Pakistan: Now or Never?

The latest news is that Pakistan has given a clean chit to India and LTTE. Please read the news papers first.The only thing observed so far is that there are strong similarities between this attack and the Mumbai one. In both cases, no one could point a finger at the exact group that is behind the attacks. LeT has the highest probability of being the suspects. But nothing concrete has emerged yet. The operatives executed their tasks in commando style and with precision. They seemed to have had some inside information on the movements of the Sri Lankan team.Looks like this new group wants to cause confusion as much as possible. During the Mumbai attacks, one Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility and then it was later found to be bogus. If Kasab had been killed, it would have been more of a guessing game till now. To date, no one knows what the exact demands of this group are. The Mumbai attack was not in retaliation for something India did. Typically all attacks have been to settle the scores on some issue. Things had become very peaceful prior to the attacks. India was a safe country and the IPL ran with a roaring success. No one even thought of terrorism. Rather, it seemed to have died down. Even Kashmir had a relatively peaceful time. Then suddenly, out of the blues, the Mumbai attacks happened. Though Pakistani connection has been established, it is still not clear who in Pakistan is behind the attacks.While everyone was trying to understand the motive, the Lahore attack happened along pretty much the same lines. People are busy pointing fingers at each other, while no one has any clue as to what the motive is and who is behind this.Another finger print for this group is the new method of attack – no suicide bombing, or car blasts. It involves fully trained men who operate like a military commando unit.They are making a lot of gains by turning the blind men swing their swords at each other, while not claiming anything as a reason for their attacks.Pakistan should work with India. The Mumbai and Lahore attacks must be looked at using the same magnifying glass and the culprits traced. Even if they are inside Pakistan, they must be caught and brought to justice. They should be handed over to India. This has two advantages – the criminals will be out of Pakistan and in India they will have to face the justice for the crimes that they have committed. They will be executed and no one will see them again. This joint effort can help both countries build trust towards each other and help each other. This war on terrorism has to be done together by all affected countries. There is no point fighting each other. It only strengthens the common enemy.Cricket will return to the sub-continent only if India, Pakistan and Bangladesh act together and wipe out the menace. No one gains but the jihadis if the countries do not realize this.

To the author…Name one tit for tat response that India has done – ever – in response to a terrorist incident. Ever. You should stop making statements like this.I do remember India shooting down a Pak Navy plane after it intruded into Indian territory. Well, it could be a tit for tat response to what happened in Kargil when our planes were shot down when they inadvertently moved into their territory.Then there was the call off of talks and things like that. But could you mention one credible report anywhere which points to India actually responding to terrorist incidents in the same language.What you will see the RAW does is a lot similar to what the MI5 and CIA does. That would imply you are calling them and indirectly the Britishers and Americans terrorists. Its acceptable. But then you need to accept that fact.So, stop writing blogs if you don’t expect to be questioned.

Dear Sear, Mauryan, Kusum and Jacob — I had not meant to to give credence to the allegations of Indian involvement, but rather to say there were these allegations, say where they were coming from, and give some explanation of how the allegations were being justified. Indeed the cases made for the other suspects — LET, LeJ (al Qaeda) are far more compelling. Remember these are conspiracy theories in Pakistan and meant to give insight into the way people are thinking. As for the government denials of any Indian involvement, we’re still waiting for an outright denial, as all we’ve heard so far is from Wednesday, when the government’s main spokesperson said the government had not received any information of Indian involvement — effectively disowning the shipping minister’s accusation after he said there was evidence. Likewise we’re still waiting for the definitive denial of LTTE involvement, as the LTTE spokesman who did deny this hasn’t been verified as reliable.

soon LTTE, LeT, LeJ, taliban, al-queda and paksiatn will declare India as a terrorist state .:Dand international community should stop maligning pakistan by calling it a terrorist state. a state in denial is a more apt name.

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You are right.Pakistan has not matured as a Nation State.Born of peculiar ideology and short of ideological base to run the country, it has been in existence, blaming India and western powers.It gets finanacial aid from west showing China card,and moral support and still more cash from Saudi and and other Islamist countries. It still has not decided what form of Govt. it wants, dictatoship ot democracy, Fundamentalism of yore or modernity;support Iran,N.Korea, China and at the same time get aid from USA.Frienly with warlords in Afganistan, friendly to west;promote Osama, provide him sanctuary,at the same time fight against terror.Commit genocide in in East Pakistan, talk of human rights;spend billions on Nuclear warheads, no money to meet external debts.It is a failed state.

“The next time the attack would be on Indian cricketers. Would India’s agency, the Research & Analysis Wing, want to risk that? I don’t think so. They haven’t been playing that badly.”—Almost all Reuters journalists are desperately trying to sell this point on this blog, but the joke is that even hard-core pakistani’s are also not buying it – tch – but their glee has turned into despair – no wonder someone rightly stated – journalists are megalomaniacs…

Guys check this out – http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ KC05Df01.htmlPakistan's militants ready for moreBy Syed Saleem ShahzadKARACHI – Tuesday’s attack in the Pakistani city of Lahore on a convoy carrying Sri Lankan cricketers was carried out by disgruntled Punjabi militants seeking to extract concessions from the government, Asia Times Online has learned.

@Myra,I am surprise that this topic is being entertained.Do you personally believe that the cricket attack was staged in Pakistan or India? You must choose one or the other.Please answer directly and honestly.Thanks.

For almost 50 years, the Western powers had dealt with Pakistan mostly due to cold war reasons. India was way down poor, socialistic, pro-Soviet etc.. The perspective of India was not positive in the Western world until the late nineties. India did not even figure in most of the news and discussions in that world. If you look at major news papers in UK like the Guardian, this perspective will be apparent at first look.They have somehow developed this belief that Pakistan is more reliable for their purposes and India a mere irritant. So media and analysts have been biased in their views as a result. Only for the past decade there has been a tremendous thaw in India-US relations and that has opened up a different view of India. India’s issues are understood more. The US admits that India’s nuclear weapons and missiles are to protect itself from China. Until recently the West had equated India with Pakistan in a Hindu versus Muslim angle and did not look at other factors. India and Pakistan were called as the nuclear rivals and not China and India. And this belief has spread to the Pakistanis as well. They see themselves as superior to India as a result, because the West has become their masters.The Kashmir problem will need to be looked at again to change the perspectives. And that will bring in a better understanding of terrorism in the region. Until that happens, one can expect some kind of bias that does not look at India from a positive side. Bias happens due to emotion and humans are emotional. They may act cool, neutral, calm etc. But when it comes to them, they are not even aware that they have been taken over by it. It includes everyone including the author of this article and yours truly.We have to let things happen. This means, it will take time for bias to change towards neutrality. Until then things will look ignorant to one side and perfect for the other. This article shows that India is still not looked at with clear eyes in regards to being a victim of out right terrorism.

@Simon,General Hamid Gul is one of the master architects of the terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan. In fact, he is listed as one of U.S.’s most wanted terrorists. This is exactly the doublespeaking and lying Pakistanis are so good at. They claim to be victims of terrorism, yet protect men like Hamid Gul. Don’t these people realize that we have the internet, it is 2009, we can hear and see everything in Pakistani almost in real time.While Pakistan professes to be fighting terror and be a victim of it, it lets criminals like Hamid Gul walk free in Pakistan.Rt. Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul has the blood of thousands of Afghans, Paks and thousands of Kashamiri Hindus on his hands. He is a pro-Islamacist expansionist and creates the truth in his own image and ignores the real truth altogether.If Pakistan protects such an insidious and notorious lying, conspiracy toting man, why should Pakistan be given any lee-way, protection, aid, or even a sympathetic ear? It is extremely humours that the citizens of Pakistan view this conniving cloak and dagger specialist as a hero, when he belongs in jail.Either the people of Pakistan are extremely deluded and lied to, or they back and morally support what he stands for. It is no wonder then, that the citizens of Pakistan suffer from terrorism, they are in fact tacitly complicit and quietly sympathize with it.This is the real reason why Pakistan is destined to fail and come apart. Religion is not enough to keep it together, neither is the military.Pakistan has no credibility whatso ever.

guys…..Please re-read the last 3 para@”Pakistan and India have a history of seeking revenge, tit-for-tat, actions, and as yet the books aren’t balanced for Mumbai . Some Indo-phobes suggest the Lahore attack was payback by an Indian intelligence agency , and many ordinary people find that easy to believe.”- Line 1 is authors opinion. Just opinion: Not Fact and is debatable.- Line 2 is possibly true if i go by the knowledge(or lack of it) Paki bloggers display on this blog.@ “If that was the case why hit the Sri Lankans? Why target a cricket team? People shouldn’t forget that if anyone loves cricket more than a Pakistani or a Sri Lankans it is an Indian.”- Here author implys(to his belief) that these conspiracy theories have weak foundation.@ “The next time the attack would be on Indian cricketers. Would India’s agency, the Research & Analysis Wing, want to risk that? I don’t think so. They haven’t been playing that badly.”- One more reason why author believes that India is not behind attack.So probably author is disapproving the conspiracy theories and not fortifiying it.

Chirkut, you are quite correct. I was indeed picking holes in the notion that India could have been behind it — in my estimation it makes no sense. As I wrote, this was a conspiracy theory being advanced by “rightists, people associated with the security apparatus and retired, but still influential generals”… not by myself. In the first few days after the Lahore attack there was a risk that this explanation was gaining traction in sections of the media, regardless of how far fetched it was. Now, however the investigation appears to be zeroing in on groups like LeJ.

Pakistani army and ISI are responsible. Mumbai investigations are reaching closer to officials in army and ISI. India and FBI has provided detailed contacts and phone calls between Mumbai masterminds and Pakistan army officials.So, this attack on cricketers is a deliberate attempt to create a smoke-screen so that army officials can hide. If you look at the pattern of attack, the way the attackers escaped, the way Pakistani team was kept away, the way the attackers never went after cricketers or referees, just killed 6-8 people randomly, left behind tons of evidence and 12 attackers smoothly went back on bikes, only one theory stands out: Active collaboration and support from Army, ISI to create an excuse to scuttle Mumbai investigation.Results: Just yesterday, Pakistan announced that it won’t be able to make any further headway on Mumbai and will be diverting resources to Lahore incident.

SimonIn the spirit of this discussion, should we discuss possible roles of Iran, Afghanistan, USA, Europe and so on in your next article?Why only India?

“The Air Marshall of PAF, Tanveer Mehmood Ahmad has disclosed that the deal envisages initial of 42 such aircraft with a total expenditure of U$ 600 million, while a total of 250 of final aircraft for PAF would cost U$ 3 billion”So this is how they are spending US Aid! Why can’t they ask the Chinese for Aid, helicopters, night vision, guns, shoes and diapers? They have got a habit of demanding and living on US aid. Now the Aid money is going to China, Taliban! Isn’t there any EUA ( End-User-Agreement) for aid?http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details .php?id=142008

@AmyAs an Indian i too am concerned. War planes are seldom required in anti-terrorist operations. Looks like the US aid is again spent on Pak’s Anit india buildup.More and more i am getting convinced that US/Nato need to rethink their strategy quickly or else they will end up destabilizing the whole region, India included!

Like people in USA or India,people in Pakistan ,have enough clarity of vision it’s their agencies,like CIA,RAW or ISI,which playing in the hands of self-centered,power hungry and myopic leaders like Bush,Indian Gujrat’s C.M, Musharaf or now Zardari in Pakistan who indulge in manipulations and fabrications to save their skins. American media now reveals CIA, admitted of destroying 92 tapes of torturing the accused terrorists.There’s dearth of enlightened leaders,endowed with positive traits like, Obama,Nelson Mandela,late Juinnah and Ghandhi. The humanity at large should aim at ridding itself of biases,prejudices and fixations of all types, to create conducive environment for emergence of right quality of leadership.

Who would be gaining out of this incident……. I think Pakistan should start complete wipe-out program for RA&W elements in Pakistan, Now after its failure to defame Pakistan, even after killing its own people in the name of 26/11 mumbai incident, india has started to show its crule intentions towards a peace-loving country, india is lossing against Pakistan in every aspect and God is helping Pakistan (see Wagha incidents, when indian soldier got terrified byu Pakistani soldier, Nature has beaten india against Pakistan) Now india is using cheap tricks like attacking the Cricket Players, ruining the paradise on earth by funding SWAT militants, and many more. india should not forget that the world is watching. india is famous for mass murders of muslims, who do not know the story of Babu Bajrangi, who himslef raped, killed, burnt alive, tear-apart more than 100 muslims with the support of Chief Minister Narendra Modi and indian govt. is doing nothing on this case (see india\’s owned website http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp? filename=Ne031107NarodaPatyaMassacre.asp  )

Anup /Chirkut / Rajeev / Amy“More and more i am getting convinced that US/Nato need to rethink their strategy quickly or else they will end up destabilizing the whole region, India included!”“Perhaps US does not want a strict control of the money, knowing the aid money will be diverted for some other purposes.” “So this is how they are spending US Aid!”– The military aid wish list Pakistan has been begging US for years to release and deliver is not what they are getting. In spite of the US badly needing Pakistani support and its access route to Afghanistan, what they have given Pakistan in military aid is nowhere even close to the India’s arsenal, and for very good reasons.Pakistani military is its own enemy. They cannot resist from attacking India (Mumbai), and in so doing they always manage to alarm the US Generals who cut back in terms of technology and firepower at the last minute as insurance. Do you remember F16s paid for by Pakistan were rusting on the runway in the US for the longest time in the 90′s!Even after all these years, the US itself can not trust Pakistan completely even though diplomatically they call it the “most important non-Nato ally”, we all know in reality that ally is not Pakistan but Israel.Another reason the US arms Pakistan is because they want to raise the ente and persuade Indian Generals to procure far superior war planes and military technology than what they have given Pakistan from the US to promote US commerce, and force India to move away from Russian made hardware. Arms sales to foreign nations is a very important part of US GDP.Bottomline, the next major Indo-Pak war will be started by an unwitting Pakistani General. It will be suicidal for Pakistan (India has declared no first use). And it will be a full exchange that will annihilate Pakistan and all of its US military aid along with it.Mathematical models prove India has a very good probability to survive this exchange. Same unfortunately cannot be said of our brothers in Pakistan.I pray this day never arrives because of some “leaders” drunk on power. But as you know prayers sometimes go unanswered. The US is aware of this scenario and plays its cards very carefully with an unreliable ally like Pakistan.Peace.

@Nathuram WaghmareNathuram,All U.S. supercomputer war simulations, using both countries most current weapons in hand, assume that Pakistan starts the war first and all simulations, they ran like 7 or 8 of them, all finally end up in a nuclear exchange, as Pakistan becomes overwhelmed and cannot mount a sustained conventional war for too long.In every war simulation, Pakistan is completely annihilated permanently to the point of becoming an unrecoverable society. Although the damage is heavy to India, it always ends in India being a recoverable society. At the end of the day, any way you cut the cheese, the reality is that Pakistan will be would be wiped off the map, in a war between the two.Given this reality, I don’t know why Pakistani’s keep engaging in blind ambition to rule and defeat India, it won’t ever happen.It is best if Pakistani’s engage in more productive endeavors, like getting rid of terrorism and repairing their society. Pakistani image is so damaged now, nobody wants to be associated with Pakistan, not even China.Pakistan is wearing the hat of shame.

Global watcher writes: “Given this reality, I don’t know why Pakistani’s keep engaging in blind ambition to rule and defeat India, it won’t ever happen.”When someone is drowning, they suddenly become extremely powerful and violent. The general advice in saving a drowning person is to go from behind and knock him down if you can or catch his hair so that he will not drown you in his desperation to survive.Pakistan is drowning. All the increased violence, immaturity, anger etc are symptoms of the last ditch attempt to survive as breath is going out. In this situation, it is better to either knock them down (by means of an international effort) or catch them by the hair from behind (I do not know what can be done here) so that the people can be dragged back to safety. India is on Pakistan’s choke hold now as it is too close to the drowning victim and even a small victim can drown a big man in desperation. India should first try to wriggle out of this and keep a safe distance. Then everyone should jump in and try to save the victim. If not, the best thing is to allow the victim to go down, in order to save the others.I see postings on life going on normally in Lahore etc.. These are only temporary states and the reality will hit soon. India should do everything it can to get to a safe distance.

@Peace,A false, forceful, oppressive, controlling, backwards and close-minded form of Islam is slowly demonizing your country and its poor people. Please find justice for your people and put an end to it. Quit pointing the finger in the wrong direction, your finger should be pointed at your Saudi and Taliban friends.If you have not already got a salwar kameez and a beard, put them on. Put all your computers, music, tv’s, videos, cd’s, satellite tv and any other modern convenience away. You may get beaten or beheaded for being unislamic. Your sister and mother will be forced to cover up as well. Do it for them. Stop the Taliban for your sister and mother’s sake, or someone else you love.Make sure you have a full beard and full head of hair, the Taliban beat people for not having either, or worse behead!

Dear Peace,You are a good candidate for LeT suicide squad. Have you contacted them? You don’t need to be brainwashed if you have a brain. Just the right kindda resourceful guy! All you need is a vest and co-ordinates.Happy Mission!PS: Can you please try not to go eastwards and test the vest yourself, alone before you go anywhere.

Peace,WOULD YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING FOULD LANGUAGE ON THESE BLOGS!!!!No one here is an idiot and no one here is a donkey.If you cannot discuss the topics without using foul language then leave and go somewhere else.