Comments on: Talking to the Taliban and the last man standing http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-2/#comment-17286 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:06:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-17286 @Pakistanis are jealous of Indians eh ? If that’s the case why are the Indians so obsessed with Pakistan, as evidenced by this blog ?
– Posted by Aamir Ali

-This is called “alert and watching” for the fallout of the events inside Pakistan. You guys are obsessed with the word “obsessed”.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-2/#comment-15511 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:04:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15511 Pakistanis are jealous of Indians eh ? If that’s the case why are the Indians so obsessed with Pakistan, as evidenced by this blog ?

Returning to topic, the US is now engaged in dialogue with militants and wants deals. So why was Pakistan criticized and condemned so heavily for doing the same ?

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By: gina http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-2/#comment-15110 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:42:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15110 From the Hadiths of Abu Dawud
Book 14, Number 2478:
Narrated Imran ibn Husayn:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A section of my community will continue to fight for the right and overcome their opponents till the last of them fights with the Antichrist.

Then shall victory come. Allahu Akbar!

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-2/#comment-15080 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:29:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15080 Global watcher,

Your words are comforting. We should remain positive.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-2/#comment-15077 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:02:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15077 @Mauryan,

No Mauryan, India will not fall into that trap, if the reaction to Mumbai is any indication.

India will continue to become stronger in democracy, secularity and equality for all, regardless of caste, race and religion.

India has inertia of 7000 years of civilization, like the great civilizations of Persia, China, Greece, India will always persevere, always has and always will and will emerge greater than ever in its own successes.

Dalits, muslims, Sikhs, all of these people have positions of power and beginning to realize as they try harder, they are equal to everybody else, as the old hatreds and resentments melt away, Pakistani’s get more scared than ever.

India is ancient, secular, democratic and inclusive. Those strengths are beyond measure and words and fuel jealousy in Pakistan.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-2/#comment-15074 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:52:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15074 Global watcher: Provoking Hindu extremism inside India is part of the plan. This will help alienate the Indian Muslims even more and that can be used as a leverage in Pakistan’s jihad against India. Like you, I detest the Hindu fundamentalists too. But they have emerged due to emotional reasons where justice is elusive. When 9/11 happened the reactions shown by Americans anything associated with Islam/Muslims was stark. They didn’t hesitate to show their true feelings. One Tamil actor named Kamal Hassan was denied entry to the US from Toronto because his name sounds Muslim. His name is based on Sanskrit, but that didn’t matter. So worldwide human beings react the same way when emotional buttons are pushed. It is unfortunate, but those who plan long term conflicts to divide up people, rely on these things. They cause the damage, wait for the reaction and capitalize on it. India unfortunately is falling in that trap.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-15071 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:36:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15071 @Myra,

Attached is a link showing the location of the terrorist training camps:

http://www.kashmir-information.com/Terro rism/machine.html

In Indian General Kapoor’s own words, since Mumbai, there has been no change in the number of guerilla terrorist training camps.

India has satellite imaging capability, there fore existence of these guerilla style terrorist training camps in Pak Kashmir is not just some conspiracy theory.

Please let this topic be posted so that it may be discused and brought and given its due discussion.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-15070 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:30:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15070 It seems that the Pakistani Army is still complicit, supporting and quietly supporting Terrorism, namely the Kashmir Mujahideen terror training camps and the Taliban.

Please refer the following link.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pak-s till-running-terror-camps-Army-chief/art icleshow/4315822.cms

Myra, the U.S. has to do more to pressure include turfing of these so-called strategic proxy terrorist army “assets”.

The U.S. must consider droning these terrorist training camps in Pakistan Kashmir, in the future.

Will you please, in a future topic, directly and headon, address the Terrorist Jihadi Proxy Armies in Pakistan, nurtured and cultivated to agitate and destabilize India?

I am a little perturbed that the west is turning a blind eye to the Kashmir based terrorist camps.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-15069 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:19:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15069 @Mauryan,

First off there are proud muslims who practice their faith who can be called moderates, unfortunately the mosques are places of politics and the moderates are not allowed to have a voice there, as if they do, there are often threats of violence and intimidation.

Please READE see the following link on Islam vs Islamists: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/ dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/storie s/DN-rodislam_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.4 35bd6b.html

I complete agree with you, the west has to realize is that India MUST be included in the Global strategy to fight terrorism. If the west ignores this, what this does is create resentment and anger amount the Nationalist ultra orthodox Hindus, which want to radicalize India and keep it for Hindus only. I detest and loathe these guys as much as I detest the Taliban. These right wing Hindus are very dangerous to the stablity of India as well and it is actually in the hands of Pakistan and the U.S., how big and powerful these groups become.

Since India is a secular democracy, India can’t just silence and kill these guys off, like the Military does in Pakistan with minority groups, they will have an equal voice in government, and through votes, if they become popular they can legally gain power in office and be in control of the Indian military.

The Extremist Hindus can only get power, if the Pakistani Military and ISI don’t stop terrorism on India. Every time Pakistani’s do terrorism on India, it angers the public, as they want justice and they don’t vote for moderate governments. The best way for Pakistan to control anti-Pakistan sentiment in India, is for Pakistan to flatten its terrorist infrastructure and change the minds and hearts of its people and stop the hate propaganda against India. Because for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This simple concept is foreign to Pakistan, for some reason and evades their mentality.

Unfortunately there are outside forces working in Pakistan, like the Wahabi’s and Deobandi which have 8th century dreams of delusional conquest and “DAWAs” over Kaffirs and Dhimmi’s, which is fueling hate and fear against India, through the madrasas and facilitated by the complicity, sympathy and support of the Pakistani Military and ISI and desensitized and sympathetic Pakistani society at large. These folks feel entitlement to rule India once more due the last 800 years but for get that India was free for almost 6200years before that, but that becomes ignored, for some reason. The Americans know this, but turn a blind eye and don’t want to engage this scenario.

As long as the moderates in India stay in power, India will not let their problems become the world’s problem. How long the Indian moderates stay in power, will depend upon the words and actions of those religio-political forces in Pakistan, which Pakistan is unwilling to divorce itself from.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/03/23/talking-to-the-taliban-and-the-last-man-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-15066 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:39:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2311#comment-15066 Global watcher:

There is no clear definition of the term “moderate Muslim.” Is it someone who is not a radical in action, but supports it in his heart? Many are in this category. There are those who don’t go to the mosque or pray five time a day or follow any of the Muslim codes of conduct (Jinnah is one example). They know about the Quran from what others told them. Are they moderate? Being a moderate person depends on a person’s individual nature and not on his religion. People become defensive when their identity is pointed at. Whether they strictly fit the definition of that identity or not does not matter.

Coming to the Taliban, they must be treated just like the apartheid regime in South Africa. In today’s world, they are practicing gender Apartheid. Woman has no rights, she is half man, she has no access to education and she is expendable. This is blatant human rights violation. The way they brought South Africa to give up official apartheid was by trade embargo, economic sanctions etc. At some point they had to give in. In the case of the Taliban, the same must be done. No deals whatsoever. Whoever makes a deal with the Taliban or endorses them should see the same fate. No business deals. No foreign aid. Nothing. And at the same time the stick must be used. Saudis must be told in clear terms that dealing with these barbarians will invite stern reaction from the world powers. They imposed all these on Saddam Hussein. But Pakistan is a strategic ally! That makes no sense. Pakistan has everything that they accused Saddam of. They have started their jihadist activities in Kashmir already. This tells that these guys can never be trusted and no deal will work with them. They only believe in carrying out their pursuit. Every deal made is a short term relief to regroup and restart. The Western powers are using Pakistan as a leverage against India’s progress. They want to prove their theory that India as a democracy with diverse cultures cannot survive. India has been proving them wrong and it was allied against them in the past. That residual mindset has not left the West. So they are not very sympathetic to what India is bearing. At some point things are going to blow up. Emotional people are on the other side of the border too. If they come to power, it will lead to irrational acts and a huge calamity.

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