Comments on: Pakistan’s missing people and judge Chaudhry http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-17287 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:25:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-17287 Umair, Mauryan, GW, BF.
I like the views about Nadeem Farooq Paracha.

http://dawntravelshow.com/dblog/2009/04/ 30/questions-about-burning/

One major point:
1. Muslims need to love non-Muslims too. and of course vice-versa.

2. Tolerate with a happy face the non-Muslims of whatever faith or no faith. Muslims may consider Allah the supreme and above all. It is a faith and accept others who feel the same about their faith. There is no contradiction or comparison here.

A Muslim who accepts the above two is practcing a peaceful Islam. Same goes for non-Muslims.

Shouting out loud that “my religion is peaceful” does not make it peaceful.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15147 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:18:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15147 Umair writes: “Islam never preaches violence, you will find many prominent people who embraced Islam. Islam is the fasted growing religion in the USA, from Dublin to Johannesburg to Manila, Islam is a global faith. Many muslims live their lives according to Islam and are progressing. UAE and Malaysia are examples of success stories.”

Sorry for disrespectful words towards Islam. I do agree that there are lot of peaceful Muslims. But a number of them have hijacked the religion and their actions have made the non-Muslims feel differently towards Muslims in general. This is something all of you, moderate Muslims, will have to fight. I respect people like Irshad Manji, who are reformists in their own regard. I go to Sufi shrines in India and I sincerely apologize to all those saints for branding all of Islam as bad. I know it is not. However, I’d like to see a rise of moderate Muslims who can fight the militants. The whole world will support that effort. Protestants fought the Roman Church and the world progressed as a result. The same should happen within Muslim community so that progress can be seen.

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By: Umair http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15139 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:55:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15139 Mauryan wrote:
“Your actions have given the impression that Islam and terrorism mean one and the same. There must be something wrong somewhere in your religious system that is allowing people to do what they do. And seeing the support that these militant elements draw from the Muslim world, it is only reinforcing the belief that Islam preaches violence against non-Muslims. ”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHujiWd49l4
Above link is 5 MINUTES MULTIMEDIA INTRODUCTION TO ISLAM

Muslim scientists, scholars have done many good work, muslim architecture is most beautiful as well as arts. I agree, Muslims like me never made sincere enough efforts to stand up and project true Islam. But remember, Islam never preaches violence, you will find many prominent people who embraced Islam. Islam is the fasted growing religion in the USA, from Dublin to Johannesburg to Manila, Islam is a global faith. Many muslims live their lives according to Islam and are progressing. UAE and Malaysia are examples of success stories.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15129 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:05:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15129 Umair writes: “Ok so LTTE is Sri Lanks, FARC in Columbia, Mexican drug lords and warlords in Africa, the Basques ETA in Spain and IRA in Northern Ireland are all muslims? t”

Do you find the LTTE or FARC or Basques or the IRA terrorizing the world in various places? The Al Qaeda network attacked the US embassies in Africa, attacked New York, London, Madrid, Bali etc. Your brothers in the middle east (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Fata) etc terrorize the region. Gadaffi’s men shot down planes. India has been a victim of your religion based terrorism for a long time. Your brotherhood is vicious and has a huge span that no other terrorist organization has. That is why the world is looking at your religion closely.

Your actions have given the impression that Islam and terrorism mean one and the same. There must be something wrong somewhere in your religious system that is allowing people to do what they do. And seeing the support that these militant elements draw from the Muslim world, it is only reinforcing the belief that Islam preaches violence against non-Muslims.

Learn to share the world with others. Your people are either fighting nations for separation in order to follow their own codes or they are fighting nations that are separated from you. Learn to live without conflict with others.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15078 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:09:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15078 Umair,

No, not all muslims are terrorists.

You also said that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Well, some may debate that, since Islamic terrorists, are proud of the the fact that they follow the strict and literal words in the Qu’ran, they boldly DO call themselves muslims.

If you realize most of the worldwide terrorist attacks, were in fact my Muslim youths, whose minds were perverted. This is not rhetoric my friend, this is established fact.

My question is, why are not more educated muslims like you speaking out against them and fighting them?

Just to clarify, not all muslims are terrorists, but most of those who commit terrorism globally are muslims, at least that is what they proudly call themselves. I agree, it is not the religion that causes terrorism, but the politics of religion that does.

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By: Umair http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15044 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:46:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15044 Bulletfish:
“DO NOT FORGET: not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorism activities have been caused by Muslims.”

Ok so LTTE is Sri Lanks, FARC in Columbia, Mexican drug lords and warlords in Africa, the Basques ETA in Spain and IRA in Northern Ireland are all muslims? these are just a few terrorists who are not muslims. Islam is a peaceful religion and has nothing to do with terrorism. More and more people are coimng to understand this, its about time you quit this old useless rhetoric that no one buys anymore, change before you have to bulletfish.

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15032 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:03:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15032 Irfan wrote:
the superficiality of your global analysis is evident from your statement that “CIA, RAW and MOSSAD are not terrorist organizations.

Irfan,
Your reply is a complete and utter cop out! It reads like a diplomatic exit remark. You wish to say that what I wrote in not enough to indicate who is a terrorist organisation.
So, what you mean is that all countries major secret services are terrorist organisations since what they do for the defence of their own countries works against others. If this is the case why have you not added ISI on to your list or even the Russian FSB? Torrists do not care who they kill as long as they cause terror and fear in peoples’s minds. These organisations you listed have the duty of protesting their countries interests against terror activities. Does that make them terrorists?

FYI, more Muslims have been murdered by other Muslims in the name of Islam. If Westerners are killed by Muslims then its always death to the ifidiels and that is OK. If Muslims are killed by other Muslims then, oh they were martyed. If Muslims are killed by Westerners then all Muslims: aggressive, passive, quiet ones, loud ones, fat ones, skinny ones, old ones, young ones, men, women and children come out and protest, “DEATH TO THE INFIDIELS!”

Israel (maybe Mossad too) attack Gaza and murder Gazans. Muslims worldwide and Pakistanis protest and raise money for the Gazans.

Taliban attack Swat and murder Muslim, Pakistani civil servants, musicians and dancers. Pakistanis and Pak govt remain passive.

It is no longer the east amd west coming together. Now, it is the West and the the Islamic world.

DO NOT FORGET: not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorism activities have been caused by Muslims.

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By: Irfan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-15027 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:11:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-15027 Bulletfish, the superficiality of your global analysis is evident from your statement that “CIA, RAW and MOSSAD are not terrorist organizations”. CIA trained Bin Ladin, America supplied chemical weapons to Saddam and is supplying weapons to Israel to kill innocent Palestinians.

If the definition of terrorist for is “anyone who kills an innocent person” than west is as much if not more for being terrorist as east. Both sides needs to work together to stop this. On the other hand, if your definition of terrorist is “everyone else except me” than innocent people will continue to die on both ends and American empire will come to an end just as so many others have in the past.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-14961 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:21:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-14961 @Truth is as long as there is no stability in this region, freedom fighters will continue fending off foreign invaders (US & NATO). USA has invaded Afghanistan and want to destabilize Pakistan, a fully soverign country. So who is the REAL terrorist. US foreign policies. Full stop
– Posted by Norman Sanders

-going to the other extreme is calling terrorists Freedom fightors. Terrorists need PR machine like you to survive and there are plenty like you. Same in Kashmir (I might have stepped on your tail here; but don’t get distracted). If Pakistan is presented as such a sovereign strong nation, why Pakistan is so easy to be manipulated into war on terror against your own bros (freedom fightors). But I personally doubt real US intentions, but will not call a terrorist as a freedom fighters unless I become terrorist supporter, which I am not.

@If there are terrorist agencies, it is the like of CIA, RAW, Mossad, who spread terror by hiring and killing on foreign soil, even inside Pakistan.

–First off why you did not add ISI into this list. Consider RAw at this moment out of it. I am happy to say yes to the evidence you present.

USS cole by Mossad–no that again is a conspiracy theory.
Is 9/11 also by Jews?
Is MUmbai also by RAw?

and ISI 5 times Namaz a day?

what facts you presented. fact is Pakistan (army ISI leaders all) has collaborated with US et al to destablilize the region.

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/21/pakistans-missing-people-and-judge-chaudhry/comment-page-1/#comment-14954 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:14:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2291#comment-14954 Norman Sanders,
After reading your statements, you really sound like another one of those Pakistanis who has their head buried in the sand and only come up for air. You only see things from one point of view. You sound like one of those guys who rant and rave that its RAW, Mossad, CIA, Zionist fascists causing your problems.

So you read ONE article and thist is enough for you. I have read many documents, articles analyses, reports…etc from all over the world, including Pakistan. Everything I have read gives Pakistan a great deal of negativity from all over the world. Pakistan nutured the Taliban and other state, non-state actors and banned groups in order to control Afghanistan and terrorize India. These guys then terrorize other countries and return to Pakistan. What do you expect the world to do? Do you expect the world to pity you as a victim of the terror you harbour?

You hold protest rallies against Israel attacking Gaza and raise money for Gazans, but you do not lift a finger for those Pakistanis murdered by the Taliban in Swat. Open YOUR eyes!!!

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