Comments on: After cricket, an attack on a revered Sufi shrine in Pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-16438 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:57:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-16438 @It isn’t your land, it isn’t your history and it isn’t your heritage. if you think so, thats because its your Akhand Bharat nonsense.
– Posted by Bangash Khan

–Khan, Be Thankful for allowing you to live next door. It is all ours and for us to take when we want until then say thanks—all said with good reason and cold logic.

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By: anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14367 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:50:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14367 Bangash Khan

—Huh, but don’t are not all pakistani’s, as they claim, to be ‘descendants’ of Turks / Mongols / Arabs— from when did you’ll started to claim the sub-continent culture as your own???

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By: Bangash Khan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14340 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:12:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14340 @Anup

It isn’t your land, it isn’t your history and it isn’t your heritage. if you think so, thats because its your Akhand Bharat nonsense.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14338 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:09:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14338 This is the direct influence of Saudi Wahhabism, which sends a lot of money to madrassas and groups in Pakistan and spreads its ideology. In Saudi Arabia the wahhabis have descrated and destroyed shrines of important people in Islam, and in Pakistant he Wahabi inspired and funded militants are doing the same.

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By: anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14265 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:52:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14265 chirkut

—Alright, but frankly aren’t the people of ‘the land of pure’ getting exactly what they asked for – no sympathies from me – nor do i entertain the idea of ‘victimization’ for an opportunistic society like the Pakistani’s, although the loss of heritage indulged by the Islamists is ultimately the loss of we Indians, because it in reality is our culture & heritage & rightfully belongs to us – the Pakistani’s have again failed us by not being able to preserve our rich heritage trusted to them & are sacrificing it at the altar of their hate for India.
What the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas resulted to Afghanistan – the destruction of Rehman Baba’s tomb shall be to Pakistan.

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By: chirkut http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14236 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:15:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14236 @ Mauryan, Anup Rajeev

Can we please take our discussion on TN Politics out of Pakistani blog?

Thanks in advance

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14235 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:07:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14235 Anup,

On Sufi saints – thanks for sharing the information. I have some disagreements. However, I intend not arguing for argument sake. Let us say, you and I have different views on Sufism and its development.

Sufism does pre-date Islam as you have alluded to. It follows the principle of free spirit that relies on unconditional love and devotion. This is nothing different from what many philosophies in India teach. Sufi Islam spread through most of Pakistan. The Wahabbi and Deobandi schools of Islam tend to isolate Muslims from others, pushing them towards orthodoxy and resemble boot camps. Sufi Islam is based on tolerance and love. See this link. You will mistake it for a Hindu festival.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/slideshow/page  /0,,2176124,00.html

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14234 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:55:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14234 @Mauryan,

I think Indians, especially the youth have a sense of national pride. India is very much an international player on all levels, from entertainment to IT to aerospace. It is very precious that India is a secular and democratic, that all Indians, whether they are Tamil, punjabi, tegulu, christian or any other relgion, culture has the opportunity to advance, if their heart wills it and they choose to truly try.

Indians should always take comfort and restraint in knowing that they are the source of American brainpower for the IT and military in the U.S.

Indians are very well respected and liked in the U.S. as many of them are IT specialists, doctors, engineers and many other professions.

I don’t misplace and identify my Indian pride with rivalry with Pakistan.

Indian-ness stems from the fact that our civilization is ancient, mature in its response and highly spiritually developed.

The so-called trendy new-age concepts of NEO_HUMANISM are actually from India. It is this neo-humanism, which makes India so special, the maternal mother India it is.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14229 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14229 Anup writes: “At the age of 89, Rajaji forged an united opposition to the Indian National Congress by forming an alliance between the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, Swatantra Party and the Forward Bloc.”This front” under C. N. Annadurai captured power in the state in the 1967 elections.
Rajaji’s Swatantra Party won 18 seats in the third Lok Sabha (1962-67). It emerged as the main opposition in four states – Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Orissa. It became the single largest opposition party in the mid-1960s in Parliament with 44 seats in the Fourth Lok Sabha (1967-71).
Rajaji is a Bharat Ratna & the inspiration of a liberal India. This ‘brahmin’ is the one who issued the Temple Entry Authorization and Indemnity Act 1939 by which restrictions were removed on Dalits and Shanars entering Hindu temples. Isn’t Jayalalitha a Brahmin?”

You should not read too much into political alliances. Even today the BJP allies with DMK for one election and then with the ADMK on another. This is not new to the Indian political system. Sure, Rajaji simply did not sit and pick his teeth. He was a famous freedom fighter. When Gandhi ran the Dandhi march, Rajaji led a similar one in TN. He was the first governor general after Mount Batten departed.

What you are not understanding is that in the TN political scene after 1965 changed dramatically. What the news reports do not show openly are the public sentiments. The status of Brahmins reached its nadir in TN from that time until 1975 when the emergency was declared. Brahmins began to migrate out of TN seeking jobs outside as they were denied opportunities for college admissions, jobs and so on. I know of TN Brahmins who hated their state and began to identify themselves with the cultures they moved into. They used to tell me that if TN had managed to secede, the Brahmins would have faced what SL Tamils faced or Jews faced in Nazi Germany.

There are lot of mini-Pakistans inside the sub-continent. A united India helped avoid disasters that would have turned the sub-continent similar to the African countries like Congo, Rwanda, Angola, Uganda etc.

But that is a different topic altogether.

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By: anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/09/after-cricket-an-attack-on-a-revered-sufi-shrine-in-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-14216 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:17:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2163#comment-14216 Mauryan
“Sufi religion is 4000 years old?”
The Sufi tradition is immensely old, the tentacles of the brotherhood reach out to many religions and cultures and extend thousands of years into the past, its members were once better known as the Friends of Truth, the Builders, the Masters, the People of the Way and numerous other appellations that had been circulating for far longer than the lifetime of Islam. The Friends, it is said, were already present in Medina during Muhammad’s lifetime and adopted the name Sufi after taking an oath of fidelity to the Muslim cause.
There is a Sufi tradition in Central Asia that claims to go back forty thousand years.
The paintings in the Lascaux caves in the Dordogne, France, which the great authority on parietal art, the Abbé Breuil, has dated to about thirty thousand years BCE, were the work of later Sufi descendants of the shamans. The Lascaux artists were members of a brotherhood that survived after Atlantis sank seven or eight thousand years ago.
The Sufis are believed to have founded a brotherhood called the Sarman or Sarmoun Society, which met in Babylon as far back as c. 2500 BCE and was responsible for preserving the inner teachings and initiations of the Aryan tradition in a period of religious decline. The Sarmouni are believed to have secret training centres hidden to this day in the most remote regions of Central Asia.
Then, when in the seventh century CE civilization was in danger of total collapse through the ravages of global pestilence, war, earthquakes and the suppression of all Greek learning by Byzantine Christianity, the Sufi masters transferred their allegiance from Zoroastrianism to Islam, the latter offering the greater hope of rehabilitation for humanity. Thus the wisdom and science of Persia, with its great heritage of Greek learning, passed into the Muslim culture and was carried by Muslim sages into every quarter of the globe. The Dark Ages were halted and Islam, supported by the Sufis, brought about a brilliant revival of the Graeco-Roman arts and sciences.
Crusaders such as the Templars encountered the rich Saracen culture in the Holy Land and secretly brought back the cream of Sufi thought to Europe to enrich Christian theological scholarship, art and sciences.
With the Mongol invasions, however, came difficult days for European civilization as many sources of Sufi wisdom withdrew. The Sufi Masters of Wisdom known in Central Asia as the Khwajagan lineage withdrew at this time to the Trans-Himalayas, where their schools still persist & have continued to this day to head the Sufi hierarchy from its hidden Trans-Himalayan headquarters. I hope this explains the Taliban’s antipathy towards Rehman Baba.

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