Lahore conspiracy theories go beyond the boundary

March 6, 2009

Conspiracy theories have filled a void in Pakistan that opened up as soon as the dozen gunmen who attacked the visiting Sri Lankan cricket team made a leisurely getaway  without any apparent casualties after a 25 minute gun battle.

Since the attack on Tuesday, Pakistani authorities have yet to reveal where the investigation was going,  despite Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi saying “important  leads” had been established.

There has been finger pointing in the Pakistani media in various directions, but the sympathies of the indiviual reporter or media group have to be examined in every case. Only the conspiracy theorists have answers to who could have done it and why.
 
    WHO ARE THE SUSPECTS?
    Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani jihadi group blamed for the slaughter of nearly 170 people in Mumbai last November. There were some similiarities, but LeT hasn’t got any history of attacking inside Pakistan.

Maybe LeT fears the Pakistan government, having already arrested a handful of LeT members named in the Mumbai case, seriously aims to put it out of
business and wanted to send a warning, destabilise a Pakistani government it thinks is soft on India and Kashmir. Maybe it is worried the old  friends in Pakistani intelligence are abandoning them.

But the rationale for targetting Sri Lankan cricketers, in Lahore, a city where the LeT has moved easily in the past, is hard to see.

 Another Sunni militant group with far stronger ties to al Qaeda is Lashkar-e-Janghvi. Like LeT, LeJ is a Punjabi group.

But LeJ has provided footsoldiers for al Qaeda operations, and has been involved in spectacular attacks, most recently the  suicide truck boming of the Marriott hotel in Islamabad last September, which killed 55 people.

As the Daily Times notes, the involvement of LeJ, or another group in al Qaeda’s thrall makes sense on some levels. But the question of why the Sri  Lankans were targeted is hard to square unless the answer is that it could have been anybody. The attack has certainly achieved an  al Qaeda objective in terms of ruining Pakistan’s international image and undermining faith in the government.

 The Pakistani Taliban also have ties to al Qaeda and have been blamed for the assassination of former prime minister  Benazir Bhutto, though there’s a surfeit of conspiracy theories around her slaying too.

Then there is the Indian factor. Attitudes towards India in Pakistan are polarised, with ordinary people in many parts of the country ready to make friends, but the media in both countries quickly turn on each other.

There have been three wars since Pakistan’s formation out of  the partition of India in 1947, and a peace process was frozen in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks.

A lot of rightists, people associated with the security apparatus and retired, but still influential generals would readily blame Indian intelligence.

 One junior minister from President Zardari’s party actually said there was evidence of Indian involvement before the government disowned his comments by saying it had no information so far.

There have been other accusations and allusions in the media to the Indian involvement.  A story in The News reported a day  after the attack the Punjab government had been warned that Indian intelligence was planning to hit the Sri Lankans in Lahore, and scanned copies of the purported CID report have been circulated via e-mail.

 Former Pakistani spy chief and Islamist sympathiser Hamid Gul has speculated that Indian intelligence could have helped the Tamil Tigers launch the attack. But remember Gul has said that both the 9/11  attacks in the United States and the November 26 raid on India could have been “inside jobs”. Nonsense it may be, but Gul is seen as very credible in Islamist, rightist quarters of Pakistan.

 So let’s look at his theory. In August, 2006, a bomb attack on Pakistan’s High Commissioner, Bashir Wali,  in Colombo killed four Sri Lankan soldiers. Wali, a former intelligence officer, is convinced India put the Tamil Tigers up to the attack, as a warning to Pakistan to stop meddling in Sri Lanka, according to a report in the News.
 
The Tigers haven’t targeted Sri Lankans abroad before, but they certainly have a motive — they’re on the point of defeat in northern Sri Lanka.

But why would Indian intelligence give them a hand? India is discomfited by the friendship between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Pakistan provides military training and arms to Sri Lanka.

 Indian involvement, if it was discovered, in the attack on Sri Lankan cricket team would presumbably drive Pakistan and Sri Lanka closer together. New Delhi shouldn’t want to risk that.

 Pakistan and India have a history of seeking revenge, tit-for-tat, actions, and as yet the books aren’t balanced for Mumbai . Some Indo-phobes suggest the Lahore attack was payback by an Indian intelligence agency , and many ordinary people find that easy to believe.

 If that was the case why hit the Sri Lankans? Why target a cricket team? People shouldn’t forget that if anyone loves cricket more than a Pakistani or a Sri Lankans it is an Indian.

 The next time the attack would be on Indian cricketers. Would
India’s agency, the Research & Analysis Wing, want to risk that? I don’t think so. They haven’t been playing that badly.

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a fascile analysis. History of tit for tat? You think India is running a whole terrorism enterprise like Pakistan, that India’s leaders who have to focus on getting elected every few years and do not have unending power like the Pak army are sitting and planning and wasting time on devious attacks in Pak?? Stop this idiotic equating India with this tin-pot dictatorship. Indians are struggling over larger issues, development, poverty, social differences (caste), multi-culturalism in a democratic environment, education, womens empowerment, education, arts. We don’t want to be wasting our time with these fanatics carrying age old complexes (some of them still talk of centuries old issues…for god’s sake, get a life ..or a psychiatrist).

Posted by sear | Report as abusive

The latest news is that Pakistan has given a clean chit to India and LTTE. Please read the news papers first.The only thing observed so far is that there are strong similarities between this attack and the Mumbai one. In both cases, no one could point a finger at the exact group that is behind the attacks. LeT has the highest probability of being the suspects. But nothing concrete has emerged yet. The operatives executed their tasks in commando style and with precision. They seemed to have had some inside information on the movements of the Sri Lankan team.Looks like this new group wants to cause confusion as much as possible. During the Mumbai attacks, one Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility and then it was later found to be bogus. If Kasab had been killed, it would have been more of a guessing game till now. To date, no one knows what the exact demands of this group are. The Mumbai attack was not in retaliation for something India did. Typically all attacks have been to settle the scores on some issue. Things had become very peaceful prior to the attacks. India was a safe country and the IPL ran with a roaring success. No one even thought of terrorism. Rather, it seemed to have died down. Even Kashmir had a relatively peaceful time. Then suddenly, out of the blues, the Mumbai attacks happened. Though Pakistani connection has been established, it is still not clear who in Pakistan is behind the attacks.While everyone was trying to understand the motive, the Lahore attack happened along pretty much the same lines. People are busy pointing fingers at each other, while no one has any clue as to what the motive is and who is behind this.Another finger print for this group is the new method of attack – no suicide bombing, or car blasts. It involves fully trained men who operate like a military commando unit.They are making a lot of gains by turning the blind men swing their swords at each other, while not claiming anything as a reason for their attacks.Pakistan should work with India. The Mumbai and Lahore attacks must be looked at using the same magnifying glass and the culprits traced. Even if they are inside Pakistan, they must be caught and brought to justice. They should be handed over to India. This has two advantages – the criminals will be out of Pakistan and in India they will have to face the justice for the crimes that they have committed. They will be executed and no one will see them again. This joint effort can help both countries build trust towards each other and help each other. This war on terrorism has to be done together by all affected countries. There is no point fighting each other. It only strengthens the common enemy.Cricket will return to the sub-continent only if India, Pakistan and Bangladesh act together and wipe out the menace. No one gains but the jihadis if the countries do not realize this.

Pakistan is not blaming India for the attacks and the link to an article below proves the same:http://www.business-standard.com/in dia/news/pak-suspects-al-qaeda-for-attac k-rules-out-india-hand/351085/Please get your facts right before publishing a blog

Posted by Kusum | Report as abusive

To the author…Name one tit for tat response that India has done – ever – in response to a terrorist incident. Ever. You should stop making statements like this.I do remember India shooting down a Pak Navy plane after it intruded into Indian territory. Well, it could be a tit for tat response to what happened in Kargil when our planes were shot down when they inadvertently moved into their territory.Then there was the call off of talks and things like that. But could you mention one credible report anywhere which points to India actually responding to terrorist incidents in the same language.What you will see the RAW does is a lot similar to what the MI5 and CIA does. That would imply you are calling them and indirectly the Britishers and Americans terrorists. Its acceptable. But then you need to accept that fact.So, stop writing blogs if you don’t expect to be questioned.

Posted by Jacob | Report as abusive

Is this guy serious?? How can Reuters allow such rant on its pages?India is winning the war of painting Pak in a corner and then why will it screw it all up by doing this? And tit for Tat Did India bomb the Marriott, Did India start a talib movement in SWAT?Typical of a ‘Gora’ to sound sanctimonious

Posted by Lok | Report as abusive

Dear Sear, Mauryan, Kusum and Jacob — I had not meant to to give credence to the allegations of Indian involvement, but rather to say there were these allegations, say where they were coming from, and give some explanation of how the allegations were being justified. Indeed the cases made for the other suspects — LET, LeJ (al Qaeda) are far more compelling. Remember these are conspiracy theories in Pakistan and meant to give insight into the way people are thinking. As for the government denials of any Indian involvement, we’re still waiting for an outright denial, as all we’ve heard so far is from Wednesday, when the government’s main spokesperson said the government had not received any information of Indian involvement — effectively disowning the shipping minister’s accusation after he said there was evidence. Likewise we’re still waiting for the definitive denial of LTTE involvement, as the LTTE spokesman who did deny this hasn’t been verified as reliable.

I think Reuters blog writers like Simon, Myra etc write something – not proved, alleged or controversial JUST TO make bloggers on either side of the borders post and fight here in blogs!!Most Pak newspapers have given a clean chit to India in today’s editions, including some like The Dawn being pro-India in editorials!! Why hasn’t Simon linked these editorials?These links should clear all doubts:http://tinyurl.com/blsvathttp://t inyurl.com/dem9rd

Posted by Venkat | Report as abusive

soon LTTE, LeT, LeJ, taliban, al-queda and paksiatn will declare India as a terrorist state .:Dand international community should stop maligning pakistan by calling it a terrorist state. a state in denial is a more apt name.

Posted by basu | Report as abusive

soon LTTE, LeT, LeJ, taliban, al-queda and paksiatn will declare India as a terrorist state after a meeting in the peaceful SWAT valley.:D

Posted by basu | Report as abusive

filed under c for crap

Posted by vivek | Report as abusive

I think we are mixing up the sports and real life issues here. Pakistan needs to sort out and make their own citizens safe before jumping up and down and throwing all these promises to these foreign players and officials. A country where the most powerful man(their president) is the most vulnerable person, how can they secure anybody there. I think it’s shame to even consider this name : Pakistan on world map.

Posted by gloryndia | Report as abusive

You are right.Pakistan has not matured as a Nation State.Born of peculiar ideology and short of ideological base to run the country, it has been in existence, blaming India and western powers.It gets finanacial aid from west showing China card,and moral support and still more cash from Saudi and and other Islamist countries. It still has not decided what form of Govt. it wants, dictatoship ot democracy, Fundamentalism of yore or modernity;support Iran,N.Korea, China and at the same time get aid from USA.Frienly with warlords in Afganistan, friendly to west;promote Osama, provide him sanctuary,at the same time fight against terror.Commit genocide in in East Pakistan, talk of human rights;spend billions on Nuclear warheads, no money to meet external debts.It is a failed state.

Posted by S.V.Ramanan | Report as abusive

You are right.Pakistan has not matured as a Nation State.Born of peculiar ideology and short of ideological base to run the country, it has been in existence, blaming India and western powers.It gets financial aid from west showing China card,and moral support and still more cash from Saudi and and other Islamist countries promoting fundamentalism. It still has not decided what form of Govt.it wants, dictatorship or democracy, Fundamentalism of yore or modernity;support Iran,N.Korea, China and at the same time get aid from USA.Friendly with warlords in Afganistan, friendly to west;promote Osama, provide him sanctuary,at the same time fight against terror.Commit genocide in in East Pakistan, talk of human rights;spend billions on Nuclear warheads, no money to meet external debts.It is a failed state.

Posted by S.V.Ramanan | Report as abusive

“The next time the attack would be on Indian cricketers. Would India’s agency, the Research & Analysis Wing, want to risk that? I don’t think so. They haven’t been playing that badly.”—Almost all Reuters journalists are desperately trying to sell this point on this blog, but the joke is that even hard-core pakistani’s are also not buying it – tch – but their glee has turned into despair – no wonder someone rightly stated – journalists are megalomaniacs…

Posted by anup | Report as abusive

In a country where everything is a secret, absolutely no transperency in governence and where there is no clear distinction between a terrorist,a politician and a mulla..helpless people including media can only hatch consipracy theories, when 150 million strong muslims does that it is bound to go beyond boundry..No wonder !!

Posted by Anitha | Report as abusive

Guys check this out – http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ KC05Df01.htmlPakistan's militants ready for moreBy Syed Saleem ShahzadKARACHI – Tuesday’s attack in the Pakistani city of Lahore on a convoy carrying Sri Lankan cricketers was carried out by disgruntled Punjabi militants seeking to extract concessions from the government, Asia Times Online has learned.

Posted by anup | Report as abusive

Simon,I am deeply offended by your insinuations at India. India has never done any such inhuman, immoral activity anywhere. India is a care giver, not home breaker. Ask any neighbor of India other than Pakistan.1. India even provided help to Pakistan during Kashmir earthquake.2. India has always lobbied at IMF, ICC in favor of Pakistan. India supported Pakistan even at times when Pakistan was let down by Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Saudi or China. I can provide you links to these. Someone had provided links in another article here.3. Pre-Mumbai, India was the only country willing to visit Pakistan after Australia pulled out of Pakistan.4. A weak Pakistan will make India weak. After this attack incident, now people are questioning India’s eligibility for IPL, Commonwealth and World Cup events. How is this going to help india.5. Indian leaders have always strongly argued for a strong, mature and one-piece Pakistan.India was the Attacking sportsmen in Pakistan??? I believe, you must be reading a lot from Pakistani Media. Your comparisons are as good as comparing actions of America and Al Quida. Not Just reprehensible, but shameful.I will not put another comment to this article!

Posted by David | Report as abusive

@Myra,I am surprise that this topic is being entertained.Do you personally believe that the cricket attack was staged in Pakistan or India? You must choose one or the other.Please answer directly and honestly.Thanks.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

SimonGet a life and not a conspiracy theorist for a friend! It is not the job of journalists do report all points of view and then giving them credence by leaving a coulda-woulda trail! Is it not your job to ensure veracity of information and source credibility before putting forth wild hypothesis casually?”But why would Indian intelligence give them a hand? India is discomfited by the friendship between Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Pakistan provides military training and arms to Sri Lanka”God-who is feeding you? Hamid Gul?

Posted by Sameer | Report as abusive

For almost 50 years, the Western powers had dealt with Pakistan mostly due to cold war reasons. India was way down poor, socialistic, pro-Soviet etc.. The perspective of India was not positive in the Western world until the late nineties. India did not even figure in most of the news and discussions in that world. If you look at major news papers in UK like the Guardian, this perspective will be apparent at first look.They have somehow developed this belief that Pakistan is more reliable for their purposes and India a mere irritant. So media and analysts have been biased in their views as a result. Only for the past decade there has been a tremendous thaw in India-US relations and that has opened up a different view of India. India’s issues are understood more. The US admits that India’s nuclear weapons and missiles are to protect itself from China. Until recently the West had equated India with Pakistan in a Hindu versus Muslim angle and did not look at other factors. India and Pakistan were called as the nuclear rivals and not China and India. And this belief has spread to the Pakistanis as well. They see themselves as superior to India as a result, because the West has become their masters.The Kashmir problem will need to be looked at again to change the perspectives. And that will bring in a better understanding of terrorism in the region. Until that happens, one can expect some kind of bias that does not look at India from a positive side. Bias happens due to emotion and humans are emotional. They may act cool, neutral, calm etc. But when it comes to them, they are not even aware that they have been taken over by it. It includes everyone including the author of this article and yours truly.We have to let things happen. This means, it will take time for bias to change towards neutrality. Until then things will look ignorant to one side and perfect for the other. This article shows that India is still not looked at with clear eyes in regards to being a victim of out right terrorism.

@Your comparisons are as good as comparing actions of America and Al Quida. Not Just reprehensible, but shameful.- Posted by David-David: you might want to give another thought to this. Perhaps you are right in that comparison. Also consider MI5 in there. This is no “lol”

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

@Simon,General Hamid Gul is one of the master architects of the terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan. In fact, he is listed as one of U.S.’s most wanted terrorists. This is exactly the doublespeaking and lying Pakistanis are so good at. They claim to be victims of terrorism, yet protect men like Hamid Gul. Don’t these people realize that we have the internet, it is 2009, we can hear and see everything in Pakistani almost in real time.While Pakistan professes to be fighting terror and be a victim of it, it lets criminals like Hamid Gul walk free in Pakistan.Rt. Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul has the blood of thousands of Afghans, Paks and thousands of Kashamiri Hindus on his hands. He is a pro-Islamacist expansionist and creates the truth in his own image and ignores the real truth altogether.If Pakistan protects such an insidious and notorious lying, conspiracy toting man, why should Pakistan be given any lee-way, protection, aid, or even a sympathetic ear? It is extremely humours that the citizens of Pakistan view this conniving cloak and dagger specialist as a hero, when he belongs in jail.Either the people of Pakistan are extremely deluded and lied to, or they back and morally support what he stands for. It is no wonder then, that the citizens of Pakistan suffer from terrorism, they are in fact tacitly complicit and quietly sympathize with it.This is the real reason why Pakistan is destined to fail and come apart. Religion is not enough to keep it together, neither is the military.Pakistan has no credibility whatso ever.

Posted by Global watcher | Report as abusive

Simon,I understand that the bloggers in Reuters, such as yourself, are enthusiastic & want to encourage discussion on daily happenings. However, after the Lahore shoot-out, it’s getting old to read about successive blogs fanning more speculations every day. Consequently, the discussion, like the topic, becomes stale and redundant. For evidence, please scroll through past few posts on this blog and you’ll know what I mean. You’ve few choices; you can continue with it and argue that other blogs are doing the same or you can wait till the investigation makes some genuine progress or you can be creative and discuss about issues besides the Lahore attack. Not to pick on you but, putting my two cents in.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

guys…..Please re-read the last 3 para@”Pakistan and India have a history of seeking revenge, tit-for-tat, actions, and as yet the books aren’t balanced for Mumbai . Some Indo-phobes suggest the Lahore attack was payback by an Indian intelligence agency , and many ordinary people find that easy to believe.”- Line 1 is authors opinion. Just opinion: Not Fact and is debatable.- Line 2 is possibly true if i go by the knowledge(or lack of it) Paki bloggers display on this blog.@ “If that was the case why hit the Sri Lankans? Why target a cricket team? People shouldn’t forget that if anyone loves cricket more than a Pakistani or a Sri Lankans it is an Indian.”- Here author implys(to his belief) that these conspiracy theories have weak foundation.@ “The next time the attack would be on Indian cricketers. Would India’s agency, the Research & Analysis Wing, want to risk that? I don’t think so. They haven’t been playing that badly.”- One more reason why author believes that India is not behind attack.So probably author is disapproving the conspiracy theories and not fortifiying it.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

The author has not blamed india directly in this post but has just given some of the allegations mentioned by pakistanis. Look if dogs bark nothing will happen to we indians. Entire world knows how sincere we are, we will not go and interfere in any other countries matters. WE are such kind hearted persons that till now we could not hang a person who attached our Parliament, but still i dont know how pakistan can just point there fingers towards us ;) Any ways a candles light will be more just before it gets extinguished, that is the case with pakistan Government. I am still 24 and i will be very much privileged to see end of Pakistan as a country just like Iraq. Jai Hind

Posted by f1raghu | Report as abusive

Chirkut, you are quite correct. I was indeed picking holes in the notion that India could have been behind it — in my estimation it makes no sense. As I wrote, this was a conspiracy theory being advanced by “rightists, people associated with the security apparatus and retired, but still influential generals”… not by myself. In the first few days after the Lahore attack there was a risk that this explanation was gaining traction in sections of the media, regardless of how far fetched it was. Now, however the investigation appears to be zeroing in on groups like LeJ.

To discuss such conspiracy theories is to give credence to those theories.Who creates such theories? What is the credibility of Pakistan media and army? Have they solved any crime in last 60 years? Zia? Bhutto? Bangladesh? Why be the defender? Why play in the hands of such people? The only things Pakistan media and army have done in the last 60 years is to mislead and fool 160 million Pakistanis. Pakistanis are gullible and media, army thrive.For example: Pakistan Govt and army know who killed Bhutto but results are classified. Asked Scotland Yards to re-investigate with very limited access and again, results are classified. Now Pakistanis are paying UN millions to re-investigate the murder, but again limited access. Pakistani army will continue to re-investigate, classify and cover up till results are suitable to them.Why defend yourself to such people? Never defend yourself until you are accused with credible evidence.

Posted by Global Citizen | Report as abusive

Pakistani army and ISI are responsible. Mumbai investigations are reaching closer to officials in army and ISI. India and FBI has provided detailed contacts and phone calls between Mumbai masterminds and Pakistan army officials.So, this attack on cricketers is a deliberate attempt to create a smoke-screen so that army officials can hide. If you look at the pattern of attack, the way the attackers escaped, the way Pakistani team was kept away, the way the attackers never went after cricketers or referees, just killed 6-8 people randomly, left behind tons of evidence and 12 attackers smoothly went back on bikes, only one theory stands out: Active collaboration and support from Army, ISI to create an excuse to scuttle Mumbai investigation.Results: Just yesterday, Pakistan announced that it won’t be able to make any further headway on Mumbai and will be diverting resources to Lahore incident.

Posted by Global Citizen | Report as abusive

@Global Citizen”Just yesterday, Pakistan announced that it won’t be able to make any further headway on Mumbai and will be diverting resources to Lahore incident.”This is what they always wanted to do. First of all they expelled Shariefs, did not install Chief justice and on top of all did Lahore attack, just to make a beautifull mess of things so that focus on Mumbai is shifted to other problems. Zardari and company tried to kill many birds with one stone.But question is will India let it go like always. Probably yes, Our beloved congress party is busy in elections, who the hell cares for country, apart of some people writing comments on Reuters blog.

Posted by punjabiyaar | Report as abusive

SimonIn the spirit of this discussion, should we discuss possible roles of Iran, Afghanistan, USA, Europe and so on in your next article?Why only India?

Posted by Global Citizen | Report as abusive

@Punjabiyaar,I have always said the future of Pak is in the hands of its citizens. Since India will never start or give them a war they want to unify Pakistani’s and jihadi’s, Pakistan will continue to slide into chaos and destruction. Military cities like Islamabad will always have some stablity because of the military presence there.Pakistani citizens are going find it hard and harder to emigrate to other countries in Europe, U.S., Canada, UK, Australia, etc. No body wants anymore Pakistani’s in their country. No body wants those from terrorist countries in their country. Immigration will be tightened.I also think it was the goal to ban all kinds of entertainment, I think this included cricket. It was also a way for the Jihadi’s to make a style statement and take away which was most dear to the average Pakistani.This should be the last straw, which breaks the camel’s back so, Paks storm the madrassas and destroy them, in anger and protest against the jihadis.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

“The Air Marshall of PAF, Tanveer Mehmood Ahmad has disclosed that the deal envisages initial of 42 such aircraft with a total expenditure of U$ 600 million, while a total of 250 of final aircraft for PAF would cost U$ 3 billion”So this is how they are spending US Aid! Why can’t they ask the Chinese for Aid, helicopters, night vision, guns, shoes and diapers? They have got a habit of demanding and living on US aid. Now the Aid money is going to China, Taliban! Isn’t there any EUA ( End-User-Agreement) for aid?http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details .php?id=142008

Posted by Amy | Report as abusive

@Now the Aid money is going to China, Taliban! Isn’t there any EUA ( End-User-Agreement) for aid?- Posted by Amy–Perhaps US does not want a strict control of the money, knowing the aid money will be diverted for some other purposes. This is huge chunk. Do you think it is beyond US control? I don;t think so. Also let us not foregt that US is not in the habit of regulating the use of money. This is happening now in bailouts too. There is not tight oversight.My question is this: When a country is living off aid, are there not any restrictions that money is not spent on war planes, assuming that war planes are not part of any anti-terrorism operation. If and when war planes are needed, US has enough and better ones.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

@AmyAs an Indian i too am concerned. War planes are seldom required in anti-terrorist operations. Looks like the US aid is again spent on Pak’s Anit india buildup.More and more i am getting convinced that US/Nato need to rethink their strategy quickly or else they will end up destabilizing the whole region, India included!

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

Friends do let friends go home empty hand!”The New York meeting was the inaugural one while the meeting in Abu Dhabi defined work plan, identified a clear road map and areas of cooperation”After 2 visits to China, 2 visits to FoP (Friends of Pakistan), 2 visits to Saudi, and 2 visits to USA, Zardari has secured ZERO dollars aid. All in a span of 6-8 months. In US, he demanded 100 billion dollars aid. In the coming third FoP meeting, he is demanding 40 billions from friends. At home, lives in a house where he recently spent 300 million dollar to improve security. Negotiates with and frees Talibans and jails Journalists, Political Opponents and Lawyers.Is this guy showing symptoms of delusion or has reached the nadir! Is he going to be bundled back to Dubai soon by army?http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/defaul t.asp?page=200938\story_8-3-2009_pg7_1

Posted by Global Citizen | Report as abusive

Like people in USA or India,people in Pakistan ,have enough clarity of vision it’s their agencies,like CIA,RAW or ISI,which playing in the hands of self-centered,power hungry and myopic leaders like Bush,Indian Gujrat’s C.M, Musharaf or now Zardari in Pakistan who indulge in manipulations and fabrications to save their skins. American media now reveals CIA, admitted of destroying 92 tapes of torturing the accused terrorists.There’s dearth of enlightened leaders,endowed with positive traits like, Obama,Nelson Mandela,late Juinnah and Ghandhi. The humanity at large should aim at ridding itself of biases,prejudices and fixations of all types, to create conducive environment for emergence of right quality of leadership.

Posted by M Saleem Chaudhry | Report as abusive

Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, Now after its failure to defame Pakistan, even after killing its own people in the name of 26/11 mumbai incident, india has started to show its crule intentions towards a peace-loving country, india is lossing against Pakistan in every aspect and God is helping Pakistan (see Wagha incidents, when indian soldier got terrified byu Pakistani soldier, Nature has beaten india against Pakistan) Now india is using cheap tricks like attacking the Cricket Players, ruining the paradise on earth by funding SWAT militants, and many more. india should not forget that the world is watching

Posted by Peace | Report as abusive

Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, Now after its failure to defame Pakistan, even after killing its own people in the name of 26/11 mumbai incident, india has started to show its crule intentions towards a peace-loving country, india is lossing against Pakistan in every aspect and God is helping Pakistan (see Wagha incidents, when indian soldier got terrified byu Pakistani soldier, Nature has beaten india against Pakistan) Now india is using cheap tricks like attacking the Cricket Players, ruining the paradise on earth by funding SWAT militants, and many more. india should not forget that the world is watching. india is famous for mass murders of muslims, who do not know the story of Babu Bajrangi, who himslef raped, killed, burnt alive, tear-apart more than 100 muslims with the support of Chief Minister Narendra Modi and indian govt. is doing nothing on this case (see india\’s owned website http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp? filename=Ne031107NarodaPatyaMassacre.asp  )

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Chirkut / Rajeev / Amy“More and more i am getting convinced that US/Nato need to rethink their strategy quickly or else they will end up destabilizing the whole region, India included!”“Perhaps US does not want a strict control of the money, knowing the aid money will be diverted for some other purposes.”“So this is how they are spending US Aid!”—Guys, Wake Up! Understand the motive behind this so-called ‘war on terror’ – iraq is done with – the Russians know what they are speaking of – when they cast aspersions on the sinister intentions of the US regarding them wanting to establish AF as a permanent base, Obama refuses aid to Zardari – a meager $55m. & goes on to give Kyani $5b.! NATO supplies contribute $100’s of millions each year to Taliban, it can go on & on… & they need not ‘re-think’ their strategies , which are going smoothly as they’ve planned – it’s we –India- that’s got to be alert, mature diplomatically & consciously develop a long-term strategy – in our national interest – the global rule still is –Might is Right – as is obvious from such posts, whereas even ‘human rights’ of guantameno / droning are conveniently termed as ‘collateral damage’ – let’s not get a rude shock later – atleast ‘see’ a spade as a spade – it’s an insult to our intelligence to buy this moral policing of the west – they are at our doorsteps – keep them at bay-‘sweetly’

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Anup /Chirkut / Rajeev / Amy“More and more i am getting convinced that US/Nato need to rethink their strategy quickly or else they will end up destabilizing the whole region, India included!”“Perhaps US does not want a strict control of the money, knowing the aid money will be diverted for some other purposes.” “So this is how they are spending US Aid!”– The military aid wish list Pakistan has been begging US for years to release and deliver is not what they are getting. In spite of the US badly needing Pakistani support and its access route to Afghanistan, what they have given Pakistan in military aid is nowhere even close to the India’s arsenal, and for very good reasons.Pakistani military is its own enemy. They cannot resist from attacking India (Mumbai), and in so doing they always manage to alarm the US Generals who cut back in terms of technology and firepower at the last minute as insurance. Do you remember F16s paid for by Pakistan were rusting on the runway in the US for the longest time in the 90′s!Even after all these years, the US itself can not trust Pakistan completely even though diplomatically they call it the “most important non-Nato ally”, we all know in reality that ally is not Pakistan but Israel.Another reason the US arms Pakistan is because they want to raise the ente and persuade Indian Generals to procure far superior war planes and military technology than what they have given Pakistan from the US to promote US commerce, and force India to move away from Russian made hardware. Arms sales to foreign nations is a very important part of US GDP.Bottomline, the next major Indo-Pak war will be started by an unwitting Pakistani General. It will be suicidal for Pakistan (India has declared no first use). And it will be a full exchange that will annihilate Pakistan and all of its US military aid along with it.Mathematical models prove India has a very good probability to survive this exchange. Same unfortunately cannot be said of our brothers in Pakistan.I pray this day never arrives because of some “leaders” drunk on power. But as you know prayers sometimes go unanswered. The US is aware of this scenario and plays its cards very carefully with an unreliable ally like Pakistan.Peace.

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Peace says:”8:58 am GMTWho would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, Now after its failure to defame Pakistan, even after killing its own people in the name of 26/11 mumbai incident, india has started to show its crule intentions towards a peace-loving country, india is lossing against Pakistan in every aspect and God is helping Pakistan (see Wagha incidents, when indian soldier got terrified byu Pakistani soldier, Nature has beaten india against Pakistan) Now india is using cheap tricks like attacking the Cricket Players, ruining the paradise on earth by funding SWAT militants, and many more. india should not forget that the world is watching”———–You thick skulled imbecile! Who is benefitting from the terrorism???? Your own state-sponsored Jihadi’s, that Taliban and Al-Qaeda, those who want to take over Pakistan, they gain to profit.While you bury your head in the sand and live in denial, you make Pakistan look more failed than ever, not taking responsibility for what is happening and not even acknowledging that Talibanization is happening in Pakistan, while 70% of the population suuports extremism and Osama Bin Laden’s ideals.Do not blame India, for the beheadings or destruction of 200 girls schools in SWAT. Just remember the headless bodies is MUSLIM on MUSLIM acts of violence, they are not acts of love!My dear Pak friend, you just reinforce the helplessness, frailty and despair in Pakistan, when you keep baselessly blaming RAW for everything!Please do not give RAW so much credit. RAW does not need to do these things, muslims are busy butchering muslims in Pakistan.That is the bottom line. As you vomit and hurl conspiracy stories, you should be prepared to grow a beard, get rid of your cell phone, wait for the radio ban to restart, lose your T.V. and event the internet. Cameras, paintings and music will be taken away as well. Pakistan is being consumed like a cancer by 8th century Islam.Feel free to “surrender” and give up your way of life.You cannot blame India for Islamacization of your country.This is the doing of your own people, for allowin the Saudi financed Madrassas.You reap what you sow.Who will you blame, if someone in your family gets beheaded by the Taliban? You still going to blame India?You insane, mentally imbalanced fool!

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@Nathuram WaghmareNathuram,All U.S. supercomputer war simulations, using both countries most current weapons in hand, assume that Pakistan starts the war first and all simulations, they ran like 7 or 8 of them, all finally end up in a nuclear exchange, as Pakistan becomes overwhelmed and cannot mount a sustained conventional war for too long.In every war simulation, Pakistan is completely annihilated permanently to the point of becoming an unrecoverable society. Although the damage is heavy to India, it always ends in India being a recoverable society. At the end of the day, any way you cut the cheese, the reality is that Pakistan will be would be wiped off the map, in a war between the two.Given this reality, I don’t know why Pakistani’s keep engaging in blind ambition to rule and defeat India, it won’t ever happen.It is best if Pakistani’s engage in more productive endeavors, like getting rid of terrorism and repairing their society. Pakistani image is so damaged now, nobody wants to be associated with Pakistan, not even China.Pakistan is wearing the hat of shame.

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“The Making of a Mumbai Terrorist”"As we were not getting enough money, we decided to carry out robbery”"Robbing houses is easier than finding a job in ‘Pindi’”http://www.time.com/time/world/a rticle/0,8599,1883334,00.html?iid=tsmodu le

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Global watcher writes: “Given this reality, I don’t know why Pakistani’s keep engaging in blind ambition to rule and defeat India, it won’t ever happen.”When someone is drowning, they suddenly become extremely powerful and violent. The general advice in saving a drowning person is to go from behind and knock him down if you can or catch his hair so that he will not drown you in his desperation to survive.Pakistan is drowning. All the increased violence, immaturity, anger etc are symptoms of the last ditch attempt to survive as breath is going out. In this situation, it is better to either knock them down (by means of an international effort) or catch them by the hair from behind (I do not know what can be done here) so that the people can be dragged back to safety. India is on Pakistan’s choke hold now as it is too close to the drowning victim and even a small victim can drown a big man in desperation. India should first try to wriggle out of this and keep a safe distance. Then everyone should jump in and try to save the victim. If not, the best thing is to allow the victim to go down, in order to save the others.I see postings on life going on normally in Lahore etc.. These are only temporary states and the reality will hit soon. India should do everything it can to get to a safe distance.

Ignorant Global Watcher!You are truly an absolute idoit as you have mentioned 200 girls school were destroyed in SWAT, if you have been informed of even very littled things in Pakistan you would not have said that….. you indians are like donkies who are just do without thinking and without feeling…..total population of SWAT is less than 50,000 comprises of women, men, children both boys and girls, it could not possibly have 200 schools and then think of 200 girls school wow…..You said 70% of Pakistanies support Extremist…no they support truth and justice….they donot support your brutality in Kashmir, they do not support killing of children, raping of girls, this is all evident in books, internet…above all your own soldiers do suicide due to felt of guilty in thier concience…..you can bark like dog, but you cannot hide truth…..do not say anything bad about Pakistan because this country is much more times blessed than yours….atleast we do not have genocide killers like BABU BAJRANGI who is supported by the so-called secular govt. PLEASE STOP BARKING.

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@Peace,A false, forceful, oppressive, controlling, backwards and close-minded form of Islam is slowly demonizing your country and its poor people. Please find justice for your people and put an end to it. Quit pointing the finger in the wrong direction, your finger should be pointed at your Saudi and Taliban friends.If you have not already got a salwar kameez and a beard, put them on. Put all your computers, music, tv’s, videos, cd’s, satellite tv and any other modern convenience away. You may get beaten or beheaded for being unislamic. Your sister and mother will be forced to cover up as well. Do it for them. Stop the Taliban for your sister and mother’s sake, or someone else you love.Make sure you have a full beard and full head of hair, the Taliban beat people for not having either, or worse behead!

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“My country is bleeding to death”: Nadira Naipaul, wife of Noble Laureate VS Naipaulhttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sta ndard/article-23658496-details/My+countr y+is+bleeding+to+death/article.do

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Dear Peace,You are a good candidate for LeT suicide squad. Have you contacted them? You don’t need to be brainwashed if you have a brain. Just the right kindda resourceful guy! All you need is a vest and co-ordinates.Happy Mission!PS: Can you please try not to go eastwards and test the vest yourself, alone before you go anywhere.

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Anup, Nathuram, Amy and Chirkut and all:Sure India should be shrewd in their long term policies. But it is also the overall impact on the region that will spell disaster for the region including India. It is hard to do so with countries like Pakistan whose establishment is dependent on US and Pak citizens are sleeping in ignorance or walking in denial.US and allies achieving success in Afghanistan look remote. Success being elimination of evil Al-Qaida by good US. Evil sure A-Q is, but it is important to challenge the goodness and the intentions of US. Media operates according to the rules made by US. When US says Pakistan is the central front, it becomes central front. If another country says the similar thing, no attention is paid. As Myra said “when the United States says it, then it is different whether we like it or not.” Media, journalists, and all of us concerned will do everyone a great favor by also challenging the intentions of US and allies in the region—just like we challenge the each other’s intentions……After all, it is our region. US intervention in the region during cold war created Al-qaida and Taliban, their intervention now created more terrorists, spread them in Pakistan, destabilized Pakistan. They have not done any promise being fulfilled like“smoking out” OBL (US has become a joke!!!). Yes they pulled out Sadaam Hasan out of a hole—big deal?. Pakistanis will do themselves a great favor by asking critical questions: to their establishment and to US both of which are not letting Pakistan stand on its own feet.Chances of Nuke use by India or Pak are remote. Also, the Mathematical models of survival in case of India-Pak war again are good for academic interests and may just remain theories. To me the most important question (all countries around) is increasing everyday terrorism—happening with US policies, which are not working and appear utterly hopeless. You pick one, US is helping in none of those.I don’t know what Amy’s views are on this.

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Peace,WOULD YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING FOULD LANGUAGE ON THESE BLOGS!!!!No one here is an idiot and no one here is a donkey.If you cannot discuss the topics without using foul language then leave and go somewhere else.

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Interesting!!!

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Peace,If you are a Pakistani patriot, then maybe you can give some advice to the PCC how to get foreign teams to play cricket in Pakistan.From NY TIMES:Most major cricket teams already refuse to risk playing in Pakistan, ever more isolated from the rest of the world.“This happened in the heart of Lahore, the cultural capital of the country,” said Aftab Ahmad Sherpao, a former interior minister and a member of the Pakistan Peoples Party of President Asif Ali Zardari. “None of the attackers were shot or caught, and they were coming to the scene with big bags. That’s absurd.”

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Hey Peace,Read this: Lahore attack ‘mastermind’ escapes police raid in Punjab (TIMES, UK [09/03/2009])The suspected mastermind of last week’s assault on a convoy carrying Sri Lankan cricket team today escaped a police raid on his village home in northern Punjab.Mohammed Aqeel, an activist of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), an al-Qaeda-linked militant group is believed to have organised the terror attack in eastern city of Lahore in which eight people were killed and seven members of the Sri Lankan squad, including a British assistant coach, injured.I hope Hamid Gul is not wasting time moping around with his pathetic conspiracies. He is turning into another Comical Ali.

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Ah I love conspiracy theories from the Pakis. Its the usual CIA,Mossad and the RAW who responsible for everything-terrorism,Al qaida,Taliban,economic depression,food shortage etc etc. And the Pakis are all clean,all of them go to the Mosque ,pray for everyone’s welfare and prosperity and treat their women equally. Hamid Mir,Pervez Hoodbhoy and Asma Jehangir are some popular agents of the CIA. Pakistan thought they were good people until a popular intellectual,Zaid Hamid opened the Pakistani people’s eyes. We Indians are the land of Chankya-Islam’s main enemy( it is interesting to note that he died 800 years before the prophet) .We Indians are just jealous of the Pakis and we deserve to be ruled under the foot of the Muslims once again. But unfortunately for the time being ,the entire wold is conspiring against Pakistan and maligning it’s pluralism…

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I saw & read many comments of my comments, but one thing is common among all idiots…oops…indians is that they do not answer the queries raised in my comments. They give reference of UK, USA and other foreign websites but are very much ignorant of there own country website, like the one i mentioned in my earlier comments…secondly if what you say and refered is correct than it is proven that mumbai incident was the mastermind in india…because all its suspects including police officers were arrested in different part of india…. BE REALISTIC AND BE TRUTHFUL. You have been beatened by PAKISTAN on many occasions and this happened naturally…. all the geographics and history is filled with these reports.

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Peace,Don’t worry! We Indians are skill-less people who cannot even complete a sentence without committing Grammatical and spelling errors and we can’t resist abusing our neighbors with words like ‘idiots’. We Indian abusers will be unveiled soon by the Pakistanis. As you say,the world’s geography is filled with these reports.

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Bulletfish,I don’t think Mr.Gul is a comical Ali. He is a mass murderer with evil in his heart. Those who all voted for Benazir’s party should read this letter from B RamanAdditional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Government of India. http://www.ppp.org.pk/party/issues/p_art icles56.html I quote Mr.Raman, “Benazir’s close friendship with Rajiv Gandhi, her alleged links with R&AW and her alleged betrayal of the Khalistan movement were some of the secret charges used by Ghulam Ishaq Khan, the then President, to dismiss her in August 1990, at the instance of Gen Beg and Lt Gen Gul. “

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Mitchell,Like you say for Benazir,every Pakistani prime minister had got a fiend in the main core of the army and the intelligence. If its Zia-Ul-haq for Z.A.Bhutto and Musharraf for Nawaz Sharif,then its Hamid Gul for Benazir. I don’t know who’s in the store for Yusaf Raza Gilani and Zardari…

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Peace,You are the idiot with his head buried in the sand. The truth has been presented to you many times, but you continue to live in a state of denial. You so-called Pakistan is going down the drain. You remind me of another blogger who was warned, Ali. For all I know you probably are him.I QUOTED YOUR PRECIOUS PAKISTAN NEWSPAPERS TO YOU, BUT YOU SEEM NOT TO CARE.Every comment you have typed has not posed any question. So I cannot see any comment to reply to. What I have presented to you is all evident in real time and not STUPID, PATHETIC crap that you spout and do not support with legitimate proof: Its RAW!! All you can state is that its all in books or on the internet. You sound like a sycophant for Hamid Gul.Here is a defeat report for you:Do you remember what happened in 1971 in East Pakistan? Millions of your own citizens murdered by your own glorious military. I have seen a beautiful photo of a Pakistani Lieutenant General A A K Niazi signing a ‘surrender’ in Dhaka (not a strategic cease fire). He then had to be protected by the Indian soldiers from the new Bangladeshis. He did cry. Over 90,000 Pakistani prisoners of war which was the largest surrender of forces since World War II.(the information in the above paragraph is irrefutable).Pakistan is defeating itself.

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Pakistan has never desired and wished to overrun India.Pakistan is a peace loving country.But in order to put the things in the right perspective,i would like to tell you that It was CIA which created Al Qaeda and Mujahedeen(Talibans) for Afghan Jihad in 1979.Osama bin Ladin was and is still on the pay role of CIA.they both(Osama+CIA) are working closely with RAW to destabilize Pakistan.By the way, may I ask my Indian Counter parts that what 18 x Indian consulates are doing on Pak-Afghan border?are they issuing visa to Afghans???If you have read the history you must be aware of the fact the India supported/trained/ provided weapons and shelter to “muktee bhani” in 1971.Later on India even backed out from its promise,which it made with Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman,that India will cede West Bangal to Bangladesh,and Bangladesh will be a united West+East Bengal).Pakistan only wants peaceful resolution of Kashmir dispute with India,which India is reluctant to do?India don’t want to address the root cause of tension between India and Pakistan.Once you the Indians talk of extremism in Pakistan ,may i draw your attention towards RSS/Shiv Sehna….. so what do you call them?Hindu fascist or extremist?as you the Indians must be well aware that Somjotha express bomb blast was not conducted by LET etc but by your own?Made in India RSS(RAW)”.So i will advise all Indians to stop worrying about Pakistan and save your own country falling into the hands of”HINDU EXTREMISTS”

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Peace: What a name you picked—a typical case. Other similar examples are Lashkar-e-Toiba means “’Army of the Pure” and Taliban means “one seeking religious knowledge”.Indian Muslims: They do not give a damn to your sympathies–your crocodile tears for vested interest or time-pass. They are sick and angry at you people–sitting in Pakistan and pretending to be fellow Muslim brother. They do not want to be attached to you–such is your stage. Sane Muslims accept that India is the best place for them. There is a scope for progress. Hatred taught to you or self-learnt that Indian Muslims have Economic and social disparity etc. is a myth. You can count the # of Muslim riots and other such incidents on your fingers (in many cases culpirits held), but you need days to write about the benifits and advantages they have in Indian system–workable secular democracy, # of prominent Indian names in all walks of life. All those prominent persons if they had decided to go to Pakistan would perhaps be talking crap like you and doing nothing else for the good of Pakistan. Go man get some life. Leave Indian alone.As you would know your former Pres. Musharraf was in India invited at a meeting also talked about RA&W role in India. He said this:“We have to accept the reality. Your R&AW does exactly what the ISI does. My request is let us tackle the RAW and the ISI to stop this confrontation,”A prominent Indian Muslim responded like this. Click below for 1 min video or call it one slapping-left and right.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1 sUdAdl NIIf you have guts, why don’t you ask your Mullahs to issue a fatwa against terrorists. In India, Indian Clerics Conference Issues World’s First Anti-Terror Fatwa.http://www.memri.org/bin/articles. cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP195908Can you do that in Pakistan?—No, because either you do not have balls or you consider terrorist a Muslim, either way impotent and coward.

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Peace: What a name you picked—a typical case. Other similar examples are Lashkar-e-Toiba means “’Army of the Pure” and Taliban means “one seeking religious knowledge”.Indian Muslims: They do not give a damn to your sympathies–your crocodile tears for vested interest or time-pass. They are sick and angry at you people–sitting in Pakistan and pretending to be fellow Muslim brother. They do not want to be attached to you–such is your stage. Sane Muslims accept that India is the best place for them. There is a scope for progress. Hatred taught to you or self-learnt that Indian Muslims have Economic and social disparity etc. is a myth. You can count the # of Muslim riots and other such incidents on your fingers (in many cases culpirits held), but you need days to write about the benifits and advantages they have in Indian system–workable secular democracy, # of prominent Indian names in all walks of life. All those prominent persons if they had decided to go to Pakistan would perhaps be talking crap like you and doing nothing else for the good of Pakistan. Go man get some life. Leave Indian alone.As you would know your former Pres. Musharraf was in India invited at a meeting also talked about RA&W role in India. He said this:“We have to accept the reality. Your R&AW does exactly what the ISI does. My request is let us tackle the RAW and the ISI to stop this confrontation,”A prominent Indian Muslim responded like this. Click below for 1 min video or call it one slapping-left and right.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1 sUdAdl NI

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Peace: If you have guts, why don’t you ask your Mullahs to issue a fatwa against terrorists. In India, Indian Clerics Conference Issues World’s First Anti-Terror Fatwa.http://www.memri.org/bin/articles. cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP195908Can you do that in Pakistan?—No, because either you do not have balls to do so or you consider terrorist a Muslim-either way impotent and coward.

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You are truly an absolute idoit as you have mentioned 200 girls school were destroyed in SWAT, if you have been informed of even very littled things in Pakistan you would not have said that….. you indians are like donkies who are just do without thinking and without feeling…..total population of SWAT is less than 50,000 comprises of women, men, children both boys and girls, it could not possibly have 200 schools and then think of 200 girls school wow…..You said 70% of Pakistanies support Extremist…no they support truth and justice….they donot support your brutality in Kashmir, they do not support killing of children, raping of girls, this is all evident in books, internet…above all your own soldiers do suicide due to felt of guilty in thier concience…..you can bark like dog, but you cannot hide truth…..do not say anything bad about Pakistan because this country is much more times blessed than yours….atleast we do not have genocide killers like BABU BAJRANGI who is supported by the so-called secular govt. PLEASE STOP BARKING.

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Hey Peace,Looks like the nails are going into the coffin of Pakistan sports. Even if Imran Khan went around the world as a goodwill ambassador for Pakistan sports, it would be fruitless.Please add the attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore to complete this list:from BBC South Asia website:Sept 2001: New Zealand pull out of Pakistan tour following US military action in Afghanistan after 9/11 attacks; West Indies and Australia move games to neutral venues.May 2002: New Zealand cancel tour of Pakistan after explosion outside team’s Karachi hotelMarch 2008: Australia postpone tour of Pakistan on security concerns.Oct 2008: West Indies call off November tour of Pakistan on security concerns.Dec 2008: India pull out of 2009 Pakistan tour after government directive.Feb 2009: ICC’s 2009 Champions Trophy tournament in Pakistan is called off after participants express security concerns.

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I remember Mr.Peace-AKA hate- commenting in one post that Pakistan is a better economy than India because there are no job cuts in Pakistan. He is brainwashed to that extent that even Ali commented back that his statements are like ‘works of fiction’. I am surprised that the Indians here respond back to the fanatical statements made by Islamists. Brainwashed people,I had observed,shout at their maximum in a debate and convince themselves that they had won the discussion.

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Pakistan is a peace loving country.But in order to put the things in the right perspective,i would like to tell you that It was CIA which created Al Qaeda and Mujahedeen(Talibans) for Afghan Jihad in 1979.Osama bin Ladin was and is still on the pay role of CIA.they both(Osama+CIA) are working closely with RAW to destabilize Pakistan.By the way, may I ask my Indian Counter parts that what 18 x Indian consulates are doing on Pak-Afghan border?are they issuing visa to Afghans???If you have read the history you must be aware of the fact the India supported/trained/ provided weapons and shelter to “muktee bhani” in 1971.Later on India even backed out from its promise,which it made with Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman,that India will cede West Bangal to Bangladesh,and Bangladesh will be a united West+East Bengal).Pakistan only wants peaceful resolution of Kashmir dispute with India,which India is reluctant to do?India don’t want to address the root cause of tension between India and Pakistan.Once you the Indians talk of extremism in Pakistan ,may i draw your attention towards RSS/Shiv Sehna….. so what do you call them?Hindu fascist or extremist?as you the Indians must be well aware that Somjotha express bomb blast was not conducted by LET etc but by your own?Made in India RSS(RAW)”. Babu Bajrangi, world knows what he did to muslims and he was then and now supported by indian govt. So i will advise all Indians to stop worrying about Pakistan and save your own country falling into the hands of”HINDU EXTREMISTS” search youtube for this term and you’ll see true face of HINDUSTAN(india hypocratic version of fooling world)

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Peace,Please STOP PASTING THE SAME OLD, BASELESS BULLS**T on the different topics, you are as annoying as your so-called peaceful country!Zardari and you would make an excellent partnership as second-hand car salesmen with his nausiating smile and your crap.

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Peace says “India even backed out from its promise,which it made with Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman,that India will cede West Bangal to Bangladesh,and Bangladesh will be a united West+East Bengal)” LOL :-) HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.I wonder how the West Bengalis will react to these statements. LOL.:)I try not to respond to a joker but just can’t resist reading these fanatical jokes. I think this is what they teach in a Paki school these days. ‘Hate your neighbor but call yourself a peaceful moron!’

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RAW is a spineless corrupt agency unfit even to plot against own party members for political reasons let alone on the SL cricket team. I bet only Pakis know the expansion for the RAW-they are so obsessed with it. No other country-including India-gives a damn about the agency. Almost 75% of my Indian friends are unaware that there is an agency called the RAW. Hopeless the pakis are so obsessed with everything Indian. I recall one of my Paki colleague-a very wonderful person at heart-trying to lecture me about the ‘RAW-Chankya fanaticism’. According to him RAW follow the infamous priest’s ‘Arthashastra’ and try to destabilize pakistan and finally he concluded that Chanakya hated Islam. Little did he realize that Chanakya died 1000 years before Mohammed? Or a little research would have sufficed that Chanakya had died without the knowledge of Islam. I just don’t know how these smart humans believe in the utmost garbage fed to them. Everyone must have at least once in our life experienced some annoying propaganda-in my childhood my uncle always tried to convince me that there is no God other than Jesus and that non-believers are uncivilized. But with our growing up we are supposed to be wise and seek the truth,aren’t we? But why does most of the Fundamentalist Hindus,Muslims and of course Christians talk garbage despite the huge advancement in Science?I don’t know why!!!! If Pakistan tolerates India and India tolerates India then that’s peace,not hating each other over Kashmir and East Bengal and finally saying saying we love peace!!

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Peace:Click below to see an Indian Muslim kicks Pervez Musharraf’s butt. This is on recently held meeting in Delhi.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1 sUdAdlNIEnjoy:-)

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Peace: This is PM Sharif, PM during Pervez Musharraf’s time.Salakhon ke peeche–a rare delight.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z IBIxsimWFE&feature=relatedEnjoy:-)

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i think these attacks have been done by the indian raw as many edvidences showed this factindia is trying to break the relation between two countries

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Nabeel,Please get a life!We do not need to read the same baseless, statements repeated by others.What else have you got up your sleeve: MI6, CIA or is it Mossad?

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Mitchel you’re so very right. The problem in both India and Pakistan and the same would apply to a lot of other countries in the region is an extremely low level of literacy and more importantly, general public awareness. We are all responsible for the mess we are in as is always and everywhere the case. We forget to believe that everyone brings its own misfortune. The very book of Quran that Muslims believe in clearly states that you’re responsible for your own fortunes and misfortunes. But public in general in these countries have this tendency to duck the blame of their own actions. In the past they blamed their kings, then they blamed the colonial powers like the British and today they blame either the neighboring countries or their own leaders. They fail to see their own flaws and wrongs as a society. Unless the public in general in India and Pakistan and in other unstable and poverty-stricken area take the matters and responsibility in their own hands and believe that the ‘buck stops here’, I do not see any peace, development and prosperity.

Posted by SMJ | Report as abusive

Its been over 50 years and still blaming each other, picking on each other for stupid things, take actions against terrorist, its time to work together to end it and grow your dam economy. GROW UP, i hope the young generation take a different step.

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TI”picking on each other for stupid things,” “GROW UP,”—If You find the umpteen humans killed in bomb blasts & incidences like the Mumbai attack ‘stupid’then we thank our stars we’re not a ‘GROWN UP’ like you…

Posted by anup | Report as abusive

This attack was conducted by Indian RAW to avenge Mumbai attacks, and to create distance between Pakistan and Sri Lanka, which would be a help to Indian buddies, the Tamil Tigers.

As a West Bengali, i would like to let the so called extreme Pakistani ‘PEACE’ lover know a little bit about Bangladesh.In August 1947, the Partition of India gave birth to two new states named Pakistan and India. The Muslim-majority area became Pakistan while areas with Hindu majority became India. The new nation of Pakistan included two geographically and culturally separate areas in the east and the west of India. The western zone was popularly and officially termed West Pakistan and the eastern zone (now Bangladesh) was termed as East Bengal and later, East Pakistan. It was a fact that West Pakistan dominated politically and exploited the East economically, leading to many grievances.On March 21, 1948, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Governor general of Pakistan, declared that Urdu would be the only official language for both West and East Pakistan. The people of Bangladesh whose main language is Bengali(same as mine), started to protest against this. On 21 February 1952, students of capital city of Dhaka called for a provincial strike. The Pakistani government invoked a curfew to prevent this and the protests were tamed down. The Pakistani police fired on the students despite their peaceful protests and a number of students were killed.Inevitably, the war broke out on 26 March 1971 as army units directed by West Pakistan launched a military operation in Bangladesh against Bengali civilians, students, intelligentsia, and armed personnel who were demanding independence from Pakistan. Members of the East Bengal Regiment, East Pakistan Rifles, East Pakistan police and other Bengali military and paramilitary forces, and armed civilians revolted to form guerrilla groups and forces (generally termed as the Mukti Bahini) to fight against the army of West Pakistan.During the following months, India provided economic, military and diplomatic support to the Mukti Bahini in Bangladesh. On December 3, 1971, (West) Pakistan launched a pre-emptive attack on the western border of India, which marked the commencement of the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. Finally, on December 16, 1971, the allied forces of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini (Bangladesh Liberation Army) decisively defeated the Pakistani forces deployed in the East resulting in the largest surrender, in terms of the number of POWs, since World War II.(Anyone in doubt of these above facts, can check them out from Wikipedia, it doesn’t lie)And so began the tradition of Pakistan attacking India and getting defeated so very shamefully over and over. But they are a gritty nation, so they keep on trying. And the funny thing is, all this time, India has only defended own turf. What the ‘PEACE’ lovers do not realize is that India, being the fourth most powerful nation in the world (military and economy wise) can be very intimidating to any rouge neighbor.

Posted by tridibearth | Report as abusive

Aamir Ali,Do you and Peace work together and drum up such conspiracy theories?Just remember that the attacks happened in BROAD daylight with a number of policemen killed and not ONE attacker captured or killed. YOu are doing yourself, those killed policemen and your country no favours with such statements like: it was RAW, no it was CIA, no it was MI6. Whats next Mossad?I would have thought you would be on this so-called Long March.

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

bulletfishDont blame Amir and Peace.When there is a complete breakdown of govt machinery and when people loose faith in administration. it is then in their helplessness people resort to conspiracy theory and rumors.Amir and Peace are just symptoms of a much wider mess we call Pakistan,alas, next to our door.

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

Irfan—How come every paki has exactly the same comments to make- are you’ll given these hand-outs at the madrassa that you’ll religiously attend?

Posted by anup | Report as abusive

Anup shut you stupid Indian.

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Let us think for a while that may be India was involved in the Lahore attack, for the sake of debate.Then i must say that the Pakistan police and security forces are very pro-India.The attack lasted for 30 to 35 minutes and not much shot was fired at the trigger happy (Indian!?!?) terrorists. This was not the view of an obnoxious Indian but of an attacked Srilankan Cricketer.A Pakistani news channel (GeoTV) showed a CCTV footage where two terrorists were fleeing the shootout spot by a motorbike with their AK47, and a police car went by them. Surprisingly they didn’t do anything, no attempt to shoot or even stopping. They must have been true patriotic Indians to let the ‘Indian’ Terrorists get away like that. The only thing missing was the “MERA BHARAT MAHAN”(My India Is Great) sticker from that Lahore Police car.As for the other terrorists who took different routes of escape, found their way a little too clear. In fact may be they looked a little disappointed to see no one were there to congratulate them on their fine job.For a area (Liberty Chouk) that was supposed to be under presidential security (because of the cricket team passing by) was a little too unsecured for comfort.Who knows, may be India replaced all the guarding police men of Liberty Chouk with the finest from Mumbai, with compliments.But actually it was a sad day for the properly educated and cricket loving people of Pakistan. The bottom line is all the twelve terrorists got away without a scratch, unlike Mumbai where each one of them were killed and even got one arrested, the infamous Ajmal Amir Kasav, the Pakistani who allegedly does not have a country.

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Umair,Do not get too hot headed with anup and PLEASE do not retort with insults like ‘shut you stupid Indian’. I know you can respond with a more tolerant and civilized reply.What anup has stated is partially correct. Not every, but MOST Pakistanis on these blogs (06 Mar – 11 Mar) post the same old rehtorical stories:Indian slumdogs.Pak Army – best in world.Pakistan is peaceful country.Pak: we have nukes.Lahore attacks: its India and RAW.I too have posted repeat responses, but in my defence I supply supportive information.I name Peace and Aamar Ali because these 2 seem to post the same comments. I know that Peace has copy and pasted the same comment on 2-3 blogs with nothing to support their theories.

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bulletfishsometimes Anup has resorted to the worst kind of comments, look below what he states regarding Madrasas. When I was young my father sent me to Madrasa and I learned the Quran in the Mosque, I further went on to earn an undergraduate degree in Business.Moral of the story, Madrasas in pakistan do not preach hatred/terrorism.

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@Moral of the story, Madrasas in pakistan do not preach hatred/terrorism.- Posted by Umair–Umair: Can you say that for each Madrasa in Pakistan? Understandably, in principal Masdrasa can not be a place to preach hatred/fundmentalism. I can put my money that some Madrasas are teaching fundamentalism/hate (not terrorism per se) for a simple reason of “Catch them young” ideology.Don;t you agree withme? please be honest in your reply. A Madrasa in Ismlamabad and FATA or SWAT Will not be the same.http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l= en&art=4071http://www.thefreelibrary.com  /Inside+a+Madrasa:+U.S.+kids+talk+about +their+daily+lives+at+an…-a0154756197

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Bloody Indians taunt and insult Pakistanis as a nation, then complain when they get a reply in the same coin.

@Bloody Indians taunt and insult Pakistanis as a nation, then complain when they get a reply in the same coin.- Posted by Aamir Ali–Meet my dear friend peaceful friend Aamir Ali from peaceful Pakistan! spitting honey!!!

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