After cricket, an attack on a revered Sufi shrine in Pakistan

March 9, 2009

The bombing of the mausoleum of a renowned Pashto mystic poet outside the Pakistani city of Peshawar has darkened the mood further in a nation already numbed by the attack on cricket, its favourite sport, when the Sri Lankan team were targeted in Lahore.

Taliban militants are suspected of being behind the attack on the shrine of Abdul Rehman at the foot of the Khyber pass, where for centuries musicians and poets have gathered in honour of the 17th century messenger of peace and love.

The militants were angry that women had been visiting the shrine of the Rehman Baba as he was popularly known and so they planted explosives around the pillars of the tomb, to pull down the mausoleum in an echo of the Taliban bombing of the giant Buddha statues in Bamiyan in central Afghanistan back in 2001. The structure was damaged and the grave blown up, Dawn reported.

“Is there any limit to this insanity ?’ asks Owais Mughal in a post on All Things Pakistan.  The militants had burnt girls schools to the ground in northwest Pakistan, forced traffic to drive on the right hand side instead of left in the Malakand region, dug up graves of a minority sect and even hung the bodies in the public square in Swat region, he says. And now they were blowing up the resting place of the dead.

“Believe it or not; probably like some of our readers, I am now reluctant to open a newspaper to avoid reading any bad news about Pakistan. It hurts. It simply hurts,” he wrote.

William Dalrymple writing in The Sunday Observer said  the attack was a reminder that Wahhabi radicals were determined to destroy a gentler, kinder Islam that had dominated South Asia for centuries.

He quotes Rehman Baba:”I am a lover, and I deal in love. Sow flowers, So your surroundings become a garden Don’t sow thorns; for they will prick your feet. We are all one body,  Whoever tortures another, wounds himself.”

Rehman Baba believed passionately in the importance of music, poetry and dancing as a path for reaching God, as a way of opening the gates of Paradise, Dalrymple says. But this use of poetry and music in ritual is one of the many aspects of Sufi practice that has attracted the wrath of the Islamists. And this differing understanding  of Islam is really at the heart of the conflict that is raging in Pakistan, he says.

Wahhabi fundamentalism has advanced so quickly in Pakistan that madrasas have taught an entire generation to abhor the region’s gentle, syncretic Sufi Islam and to embrace instead an imported form of Saudi Wahhabism.

“The trend towards anti-culture extremism, however, is seen across the Islamic world, much aided in the 1990s by Saudi investment in the spread of the Wahhabi faith,” writes Pakistan’s The Daily Times.  With the latest attack, miltants had put the Pakistan state on notice about their intent against Pakistani culture, the paper said. It worried that the Taliban were also likely to attack the Sindhis whose mysticism-based culture is still intact in the interior of the province.

Sufism is anathema to the Taliban and they have long sought to uproot it. When the Taliban seized power in neighbouring Afghanistan in 1996, they locked Sufi shrines. In Pakistan’s Mohmand tribal region, the local Taliban captured the shrine of a revered freedom movement hero, Haji Sahib of Turangzai, and turned it into their headquarters as this BBC story says.

So are parts of Pakistan increasingly looking like  a clone of Taliban Afghanistan ?

[Reuters picture of Abdur Rehman's mausoleum near Peshawar and Taliban militants standing guard in Swat]

Comments

My Chinese friend says “there is no free lunch”.

Free Saudi oil and aid come with Deobandi, Wahabibism.

Free US aid come with drones and base sell-outs

Free Chinese support comes with cronism.

Pakistan is too expensive for friends, allies and Pakistanis!

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Unless the Terrorists in the guise of Islamists are ostrasised by Devout mederate Muslims, it ill bodes for Islamic countries in general and Islam in particular.Time they woke up and lead a movement like Christians revolted against Papacy.

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I think one has to fight fire with fire. Militant Islam has to be countered by another militant movement made of liberals. There is no other option that seems viable. It should go like the civil war in the US where those who believed in slavery were defeated and slavery itself was abolished. Islam faces this reality now. It is time the moderates took to arms to contain the militants who are destroying civilizations. This has to come from within Muslim countries. Nazism and communism have been defeated. It is time the militant Islam is defeated as well.

There are people like Irshad Manji who should initiate this movement amongst the moderates who question the real meaning of Islam and see the Arabic cultural influence as a separate entity from Islam. Irshad says that tribal customs of the Arabs have been mixed in with Divine revelations and have been thrust on to the people who were swept by the wave of invasions in the past. Taliban and other orthodox movements have become fixated with the Arab tribal aspects rather than the spiritual aspects of Islam. It would be good if the mature Muslims unite and form an international alliance that goes after these militant sects and wins over them. Then the Muslim world as well as the rest of the world will survive.

 

If Pakistanis need a future, first thing they need to do is stop dreaming about Kashmir.

Depravity follows delusions!
Destruction follows depravity!

Look .. how far Pakistanis have progressed in last 60 years.

We all know what Talibans did to Afghanistan and what US did to them. Talibans couldn’t find a safe enough cave in Afghanistan.

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My feeling is Pakistanis never fought hard for freedom as Indians did.

So freedom doesn’t value much to Pakistanis.

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Global citizen,

We all know that Pakistan has wasted all its time on meaningless efforts.

But the issue is the spread of orthodox and militant Islam that is gaining strength. With power crazy politicians and military leaders in Pakistan, this type of Islam has turned into a barbaric institution, it is spreading fast and becoming a threat to the world.

It is important for a renaissance in the Islamic world to begin. If it has to use militancy to fight the radical Islamists, then it has to be done.

Some of the arab tribal tenets of Islam have hijacked the religion and have been used to subjugate others and deny rights to humans. Sufi Islam ignored all the tribal aspects and spread by free spirit. Sufi saints never looked at themselves as confined to any systems of edicts. They preached unconditional love. Those who follow Sufi Islam shun violence. They love music and their devotion resembles the bhakti movement in India.

The time has come for Muslims to fight their own brothers who have taken to a brand of Islam which negates everything that is spiritual.

 

Just when Pakistan needs a strong government it has the weakest, most ineffective one possible. A government which came about because people said the Pakistanis want democracy is today bartering away this democracy and its soul to extremists and justifying it by calling them moderates. As a columnist recently wrote, Pakistan has a death wish. The rest of the world better be prepared if that wish is granted.

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David writes: “My feeling is Pakistanis never fought hard for freedom as Indians did”

Even in India there was a wide variation in terms of support for the freedom movement. And where Pakistan is today, there was also a sizable Sikh, and Hindu population before partition. In the South, there was a Dravidastan movement. The founders of this movement loathed Gandhi and were trying to woo Jinnah for his support. On Aug 15th, the Dravidian parties observed mourning. They considered the “Aryan” Hindus to be worse than the British. Freedom movement was not uniform. In the North East, there was no such movement. Many lived with the belief that the British were born to rule and were happy to go to work and mind their own business.

World War II helped India’s independence indirectly. Britain could not manage its colonies anymore and there was a strong US pressure on Britain. All these factors contributed to the independence.

The Muslim League that fought for Pakistan did not gain much support when voting was done. So Jinnah and his men decided to launch a “Direct action” of violence that led to mayhem and the birth of Pakistan. So they fought for their nation by inciting violence and hatred, something which is burning them even today.

 

Well, it looks like the 8th century is upon us, one more time again, a barbaric wahhabi Islam is spreading like cancer.

You do not need to fight it any where. Do not engage, in fact do not even communicate, leave their lands.

BUT..any countries which want wahhabism, give them the 8th century, in fact, help them achieve it by:

-no more immigration
-no more technology, place trade embargo
-no business, or money of any kind
-do not buy their oil
-no diplomatic ties
-no medicine
-no vehicles
-no airplane fuel or parts
-no food
-deprive them of everything including electricity, running water
-no means to communicate in anyway, no t.v., internet, movies, music
-immediate and permanent travel ban

Within a few years, those societies will regress to the 8th century, they will be 1200 years behind the rest of us, let them have what they want

“You will one day be judged not by what you can destroy, but what you can harness and create”….

Terrorism will also dissappear, as there will be little or no means to travel.

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@On Aug 15th, the Dravidian parties observed mourning. They considered the “Aryan” Hindus to be worse than the British. Freedom movement was not uniform. In the North East, there was no such movement. Many lived with the belief that the British were born to rule and were happy to go to work and mind their own business.”
- Posted by mauryan

-I hope you know that Aryans invasion of India theory is a myth and created by British. I could not tell from the above mentioned by you.

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Rajeev writes: “I hope you know that Aryans invasion of India theory is a myth and created by British. I could not tell from the above mentioned by you.”

The Aryan myth theory is still under dispute. However, in the South, they are using it as a political propaganda tool. My reference on Dravidastan comes from MJ Akbar’s wonderful book titled, “India, the Siege within.” The Dravidian parties hate the Hindu caste system and blame the Hindus for enslaving the lower castes (read as vote banks). So they resorted to a Nazi like propaganda in the 1960s that negated everything that was Hindu, Brahmin etc. They said the Indian independence movement was run by the Brahmins for taking control after the British left. They believe that Gandhi was not responsible for the independence and that the conditions after the WW II led to UK leaving India. So they aligned themselves with everything that was anti-Hindu. This meant, aligning with the Muslims and Christians. These feelings haven’t disappeared there. They still run their political campaigns on anti-Brahmin, anti-Hindu platforms. The BJP has not been very successful in the south as it is in the north.

Anyway, I just made references that many Indians are not familiar with, especially those in the North.

There are a variety of groups in the sub-continent which rely on the “my enemy’s enemy is my friend,” concept. That is how they fell to the British and now are still falling for the Western powers. Look at Pakistan-SL alliance, or Nepal-China alliance. Naipaul’s “India, a million mutinies now,” is another wonderful book that touches on these aspects.

 

You guys have seen it, according to this post, nothing is sacred to the Islamic extremists.

In the not so distant future, the Pakistani moderates are going to be religiously raped by these extremists into submission and forced to convert the modern islam into an extremist one.

The question will not be any more about India, cricket, terrorism, it will be about personal safety and well-being in Pakistan. I think you will begin to see the type of violence in Iraq all over Pakistan’s urban centres.

In mass number, headless bodies, bullet riddled bodies, open air daylight killings by mobs. The gates of hell are going to re-open in the streets of Pakistan.

The devil is coming to collect from Pakistan. It is just a matter of time. Muslim on muslim violence will spiral out of control, as the Wahhabis try to take control of the entire Pakistan. The military will be unable to stop it, as rogue elements in the Paki military are aiding and abetting the extremists in Pakistan.

The world needs to brace itself, for the sake of its own security and remove those nukes somehow, before the extemists take hold of Pakistan.

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Coming Things…

‘Zardari, Gilani asked Holbrooke to increase drone attacks’

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.a sp?id=166225

US Missile Attacks On Pakistan To “Dramatically Increase”: Report

http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-missile-a ttacks-on-pakistan-to-dramatically-incre ase-report.html

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Mauryan

— The Periyar atheism brand of anti-brahmanism is restricted to T.N. only & not the ‘south’ as erroneously claimed by you- & what you term as ‘anti-hindu’ is anti-vaishnavism, get your facts right. Interestingly you’ve stated – “So they aligned themselves with everything that was anti-Hindu. This meant, aligning with the Muslims and Christians.” – 80% India is ‘hindu’(tamilians incl.)anyways this is not the platform to debate or discuss internal issues.

I find it amusing when people use terms as ‘moderate’, ‘radical’, ‘sufi’ Islam, which unlike other religions is an unambiguous & clearly defined religion, & the acts of the so called ‘radicals’ are absolutely in accordance with their religious doctrine – the Muslims must be having a hearty laugh when sanctimonious fools try to preach them Islam. why not let their society decide whether they want ‘Sharia’ or whatever without any moral preachings from outsiders,as long as they’re not enforcing it on others…
for your kind info. Sufism is a 4000yrs old advanced religion.

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Mauryan

—The Dravidastan movement was intelligently nipped in the bud by the liberal C. Rajagopalachari,founder of the Swatantra party…

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@The Aryan myth theory is still under dispute. However, in the South, they are using it as a political propaganda tool.
-posted by Mauryan
-The way this theory has been created and misused, as you also agree, will never let the dispute resolve. In my limited knowledge from independent sources, the tilt towards negating Aryan invasion is pretty strong, based upon hostorical research of both Indians and Westerners. Opinions of Writers/journalists are another issue.

I am not well versed with subtelties of S. India to comment more.

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Anup,

If we get into the details, everything can be nailed like a court case. This is a discussion forum, so one doesn’t have to be that technically accurate. I am only providing known information.

The Periyar Dravdian movement did not get confined to Vaishnavism. TN has many sects – Shaivism, Vaishnavism and so on. The Dravidian parties targeted all Hindu sects. On temple walls they wrote graffiti mocking brahmin dominance, the existence of God etc. They never dared to do so against the Muslims or Christians. They knew what would happen to them if they did. Unless you though Vaishnavism is Hinduism. Before calling me an ignorant fool, please look at yourself as well.

Periyar’s party had a vision of a Dravidastan that covered the four states of TN, Kerala, Karnataka, AP and Orissa. But his movement did not gain strength beyond the borders of TN. All movements take time. The Congress was formed almost 90 years before independence could be achieved.

Rajagopalachari lost all his political power in TN by the 1960s. The Dravidian parties gained power in 1967 and things have never turned back after that. I don’t understand what you mean by he nipped the movement in the bud. Please provide some information. I am willing to know every new information.

Rajaji (as he was called) was a tootheless icon as far as TN politics was concerned. He had a national stature and was a Brahmin. So the Dravidian parties managed to succeed in proving to everyone that the Congress party was full of power crazy Brahmins like Nehru, Rajaji etc who used their caste status to take over power after the British left.

Shekih Abdullah, the lion of Kashmir was housed in Kodaikanal in TN for more than a decade when he turned against Nehru’s wishes. Until 1962 when the Chinese mauled the Indian military, there was a strong secessionist sentiment in TN. Then they mellowed down their tone and asked for state autonomy within the Indian union (separate flags, anthem, more power to manage etc). This got replaced when the SL conflict erupted in 1983.

These sentiments do not die down. Time and again someone props them up to increase their power hold.

Sufi religion is 4000 years old? Where did you pull that from? 4000 years ago, there was not even Zoarashtrianism. Sufi saints were still Muslims, but they followed a different path of direct interaction with the Divine. They evolved in the Persian empire and spread Islam in their own ways. Most of Pakistan converted to Islam by means of Sufi Islam.

 

@Periyar’s party had a vision of a Dravidastan that covered the four states of TN, Kerala, Karnataka, AP and Orissa. But his movement did not gain strength beyond the borders of TN. All movements take time. The Congress was formed almost 90 years before independence could be achieved.
Rajagopalachari lost all his political power in TN by the 1960s. The Dravidian parties gained power in 1967 and things have never turned back after that. I don’t understand what you mean by he nipped the movement in the bud. Please provide some information. I am willing to know every new information.
-posted by mauryan

–This link seems has some info (u will know probably).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravida_Nad u
The reorganization of the Indian states along linguistic lines through the States Reorganisation Act of 1956 weakend the separatist movement.[10] In June-July 1956, the founder of Kazhagam, E. V. Ramaswamy Naicker, declared that he had given up the goal of Dravidistan.[11]

However, by this time, DMK had taken over from DK as the main bearer of the separatist theme.[41] Unlike Khalistan and other separatist movements in Republic of India, DMK never considered violence as a serious option to achieve a separate Dravidistan.[14]

Quote “DMK’s slogan of Dravidistan found no support in any state of India other than Tamil Nadu.[6][7] The non-Tamil Dravidian speakers perceived the ambitions of the Tamil politicians as hegemonic, ultimately leading to the failure of the Dravidistan concept.[42] Even in Tamil Nadu, the common people did not seriously support the idea of a separate Dravidian state.[8] C. Rajagopalachari, the former Chief Minister of Madras State, stated that the DMK plea for Dravidistan should not be taken seriously.”unquote

After DMK decided to relinquish its demand for Dravida Nadu, it devoted more attention to the language issue (anti-Hindi agitations), and the 1962 election figures were almost exactly reversed in the subsequent 1967 elections.[14] In 1962, the Congress had won the majority of seats, while DMK managed to win only 50 seats. In 1967, DMK won a clear majority of 138 seats, while Congress won only 50 seats. DMK came to power with Annadurai as the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu.

Unquote”In 1980s, a minor militant organizaton called Tamil Nadu Liberation Army revived the demand for Dravida Nadu, when the Indian Peacekeeping Force (IPKF) was sent to Sri Lanka.”unquote

Are you from S.India?-seriously
so how the status of dravidstan now?

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Rajeev,

The DK was prominent in the 1940s. At that time, they did demand several things in their manifesto including the Dravidastan. The DMK formed because Periyar married a young woman when he was in the sixties. To gain popularity, the DMK had a mellowed tone in its propaganda. It was the DMK that came to power in 1967. The DK stayed as an ideological party. When the LTTE began to dominate TN in the late 1980s, there were talks of a greater TN covering Northern Sri Lanka and TN in India.

I am not from TN. But I have spent considerable time in the South. I can speak Tamil somewhat fluently and have followed Southern politics closely. I am not exactly a South Indian either. I have a mixed pedigree.

The linguistic division demand was led by Telugu speaking population and Nehru decided to listen to Gandhi’s advice from the past and linguistic divisions happened. In a way this division helped temper the secessionist tendencies in the South. Had TN succeeded, the others would have followed suit. They were happy that at least they could get by with linguistic division for all that they tried. TN still is adamant about Hindi usage in the state. If any central government gets fanatical (like Yahya Khan did in East Pakistant regarding Urdu) to impose Hindi there, old secessionist sentiments will erupt there again. There are lot of emotional issues lying dormant. Politicians should be careful not to step on them. I wish there was a separate blog for India on Reuters. We can discuss them there instead of here, in a Pakistani forum.

 

Pakistani’s go mysteriously silent when the finger points in their direction. Either that, or they are dodging drones.

I am surprised not even on of them is hurling dung, vomit and feces at any body criticizing Pakistan.

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Pakistanis go silent when they find Indians fight or argue amongst themselves. That is very entertaining to them.

A united India has helped avoid several armed conflicts which would have otherwise occurred over the past 60 years. With time, a feeling of “Indianness” has emerged. This wasn’t there even about 30 years ago. Thanks to Pakistan’s repeated attempts to irritate India have united Indians even more. But this Indianness is not entirely dependent on keeping hatred against Pakistanis alive. It is one of the factors that have contributed to our unity while in diversity. And there have been continued accomplishments in various fields, international recognition etc have bolstered these feelings. Pakistan on the other hand has focused entirely on India to keep its unity and it has become like a steroid. They need more and more dosages of it in order to keep going. Or else they begin to fall apart.
They have lived on a myth of Indian inferiority and are unable to digest the fact that this country has come up against the odds and has achieved a high stature in the international arena.

 

@There are lot of emotional issues lying dormant. Politicians should be careful not to step on them. I wish there was a separate blog for India on Reuters. We can discuss them there instead of here, in a Pakistani forum.
- Posted by Mauryan
-Being not from S.India, I do not have emotional attachment with this issue except believing in oneness of India by being careful about sensitive regional issues anywhere. This is so much we can discuss because of relevance sake. Thanks for sharing some information that you have some S.India connection.

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Mauryan

—“Rajaji (as he was called) was a tootheless icon as far as TN politics was concerned. He had a national stature and was a Brahmin.”

— In response to your ignorance
At the age of 89, Rajaji forged an united opposition to the Indian National Congress by forming an alliance between the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, Swatantra Party and the Forward Bloc.”This front” under C. N. Annadurai captured power in the state in the 1967 elections.
Rajaji’s Swatantra Party won 18 seats in the third Lok Sabha (1962-67). It emerged as the main opposition in four states – Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Orissa. It became the single largest opposition party in the mid-1960s in Parliament with 44 seats in the Fourth Lok Sabha (1967-71).
Rajaji is a Bharat Ratna & the inspiration of a liberal India. This ‘brahmin’ is the one who issued the Temple Entry Authorization and Indemnity Act 1939 by which restrictions were removed on Dalits and Shanars entering Hindu temples. Isn’t Jayalalitha a Brahmin?

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Mauryan
“Sufi religion is 4000 years old?”
The Sufi tradition is immensely old, the tentacles of the brotherhood reach out to many religions and cultures and extend thousands of years into the past, its members were once better known as the Friends of Truth, the Builders, the Masters, the People of the Way and numerous other appellations that had been circulating for far longer than the lifetime of Islam. The Friends, it is said, were already present in Medina during Muhammad’s lifetime and adopted the name Sufi after taking an oath of fidelity to the Muslim cause.
There is a Sufi tradition in Central Asia that claims to go back forty thousand years.
The paintings in the Lascaux caves in the Dordogne, France, which the great authority on parietal art, the Abbé Breuil, has dated to about thirty thousand years BCE, were the work of later Sufi descendants of the shamans. The Lascaux artists were members of a brotherhood that survived after Atlantis sank seven or eight thousand years ago.
The Sufis are believed to have founded a brotherhood called the Sarman or Sarmoun Society, which met in Babylon as far back as c. 2500 BCE and was responsible for preserving the inner teachings and initiations of the Aryan tradition in a period of religious decline. The Sarmouni are believed to have secret training centres hidden to this day in the most remote regions of Central Asia.
Then, when in the seventh century CE civilization was in danger of total collapse through the ravages of global pestilence, war, earthquakes and the suppression of all Greek learning by Byzantine Christianity, the Sufi masters transferred their allegiance from Zoroastrianism to Islam, the latter offering the greater hope of rehabilitation for humanity. Thus the wisdom and science of Persia, with its great heritage of Greek learning, passed into the Muslim culture and was carried by Muslim sages into every quarter of the globe. The Dark Ages were halted and Islam, supported by the Sufis, brought about a brilliant revival of the Graeco-Roman arts and sciences.
Crusaders such as the Templars encountered the rich Saracen culture in the Holy Land and secretly brought back the cream of Sufi thought to Europe to enrich Christian theological scholarship, art and sciences.
With the Mongol invasions, however, came difficult days for European civilization as many sources of Sufi wisdom withdrew. The Sufi Masters of Wisdom known in Central Asia as the Khwajagan lineage withdrew at this time to the Trans-Himalayas, where their schools still persist & have continued to this day to head the Sufi hierarchy from its hidden Trans-Himalayan headquarters. I hope this explains the Taliban’s antipathy towards Rehman Baba.

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Anup writes: “At the age of 89, Rajaji forged an united opposition to the Indian National Congress by forming an alliance between the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, Swatantra Party and the Forward Bloc.”This front” under C. N. Annadurai captured power in the state in the 1967 elections.
Rajaji’s Swatantra Party won 18 seats in the third Lok Sabha (1962-67). It emerged as the main opposition in four states – Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Orissa. It became the single largest opposition party in the mid-1960s in Parliament with 44 seats in the Fourth Lok Sabha (1967-71).
Rajaji is a Bharat Ratna & the inspiration of a liberal India. This ‘brahmin’ is the one who issued the Temple Entry Authorization and Indemnity Act 1939 by which restrictions were removed on Dalits and Shanars entering Hindu temples. Isn’t Jayalalitha a Brahmin?”

You should not read too much into political alliances. Even today the BJP allies with DMK for one election and then with the ADMK on another. This is not new to the Indian political system. Sure, Rajaji simply did not sit and pick his teeth. He was a famous freedom fighter. When Gandhi ran the Dandhi march, Rajaji led a similar one in TN. He was the first governor general after Mount Batten departed.

What you are not understanding is that in the TN political scene after 1965 changed dramatically. What the news reports do not show openly are the public sentiments. The status of Brahmins reached its nadir in TN from that time until 1975 when the emergency was declared. Brahmins began to migrate out of TN seeking jobs outside as they were denied opportunities for college admissions, jobs and so on. I know of TN Brahmins who hated their state and began to identify themselves with the cultures they moved into. They used to tell me that if TN had managed to secede, the Brahmins would have faced what SL Tamils faced or Jews faced in Nazi Germany.

There are lot of mini-Pakistans inside the sub-continent. A united India helped avoid disasters that would have turned the sub-continent similar to the African countries like Congo, Rwanda, Angola, Uganda etc.

But that is a different topic altogether.

 

@Mauryan,

I think Indians, especially the youth have a sense of national pride. India is very much an international player on all levels, from entertainment to IT to aerospace. It is very precious that India is a secular and democratic, that all Indians, whether they are Tamil, punjabi, tegulu, christian or any other relgion, culture has the opportunity to advance, if their heart wills it and they choose to truly try.

Indians should always take comfort and restraint in knowing that they are the source of American brainpower for the IT and military in the U.S.

Indians are very well respected and liked in the U.S. as many of them are IT specialists, doctors, engineers and many other professions.

I don’t misplace and identify my Indian pride with rivalry with Pakistan.

Indian-ness stems from the fact that our civilization is ancient, mature in its response and highly spiritually developed.

The so-called trendy new-age concepts of NEO_HUMANISM are actually from India. It is this neo-humanism, which makes India so special, the maternal mother India it is.

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Anup,

On Sufi saints – thanks for sharing the information. I have some disagreements. However, I intend not arguing for argument sake. Let us say, you and I have different views on Sufism and its development.

Sufism does pre-date Islam as you have alluded to. It follows the principle of free spirit that relies on unconditional love and devotion. This is nothing different from what many philosophies in India teach. Sufi Islam spread through most of Pakistan. The Wahabbi and Deobandi schools of Islam tend to isolate Muslims from others, pushing them towards orthodoxy and resemble boot camps. Sufi Islam is based on tolerance and love. See this link. You will mistake it for a Hindu festival.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/slideshow/page  /0,,2176124,00.html

 

@ Mauryan, Anup Rajeev

Can we please take our discussion on TN Politics out of Pakistani blog?

Thanks in advance

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chirkut

—Alright, but frankly aren’t the people of ‘the land of pure’ getting exactly what they asked for – no sympathies from me – nor do i entertain the idea of ‘victimization’ for an opportunistic society like the Pakistani’s, although the loss of heritage indulged by the Islamists is ultimately the loss of we Indians, because it in reality is our culture & heritage & rightfully belongs to us – the Pakistani’s have again failed us by not being able to preserve our rich heritage trusted to them & are sacrificing it at the altar of their hate for India.
What the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas resulted to Afghanistan – the destruction of Rehman Baba’s tomb shall be to Pakistan.

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This is the direct influence of Saudi Wahhabism, which sends a lot of money to madrassas and groups in Pakistan and spreads its ideology. In Saudi Arabia the wahhabis have descrated and destroyed shrines of important people in Islam, and in Pakistant he Wahabi inspired and funded militants are doing the same.

 

@Anup

It isn’t your land, it isn’t your history and it isn’t your heritage. if you think so, thats because its your Akhand Bharat nonsense.

 

Bangash Khan

—Huh, but don’t are not all pakistani’s, as they claim, to be ‘descendants’ of Turks / Mongols / Arabs— from when did you’ll started to claim the sub-continent culture as your own???

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@It isn’t your land, it isn’t your history and it isn’t your heritage. if you think so, thats because its your Akhand Bharat nonsense.
- Posted by Bangash Khan

–Khan, Be Thankful for allowing you to live next door. It is all ours and for us to take when we want until then say thanks—all said with good reason and cold logic.

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