to reverse course  and stop not just Pakistan’s descent into chaos but its immediate neighbours too ?

([Reuters pictures of a helicopter at Lahore's cricket ground after attack and Sri Lankan cricketer Thilan Thushara with his son upon his return home]

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” Make no mistake. Neither the Afghans nor the Pathans are as a people sympathetic to the terror and repression unleashed by the pro-Al Qaeda Taliban. The people are simply forced into submission by the few gun-toting killers who are organized to terrorize the unorganized majority. The enemy will hit each nation and each region one by one until it attains victory ”

Yes, this is the grim reality and the Indian ppl should remember that +200 ppl died in Mumbai including many foreigners and their gov could do nothing before paying heed to their government saying Pakistan is like Somalia!

Posted by Muhammad Rizwan Malik | Report as abusive

Pakistan a 170 million muslim nation possessing a highly trained and 7th largest military in the world. A country rich in agriculture, natural resources and a good workforce. Pakistan also possesses weapons of mass destruction, maintains a nuclear arsenal.
While Pakistan has time and again shown persistently failing symptoms, Pakistan has managed to come back from the brink everytime. There is something about this country.

While Pakistan has its share of problems, like any other country. There is no reason to compare Pakistan with Somalia. Just today while driving across the constitution avenue, past the Islamabad Serena hotel and French embassy, I saw security was relaxed. It was business as usual in Islamabad, everything cool and calm, embassies and consulates functioning in full swing, western diplpomats driving past with their 4x4s. While Lahore was in shock I saw an air of confidence in Islamabad.
There was time when Islamabad was passing during a difficult phase after Marriot hotel, that time Lahore was bustling. Thats how it works, Pakistan is a huge country. There are multiple centres of power, while the military garrison of Rawalpindi Headquarters the powerful Army and ISI, Islamabad is home to diplomatic corps and Government bureaucracy. While Lahore is the heart of Pakistan, Karachi stands to be the largest port and economic hub of the country. The northern areas known for their beauty, Baluchistan for everything from its deserts to its people.

Pakistan will come back stronger, this is a diverse country. Pakistan has endured many crisis, this is no different. Pakistanis from Karachi to Kashmnir are united.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Umair,
You need to wake from deep slumber and see where your nation is headed!!!The reason why many Indians and srilankans are swamping forums is the mess your stupid rulers have created for the world to clean.Shamefully this has been done in the name of religion and God.If what you said is right,there would not be taliban in 50 percent of your territory and your president will not make peace with those buthchers-unless you think that it is none of my business.It becomes every ones headche when a nation like Pakistan is so weak and incapable that its citizens cannot have discipline to vote a democracy that lasts for 5 years!!!Now your incompetency has resulted in birth of global terrorists!!!Its better for you to stop having false pride and look at religious nuisance you have created for yourself and India and neighbours!!!!
And Sanjeev,
India is not Pakistan.The nuisance of terrorism is from Pakistan and that is shameful.One cannot be ashamed of getting cheated but one who does cheat is the rogue.I guess you know which country is that ROGUE!

Posted by Abbas Ali | Report as abusive

Not many offer a constructive long term program to eliminate terrorism, that seems to be getting out of hand. Speculations were rife about foreign hand in yesterdays attack on cricketers.Denial seems to be the way of life and remedial measures dont seem to be coming forth, a nation living a fantasy life.They are proud to eliminate all their minorities and denounce other denominations like shias, ahmedias as heretic; love for all and acceptance and tolerance of all will cut down the pragmatism, till such time violence will go on unabated, it has nothing to do with poverty or unemployment.

@Umair,

Azhar Rafee writes:

“All true. Its depressing. Its sad. Its shameful. We are disgusted about what just happened. And any apology to the brave Sri Lankans will not make it up. We are sorry – truly.

That was my sentiment – yesterday. Today, I am back to the frightening reality — we have such bigger problems at hand that we don’t know where to start fixing. What transpired is one small result of where we are with our nation. Chaos everywhere, infighting, lack of security, corruption, lack of direction, and worse — a lack of leadership to help us get out of the where we are. Yesterday’s event is a validation of the state of the nation.

As far as cricket is concerned, we need to have a Pakistan to have a Pakistani cricket. Its easy to bring the cricket bounce back. I am worried about friendships, our national spirit, a place in the world, and the nation on the brink…”

- Posted by Azhar Rafee

Unlik you Umair, finally a sane voice in Pak.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

I think the Pakistanis know that they are in the middle of a conflagration that is spreading in all directions. It is their pride that is preventing them from admitting it openly, especially to Indians. Therefore, do not expect them to say that their home land is indeed infested with fundamentalism and terrorism. They make say this to each other, but never to an Indian, that too openly. It is like accepting defeat. I understand that sentiment. Recently some fellow Indians clashed with me on another topic for what they felt as me hurting India’s pride openly. Some of them admitted that there are problems in India, but I should not openly saying it here. Likewise, no patriotic Pakistani is going to write here that their ground is shaking, even if he knows it is true. And it is going to make them more defensive if we are ridiculing them, which we all love to do and vice versa.

It is all right. I agree with the author that India and Indian sports is close to extreme danger that is going to spill out of Pakistan. Look at the money one sees in IPL. Having shut down Pakistan’s cricket, now the criminals would be waiting for any event inside India – IPL or elections. I can bet there will be a strike. I hope the Indian security system has learnt from its mistakes in Mumbai and is alert at all times. India is even much bigger than Pakistan and maintaining vigil across the nation is much harder and very expensive.

Asian cricket is about to be buried. Lahore is the starting point. Even now I am reading about NZ and Aussie cricketers wondering about coming to India for the IPL. I fully understand their sentiments.

The terrorists have made big mistakes in Mumbai and in Lahore. In Mumbai they included Americans, British and Jews as their targets. That brought the focus too close on themselves. The Americans, instead of keeping themselves busy in Afghanistan, now have made the AfPak set up as a result of Mumbai. If the terrorists had targeted only Indians, the Westerners would have turned a blind eye to Mumbai and India could not have gotten Pakistan to admit the hole in their hats.

At Lahore, by attacking cricket, they have alienated most sensible Pakistanis whose support they always relied on.

Now India and Pakistan can share the pain and approach the terror system together to dismantle it. Turning against each other is what the terrorists want and they should instead join forces and go after the criminals. if they succeed, the two countries can start building trust towards each other. Otherwise, I see the Pakistani landscape being burnt by civil wars and disintegration.

GUYS GUYS GUYS
what s the matter with you?
Didnt I just tell you everything is absolutely fine with Pakistan.
Ali Abbas, Pakistan is a strong and democratic nation where 170 million proud Pakistanis live. Certainly Pakistan is a democratic nation part of UN, Commonwealth, WTO, OIC, SAARC, a major Non-NATO ally (MNNA). Dont fool anyone, dont fool yourselves.
Too all my fellow Pakistanis, guys take pride in your selves have the self confidence. Pakistan will make a come back, doga barking will keep on barking while we march towards victory in everything from sports to development. We need to pull ourselves together, get our heads down and start the hard work. Dont listen to anyone stating rubbish non-sense about Pakistan. Pakistan is a great country, Pkaistanis are great and capable people.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

What Bhadrakumar has written is something that can be relegated to a dustbin. And what Sanjeev is doing is just exploiting that rubbish and extrapolate on it in a mundane jingoistic peacenik fashion which can be seen all over the world today.

How would anyone including all the above said authors feel like if they were in the bus that got attacked or they were in the train or any one of the hotels in Mumbai? I guess some would still say, hey, we know were the problem is, its with the Indian government, they did not provide proper security.

Well how many of you can assure your kin that you can take care of them forever in the environment of hatred. None. What will you do? Move on or blame yourself?

Move on guys. Start focusing on the problem. Public support for terrorists.

Put them to notice – no more public support to these vermins and no more money for you. No trade with you. And that’s when you can start comparing them to the real Somalia or anything similar.

The clock is ticking and you have that choice.

Posted by Jacob | Report as abusive

@Umair
“what s the matter with you?
Didnt I just tell you everything is absolutely fine with Pakistan.”

1. Benazir Bhutto is assassinated No formal inquiry.
2. The Marriott Hotel was bombed.
3. Pakistani terrorist planned and executed mumbai attack.
4. Nato Supply like was cut several times.
5. The Taliban have control of Swat after murdering and beheading people.
6. Chinese (all-weather friends) & other foreigners engineers are held ransom or killed.
7. Zardari went to China but could not meet anybody.
8. Americans accused Paki Navy of Double invoicing.
9. Sri Lanka cricket team was attacked.
10.Economy is nowhere and country is living off aid.
11.Govt made worst possible political decision of expelling Sharief bros.
12.American drones are attacking on so called sovereign country.

List is endless

BUT AS UMAIR SAID, Everything is fine in Pakistan.

Sane pakistanis, its time to fly from this failing state before it gets worst. In coming years its going to completely fail.

Even your leaders know that, see they are making “HAY” while “AMERICAN SUN” is shining. After this sunshine is over, there will be a very cold and dark night. So either flee or prepare to get beheaded.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

@“When the terrorists strike in broad daylight in the presence of tens of thousands people in a high security environment within earshot of Amritsar it naturally sends shock waves across India. It is no more relevant where they have struck — on this side or the other side of the Wagah border. The ground reality is that there is no such thing as absolute security anymore,” Bhadrakumar said.”

–That’s why Indians (bloggers) are thinking and discussing after each incident, be it Mumbai, Swat or Lahore. So those Pakistanis who complain why India is so concerned about happenings in Pakistan should have some clue. Amristar is just 50km away from Lahore, but it is not the distance that matters. Depending upon the firewall, effectively Amritsar could be 5000Km away or just 50Km if Indian security is bad. Best is that Pakistan fixes itself. Does not seem that way, Pakistan politicians are fighting, leaving their country in neglect at this critical time–just disgusting and pouring fuel over burning Pakistan.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

While it is tempting to compare Lahore with Mumbai superficially, it does not hold when you realize that Mumbai remained under siege for more than two days by less than a dozen attackers and the Indian security forces were rendered completely helpless. Although it was clearly a security lapse in Lahore, it bears very little resemblance to Mumbai. And stretching it to conclude that Pak is a failed state is just self-serving exaggeration by India’s Congress leaders.

The fall of Pakistan is being openly discussed now – not in this forum, but in a reputed British newspaper “The Guardian”.

Read the following articles:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar  /05/nuclear-weapons-pakistan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar  /05/sri-lanka-cricket-team-attack

Riaz Haq:
@While it is tempting to compare Lahore with Mumbai superficially, it does not hold when you realize that Mumbai remained under siege for more than two days by less than a dozen attackers and the Indian security forces were rendered completely helpless. Although it was clearly a security lapse in Lahore, it bears very little resemblance to Mumbai.”
–But considering the targets, much worse. Imagine the SL team not existing to play their innings. If they are alive, the credit does not go to security, but to their luck (rocket missed the bus) and the the driver who was lucky to be alive and kept his cool to drive.

@And stretching it to conclude that Pak is a failed state is just self-serving exaggeration by India’s Congress leaders.
-One would not need a Lahore attack to say that.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Riaz Haq writes: “While it is tempting to compare Lahore with Mumbai superficially, it does not hold when you realize that Mumbai remained under siege for more than two days by less than a dozen attackers and the Indian security forces were rendered completely helpless. Although it was clearly a security lapse in Lahore, it bears very little resemblance to Mumbai. And stretching it to conclude that Pak is a failed state is just self-serving exaggeration by India’s Congress leaders.”

I disagree. The similarity has been discussed even in Time magazine. The style of operation is very new. Until recently, suicide squads or car bombs were being used by terrorists in many countries. The Mumbai attacks and the Lahore attack have a lot of similarities. There were 10 attackers in Mumbai and a dozen in Lahore. All were in their 20s, well trained in commando style operations. One of the Pakistani witnesses of the Lahore attack has mentioned that he was amazed at the speed at which one of the militants changed the cartridge. The attack was planned and executed to near perfection. In Mumbai, the attackers came from outside the country. In Lahore, they knew the country to which they belong. So they could disappear into the crowd. All militants in both attacks carried sophisticated weaponry, back packs, ammunition etc. They came prepared for a long engagement in Mumbai. And it looks like that was the case in Lahore too. I think they were trying to take the cricketers hostage and demand something in return. They would have loved to do the same in Mumbai – inflict severe damage and disappear into the crowd or fight till death. unfortunately for the planners, Kasab got caught alive. Otherwise it would still be a guessing game. I will not be surprised if no one makes a claim. No one did after Mumbai attacks, other than a fictitious Deccan Mujahideen, which turned out to be non-existent. The real culprits did not leave any message after both attacks. no one is clear on what their message is.

What India and Pakistan should do now is to look at the evidence available for Mumbai and Lahore and see if that points at anything that can be contained quickly. Otherwise, these style of attacks are going to increase in frequency.

Umair,
I hope what you say about Pakistanis being great and capable people. You will need them to clean up this mess. Currently, your govt is not great and capable. When Zardari goes around using the Bhutto name you know he is incapable of doing anything on his own merit. I agree 100% with punjabiyaar’s list. Each point (1-12) is backed up with sufficient proof.

You stated:
we march towards victory in everything from sports to development.

Sports:
(from Times (UK). Timeline: cricket and Pakistan, a troubled history (03/03/2009))
May 2002 – Car bomb explodes in Karachi in front of the hotel where the New Zealand team are staying, killing 13 people, including 11 French navy experts. New Zealand called off the tour within hours of the attack.

Development:
Chinese (all-weather friends) & other foreigners engineers are held ransom or killed. These foreigners are in Pakistan not as economic migrants. They came to Pakistan to help develop dams and ports.

You also stated: Everything is fine in Pakistan.

Please listen to what other Pakistanis are saying.

The following extract (from BBC) is a quote from a Pakistani woman after the attack on the Sri Lankan team:

“The world was already critical of Pakistan. There’s no question in my mind that no-one will come here anymore. There’ll be no tourists, investors or sportsmen. I was worried before, I am even more worried now. I am an independent woman: I wear what I want and I go where I want. But with such extremist elements in our society, I fear our future is not a good one.”

Pakistani Newspapers:

“International cricket is no longer possible in Pakistan; therefore we should stop accusing foreign teams of discriminating against Pakistan vis-à-vis India. The question here is of the survival of Pakistan, not of cricket.” The Daily Times: ‘Al-Qaeda strikes in Lahore’

“Those who carped at [the] Australian refusal to tour here due to security concerns now have their comeuppance. Nobody is going to tour here for a very long time, be they cricketers, hockey players or players of tiddlywinks,” The News: ‘Cricket, the requiem’

“The Liberty tragedy reflects a crisis of governance in Pakistan in general and Punjab in particular, a breakdown of law and order providing a golden opportunity to terrorists to hit at will . . . the Liberty attackers must be hunted and captured dead or alive” The Nation: ‘A fatal blow to the country’s image’

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

The statement by the Congress spokesperson is stupid in the extreme. He is oblivious of conditions in Somalia. But then one expects nothing better from politicians at election time.

On the other hand, it was strange to hear you say “India and Pakistan will survive or sink together, and it doesn’t really matter whether it is Pakistan or India that resembles Somalia.” These comparisions are even more inane. The excuse of being a loud mouthed politican can’t be applied here.

Dara

It is not congress party that is saying pakistan would be the next somalia but lot of indians i talk to including myself could not help but compare pakistan with somalia or sudan. but the only problem would be the refugees who would pour into india in huge numbers.

but it may be a good news for balochis.

Posted by vivek | Report as abusive

Rajeev, nicely said about comparing lahore attack with mumbai. it seems to me that punjab governor was trying to draw sympathy to his nation by comparing it to mumbai which got lot of attention concern and sympathy from all over the world.

nice camouflage attempt. it is like burning up your own house and comparing it to the arson in australia or california.

pakis have made to portray itself as south asia or subcontinent whenever there is negative news about them.

Posted by vivek | Report as abusive

You people are all foolish.

Umair, is correct, Pakistan is fine! Nothing wrong with it!

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

It does in fact seem like Pakistan is heading for the brink of becoming a failed state – although it does not seem as if it is one already. I just read through Moni Mohsin’s piece on the subject in the Boston Review – she looks at how a quarter century of Islamization, plus the bottoming out of Pakistan’s late economic boom, led to this mess:

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR34.2/mohsi n.php

Posted by cjs | Report as abusive

Sri Lankan spinner Muthiah Muralitharan, Australian umpire Simon Taufel and former England Test player Dominic Cork too have joined in the chorus against the poor security arrangements at Lahore.

Both Muralitharan and Taufel have spoken about an inexplicable change made to the departure timing of the Pakistani team’s bus that had the effect of sparing the host nation’s team from the terrorists’ bullets.

Taufel told The Times that while the two teams had travelled to the stadium together on the previous two days, on the day of the attack the bus carrying the Pakistan team left five minutes later.

“One thing I have been impressed about in Pakistan is that logistically they are usually very well organised. They normally depart on time,” he said in comments quoted on Thursday.

“We knew we were departing at 8.30 a.m on the third morning. As to why the Pakistani team left at a different time, I don’t know.”

Muralitheran suggested the terrorists may have had inside information.

“Somehow in this incident there were no police with guns on the bus – if someone was there with a gun we would have had a chance of defending ourselves,” Muralitharan told Radio5aa in Adelaide, Australia.

Cork said the Lahore attack was “one of the most frightening experiences” imaginable.

“It’s just been one of the most frightening experiences you could ever witness,” said Cork, whose bus was just ahead of the ones carrying the Sri Lankan players and umpires.

Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf also got into the act Thursday, blaming the security forces for not reacting swiftly and effectively when the terrorist struck.

“I expected the security forces to shoot down those people who attacked the Sri Lankan team. There are elite forces placed there and they are expected to react within three seconds of any such incident,” he told reporters here.

“This the kind of training that these forces are provided with. The standards of the training have to improve if we are to tackle such situations effectively,” the former president maintained.

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

Its Congress Party thinking Pakistan as Somalia but The elders of Congress Party look into yourself where is somaila, the somalia in every where in India (click and see) its an example:

http://images.google.com.pk/images?sourc e=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Indian%20Poverty&lr=&u m=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

You people doing politics only not for your own Somali nation.

Khurram

Posted by Khurram Ahmed | Report as abusive

The Author’s exhibited his sheer ignorance of India & that the subject is beyond his comprehension is very obvious in his post – but what’s unpardonable is that even if he’s given the benefit of doubt that being a journalist he has the license to write whatever nonsensical speculations he wants to indulge in – in his arrogance, he’s not even used his brain stuff superficially, so that even a single point, however pitiful, could be commented on- I bet, on a flat global map, he wouldn’t be able to pinpoint India & he has the audacity to……. – pathetic!

Posted by anup | Report as abusive

And now the dead are also insecure: http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/hea dlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=1008

This is similar to what Somalia militias are doing

Posted by Jerry | Report as abusive

The author of this article has ignored lot of facts. It’s US which nurtured terrorist groups in Pakistan to fight a proxy war with the Soviets. Pakistani ISI funded all the US and the Arab money to these terrorists. Until it was on their favour US sat quiet though intelligence reports clearly suggested that there were terror outfits in Pakistan. Pakistani radicals using religion as bait were effectively able to brainwash some Indian and Kashmiri Muslims to create religious hate in India, this was basis of Kashmiri freedom. After doing all the nasty work no one would want to take blame for what’s happening in Pakistan. It’s a law of karma, for every action there will be an equal and opposite reaction. India for years has fought against cross border terrorism and is capable enough of doing so in coming years.

Posted by rhs_rohith | Report as abusive

Mr. Khurram,

We as humans are tired of cantankerous pakistanis who really do not want to accept things at the face value. It is your govt which is failing, terror all over your country, targetting innocent, making deals with terrorists, political infighting. Your country is dangerously poised with the nukes anytime under terrorists control, which is a matter or concern for many countries. Instead of doing some soul searching you people with child-like attitude present images of indian poverty. If you happen to type Pakistan poverty, you will get the same images of poverty in Pakistan. So, please grow up.

Posted by John | Report as abusive

@ Khurram,

I agree India has poverty too, but just googling “India Poverty” and pasting a link does not serve your purpose. We can start a slinging match but here is the very same answer to your link.

http://images.google.co.in/images?hl=en& q=pakistan+poverty&btnG=Search+Images&gb v=2

Poverty exists everywhere. Supporting terrorism is not.

To all readers:
The so called “journalists” are a dime a dozen, be they from the west, India or Pakistan. They are human with all the vices and biases. But they serve an excellent function. Provoke thoughts and try to bring in ratings or traffic to their website for commerce, being tools of the media business.

Fortunately, India does not let journalists and time pass writers form their policies.

In the event Pakistan turns into Somalia of south asia, their will be one major positive outcome for India. It will suffer initially because of unpreparedness and politics as in Pakistani sponsered Mumbai terror attack, but then quickly resort to fighting asymeteric warfare against the attacking “Pak-Somalian warmongering”, be it in Kashmir, Pakistan or in India, if only by neccessity and to survive. India is already working with the best of the breed, Israel and the US on to keep Pakistani asymeteric aggression in check. Israel has effectively proven what it can do in the middle east.

In our scenarios the stakes are so hign, that Pakistan would never dream of ending its existance by launching a nuke, because Pakistan would cease to exist in a full nuclear exchange, whereas India can survive this scenario with heavy to moderate casualities.

On the other hand if Pakistan chooses to play Somalia-Somaliato serve international politics and keep it well within its borders, more power to them.

Bottomline, India has can not suffer any more than it already has from Pakistani attacks, the net looser will be Pakistani people if they allow Jinah’s dream to turn into Somalia of South Asia.
Peace.

Posted by Nathuram Waghmare | Report as abusive

“Security ‘left us to be sitting ducks’ claims Broad (ICC’s match referee)”
“I’m angry with the Pakistani security forces,” Broad said. “We were promised high level security and in our hour of need that security vanished. There was not a sign of a policeman anywhere. They had clearly gone, left the scene and left us to be sitting ducks. I had an inkling before the Test match leg of the tour that something might happen. I certainly didn’t think this was going to happen.”

http://content.cricinfo.com/pakvsl/conte nt/story/393411.html

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Rajeev,

Any civilized country in 2009, relying on Pakistan, a country its people who have chosen to let warlords roam free, incite ethnic violence, trains and indoctrinates their innocent children, and youngsters, a gift from God, to carry out suicide bombing to kill other innocents, in violation of their own and all holy books to further politics and “personal or agency agendas” in cold blood, should not be surprised to find themselves as “sitting ducks” with “no police in site” to give terrorist posers ample latitude to “attack” them.
Solution is to stop all goodwill toward Pakistan because there is none over there toward the world. If they can attack sport entertainers with AK47s and grenades, all bets should be off. Do you really think people of Pakistan care? I guess next they will shoot doctors and nurses, they have already beat up judges and lawyers. Like General Kayani said: “We here in Pakistan may be crazy, but we are not out of our minds”. Really General Sahab? If military is so diciplined and strong, why did this attack happen? Is it to make Pakistan appear like the wild wild west?
If the Pakistani people cared enough we would see protest enmass in the streets demanding change. But people seem satisfied with daily beatings and attacks with army/ISI pulling the strings to some how blame India. Very sad situation for people of both countries.
Peace.

Posted by Nathuram Waghmare | Report as abusive

I think India is identical to Ethiopia or ehtiopia of Asia with 99% of its population dying of malnutrition and its government or should i say hindu radicals buying arms to show a macho side even though its got a malnourished and diseased center the outer of india is a egg shell

Posted by Bilal | Report as abusive

@I think India is identical to Ethiopia or ehtiopia of Asia with 99% of its population dying of malnutrition and its government or should i say hindu radicals buying arms to show a macho side even though its got a malnourished and diseased center the outer of india is a egg shell
- Posted by Bilal

–Hmm……99% malnutrition in India idenical to Ethiopia!!! You lost your case right away—
case dismissed.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Nathuram:

@Any civilized country in 2009, relying on Pakistan, a country its people who have chosen to let warlords roam free, incite ethnic violence, trains and indoctrinates their innocent children, and youngsters, a gift from God, to carry out suicide bombing to kill other innocents, in violation of their own and all holy books to further politics and “personal or agency agendas” in cold blood, should not be surprised to find themselves as “sitting ducks” with “no police in site” to give terrorist posers ample latitude to “attack” them.

–Although some hate to admit, the situation is bad. Although only policemen died, Lahore attack showed the ease and audacity of the terrorists and the fact they have support in civilian population to hide immediately after the attack.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

What I am worried about is similar terrorist attacks that will happen in India soon. There are a lot of people inside Pakistan, including normal people, who are reeling after seeing the state their country is falling into. They would not like to see a prosperous India gaining upward while their country begins to burn down. So there will be terrible attacks inside India. With the general elections coming in a month or so, the timing will be ideal. They can try to derail the election process by assassinating key Indian politicians. That attempt will bring the two countries to the brink of war definitely. The degree of emotion runs very high – “I don’t care if I lose both of my eyes. I want my enemy to lose at least one.”

Pakistan’s Federal Investigation Agency has already announced that it will not be continuing with the Mumbai attack probe, because of “lack of co-operation” from the Indian authorities. Mumbai probe will get buried underneath all the new probes that will pile up on top. Some group inside the Pakistani establishment is behind the recent terrorist acts, in collusion with one or more of the jihadi groups. They are trying something new – not claim any responsibility for the acts and add confusion and blame games.

I hope the Indian authorities are watching this and doing the needful. Cricket in India is the next target. They will hit the IPL and shut down India’s international stature as well. And it will get a lot of support from Pakistanis en masse because their cricket has been shut down. Why should India be allowed to enjoy? India should be mobilizing security and should warn the people to be careful.

Something terrible is going to happen in India. I do not feel good about the developments.

@Mauryan

Those are my concern too.
After mumbai Indians are running thin of patience. Pak has shown that they are not serious in dismantling terrorist infrastructure. US/Indian diplomacy was only successful in making Pak accept ownership of attacks. And that’s where it has ended. Nothing has changed at ground level.
Its high time India takes care of her problems herself.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

Chirkut,

I think there are vested interest groups inside the Pentagon/CIA/British military and intelligence units to let India suffer. There is still a lot of cold war residue left in the system. The President of the US, their secretary of State, UK Prime Minister, Defense Minister etc get to see only what is presented to them by their intelligence agencies. And they’d believe their agencies more. As a result, India’s pleas have been ignored over and over again. If no Westerner or Jews were targeted in Mumbai, they would let Pakistan dance around the fire of celebration and told India to seek diplomatic means to coax them. Even now Pakistan has managed to slip away from the Mumbai attack investigations.

Pakistan has been very careful with Western powers by providing them what they want and the West has learnt to turn a blind eye towards Pakistan’s ventures into India so that they can get their business going.

War on terror means, terrorism that affects the US, UK and their NATO allies only. The rest are children of a lesser God. If India falls apart, they hardly care. The economy is in shambles anyway. Obama is going to close the doors on out sourcing for sometime or may be a long time. So India is not that critical as it was a year ago.

Things have changed suddenly and India finds the same scenario of having to fend for itself.

Pakistan will do more harm to India soon to deflect the attention of the home grown terrorists against their own establishment. Burning India helps them survive. Making India chase them (Mumbai investigations, Dawood Ibrahim, Mausud Azhar and so on) is a very enjoyable thing for them and they’d like to keep it that way.

So India will have to brace itself for a major showdown starting now. I hope the clowns running the government in India are working double time to make sure nothing unusual is going on and acting preemptively if needed.

If the US would like to go back to the Soviet era strategy to arming Pakistani millitary, make a deal with Taliban o defeat Al-Qaeda (ridiculous!!!), the world would know that there are vested interests involved.

U.S. would like to curb Indian power in the reqion and assume its leadership. It knows that if Pakistan fail, India would be the sole power in the region rivaling China in Asia.

Also its millitary industrial complex need to sell its weapon in one pretext or other – to US. millitary and to other corners of the world, the current reason is terrorism. So even U.S. has the means to end terrorism, it would let it thrive longer in order to have all other regions of the world destabilize and serve as “strategic distraction”.

Posted by Suv | Report as abusive

Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, Now after its failure to defame Pakistan, even after killing its own people in the name of 26/11 mumbai incident, india has started to show its crule intentions towards a peace-loving country, india is lossing against Pakistan in every aspect and God is helping Pakistan (see Wagha incidents, when indian soldier got terrified byu Pakistani soldier, Nature has beaten india against Pakistan) Now india is using cheap tricks like attacking the Cricket Players, ruining the paradise on earth by funding SWAT militants, and many more. india should not forget that the world is watching. india is famous for mass murders of muslims, who do not know the story of Babu Bajrangi, who himslef raped, killed, burnt alive, tear-apart more than 100 muslims with the support of Chief Minister Narendra Modi and indian govt. is doing nothing on this case (see india\’s owned website http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp? filename=Ne031107NarodaPatyaMassacre.asp  )

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Pakistan is doomed. 70% of Paks support Taliban and sympathise religiously with Osama Bin Laden, even today.

The real war will between the extremist Taliban armies and the Pak Military. Lahore, Islamabad and Peshawar will become an urban bloodbath between the Army and Islamic Extremists. There will be rampant violence there, as in Iraq, during the U.S. occupation.

Pakistan’s destiny is failure and civil war, due to the ineptness of its citizens and the greedy Pak Army. A large civil war in Pakistan will brew and destroy it in the future one day.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Read the comments made by a guy named “Peace.”

His eyes are closed. His ears are closed. And he is chanting non stop – RAW is destroying Pakistan, Mumbai attack was staged by India to get sympathy, Lahore attack was staged by India to derail Pakistan’s cricket, Pakistan is a peace loving country, India is a monster and so on.

If repeated non stop, it becomes a mantra and takes over one’s psyche. This method is used in brain washing. You can see that this guy is not the only one who has been thoroughly brain washed. You can never even sit and reason with him. If you give him a bomb to strap around himself and sent off towards India, he will do it without a thought. Now you understand how militants are trained in the peace loving country call Pakistan.

And Pakistan is becoming filled with people of this kind more. As hope disappears, a mental trauma sets in and survival instincts kick in. The mind pushes one to switch sides and start working with those who victimize them.

Jinnah’s dream is being buried 60 odd years after he died.

We must discuss not about where Pakistan is headed. Everyone seems clear on that. The discussion should steer towards what India can do now to save itself from the flames that will spread from its Western border.

HA HA HA! these are the funiest comments I ever had….YES I am a devoted PAKISTANI AND MUSLIM and I am not coward like you, it would be an honor for me to die in the name of ISLAM and PAKISTAN….don’t you have courage to do something for your country and sorry to say for your imaginations. This is not called brain washing it is called patriotism. I think your govt. has been successfull in emptying your brain and filled your skull with cow droppings. india is the most hypocratic country in world the entire (hindu) nation is very creative in stipulating stories which no one with common sense would agree whether it would be mumbai incident, destruction of babri mosque…and above all they are proud to call Babu Bajrangi as the “Cowboy of Gujrat”..what is this are they proud of world greatest muslime genocist…….

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Mr. Peace,

I feel sorry for your state of mind. It is not going to alter the reality in any way. Enjoy the status today. Because your country is going to break down soon and your people are going to see a lot of violence. Wish you all the best.

My only worry is about protecting India from the flames of the fire that is going to engulf your country.

@Peace,

You like a lot of chest thumpers like you show a lot of male bravado against a fictitious enemy, like India, because you are hiding your true feelings. You know that it is a matter of time before the violence and the killings start on the streets of Lahore, Peshawar and Islamabad. This will be muslim on muslim violence, which has nothing to do with ISLAM, or PAKISTAN. You will have neither, if you average Paks do nothing to save your country. It will plunge into hell, just like Iraq.

The question is, do you have the inners spiritual courage to stand up and fight for your country against these radical Islam taliban jihadi’s? Or are you going to live in a state of fear and denial and sanitize your fear and shame by hurling and vomiting hate at Indians?

Take your choice Peace, believe it or not, the nicest people within a thousand miles are on the other side of the border in India. The Indians are angels compared to the taliban. Please point your anger towards the west.

By the way, I would grow my beard and wear salwar kameez, get rid of your computers, Cd’s, movies, tv’s and radios.

Since cricket is gone, you have lots of time to organize against the Taliban now.

The taliban may behead you if you have these little western inventions.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Peace:

Pakistan’s greatness is shown in this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in _Pakistan

Demography
In August 1947, at the end of British Raj, the population percentage of Hindus in what is today in Pakistan was perhaps as high as 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2% in the years since independence. According to the 1998 Pakistan Census, caste Hindus constitute about 1.6 percent of the total population of Pakistan and about 6.6% in province of Sindh. The Pakistan Census separates Schedule Castes from the main body of Hindus who make up a further 0.25% of national population[1]

By contrasr, Indian Mulsims are ~15% now, a steadily rising polpulation in India.

Your patriotism–killing minorities. Shame on you!

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Peace,
Please read your newspapers:

Pakistani Newspapers:

“International cricket is no longer possible in Pakistan; therefore we should stop accusing foreign teams of discriminating against Pakistan vis-à-vis India. The question here is of the survival of Pakistan, not of cricket.” The Daily Times: ‘Al-Qaeda strikes in Lahore’

“Those who carped at [the] Australian refusal to tour here due to security concerns now have their comeuppance. Nobody is going to tour here for a very long time, be they cricketers, hockey players or players of tiddlywinks,” The News: ‘Cricket, the requiem’

“The Liberty tragedy reflects a crisis of governance in Pakistan in general and Punjab in particular, a breakdown of law and order providing a golden opportunity to terrorists to hit at will . . . the Liberty attackers must be hunted and captured dead or alive” The Nation: ‘A fatal blow to the country’s image’

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

@Rajeev,

You have 2 things wrong in Pakistan:

1) Pakistan has extremist Islam, from its inception.

2) The people of Pakistan have very little to no moral center of humanity.

Hate, blame, religious politics, lying, conspiracy stories, propaganda, fighting, constant terrorism crises and lastly, cricket seem to be the only things, which electrify and embolden Pakistani’s.

I am astonished to see the lack of: humanity, coherence, introspect, the ability to self-examine and self-correct, shame amidst MUMBAI, despite mountains of evidence against Pakistan and daily shameless shows of its flip-flopping and double standards and still maintaining an aggressive posture towards India, despite India being a victim of Pak violence.

Absolutely laughable!

India is far from perfect, but as a Hindu, I will be the first one to say that I reject any communal violence, as it is wrong. But I also think it is wrong for India to sit idly by and be viewed of as weak.

Pakistan has become a disgrace and laughing stock of the world. Nobody wants to touch Pakistan within a thousand miles.

Pakistan is reaping what is has sown, may it continue to do so. It is best if Pakistan collapses and rebuilds anew, with a SUFI Islam, which is rational, fair, spiritual and gentle in nature.

Long Live Mukhtar Mai, one of the Greatest People in Pakistan!

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Only an idiot Indian would compare Pakistan with Somalia. Then again Indians are brainwashed by their junk media.

Even if Pakistan is Somalia, what is India, a third world garbage dump of a nation going to do ? The Indians could not even control Sri Lanka through their Tamil Tigers.

LIDF is holding an event (supported by the British High Commission in Pakistan) called

Filmmaking for Social Change: Prevent and Resolve Conflict

that may be of interst to you all

2pm – 8pm Wednesday 1 April 2009 at the RSA

http://www.lidf.co.uk/lidf09/feature-eve nts/filmmaking-for-social-change/

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