Are the Pakistan Taliban charting an independent course?

March 31, 2009

For some weeks now there have been persistent reports about Taliban leader Mullah Omar, asking fighters in the Pakistani Taliban to stop carrying out attacks there and instead focus on Afghanistan where Western forces are being bolstered.

The reclusive one-eyed leader had in December sent emissaries to ask leaders of the Pakistani Taliban to settle their differences, scale down activities in Pakistan and help mount a spring offensive against the build-up of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, a report in the New York Times said as recently as last week.

But the attacks haven’t stopped. If anything they have become even more brazen, with the Sri Lankan cricket team attacked in Lahore earlier this month and then Monday’s rampage through a police academy, again in Lahore. Between these two major attacks,  there has a been suicide bombing in a mosque in the northwest near the Afghan border, a car bombing outside Peshawar and a blast in Rawalpindi, turning March into one of the bloodiest months in recent times.

And on Tuesday, Pakistani Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in a rather rare move, claimed responsibiity for the storming of the police training centre in Lahore, destroying whatever was left of Mullah Omar’s reported calls for cooling off in Pakistan.

Is Mehsud going off-message ? Or is he setting another course?

Mehsud told a Reuters reporter that the attack on the police academy was to avenge U.S. missile strikes by unmanned aircraft. These Predator drone raids have been focused on the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) including South Waziristan, his base.  According to U.S. army officials these attacks have taken a toll, accounting for a significant  number of senior al Qaeda figures.

Mehsud has threatened more attacks, including in Washington which last week announced a $5 million reward for information leading to his location or arrest. So what really is behind the stepped up attacks inside Pakistan? Are the Pakistani Taliban, an off-spring of the Afghan Taliban, falling instead into an ever deeper thrall of al Qaeda? 

By most assessments, Al Qaeda is encouraging a Taliban  insurgency in Pakistani tribal lands bordering Afghanistan, and  seeking to destabilise the Muslim nation of 170 million people.  But these attacks have taken place in Lahore deep in Punjab, which is really the heart of the Pakistani establishment.

And they come just as U.S. President Barack Obama has made Pakistan the central front in his war on Islamist militancy in the region, prompting some to wonder if the militants’ game plan is to draw the U.S. deeper into Pakistan.

Monday’s attack in the Punjab capital should prompt concern about the internal stability of Pakistan, writes Nathan Hodge in Danger Room, pointing out it came less than a month after the Sri Lankan cricket team was attacked in the same city.

“While Pakistani forces marked the recapture of the facility with celebratory gunfire, a serious question looms: Could the United States become more directly embroiled in Pakistan’s internal affairs?”

Obama told an interviewer over the weekend that there were no plans to deploy combat troops inside Pakistan in the hunt for al Qaeda.

U.S. strategy in Pakistan is supposed to centre on a significant boost in civilian aid, along with continued military assistance and the occasional U.S. drone attack. “But when you say you’re going after al Qaeda and its allies in the region, you are potentially expanding the roster of militant groups on the “to do” list,” Hodge says.

[Photos of police with a suspected militant involved in Lahore police centre attack and an Afghan refugee protester outside a conference on Afghanistan at The Hague]

Comments

@Mauryan,

I am also in favor of helping Pakistan economically and co-operating on many levels on the following pre-conditions:

-Remove hatred towards India as enemy from all forms of Literature in Pakistan, from Madrasa to University

-Cease and desist all Pak Army and ISI connections of any kind with any Taliban, with any Extremist Islamic Elements, especially Kashmiri militants

-Destroy LeT, JuD, etc

-Shrink Pakistani army, so as to remove the parasitically huge economic footprint left on the heads of the Pakistani’s, so get the Fauji’s to grow food for the Pakistani’s to better weather food shortages

-Change Pakistani constitution to make all non-muslims legally equal of any Pakistani muslims, in every respect

-Denuclearize wholeheartedly, no exceptions. Pakistan does not need nukes against India, India has them to keep nuclear parity with China. Pakistan should be more weary of an American invasion.

In return, India will keep the promise of no first attack on Pakistan. India would provide all means of civil and social growth as it has been doing in Afghanistan.

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Mauryan
I understand your concerns, let me tell you FYI that Pakistan Chief justice has summoned the girl into court and ordered the local Police in SWAT and NWFP Provicial government to come up with an explanation.
The poor girl is not helpless, she is a Pakistani citizen and her countrymen marched and fought for independent judicial system in Pakaistn. That system has already begun the process to address the injustice done to her. Lets see what Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry has to say when the girl is brought to the court, the accused will get punished.

Lastly, Mauryan we Pakistanis dont need anyones help. We stand on our own feet, we dont need clutches. The world need Pakistan’s help. The war on terror might be going on many fronts. But ultimately it will be in Pakistan if it is won or lost. Be rest assured, Pakistan is not a threat to any other country, nor we will allow any country to threaten us. Pakistan will never allow any millitant gangs to challenge Pakistan and launch attacks on others.

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Umair writes: Mauryan we Pakistanis dont need anyones help. We stand on our own feet, we dont need clutches. The world need Pakistan’s help. The war on terror might be going on many fronts. But ultimately it will be in Pakistan if it is won or lost. Be rest assured, Pakistan is not a threat to any other country, nor we will allow any country to threaten us. Pakistan will never allow any millitant gangs to challenge Pakistan and launch attacks on others.”

Umair, again you are in denial. Pakistan is relying on American financial aid, Saudi aid, Chinese military help and so on. Pakistan alone will not be able to handle the menace that is threatening its integrity and survival. There was a religious practice called “Thuggee” in India and it lasted many centuries. It had spread so much into the system that people had accepted it as a part of the system. The English word “Thug” is derived from this term. “Thug” means to deceive. In the name of Goddess Kali, people engaged in strangulating innocent travelers during a particular season every year. People who were normal otherwise, participated in it as a religious duty. It had turned people blood thirsty and it continued even during the initial stages of the British empire. It took a courageous Englishman named William Sleeman, who went after this cult and helped wipe it out completely. Thousands of criminals were captured and put to death. Some of these criminals had killed countless number of innocent people. In the name of religion people should be careful not to engage in certain acts. Religion is a very sacred thing for ordinary people and if they take these acts to their hearts, then the acts become justified and become accepted. What the Taliban and Al Qaeda are doing are precisely the same. And they are eroding sanity in people. When economy is bad, this erosion gets stronger and backwardness sets in and blinds people completely. Do not say Pakistan does not need help. You need external help. By yourself you will not be able to do it. Those who are controlling your country (ISI, military etc) have strong allegiance to these extremist organizations. Your country needs our help man, don’t deny it.

 

Umair wrote:
we Pakistanis dont need anyones help. We stand on our own feet, we dont need clutches. The world need Pakistan’s help.

In rebuttal I must state that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has formally asked for money from the IMF on 2 occasions in less than 20 years. The president of the Islamic Rebuplic of Pakistan, Mr. Zardari, has travelled to numerous countries (China and Saudi Arabia) asking for loans and oil defferments. The president of the USA, Mr. Obama, has pledged $7.5 billion over the next 5 years in military and financial aid to the Islamic Rebuplic of Pakistan.

Umair, even if you state that Pakistanis do not need help then please tell President Obama that he can keep the money.

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Global watcher:
“I am also in favor of helping Pakistan economically and co-operating on many levels on the following pre-conditions:”

My friend keep your economic help with you, we will keep our nukes. We dont need your help even if its unconditional. Pakistan Army has its modernization plans on course, ISI has no chance of being dismantled, Pakistani nukes kept under strict command and control, India must keep the option of first attack on Pakistan by all means, but must be aware of Pakistan’s counter attack capabilities.

Global watcher Pakistan will never let India dominate the region Pakistan will always be a challenge to India. We are not Bangladesh Afghanistan or Sri Lanka

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Ladies and gentlemen,
You guys have good discussion going on, but please do not mix acts due to traditions with Islam. We all knew Muslims and Hindu lived together for long time and in current Pakistan there are many people with ancestories shared with Sikh and Hindus (look at last/family names of many pakistani parlimentarians). So there are many acts committed by people due to traditions but they named them after religion.

If you look at the basic teachings of major religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism), they all teaches peace and kindness, but in order to provide justice you need to have tough punishments so that no one dare to commit crimes, but at same time Islam always teaches that Allah/God likes forgiveness the most.

As far as acts of Talibans are concern, unfortunately they only implemented one part of Islam and didnt not implemented social, economics and governance part of Islam. Plus Taliban are not the true flag carrier of Islam, since many of the talibans are the orphans of Afghan war, who were abundand by US/Saudi Arabia after the disintegration of USSR.

Since these were orphans with no where to go, they ended up in Madrasas (best welfare center for people, where these people get food, shelter and education, all for free). As Pakistan does not have government run welfare system such as EI etc in west, so Madrasas is a place for poor people. Now most of the instructors in these madrasas are people with similar background and education (not many real Ulema), thus lack of knowledge of Islam resulted in setting bad presedence.

If you guys look at the history of Afghan war, you will know that after USSR disintegration, afghans were abundans by all parties, and resulted in power war amongs different afghan war fighters (ethnicities). Since foriegn aid for afghan refugees (3 millions in pakistan) was stopped, afghanistan was ruined and in fighting of warlords made it even more insecure, so no single refugeee was willing to leave pakistan, plus more refugees started to come to pakistan due to infighting.

Now Pakistan (not an economic power) have no option but to find a way on its own to stabalize Afghanistan so that these refugees could leave. therefore, with the help of ISI, pakistan encouraged these people to go to Afghanistan (it was done during PPP a secular party government). And they successfully controlled most of the Afghanistan, but in a war torn country, where there was no infrastructure, no jobs, no institutions, it was not possible for them to control Afghanistan easily (look despite full economic and military help from NATO, US and West, Karzai still can’t rule more than 5 % of Afghanistan), so do not blame Taliban (uneducated, helpless people).

Some of you are talking about growing opium, what would you expect them to grow in a country where you have nothing – at least from opium they could get significant cash. If you blame them for growing opium, why do not you blame those who buy it and and use it. If organized countries like west, if they could stop their nobel, civilized people from using Opium, I do not think Afghans will grow it.

 

@I didnt meant to start a war between Hinduism and Islam. I am just wondering how you read word by word and reply to each sentence. You are devoting so much time to prove what?
-Umair’s post
–In my message I said I am not bragging and did not put the development stage that a Hindu goes through, like you did–that tells nothing. Did you expect bloggers to read your message like a discourse or expected a response? I am not ready for a dose of religion–any kind of religion. This discussion is more relevant for the FAITH blog. Let us discuss the points than getting into the time you and I create for the Reuters.

@That Hinduism is superior to Islam? Ok so be it, it doesnt matter, do you find hindu temples in every single country and hindus in every single country? no.
Send me a list of famous hindu converts, lets compare hinduism and Islam and we’ll know which is the vast religion.
–Umair, by asking such questions are you not trying to prove the superiority of Islam, but in turn are blaming me? Think before you write. In any case, what will the stone structures (temples) prove, it takes a week to demolish them–you and I both know Mughal history. Do you acknowdge thousands of religious structures were demolished as the Islam spread? Now that is a relevent point and will be happy to hear how you handle this one. Also, it is quite understandable that new temples of all religions will be found in the West migrants of multiple religions live there. In Muslim countries including Pakistan, the construction of non-Muslim structures is banned due to religious intolerance (to me this is BS but to you this is “Islamic”–there is a difference what “(un)Islamic” can mean. Idea of religion in mind is more imprtant than stone structure but I can help you if you are unconvinced or are we getting into childish conversation of counting such religious temples now? here I will point that you are more into idol worship since having a temple (a stone structure) is that important to you.

Umair: Central idea of many Muslims, especially with you, is boasting the spread of Islam–counting the # of people with Islam. Instead wish that the progress of given #s is above international average (quality) . The #s without quality becomes a burden on the planet. Also, you are right that Muslims are increasing in West. But Muslims in West are not thinking the way you think. The Muslim thinkers are finding ways to live in harmony with other religions since that is the way to be. Read some books or have a glance at what the relevence of the spread of islam–problems and the ways to overcome them. 1. The victim mentality central to your being will hurt the Muslims–as the thinkers feel. This is the mother of all troubles. 2. Religious pularism is a must and must be accepted. Both these are problems here. It is stupidity of the highest order to expect that 1000yrs down the line everyone will be Muslim. That is unnatural. # game is just saying “Poori ki poori kayanat pur hama kabza hoga” (we will rule the universe). West vs Islam (problem) will precipitate and the Muslims with new vision (mostly Europians) will play a central role in mediating solving this crisis. The old stinking ways of Muslims will be counterproductive and will delay the course. Nothing personal here.

Peace!

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@Be it Communism, Corporate Capitalism, Leninism, Marxism, Nazism, hinduism, I can tell you Islam is a complete code of life among all.
-posted by Umair

Umair: Also, by saying the above are you not trying to prove the superiority of Islam? This is a big rate limiting step of progress for you.

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Umair Wrote:
“yea yea yea and the Swdish, Germans, Canadians, British all stamp their passports. You would find them working, living and studying every where in the world.”

Haha What a joke, I cant stop laughing, Do you know how many rejections Muslims get from these embassies. Study the data first.

You sound like these countries needs pakis for work ? on the contrary pakis need to work/study/live in west coz they dont get enough opportunities in their own country. There is no security in Pakistan, from nowhere another paki run into the crowd and blow himself yelling “Allah hu Akbar.

Muslims are often called Mondays in western countries, you know why ?

BECAUSE NOBODY LIKE MONDAYS.

haha pathetic pakis.

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Flogging and stoning to death in Muslim countries.

http://wgaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/75-year -old-widow-to-be-flogged-1oo5.html
“”"A 75-year-old widow has been sentenced to 40 lashes and four months imprisonment in Saudi Arabia for meeting two young men, who were strangers to her and were reportedly bringing her bread.”"”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew s/article-1081214/Somali-girl-pleaded-me rcy-Islamists-stoned-death-raped.html
“13-Yr old Somali girl ‘pleaded for mercy’ before Islamists stoned her to death for being raped”

“Eight women and a man face stoning in Iran for adultery”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul  /21/iran.humanrights

“”1996-MAR: Afghanistan: Some strict interpretations of Islamic law calls for the death penalty for any woman found in the company of a man other than a close family member. Sexual activity is assumed to have happened. A woman, Jamila, was found guilty of trying to leave the country with such a man. She was caught and stoned to death on 1996-MAR-28.”"

And forced marital sex (rape) legal in Afghanistan

Facts relevent to the on-going discussion.

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Flogging and stoning to death in Muslim countries.

http://wgaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/75-year -old-widow-to-be-flogged-1oo5.html
“””A 75-year-old widow has been sentenced to 40 lashes and four months imprisonment in Saudi Arabia for meeting two young men, who were strangers to her and were reportedly bringing her bread.”””

“13-Yr old Somali girl ‘pleaded for mercy’ before Islamists stoned her to death for being raped”

“”1996-MAR: Afghanistan: Some strict interpretations of Islamic law calls for the death penalty for any woman found in the company of a man other than a close family member. Sexual activity is assumed to have happened. A woman, Jamila, was found guilty of trying to leave the country with such a man. She was caught and stoned to death on 1996-MAR-28.””

And forced marital sex (rape) legal in Afghanistan

Facts relevent to the on-going discussion.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew s/article-1081214/Somali-girl-pleaded-me rcy-Islamists-stoned-death-raped.html
“13-Yr old Somali girl ‘pleaded for mercy’ before Islamists stoned her to death for being raped”

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Umair goes back to the tree top again: “Pakistan will never let India dominate the region Pakistan will always be a challenge to India. We are not Bangladesh Afghanistan or Sri Lanka”

I thought some glimpse of sanity came from you. Looks like you are too addicted to power and dominance. Realize that no one is trying to dominate others. Every country is trying to survive and progress. They get into conflicts when other countries either get into trouble themselves or drag them from behind. You can keep your nukes. India has matured and moved on. It is not a ruthless country like China. Do not make an enemy out of a country because of paranoia.

If you as an ordinary citizen can have such a venomous attitude, I can imagine how those who run your military and intelligence must be in their mindset. You have gone blind and are unable to see the fire that is spreading from inside your country. All I can say is good luck. But we will do everything from protecting us and making sure that the fire does not spread into our territory.

Just piling up weapons will not give any security. At some point, they will fall into the wrong hands and the wrong hands might well be uniformed officers.

India should look at creating minutemen like civilian units that can respond in keeping order and conducting rescue operations. I don’t think the security forces and police alone can do this. When they get busy, the minutemen will be able to step in and maintain law and order. We will need an enormous investment in anti-terrorism drills in schools, colleges etc. It is like living in an earth quake zone. They have to have our citizens prepared and be ready to fight the terrorists who are unleashed into the middle. We have a nation of lunatics in our vicinity.

 

Umair,

Here is one more for you – from a respectable newspaper from your own country. Realize that there is nothing wrong in admitting about the malignant cancer that has begun to eat your country. Hope you and others will do it before it is too late.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/the- threat-is-real-hs

 

Just to bring the topic back in line about the Taliban charting an independence course; this news just reported:

BBC News:
A powerful explosion has rocked the heart of Pakistan’s capital Islamabad, reports say.

These Taliban can stay in Pakistan for all I care. I will not allow them to cross the border!

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The latest attack in Islamabad by jehadis, islamic fundamentalist and followers of radical islam, for them all the killings in the name of islam is justified, is a grim reminder of mayhem caused by same Pakistani islamic radicals in Mumbai.

Pakistan is now getting taste of its own medicines, those who sit in glass houses donot throw stones on others’ houses .

It is my advise to all Pakistanis, you still have time, you must come out of denial mode , accept the realities, Pakistanis must clean their house and get rid of terrorists living on their soil.

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Umair wrote

……………..we Pakistanis dont need anyones help. We stand on our own feet, we dont need clutches. The world need Pakistan’s help. The war on terror might be going on many fronts. But ultimately it will be in Pakistan if it is won or lost. Be rest assured, Pakistan is not a threat to any other country, nor we will allow any country to threaten us. Pakistan will never allow any millitant gangs to challenge Pakistan and launch attacks on others……………

Perfect. Super. How do we get there though? Whats the gameplan?

 

@all Bloggers,

Thank you for summing up Radical Islam.

Give Radical Islam not one inch. Crush it from every side with overwhelming and punishing sledgehammer might.

Protect the free world and democracy and human rights.

May moderate muslims make up their mind and join the fight against irrationality, barbarism, backwardness, and most of all EVIL.

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Sanjiv,

Dude, you’ve to come up with better posts. This blog is a virtual dogfight zone rife with allegations and counter-allegations.

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Umair wrote:

we Pakistanis dont need anyones help. We stand on our own feet, we dont need clutches.

-Bulls**t! GO and polish begging bowl!

The world need Pakistan’s help. The war on terror might be going on many fronts. But ultimately it will be in Pakistan if it is won or lost.

-YOU created this threat to cause proxy wars in India. Now it has turned and is a threat to YOU.

Be rest assured, Pakistan is not a threat to any other country, nor we will allow any country to threaten us.

-If YOU are not a threat to anyone then how come you consider India as YOUR number one enemy and all the while the terrorist attacks that occurred during March 2009 had nothing to do with India, but with the groups YOU created?

Pakistan will never allow any millitant gangs to challenge Pakistan and launch attacks on others.

-Again, bullsh**t! Pakistan has created numerous groups to wage war in Kashmir that has caused a lot of collateral damage. Not forgetting the LeT attack on Mumbai that targetted ‘foreigners’ and killed over 100 people. Followed by the cycle of denial by Pakistan only to admit later.

Umair, I know you do not drink alcohol, but you are drunk on denial. Time for you to sober up. Read: The ‘Talebanisation’ of Pakistan on BBC News (4th April 2009).

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An analogy of Pakistan today is that of a human body parts of which are cancerous. Whether the healthy cells can overcome the cancerous cells is for the healthy ones to decide. After using and harbouring terrorist groups against others it sounds hollow to claim victim status. Pakistani establishment has become past master at manipulating Americans to milk them of dollars. This is why the tribal areas and Afghanistan will remain forever disturbed. Pakistan has become a bottomless pit for American dollars. Naive Americans are only throwing good money after bad. If Pakistan self-destructs then contingency plans of USA, India and Israel must be already in place to prevent the strategic nuclear assets from going toxic.

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Pakistan has got to realize that the bigger threat is the Taliban and it’s fundamentalist views. However, in seeking an alliance with Pakistan against terrorists, America is courting a Muslim nation whose military is fixated on India.

I have a feeling that THIS is what the Pakistani Elite want:
USA to help solve the Kashmir problem. For USA to put pressure on India to leave Kashmir, then Pakistanis would gladly help USA against Taleban.

Its more like a typical tendency to link every problem in the world to the Kashmir issue. It sounds like this: if you don’t help Pakistan in Kashmir we will keep hurting ourselves and may even shoot ourselves in head. So, the USA should help Pakistan gain Kashmir when the same groups it used against India are now attacking Pakistan.

Yet Pakistan and the Taliban have made themselves the greatest existential threat to the United States, NATO, Europe and the world at large.

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I am flabbergasted by Umair’s comment.Do you work for the ISI or are you so lame!
We should understand the problem. All these basta*d generals heading the security establishments n the government want to keep us in this state if flux.
We need to rid ourselves of this excess baggage and fight the Taliban and the militancy causing insecurity all around.I am a realist.We have fought India more than 3 times and we think we can get Kashmir. This is what the army makes us believe and yet each time they have conceded more land. All I am advocating is to put an end to all such warfare and let both the nations forget this issue.I think Pakistan for one should do this.Open the borders with India even if they dont reciprocate( I am sure they will) and then people to people contact will clear the misunderstanding. We need to finish this proxy war first because it is bleeding us. Therefore resources can be directed to where they are needed.The military,elite etc have other ideas.They detest progress and love the status quo. Pakistanis lets rise beyond ourselves and forget Kashmir because reflecting on it would imply 60 or more years of war! Lets avoid deja vu!!

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@We should understand the problem. All these basta*d generals heading the security establishments n the government want to keep us in this state if flux.
- Posted by Suleman Maniya,Goteborg,Sweden

–Suleman Maniya, I have been reading ur posts. I think Pakistanis like you are doing a great favor to Pakistan, India and Kashmiris and all will progress because of this. But this is irrespective of ur views on Kashmir.

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Suleiman maniya writes: “Pakistanis lets rise beyond ourselves and forget Kashmir because reflecting on it would imply 60 or more years of war!”

Bravo! Suleiman, I am not saying this because I am an Indian. War is not worth it. It is good to have a military and weapons. But that’s about it. Countries should focus on growth and compete on that front. Pakistan could easily have competed with India on IT. It was an American ally right from the start and could have exploited that relationship to bring American industries and research institutions, built relationships between American and Pakistani universities, modernized in every way and become like Taiwan. Your leaders missed such a golden opportunity. Pakistan could have had semiconductor fabs in Lahore, Karachi etc. If the Americans had poured money into Pakistan in the 60s and 70s, your country probably would have been protected like a NATO country. American missiles would have been kept in Pakistan, facing the USSR. And no one would have dared enter Afghanistan. India was mired in socialistic swamp during that time under Indira Gandhi and her cronies. They deliberately kept India socialistic and poor in order to keep power to themselves. India had no chance then and Pakistan had everything. But your generals went after weapons. Let us hope your people win this time and turn Pakistan around. But I am afraid that you have more people like Umair and Aamir Ali in your population.

Your leaders went blind trying to bully India. See how much contempt does? It is not too late.

 

Suleman Maniya Goteborg Sweden

I am sending an email attention to the military attache, I am sure they would trace you and figure out if you have got anything to do with RAW.

Embassy of Pakistan
Stockholm, Sweden
Karlavagen 65, 1st Floor
SE-114 49 STOCKHOLM
Tel +46-8-20 33 00
Fax +46-8-24 92 33

http://www.PakistanEmbassy.se
info@pakistanembassy.se
consular@pakistanembassy.se

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The B*stard pig from Sweden is calling names to Pakistan Army Generals, while we Pakistanis salute our men and women serving in the Armed forces for their resilience and professionalism. Here is a video i would like to share with all you guys:

Wana Olives: Pakistan Army and its role in the war on terror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayxBSd7Ob Ds

This award winning documentary is a testament to the will and bravery of the soldiers of the Pakistan Army, many of whom have sacrificed their lives.

The son of Pakistan Army Surgeon General Lt. Gen Shaheed(Martyred) Mushtaq Ahmed was my class fellow.
I saw a hand written card left on the grave of Major General Javed Sultan martyred in chopper crash in Waziristan. The card was by her daughter, innocent words, the writing told she was still school going girl.

We salute our fallen heroes, we salute the families, Islam says Shaheed never dies. All the martyrs are alive, we just cant see them.

End this war, bring our soldiers back from Waziristan. We are not the sand diggers of anyone, let the Americans fight with their enemies. this is not our war.

Pakistan Zindabad!

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“Pakistan army has threatened newspapers their advertisements would be stopped if journalists on their staff won’t stop writing about missing Baloch schoolteacher Zarina Marri, 23.”
“Major General Athar Abbas, director-general of the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), a public relations arm of the armed forces of Pakistan said that Marri was captive in a military torture cell and being used as a sex slave and comfort women.”

Umair Says-
“we Pakistanis salute our men and ‘women’ (Zarina Marri?) serving in the Armed forces for their resilience(whose?Zarina Marri’s?) and professionalism.(or r*peism?)”

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umair
“Mazhar Abbas, general secretary of the Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists, who said in an interview with Sweden based Radio Gwank that such barbaric atrocities are common in Pakistan.”

—Send this also to your ‘military attache’
-Embassy of Pakistan (add Attention: embassy of Global Terrorist, or else they’ll just ignore your mail as inconsequent ional )
Stockholm, Sweden
Karlavagen 65, 1st Floor
SE-114 49 STOCKHOLM
Tel +46-8-20 33 00
Fax +46-8-24 92 33

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Umair:
Your this drastic move of no eventual consequence against Suleman Maniya Goteborg Sweden is undoing LongMarch and raising questions on the real intent of Pakistan to move towards democracy where freedom of expression with a reason is allowed.

Obsession about RAW?
And now who is obsessed.

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Rajeev
Pakistan is at war, our heroes are dying unsung. We want an end to this senseless war, so do those in America, Canada. With every single soldier lost, justify to their family that they died to protect freedom. People like Suleman Maniya are casuing insults.

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Umair writes: “Pakistan is at war, our heroes are dying unsung. We want an end to this senseless war, so do those in America, Canada. With every single soldier lost, justify to their family that they died to protect freedom. People like Suleman Maniya are casuing insults.”

Pakistan has been at war with India ever since 1947. Unless you call it “peace time.” War by itself is senseless. So tell your jihadi brothers to drop their arms and go do farming. Yours are not the only soldiers dying. Every country has lost its soldiers. And you guys conveniently disowned your soldiers at Kargil, whom our soldiers buried with respect. Telling the truth does not become an insult.

 

@Rajeev
Pakistan is at war, our heroes are dying unsung. We want an end to this senseless war, so do those in America, Canada. With every single soldier lost, justify to their family that they died to protect freedom. People like Suleman Maniya are casuing insults.
- Posted by Umair
-Umair, I understand that. It is given soldiers are doing the job they are given. But are those soldiers not dying bec, of the short-term and long-term flawed policies of Pakistani Army/ISI/civil govt. Same thing as in Iraq war, US solidiers did the job they were given but Bush’s strategy was wrong. Since Zardari is not in control of Army, it is the Army who has to take the blame. In India, it will be the Indian politicians who will be blamed under such conditions. It is ur call, but I suggest if u care about soldiers life, u will Qn the army generals who decide.

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Umair Wrote:

“The B*stard pig from Sweden is calling names to Pakistan Army Generals”

Umair MIND YOUR LANGUAGE, Will you ?

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Pakistan is going through a very trying time.

It is a country that lives in a part of the world where China, Russia and India were the neighborhood bullies.

With the rise of Al Qaeda and the tit for tat response of “take no prisoners” by the US, the whole neighborhood has gone bully whack.

Pakistan has been outflanked in its efforts to boost the Taliban and the Indian strategy has borne fruit with its allies aspiring to control Afghanistan.

The frontier province was always a no man’s land. Pakistan’s control consisted on having the tribal chiefs on her side. This could continue as long as Pakistan was the toughest kid on the bloc. The tribal chiefs have
taken on the Americans and no longer need to bow to Pakistan or anyone else. They now believe that they control their own destiny and Pakistan is nothing but a pet of the US.

While the US has announced billions in aid, it will go to waste. US Aid is channeled through consultants and corrupt politicians and by the time it gets to the target, its worth is no more than that of that piece of shrapnel that started as a million dollar cruise missile and now lies in between the blown out limbs of the unsuspecting as they slept in their two dollar mud
house.

Pakistan’s civil movement holds promise but it must not be directed not at fighting a battle that, by its continuation, will destroy the country. Its
energy must be channeled into efforts towards building a civil and just society in Pakistan.

The best that the US can do is not to send billions into Pakistan but by leaving Pakistan and letting Pakistanis and the frontier men run their own lives. The US and Pakistani bombing of the tribal areas destroys the
village where these fearless frontier men have dwelled for hundreds of years. Having lost their homes these proud angry mountain men, whose pride demands that every death be avenged, are descending to the valleys and
cities of Pakistan and exacting revenge. How can you convince them that it is wrong to brazenly kill innocent civilians when they themselves have witnessed the wholesale deaths of their innocent family members by unseen (cowardly) drones?

The people of Afghanistan did not consider the US its enemy, Al Qaeda did. By attacking an entire swath of Afghanistan, the US now has made an entire population its enemy and turned ordinary Afghanis (and now frontier
Pakistanis) into Taliban.

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Hey if the Indians had not stolen Kashmir in 1948, there would be no problem in South Asia today. Similarly if the Indians had not supported the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and then later different factions of Mujahideen forces, there would be much less problems today.

If US can waste $1 trillion in Iraq and hundreds of billions in Afghanistan, it can send some dollars to Pakistan as well. At least in Pakistan’s case it is getting valuable cooperation in war on terror, a war Americans themselves helped create by promoting and funding Afghan jihad of the 1990′s

Finally to the fellow from Sweden who is maligning Pakistan Army, go to hell.

 

Baluchistan- Naa Insafi Kaa Tadarak, An Article on a Burning issue of Pakistan

Dear Fellows

The latest Article of Mohammad Khalid Rana (President of Pakistan Thinker
Forum) is Published on Voice of People (www.VofP.pk ).You may click the following link

http://www.vofp.pk/cms/?p=1296

to read the Article An Article on a Burning issue of Pakistan

Baluchistan- Naa Insafi Kaa Tadarak

Regards

 

To Aamir Ali:
@f US can waste $1 trillion in Iraq and hundreds of billions in Afghanistan, it can send some dollars to Pakistan as well.

-There is one thing that no one can take from an indsividual even if poor—self respect. Please have some. 60 yrs since birth and still begging. Buddy, there is not money plant forest in US.

@At least in Pakistan’s case it is getting valuable cooperation in war on terror,

-Really! Siphoning off the money to Taliban and Pakistani Punjabi terrorists to trouble Kashmiris and Indians and spending money on planes but not buying night vision goggles from opem market in Peshawar. The world is watching you very closely now.

@a war Americans themselves helped create by promoting and funding Afghan jihad of the 1990’s”
-If you had spine you could have said BIG NO, rather than helping them for $$$$$$$. Go read history–it was not 1990s.

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