Lashkar-e-Taiba threatens more violence in Kashmir

March 25, 2009

The Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan-based militant group blamed by India for last November’s assault on Mumbai, has threatened more violence in Kashmir after a five-day gunbattle that killed 25 people, including eight Indian troops.

A spokesman for the group, speaking from an undisclosed location, said: “India should understand the freedom struggle in Kashmir was not over, it is active with full force.”

The threat by the Lashkar-e-Taiba, if followed through, would be a new headache for the United States, which would like to see an improvement in relations between India and Pakistan as it overhauls its approach to both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Washington has been careful to avoid any suggestion that it would intervene overtly in the Kashmir dispute, in what has been seen as an acknowledgement of Indian sensitivities about outside interference.  But Indian newspapers have reported that the United States has nonetheless been quietly leaning on India to reduce tensions on Pakistan’s eastern border so that its army can concentrate on fighting militants on its western border with Afghanistan.

And former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, leading a review of strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan expected to be released this week, has suggested in the past that a resolution of the Kashmir dispute would help ease tensions across the region.

In an interview with Germany’s Spiegel magazine last December, he said that for those involved in global jihad, the Kashmir cause is in many ways “like a second Palestine”.  Solving the conflict and bringing peace between Israelis and Palestinians, he said, would help dry up support for al Qaeda. “We are not going to get al Qaeda to change its mind. These are fanatics. What we want to do, though, is to separate the fanatics from the rest of the Islamic world.”

So the last thing Washington needs is any new flare-up in violence in Kashmir that would push back any chance of resolving the dispute and raise tensions along the India-Pakistan border. (Before a ceasefire was agreed at the end of 2003, the Indian and Pakistani armies fought near daily artillery duels across the Line of Control dividing Kashmir, which India said were meant to prevent infiltration of militants into Kashmir from the Pakistani side.)

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On the subject of the review of strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan, special envoy Richard Holbrooke made a couple of intriguing comments in an interview with the BBC this week. 

First he said openly that the Afghan Taliban were based in Quetta in the Pakistani province of Baluchistan.  “Quetta appears to be the headquarters for the leaders of the Taliban and some of the worst people in the world,” he said.  Many analysts have assumed for some time that the Afghan Taliban are operating out of Quetta — so much so that the New York Times suggested earlier this month that the United States might extend its attacks on militant targets on the Pakistan border into Baluchistan. But it’s quite new for U.S. policymakers to talk publicly about the Taliban’s presence in Quetta.

Foreign Policy picked up on a similar statement last week by Lieutenant General Michael Maples, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.  “Now that the U.S. government has gone on record that the Quetta shura … is operating openly in Pakistan, it won’t be long before policymakers are asked some pretty tough and uncomfortable questions,” it said. “Like, what are you doing about the fact that our own government now admits that the Taliban’s nerve center is functioning not in Pakistan’s tribal areas, but in the capital of a major Pakistani province…”

Secondly, the BBC quoted Holbrooke as saying that conflicting reports that Taliban leader Mullah Omar himself may support dialogue was a “mysterious issue” that U.S. officials were ”trying to learn more about”.  I’ve discussed the question of talks with the Taliban in an earlier post but I thought that response from Holbrooke was curious.

For an interesting take on the possibility of talks with the Taliban, Jean MacKenzie, program director for the Institute for War and Peace Reporting in Afghanistan has published an interview in the Global Post with two former high-ranking Taliban officials who both said dialogue was feasible.

She also has a separate story on an interview with the former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan.  There’s a lot in there worth reading, though I was struck by his comment that “you cannot talk to the Taliban from a position of strength. We are Afghans. If we are in a lower position, and the enemy acts tough, we will act 10 times tougher.”  That is perhaps one answer to those who say the United States should improve its military position against the Taliban first before it considers dialogue.

(Reuters photos: Women mourn at the funeral of a Kashmiri Muslim soldier/Fayaz Kabli; and U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke)

Comments

i think Umair is a few different people. I dont like this. i think this Umair persona is a little propaganda web. A few like minded people maybe politicly involved maybe not. But i’ve been reading this blog for a few months now and Umair’s post are very familiar to me now, he posts constantly somtimes minute by minute day and night which is another reason i think its not one person(unless he has a computer and constant internet connection but no job. which seems hard to do). The biggest reason i feel this is as follows. The style of his writing and his grasp of the english language seems to constatly fluxuate. sometimes respectible grammer and puncuation, and sometimes an out right infantile command of the language. I dont think this is an international conspirisy but the Umair’s do seem to peddle a pro pak anti Indian uncompromising hardline agenda under false pretense. Let me tell you something among it other problems Pakistan will have no peace, no friends, and no justice as long as it has lairs like you speaking for it.

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Myra writes: “he biggest threat is seen as coming from religious extremism and violence.”

Myra,

The poll is confined to a minuscule population (those who have access to computers and internet – colleges and those abroad). Their views do not represent the reality. Unfortunately one cannot take a poll for those on the street and the general population and the views will vary vastly from one province to another. If a poll is taken from the military supporters in that country, their view of the largest threat will be India and not Taliban or religious extremism. They want to use the latter as a leverage against their greatest threat which is India. If the crowds that flock the Madrasas and organizations like LeT are included in the poll, they might view the Western powers as the greatest threat. They are the majority and their views cannot come to the media. So it would be wrong to conclude anything based on what a bunch of arm chair elite say on electronic forums.

 

“the occupation in kashmir is india copying the tactics of their former british colonists (think the israelis recreating the holocaust in palestine)”
- Posted by Mr. Ketchup

–Mr. Ketchup, Palestine sure have a case and if you Pakistanis want to use the same logic, then pack up and leave this land called Pakistan which you have no right to stay in. You guys lack sense of gratitutde or do not know the history–just want the best piece in pie. Times have changed. Should we show you little trailer of Israel policy. Nonsense idiots.

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“Pakistan has nothing to do with the violence in Kashmir, Indians must think themselves.”
- Posted by Umair

-Really Umair. Read this one once more.

Umair: Be a man and stand up to the (mis) deeds of your notorious ISI and establishment. There is nothing worse than losing trust. China via 1962 war has lost trust and rightly so. I did not see Pakistanis (citizens) the same way. Through limited experience, I keep Pakistan and China nearly in the same league now. Reason: one Pakistani citizen has logic for both sides of the coins. Bleeding India with 1000 cuts to Pakistan, knowing and trusting the objevtives of LeT etc terrorists (Umair: This one goes for you especially–I know their objectives as much as you do and they are Pak-sponsored), moral support by Pak to flipping your side and saying Pakistan plays no hand in Kashmir violence and is the peaceful country. For your this non-serious attitude, you little more time, more violence in Pakistan from these terrorists before you kneel down on all your fours and shout loudly and the world care less about you.

And about your statement ~~~ “Taliban have matured in 8 yrs and they do not break statues”, did you forget Sufi Shrine destruction recently by Taliban (or was there lack of evidence?). Taliban, who beheads, destroys schools and kills people for unseemingly no good reason, you are saying they have matured (yes by Sharia Law, perhaps). Good job on your analaysis about the maturity of Taliban, Umair. I wonder how worse an uneducated Pakistani will be. In a thing as improbable as Taliban becoming mature, there is a Punjabi saying “wishing milk from a BULL”. Sadly but bluntly speaking, the reason for this wishfulness of yours is your “common religion”. This is going to take you so far down that there is no hope for coming back. Guys, unforunately, your religion is killing you. Terroists are terrorists and should be treated as such.

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Rajeev wrote:
“Times have changed. Should we show you little trailer of Israel policy. Nonsense idiots.”

With due respect Rajeev, Pakistan and India are nuclear powers. If an Israel like aggressive and destructive approach is followed, it will lead everyone to disaster. Because when you have two powerful opponents the fight is bloody.

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Settle the Kashmir dispute and ensure peace and stability.
-Umair

Umair:

Settle your confusion arising out of your religion–decide who is your friend, a Hindu infidel or an Muslim terrorist—The world will be in peace.

Said as it is. I can dress it up if you want.

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“With due respect Rajeev, Pakistan and India are nuclear powers. If an Israel like aggressive and destructive approach is followed, it will lead everyone to disaster. Because when you have two powerful opponents the fight is bloody.”
- Posted by Umair
Umair:
With equal respet, that one was in response to occupation issue. We have valid reason to say so but do not get into this. Umair: applying that logic, you are occupying a land that does not belong to you. India does not treat it as occupation.

About your post above, India is not stupid to get into war (Pakistan is, from your post) and knows better and safer ways to accomplish the job & those ways are safer and with minimal collateral damage.

Yes, I noticed the word “Nuclear” in your post.

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Rajeev
ISI is as notorious as Mossad in Israel or CIA in US. No one is a saint here. And yes, what millitants are doing in Pakistan everone is against it, the people and government of Pakistan. Pakistanis are facing terrorism each day and we will defeat them. They did bomb the Sufi Shrine, they are those elemnts, but who provides them grenades? who gives them weapons? not the ISI. foreign hand is confirmed.

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“Pakistan has nothing to do with the violence in Kashmir, Indians must think themselves.”
- Posted by Umair

-Umair:

Is Kargil not part of Kashmir? Was it Let in Kargil war? How many lives on either side were lost? or was it Pak army alone. I think it was high altitute training of ellow bros LeT Inc. by Pak Army.

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They did bomb the Sufi Shrine, they are those elemnts, but who provides them grenades? who gives them weapons? not the ISI. foreign hand is confirmed.
-posted by Umair:

Umair: People in Pakistan, like in rest of the Muslim world, would happily believe that CIA (or Mossad and that Jews were on leave that day in WTC) blew the WTC and 3000 Americans in order to land in middle east, and that Indian Establishment conspired Mumbai attack and you are one of those who atleast believe this Mumbai conspiracy thory. So what’s the problem with understanding that ISI is behind bombing the Sufi Shrines.

I don;t even say that, the fact is there is so much lose easily avaialable ammunition out there. Is Pakistan not helping Taliban or has not been helping them and now they are self-revololing machinery. The region is unstable and anyone can get whatever and do whatever. I am nit BULLSh..G, I know through experience that when security is down, even a small time miscreant is a bigtime OBL. I think Taliban blew the shrine.

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American Leverage in South Asia
BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/79 71128.stm

-They point out that Pakistan has lost more soldiers in fighting the Taleban and al-Qaeda on the Afghan border than all of the Nato forces combined; and that American officials acknowledge the ISI has captured more al-Qaeda operatives than any other intelligence agency.

-Within the security establishment there is a belief that the ISI is being used as a scapegoat for coalition failures in Afghanistan.

-Some believe the military has never given up its policy of “strategic depth”: the belief that in order to defend itself against its traditional enemy, India, to the east, it needs a pro-Pakistan government (like the Taleban) in Afghanistan, to the west.

-”The Pakistan army knows that it and the Taleban have Pashtun support on both sides of the Durand line. This gives it leverage, and means it can signal to the United States that it will not be abandoned in any Afghan deal.”

-But for Pakistan’s security establishment, its concerns – the presence of India in Afghanistan, Kabul’s refusal to recognise the border, the festering Kashmir dispute – are strategic threats far greater than those posed by Islamist militants.

-Ultimately America’s leverage is limited: in pushing too much, it may lose even the limited cooperation it has.

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“History tells us that a weak inner front always tends to invite external aggression,” he said in his address to participants yesterday.
Gilani also said Pakistan had “no aggressive designs against any country” but would counter any threat to its territorial integrity and sovereignty “with full force”.
- Posted by Umair

–Gilani is an intelligent man and has become even more so after Long-March. But is he also thinking a more possible scenario of Pakistan might be the first Nuclear nation with such a big army imploding due to its inability to face the issues of territorial integrity and sovereignty from within–IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY EXTERNAL AGGRESSSION.

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Rajeev
“Settle the Kashmir dispute and ensure peace and stability.
-Umair”

—Let’s settle the (Na)Pak nuisance, the imaginary Kashmir will resolve automatically…

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rajeev,
Jammu & Kashmir have been very quiet places for the time being. Most likely due to all the incidents that are occurring in Pakistan. Those from J&K that are Pro-Pak are keeping their mouths shut until such time when they can carry on yelling AZAD, AZAD! However, J&K can never function as a country on its own because it does not have good infastructure which India is currently building there as they are in Afghanistan (at the Afghan govt request).

Gilani also said Pakistan had “no aggressive designs against any country” but would counter any threat to its territorial integrity and sovereignty “with full force”.

This statement by Gilani is utter BULLSH*T because LeT was created, funded and trained by Pakistan to conduct aggressive designs against India. LeT is part of the Alphabet soup of Taliban groups. Now, Pakistan is suffering at the hands of those very groups it created and is crying foul over them. Pakistan would love to have these groups attack India, so India can counter attack Pakistan, who will go crying off to the UN and USA with sob stories of rape and pillage to get support.

However, India knows better and will not attack and Pakistan will call India weak. Which is hypocrital since the Pak govt is weak against its own problems. India will not attack because it does not want the Taliban united with the Pak Forces and neither does the USA. Especially when Obama has pledges $7.5 billion over 5 years to Pakistan. I am sure China would LOVE to help Pakistan spend this money.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Napoleon Bonaparte.

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Umair writes: “They did bomb the Sufi Shrine, they are those elemnts, but who provides them grenades? who gives them weapons? not the ISI. foreign hand is confirmed.”

Kindly do not cheat yourself. Read the book “Front Line Pakistan,” by a Pakistani author. Do not trust your ISI. It has indeed become a sinister organization that is beyond the control of even your military. It has close ties with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Elements inside the ISI were involved in the assassination attempts on Musharraf.

Umair, do not make the mistake of pride blinding your eyes. Your country is in danger from self-inflicted reasons. There is no foreign hand, other than the Americans and their allies. In India, people are held accountable. by votes or by the law (it works, though it is slow). Anything from the Indian side will be known to the US and it will clip any attempts of subterfuge right away. India is not a monstrous nation as you people believe.

You need help to resolve your own problem that your military leaders created years ago. And you are unable to help yourselves. You have been blinded by propaganda.

Fight those who have hijacked your country. You will get support from all of us, morally at least. Help founding a force that fights institutions like the Taliban, ISI, LeT etc. They are burning your country from within. Do not delude yourself. Time is running out. I am saying this with good intentions. Do not delude yourself. Your country is in need of serious help. Do not trust the Chinese or even the Americans. Help build trust between Indians and Pakistanis. Otherwise, you will be watching the destruction of your country in front of your eyes.

 

Mauryan,

The world is tired of Pakistani’s indulging in statements, which absolve them of responsibility, they love using the following words:

Words used by Pakistani’s to shift the blame and responsibility

-non-state actors
-” a foreign influence ”
-terrorism is the world’s problem
-If Pakistan fails, the world fails
-It was planned by Mossaid, RAW and CIA
-terrorism was started by the Soviets and Americans
-We are providing only moral support to Kashmir
-”all countries have terrorists”
-911 and Mumbai were “inside” jobs

The list goes on and on. The world is starting to hate Pakistan and this does not bode well for Pakistani’s on Pakistani soil or expatriates living in other countries.

Pakistan is very adept at blame shifting and creating distance between it and terrorism as it has made a business model with the U.S. and the world, in one end, it nurtures and creates the terrorism, on the other end, it pronounces to fight terrorism, this PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION scenario has fueled the business for the ISI and Pak Army and put food on the table for their families.

The question is, will the US continue to be fooled, or focus their drones on the Pakistani cities, where the Taliban and their operational safe houses are operating in the open?

It is the world’s wish that Pakistani’s open their eyes and realize that they have been fooled by Islamic propaganda started by the Zia Al Haq days.

The question is, does the average Pakistani have the courage to take the fight against extremist Islam in the streets and embrace modernism? Or will will they live passively frozen in fear, stay quiet and compliantly embrace the 8th century, as their country gets Islamicized by an evil, canceroius insidious ideology, before it is too late?

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Global watcher writes: “The question is, will the US continue to be fooled, or focus their drones on the Pakistani cities, where the Taliban and their operational safe houses are operating in the open?”

American approach to the world geo-politics has been foolish right from the start since WW II. They do not have much left to be fooled.

If Pakistan was sitting within a 1000 mile radius from Israel, the American approach would have been very different. The Jewish lobby in the US controls American policies abroad. America is as much a hostage of the Jewish lobby as Pakistan is of the ISI.

Americans know that they created the roots of today’s mess. They had a chance to clean it all up in 2001. But Dick Cheney and his mafia had their eyes on Iraq and took their entire effort there, knowing very well that whatever they accused Iraq of, was in Pakistan and in a much larger magnitude.

They have to have their priorities straight. If they appear confused, then they will never be able to solve any problem. And they are not here to solve any problem or provide long lasting solutions. They are here for vengeance – to get Bin Laden out and be done with it. They do not care if the Taliban takes over the whole sub-continent and chops off all women’s breasts. They do not care if Indians and Pakistanis nuke each other out either.

They are here for their interests. One thing Pakistan could do is simply hand over Bin Laden to them and they will be gone. They have never been good at nation building outside of their borders. They have enough issues back home right now and Mexico is mushrooming into another tail spinning nation. So they will be in a hurry to get out of Afghanistan.

We need to start thinking what India should do without seeking help from others. We surely have a problem in our vicinity and we need to protect our interests. If Pakistanis reach out to us, may be we can work together and put the beast to bed. They surely will not. Therefore we need to make long terms plans for our own safety and security.

 

As long as India continues its illegal suppression and occupation of Kashmir, there will be a response from the Kashmiris.

Since the so-called peace process delivered nothing to Pakistan, i think its a good idea if “moral and political support” is resumed to our Kashmiri brethren.

 

Matt:

Umair is internet face of taliban and jehadis of Pakistan , like other pakis, he is also in the habit of talking nuisance ?

Though it is not relevant here , but I must mention here that in one of cricket matches, where Pakistan lost to India, the then captain publicly while addressing media and viewers present there, said I want to assure the muslims of the world that we have lost to India gallantly fightingly.

This is the attitude of Pakis .

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Aamir Ali the clown writes: “As long as India continues its illegal suppression and occupation of Kashmir, there will be a response from the Kashmiris.”

We will think about it, as soon as Pakistan ends its illegal suppression and occupation of Balochistan, Azad Kashmir and Sindh. Bangladesh managed to get out of Pakistan’s brutal grip. Now it is time for the other provinces to be freed.

In India, due to a well settled democratic set up, big decisions like creating new states out of existing ones, or allowing for state autonomy or independence have to be approved by vote in the publicly elected parliament and by the people. I understand that in the land of Pakistan, no law exists excepting for namesake positions like the President, Prime Minister etc and the whole thing is run by mullahs managing your intelligence and military. There no one has to be consulted for anything. All it takes is one mad guy at the top to make whatever decision that suits him. We have a process to go through in India and you are not familiar with such things. So be patient, you will soon have to feel for your Islamic brothers in independent Balochistan, Sindhu Desh and Azad Kashmir. Decide who will be your closest and give up your wasted life for them.

 

@rajeev,
Jammu & Kashmir have been very quiet places for the time being. Most likely due to all the incidents that are occurring in Pakistan. Those from J&K that are Pro-Pak are keeping their mouths shut until such time when they can carry on yelling AZAD, AZAD! However, J&K can never function as a country on its own because it does not have good infastructure which India is currently building”
- Posted by bulletfish

-In their hearts, most Kashmiris in India know that living in India is the safest bet for them. This has been expressed by some Kashmiri bloggers, giving good reasons. On a Pakistani forum, I heard a Kashmiri from POK–now livinmg in Malyasia–telling Pakistanis that Azad Kashmir is not really Azad and is ruled by Punjabis and Sindhis. He was making comparisons of POK to Kashmir India and was wishing to be in India. This blogger at somepoint wrote a letter to the governor of J&K for applying for Engg course in an Indian University. That guy in fact got the reply from the governor–but in negative obviously due to political scenario. But he was all praise for the infrastructure development in Kashmir India–the money which Indian govt is spending there. Kashmiris are aware. But Pakistani bloggers were responding to it by dragging religion into it and bringing that Muslim brotherhood scenario as usual. Young educated progressive Kashmiris are the hope since Allahu Akbar is not a panacea for all ills. Now we have also seen the reports that Kashmiris are serving in Indian Army–and serving proudly. A person who wishes Kashmiris well will wish terrorism being stopped and Kashmiris living in India. Other 2 scenarios-with Pak is not viable and Independent Kashmir will be a still birth.

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@As long as India continues its illegal suppression and occupation of Kashmir, there will be a response from the Kashmiris.”
- Posted by Aamir Ali
–Blah Blah….Aamir, go fish.
“Since the so-called peace process delivered nothing to Pakistan,
–you always want the world to give you something. And BTW what were your expectations?
“i think its a good idea if “moral and political support” is resumed to our Kashmiri brethren.”
–Really, dangerous game you are suggesting and calling Kashmiris your brethren–you are their biggest enemy. Leave them alone.

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@Mauryan, Umair, Aamir Ali

The U.S. said recently in a news paper that the ISI cannot be trusted by the U.S., please read below:

“U.S. Gen. David Petraeus said that he had discussed reports of ISI complicity with the Taliban in his recent discussions with its chief, Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and would continue to do so.

“There are accusations, frankly, some when you dig into them seem to be more ambiguous than on the surface but some of them are not,” Petraeus said, referring to alleged ISI-Taliban cooperation. ”

Response, it is quite clear that if things don’t go the way of the U.S., in the long run, it intends to shift its failures to Pakistan’s ISI, since the ISI is still playing the two-faced double-dealing spy agency is keeping its Taliban as strategic assets.

The U.S. will smash Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore in any confrontation. Before this, they will move the entire fifth fleet to the Indian ocean and they will systematically cruise missile Pakistan until it is crippled and will take years to put back together. If the U.S. does not get co-operation, they will find all blame on Pakistan.

If Pakistan decides to nuke the U.S. fifth fleet, in such a scenario, like I said earlier, as soon as Pakistan uses a nuke, Pakistan can count down its days to its final destruction.

Even now, forces like Sen. Levin do not want to give Pakistan any more money. Law makers in the U.S. will call for the dismantling of Pakistan, if all the Billions thrown at it show no results.

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Global watcher writes:
“The U.S. will smash Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore in any confrontation.”

Yeah sure, only if the US chooses confrontation with Pakistan in first place. But atleast Americans are not stupid like you Indians, they know the Pakistani power and dont mess with us. Americans have too many problems with Pakistan, they know ISI double games but they never threaten to attack Pakistan. They rather engage with Pakistan and play ball. They know it is a dangerous game messing with nuclear powers like Pakistan, though Iraq and Afghanistan were an easy game for them.
Learn a thing or two from Americans, I always hear only Indians threatening Pakistan with war.

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Global watcher
Pakistan will smash New Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata in any confrontation.

Also, you must be aware of Pakistan naval capability with French and German Agosta B Submarines and warships equipped with C-802 anti-ship missiles any fleet nearing the Karachi naval bases positionning to launch cruise misslie strike on Pakistan mainland will be confronted. Yet, with Pakistan’s own missile capability and (SAM) Surface to air missiles like ANZA MK-1, MK-2 stinger type technology an airstrike is not going to be as easy.

One more thing I feel again and again through your comments that Indians have two main misunderstandings regarding Pakistan’s nuclear weapons:
1.Pakistani nukes are controlled by Americans.
2.Pakistan cannot use nukes in case of war because Pakistanis will be afraid of a counterstrike.

Bullshi*, Pakistan doesnt believe in No-First strike, Pakistan possesses second strike capability,i,e. absorbing a nuclear strike and retaliating with a nuclear strike of its own. Pakistan nukes are safe and ready to be used as and when the need arises, there must remain no illusion and this policy is crystal clear.

I hate to use the N word and getting into hypotheticals, but you need to be reminded again and again.

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Umair,

will you please stop bragging about your precious forces and deal with your own country.

UMAIR WROTE:
Pakistan naval capability with French and German Agosta B Submarines and warships equipped with C-802 anti-ship missiles any fleet nearing the Karachi naval bases positionning to launch cruise misslie strike on Pakistan mainland will be confronted. Yet, with Pakistan’s own missile capability and (SAM) Surface to air missiles like ANZA MK-1, MK-2 stinger type technology an airstrike is not going to be as easy.

HOW IS ALL THIS GOING TO HELP YOU AGAINST THE TALIBAN?

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Umair,

You should really stop mas***bating your nukes while reading or watching ISI. You will go blind.

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Bullshi*, Pakistan doesnt believe in No-First strike, @Pakistan possesses second strike capability,i,e. absorbing a nuclear strike and retaliating with a nuclear strike of its own. Pakistan nukes are safe and ready to be used as and when the need arises, there must remain no illusion and this policy is crystal clear.”
- Posted by Umair

I wish you have this fire in your belly for civil purposes and development of Pakistan.

@I hate to use the N word
–That’s a progress.

@One more thing I feel again and again through your comments that Indians have two main misunderstandings regarding Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.
1.Pakistani nukes are controlled by Americans.
2.Pakistan cannot use nukes in case of war because Pakistanis will be afraid of a counterstrike.

—These 2 misunderstandings by Indians are shared by many around the globe.

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@Umair,

You feel so strongly impassioned about your NxKes. It is a pity that you don’t have that shame passion against fighting Extremist Islam.

Just remember one thing Umair…Brahmos, Brahmos, Brahmos, India has far more than 100 of them, more than enough to catch all your Nxkes while they still in Apogee. OH..I forgot, they will be dropped by your 30 year old F-16 technology. While the F-16 can fly at max 1.1- 1.25 with its Nxkes, just don’t forget, if Indians help invent the American Tomahawk Cruise missile, just remember that India itself of capable of far more better development, speed, accuracy and count than your F-16 junk.

There is no military parity with India. India will be safe, despite any attempt of first launch by Pak. First launch by Pak, will be suicide by Pakistan. Isn’t suicide haraam???!?! Please put your sxxxxde vest in the closet.

Long live Mukhtara Mai!

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Tell you what Global watcher, you always try to engage in futile discussion and finding ways to malign Pakistan.
You stated US will attack Pakistani cities, reminded of Pakistan’s nuclear capability now you are stating F-16s are junk and where does Mukhtara Mai come from!

YOU DAMN LOOSER GET A LIFE!
Pakistan bashing is all you are doing here. Can you contribute something positive? atleast Rajeev posts some links indicating he has a reading/learning habit.

what will your next post state? hmmm let me guess, ISI and Pakistani Army collaboration with Taliban!

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Umair,

Good! Harness all that anger to fight extremist Islam. That is the core problem at the center of all the issues Pakistan has!

I don’t need to malign Pakistan, Pakistan maligns itself by its actions everyday. I only speak the truth and you say “Malign”.

Umair, I will give you staight talk. Fight Radical Islam and give up the sick animosity with India. Then there will be a level playing field to discuss peace, co-operation, diplomatic ties.

You pro-military guys don’t have the guts, courage or the balls to take the punishing fight to the door steps of Radical Mosques and Madrasas. I don’t see any huge high-level World news shattering events rooting out Radical Islam in Pakistan. You military guys are just good for talk and politics and extorting cash and weapons from the U.S. and talking a big game against India.

As I said before, your useless Faujis, and overbloatingly large, expensive, useless army should be used for farming food and growing your economy.

Instead Pakistan is burning and tearing through the free handouts of cash and using it to shoot rocks and sand in the mountains and claiming any collateral damage as victorious attacks on the Taliban, how laughable.

Everytime those helicopters lift off the ground, they should come back with a huge victory against the Taliban.

Show us a punishing defeat of the Taliban the LeT, JuD and complete dismantling of the Strategic Proxy Jihadi armies, constantly being breastfed by the ISI and Pak Military to one day unleash on India.

Until that happens, Pakistan is not serious and playing a dangerous game.

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Global watcher writes: “If Pakistan decides to nuke the U.S. fifth fleet, in such a scenario, like I said earlier, as soon as Pakistan uses a nuke, Pakistan can count down its days to its final destruction.”

Good news Global watcher! In the G20 summit today, President Obama and Putin have come forward to work on nuclear disarmament and the steps to be taken towards that. Though this was an economic summit, Obama took the first step forward. He definitely is a great leader.

I’d love to see India join Obama’s campaign and disarm itself and the other countries. If the whole world gets rid off the nukes, it would be a great human achievement. Countries like Pakistan, North Korea and Iran will be made to follow the global move.

 

Umair wrote:
…finding ways to malign Pakistan.

-since when does anyone need to find ways to malign Pakistan when Pakistan is doing that perfectly to itself.

Umair wrote:
…reminded of Pakistan’s nuclear capability now you are stating F-16s are junk and where does Mukhtara Mai come from!

-your nukes are no deterrent because if you use them the world will tear Pakistan to pieces and it will remain a pariah in history books.

Umair, you never answer any question that are put directly to you. Is that because you believe yourself to be above them like a feudal lord? On a different blog I rebetted EVERY statement you made in a list (cricket, moutains, nukes, economics, rule of law…etc) and you still answer back with ISI and nukes. You ran out of responses months ago.

Your F-16s are junk. You want to buy Chinese fighter jets, but that has been set back because of engine trouble. The Chinese tried to ‘copy’ a Russian made engine. Even after 20 years of development, it failed. Pakistan had placed an order for 40 of these jets. Russian has even refused to sell its SU-33s to China because they copy the engines. I hope Pakistan keeps hold of the receipt.

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bulletfish:

Fighting Falcon F-16 C/D Black 52 models joined Pakistan Air Force recently. The Bush Administartion resumed F-16 sales to Pakistan, the earlier version were upgraded by PAF. F-16s are modified to carry a tactical nuclear weapon and they are superior to MiG 29s and SU 30 Flankers which have a larger airframe and lower manouverability. F-16s conduct all manouvers with afterburners on. Here is a video of Wing Commander Haseeb Paracha, Officer Commanding of No. 11 Squadron of PAF carrying out different aerobatic manouvers on his F-16 over Constitution avenue Islamabad on Pakistan day 23 March 2007, these manouvers include loop, steep turn, Cuban eight, Cloverleaf, maximum performance turn, Aileron Rolls and vertical rolls.

Pakistan Airforce -F16- PAF Fighter Jet Air Display Islamabad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZePBsq-Ec LE

Pakistani F-16s are being upgraded to Block 52 configuration, new fighters are joining PAF being flown in from the US and by 2012 we would have a strength of 70 F-16 Fighting Falcons, moreover our pilots are the best trained. My father served in Pakistan Air Force for more than 25 years and was an armament expert of bombs, missiles, rockets, sidewinder missiles and machine guns mounted on the wings. He used to deploy the weapons on the wings of the fighter jets and send the pilots to test their weapons on the air ranges and get their inputs later. My dad worked on F-7, F-6, Mirage, Hunter and Hawk air crafts and is a veteran of 1971 Indo-Pak war.

Pakistan manufactures and sells the K-8 Jet trainer aircraft to atleast 8 Air Forces around the world. Pakistan is jointly manufacturing JF-17s with China which are superior jet fighters. Atleast I can argue with you on this subject with full authority.

Next time when you call Pakistani F-16s a junk, you must know these are these form the frontline core of Pakistan Air Force and are formidable aircraft flown by best trained pilots. They can beat any world class enemy in a dog fight.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJgmsZsF 3g

Four more F-16s join Pakistan Air Force – July 28, 2008
PAF Base Mushaf(Sargodha, Pakistan).

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Umair, my dear fellow. For all your patriotic talk about the weaponary of the Pakistani Forces. Even they cannot stop the Taliban on Pakistani soil.

The ‘Talebanisation’ of Pakistan (BBC news, 04/04/2009)

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Global Watcher
“@Umair,
You feel so strongly impassioned about your NxKes. “
—That one day the Pakis will ‘refuse’ to part with it & blast it on their own selves…lol

Long live Mukhtara Mai!

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Same old stuff happening since last 60 years.

 

@Same old stuff happening since last 60 years.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

–Can you say that louder and clearer to the makers of Pakistanis policies?

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@Rajeev

Pakistani policymakers are not the ones who created the Kashmir problem or who keep a 500K occupation army in Kashmir.

 

@Pakistani policymakers are not the ones who created the Kashmir problem or who keep a 500K occupation army in Kashmir.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

–Yes they do. Tribes and armymen intruded to forcibly takeover Kashmir in 1948 than waiting for UN resolution to ve followed that PM Nehru UNILATERALY propsed. Kashmir did not have army/paramiliytary force until Pakistan started Terrorism that led to 500K Hindu’s exodus (killings and other unpleasant stuff). That’s when 500K Army moved in.

Round and round we go……..

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How long will India play tricks with Kashmiris?

Leave my Kashmir, We want freedom!

 

Shame on India!

 

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