Comments on: Pakistan’s Swat deal under microscope again, after attack http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14162 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:42:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14162 Peace,

Please take a pill to care yourself down.
What proof do you have that India is funding Taliban in Swat? None. If this was the case Pakistan and India would be at war already. Its all in your head. You call yourself a patriotic Pakistani, well good for you. However, do not let your patriotism cloud your thinking to make rash judgements. You mention RAW today; next week you will state CIA, MI5, MI6 or your great satan…MOSSAD!!!!

Isn’t it disheartening enough to see the Sri Lankan players get attacked on their way to the stadium? They were promised ‘presidential security’. Where was it? No country will come to Pakistan to play international cricket for a long time. The ICC will drop Pakistan as host of the 2011 Cricket World Cup, but India and Bangladesh will lose out in this too. For all I know South Africa will host in 2011.

Pakistan has suffered and will continue to suffer, which is why its been:

(1) Asking Saudi Arabia for defferment in oil payments.
(2) Asking the USA for ‘money on the table’ no questions asked and no strings attached.
(3) Asking China for a loan (soft or otherwise) and getting rebuffed.
(4) Forming this ‘Friends Of Democratic Pakistan’ group to help steer Pakistan through tough times. This was a real desperate attempt to get as many countries together and show how friendly Pakistan is.
(5) Going to the IMF for a loan and meeting having to meet the IMF guys in Dubai because of secuity concerns in Pakistan.

No tourists will visit Pakistan; no international sports events will be hosted by Pakistan because foreign teams will not want to travel there. No investments will come into the country because of these incidents, but also there is a worldwide recession.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14154 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:58:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14154 @Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, ……………..india is famous for mass murders of muslims….”
– Posted by Peace

-Peace: Indian Muslims do not give a damn to your sympathies–your crocodile tears for vested interest or time-pass. They are sick and angry at you people from Pakistan–sitting in Pakistan and pretending to be fellow Muslim brother. They do not want to be attached to you–such is your stage. Sane Muslims accept that India is the best place for them. There is a scope for progress. Hatred taught to you or self-learnt that Indian Muslims have Economic and social disparity etc. is a myth. You can count the # of Muslim riots and other such incidents on your fingers (in many cases culpirits held), but you need days to write about the benifits and advantages they have in Indian system–workable secular democracy, # of prominent Indian names in all walks of life. All those prominent persons if they had decided to go to Pakistan would perhaps be talking crap like you and doing nothing else for the good of Pakistan. Go man get some life. Leave Indian alone.

As you would know your former Pres. Musharraf was in India invited at a meeting also talke about RA&W role in India. He said this:
“We have to accept the reality. Your R&AW does exactly what the ISI does. My request is let us tackle the RAW and the ISI to stop this confrontation,”

A prominent Indian Muslim responded like this. Click below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1sUdAdl NI

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14153 Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:56:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14153 @Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, ……………..india is famous for mass murders of muslims, who do not know the story of Babu Bajrangi, who himslef raped, killed, burnt alive, tear-apart more than 100 muslims with the support of Chief Minister Narendra Modi and indian govt. is doing nothing on this case (see india’s owned website http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp? filename=Ne031107NarodaPatyaMassacre.asp   )
– Posted by Peace

-Peace: Indian Muslims do not give a damn to your sympathies–your crocodile tears for vested interest or time-pass. They are sick and angry at you people from Pakistan–sitting in Pakistan and pretending to be fellow Muslim brother. They do not want to be attached to you–such is your stage. Sane Muslims accept that India is the best place for them. There is a scope for progress. Hatred taught to you or self-learnt that Indian Muslims have Economic and social disparity etc. is a myth. You can count the # of Muslim riots and other such incidents on your fingers (in many cases culpirits held), but you need days to write about the benifits and advantages they have in Indian system–workable secular democracy, # of prominent Indian names in all walks of life. All those prominent persons if they had decided to go to Pakistan would perhaps be talking crap like you and doing nothing else for the good of Pakistan. Go man get some life. Leave Indian alone.

As you would know your former Pres. Musharraf was in India invited at a meeting also talke about RA&W role in India. He said this:
“We have to accept the reality. Your R&AW does exactly what the ISI does. My request is let us tackle the RAW and the ISI to stop this confrontation,”

A prominent Indian Muslim responded like this. Click below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1sUdAdl NI

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By: Peace http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14100 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:14:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14100 Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, Now after its failure to defame Pakistan, even after killing its own people in the name of 26/11 mumbai incident, india has started to show its crule intentions towards a peace-loving country, india is lossing against Pakistan in every aspect and God is helping Pakistan (see Wagha incidents, when indian soldier got terrified byu Pakistani soldier, Nature has beaten india against Pakistan) Now india is using cheap tricks like attacking the Cricket Players, ruining the paradise on earth by funding SWAT militants, and many more. india should not forget that the world is watching. india is famous for mass murders of muslims, who do not know the story of Babu Bajrangi, who himslef raped, killed, burnt alive, tear-apart more than 100 muslims with the support of Chief Minister Narendra Modi and indian govt. is doing nothing on this case (see india’s owned website http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp? filename=Ne031107NarodaPatyaMassacre.asp  )

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By: M Saleem Chaudhry http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14095 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 06:48:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14095 The Machiavellian tactics,used like Zardari did in his op-ed in The Wall Street Journal,cut down the scope for the success of any initiative,like agreement with Sufi Mohammad of TNSM,drastically. The ugly rationalization in an attempt to play double game,consoling the foes and friends at the same time, can’t be a fruitful exercise, particularly when dealing with single track fanatics,devoid of pragmatism.Such issues require patient handling which persons with the haunt of insecurity(mental) can hardly exercise.Unfortunately their cohorts,a bunch of greedy stooges can hardly contribute

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14063 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:30:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14063 Rajeev
@What will you label Pakistan? you could label as terrorist state, sick unit or whatever. I dont care, I love Pakistan. We are hell bent to make this venture successful inspite of cut throat competition. For us going bankrupt or having acquired or getting into a merger is simply not an option. We strive to be market leader creating new benchmarks in excellence.
– Posted by Umair

Umair: I like this optimism and spirit. I agree merger idea is no option–that will sink even the most successful unit. It needs to be dealt with in current state. Also, Pakistan needs to sail in one boat, either military dictatorship or civilian govt that controls military. Military has tried managing and it has not worked.

Good luck!
Concerned neighbor

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14061 Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:38:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14061 Global watcher,

Not only Umair,but also most of the Punjabi Pakistanis prefer a military style government. They have the largest enrollment in their military. They are a dominant culture. For centuries these people have been engaged in two activities mostly – farming and war. And there have been innumerable wars in this region. Punjab in general, including the Indian side also can be considered to be the same in this regard. But adding Islam to the already burning psyche makes it a little deadlier. The Hindu Punjabis are fully tempered by the pacific nature of their religion in general. The Sikhs have a mix of both Islam and Hinduism and are somewhere in between. The Pakistani Punjabis see themselves as a very big and powerful community. To them, everything else looks small, weak and effeminate. They were mainly responsible for the separation of East Pakistan. They are the ones who have driven their country to this state by believing in brute strength and macho exhibition. But they also have lived up to it. They produced one of the best sportsmen in the world, in hockey and cricket especially. They are world class as military soldiers. The British could not touch them when all of them (Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus) were under Ranjit Singh. They are tough people and Gandhian style approach to matters does not appeal to them. Ever since Pakistan’s creation, they have been itching for confrontation somewhere. They are so blinded by testosterone that they are looking at a huge country like India at par with themselves. And they have dragged the rest of the country with them. The Pashtuns are relatively soft people. They come after others only when provoked. Otherwise they mind their own business. The Sindhis are into money making and business. They want no macho military adventures with anyone. The Balochis are more like the Pashtuns. So Pakistan’s belligerent attitude comes from their Punjab heartland. They prefer a military dictatorship because dictators need to run the war machine. That is all they are familiar with. If an academic ran the country, he will look at setting up educational institutions. If an industrialist or a businessman ran the country, he would try to set up industry and infrastructure. Engineers will set up roads, dams, power lines and so on. Military generals will set up an infrastructure for defense purposes. If there is no enemy, they will create one.

Pakistanis have been ruled for too long by military and they have not been exposed to free societies. Those who live in England and other Western nations, prefer to live there and will not return to their homeland. Hence the inclination of Mr. Umair to love the military and iron hand in everything. To him slow justice will not appeal. That is why he supports the Taliban rule as well – quick and simple justice. Brutal means will help enforce harsh tranquility. And it appeals to these people.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14053 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:25:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14053 @umair,

Umair seems to be a big fan of the Pak Army. I think I can accurately says that he advocates military rule over democracy and military proxy wars over peace. It is time for a regime change in Pakistan, by that I mean that the Pak Military should be fired by its people.

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By: chirkut http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14051 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:55:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14051 @Umair

Yes, Every country has problem but not on a scale of what Pakistan is having. Read bulletfish’s comment above till the message sinks in. What’s bad is that those problems are just few pakistan is having.

In a real world/Business/Enterprise results are what matters and not intentions. No matter how good your/Paki’s intentions are about your country the fact at the ground is the same.

The things you told to show that life is normal in pakistan is the same in even a failed country. But in a failed/failing country Inflation is rampant, currency is devaluated, Balance of payment is precarious and country is running out of liquid cash and seeking loans/aids a little too frequently to survive thru essential imports. Unfortunately all these symtoms are there with Pakistan.

With all the above i see your case as a case of delusion rather than confidence.

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By: David http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/05/pakistans-swat-deal-under-microscope-again-after-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-14047 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:30:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2148#comment-14047 Umair,
Thanks for the optimistic note. I feel better. I hope things will get better and prosperous. Just stay away from Talibans, killing humans or blowing up things anywhere.

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