Are the Pakistan Taliban charting an independent course?

March 31, 2009

For some weeks now there have been persistent reports about Taliban leader Mullah Omar, asking fighters in the Pakistani Taliban to stop carrying out attacks there and instead focus on Afghanistan where Western forces are being bolstered.

The reclusive one-eyed leader had in December sent emissaries to ask leaders of the Pakistani Taliban to settle their differences, scale down activities in Pakistan and help mount a spring offensive against the build-up of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, a report in the New York Times said as recently as last week.

But the attacks haven’t stopped. If anything they have become even more brazen, with the Sri Lankan cricket team attacked in Lahore earlier this month and then Monday’s rampage through a police academy, again in Lahore. Between these two major attacks,  there has a been suicide bombing in a mosque in the northwest near the Afghan border, a car bombing outside Peshawar and a blast in Rawalpindi, turning March into one of the bloodiest months in recent times.

And on Tuesday, Pakistani Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in a rather rare move, claimed responsibiity for the storming of the police training centre in Lahore, destroying whatever was left of Mullah Omar’s reported calls for cooling off in Pakistan.

Is Mehsud going off-message ? Or is he setting another course?

Mehsud told a Reuters reporter that the attack on the police academy was to avenge U.S. missile strikes by unmanned aircraft. These Predator drone raids have been focused on the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) including South Waziristan, his base.  According to U.S. army officials these attacks have taken a toll, accounting for a significant  number of senior al Qaeda figures.

Mehsud has threatened more attacks, including in Washington which last week announced a $5 million reward for information leading to his location or arrest. So what really is behind the stepped up attacks inside Pakistan? Are the Pakistani Taliban, an off-spring of the Afghan Taliban, falling instead into an ever deeper thrall of al Qaeda? 

By most assessments, Al Qaeda is encouraging a Taliban  insurgency in Pakistani tribal lands bordering Afghanistan, and  seeking to destabilise the Muslim nation of 170 million people.  But these attacks have taken place in Lahore deep in Punjab, which is really the heart of the Pakistani establishment.

And they come just as U.S. President Barack Obama has made Pakistan the central front in his war on Islamist militancy in the region, prompting some to wonder if the militants’ game plan is to draw the U.S. deeper into Pakistan.

Monday’s attack in the Punjab capital should prompt concern about the internal stability of Pakistan, writes Nathan Hodge in Danger Room, pointing out it came less than a month after the Sri Lankan cricket team was attacked in the same city.

“While Pakistani forces marked the recapture of the facility with celebratory gunfire, a serious question looms: Could the United States become more directly embroiled in Pakistan’s internal affairs?”

Obama told an interviewer over the weekend that there were no plans to deploy combat troops inside Pakistan in the hunt for al Qaeda.

U.S. strategy in Pakistan is supposed to centre on a significant boost in civilian aid, along with continued military assistance and the occasional U.S. drone attack. “But when you say you’re going after al Qaeda and its allies in the region, you are potentially expanding the roster of militant groups on the “to do” list,” Hodge says.

[Photos of police with a suspected militant involved in Lahore police centre attack and an Afghan refugee protester outside a conference on Afghanistan at The Hague]

Comments

Recent attack on plice training center in lahore is another staged drama..its really laughable that all terrorists who got in to the bulidings blew them selves up..with out harming any hostages !! and what a brilliant way to take revenge for killings of all those senior taliban leader by drones…even after 24hrs after the drama ended..nobody really seems to know how many terrorists were attacked..how many of them were killed and how many of them escaped !!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/79 73901.stm

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Talaban! Who are Talabans? Why they are Talaban? How they become Talaban? I think, we fail to ask these questions to ourselves. We are ready to blame and criticize and making headlines. If these are our intention than there is no solutions. But, if we ask these questions to ourselves and start to learn their behavior, situations, motive, objective, and philosophy than it will lead us to find a solution. Otherwise, we have to catch the fish in unclear watter and waste our time and bait.

 

Historically Christian and Muslim faiths have their roots in Judaism,
so at their core concepts about the soul, creation and God are all the same.

I would like to address certain linguistic and philosophical similarities common to both Jews and Hindus, which may open up a broader discussion.

1. Names of God,
a. The most holy of all names of God for a Jew is KNA or KANA, Rabbi’s have slapped my face when I have said this name out loud.

This is considered to be the most intimate name for God in the Old Testament. Where it is translated, “I am a jealous God, have no other gods before you”, the literal Hebrew translation is, “My name is EL KNA, have no other gods before you.”

This name expands to KRE ShTN as Rabbi Aryeh Kapln,in Meditation and the Kabbalah explains
“On Monday, you must intertwine the associated name “KRE ShTN”"

b, From a Vedic (Hindu) view point, Kana is also an affectionate name of Krishna, The pronunciation used above “KRE ShTN” is very similar to the way south Indians pronounce Krishna.

2. Abraham and Brahma: Very few know that there are two Abrahams in Jewish philosophy
a. There is a description of how the universe was in chaos until Abraham appeared. It is said, “Over the whole, there hovered Tohu (chaos) and as long as Tohu dominated,the whole world was not in being or existence. When did that key open the gates and make the world fruitful?
It was when Abraham appeared.” [Genesis II 4] As explained in the introduction to the Zohar The Soncino Press LTD–London New York

There is also this reference one needs to ponder It is said, “Angels are supposed to have no back and four faces, so always to be able to behold God.”
[Talmud, cf. Ezek i. 6]

b. In the First Canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, there is a long description of how Brahma created the planets, stars etc. It is well known that the Brahma of this universe has 4 heads.

3. DEMIGODS AND ANGELS have the same function in both trations.
a. The Midrash teaches, “There is no blade of grass that does not have a constellation (Mazal) over it, telling it to grow.” [Sefer Yetzirah 4.6]
“As commentaries explain, ‘God’s providence works through the angels, but the angels, in turn, work through the stars and planets. As some authorities put it, the angels are, in a sense, like souls to the stars. Thus, for example, some sources speak of the stars as having intelligence, but the commentaries note that this is actually speaking of the angels that are associated with them.’” [Sefer Yetrzirah 4.6]

b. The Vedic conception is that there are many specially empowered demigods who help manage the affairs of the universe including the planets of our solar system.
The controlling demigods, although not eternal them selves, function within various posts that exist as long as the universe exists. For example, one of the principle demigods is Lord Indra. Indra is the name of the post, but the particular demigod who occupies that post during a given period has his own personal name. Just like President of the United States is a post, but there have been many presidents throughout history.

4. Durga in the Bible?
a. “He summoned to issue from the side of Darkness a kind of female moon, which rules over the night, and is associated with Adonai, the Lord of all the earth. In his days, the moon was magnified and reached her fullness. A thousand mountains rose before her, and she blew them away with a puff. A thousand mighty rivers flowed before her, and she swallowed them at a draught. Her nails reached out in a thousand and seventy directions and her hands in twenty-four thousand, so that nothing could escape her. Thousands of bucklers clung to her hair. From between her feet went forth a youth who stretched from one end of the world to the other with sixty clubs of fire…” [Zohar]

b. The Vedas describe the ghastly form of Goddess Kali, another name for the Goddess Durga. There is a reference of Goddess Kali in the Srimad-Bhagavatam in the history of Jada Bharata, when she manifested herself to protect him. It is stated, “Intolerant of the offenses committed, the infuriated goddess Kali flashed her eyes and displayed her fierce, curved teeth. Her reddish eyes glowed, and she displayed her fearsome features. She assumed a frightening body, as if she were prepared to destroy the entire creation. Leaping violently from the altar, she
immediately decapitated all the rogues and thieves with the very sword with which they had intended to kill Jada Bharata. She then began to drink the hot blood that flowed from the necks of the beheaded rogues and thieves, as if this blood were liquor.

5. (BRAHMAN) EFFULGENCE
a. “The Most Recondite is beyond cognition, but reveals of Himself a tenuous and veiled brightness shining only along a narrow path which extends from Him, and this is the brightness that irradiates all. This is the starting point of all esoteric mysteries, itself being unknowable.” [Zohar IV 146b]

b. The Absolute Truth is expressed as Brahman, Paramatma, and Bhagavän.” [Srimad Bhagavatam.1.2.11] Brahman refers to the impersonal all-pervasive spirit.

That is the same as the brahmajyoti, the effulgence of the Lord.

6. METATRON AND MAHA-VISHNU
a. It is said that a personality named Metatron cooperates with God to teach the young. While God devotes the last three hours of the day to this work, Metatron is in charge during the remainder of the day. (A.Z. 3b) [Everyman's Talmud, II, III] Regarding the revolving sword or flaming sword that revolves, it is said “the manner in which the sword rotates depends on the readiness of the individual attempting to enter. If he is worthy, it becomes the mirror through which he perceives, while if he is not worthy, he is burned out and cut off by the fire of this sword. The one who oversees the sword, preventing the unworthy from entering, is the angel Metatron.” [Meditation and Kabbalah p 80 Chapter 4, Teachings of Rabbi Abraham Abulafia]
“Metatron is therefore not a proper name at all but a designation for the whole category of celestial powers performing a mission.”
[Origins of the Kabbalah, III, 6]

b. In the creative process,it is from Maha-Vishnu that all of the universes emanate, Sudarshan Cakra (flaming sword that revolves) controlled by Visnu similarly punishes and grants liberation. “Without illumination,nothing can be seen, especially in this material world.

The illumination in this world emanates from the effulgence of Sudarshan, the original vision of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
The illuminating principles of the sun, the moon and fire emanate from Sudarshan.
Similarly, illumination by knowledge also comes from Sudarshan.” [Srimad Bhag. 9.5.7, Purport]
Also there is a series of Visnu expansions each with a chakra.

7. THE LORD IN THE HEART
a. When the soul is about to descend to this world, it first goes down to the terrestrial Garden of Eden and sees there the glory of the souls of the righteous, and then goes down to Gehinnom and sees the wicked who cry “Woe, woe”, and find no compassion. That holy form (God) stands by him until he emerges into the world, after which it keeps him company and grows up with him.” [The Zohar 43b] [KI TAZRIA (LEVITICUS)]

b. In the Bhagavad-gita “Yet in this body there is another, a transcendental enjoyer, who is the Lord, the supreme proprietor, who exists as the overseer and permitter, and who is known as the Supersoul, Paramatma.” [Bg. 13.23]

8. GURU AND RABBI
a. In Judaism, knowledge is also passed from the rabbi to his students, but not everyone is qualified to become a student. “As a matter of law, the sages state that these mysteries ‘cannot even be taught to a single individual, unless he is wise enough to understand with his own knowledge.’ Even in such a case, the complete tradition was only given over to the head of the group, and he would then only instruct those whom he saw fit. Only individuals
possessing the highest qualities of scholarship and piety would be admitted to the circle of initiates.” [Introduction to the Bahir, Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan]
It is also stated that “One who reaches the highest level cannot reveal it to anyone. All he can do is give over the keys, so that the enlightened individual
can open the gates which are sealed to exclude the unworthy.”
[Meditation and Kabbalah, p 79]

b. In Vedic culture, although a guru would speak to whoever wanted to learn the Vedic science, he was traditionally very selective whom he would initiate as his disciple. He would only accept those persons who qualified themselves by humble submission and service. Lord Krishna states in the Bhagavad-gita, “Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master, inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.”

9. VEDIC AND JEWISH CALENDARS
a. The current Hebrew year is 5767. In this calendar, the year in which Adam was created is counted as year one. If we then count the Biblical genealogies from the time of Adam, we find that over 5,000 years have elapsed since the time he was formed. However, the Kabbalists clearly say that other human beings existed before Adam, and this is even supported in scripture [Drush Or HaChaim] The fifth cycle was the one that brought life, and this took
place around two and a half billion years ago. Around 974 generations before Adam, or some 25,000 years ago, man developed all of the physical and mental capabilities that we possess today…but he still lacked the divine soul that would make him a spiritual being. God then created Adam, the first true human being with a soul, ‘and He blew in his nostrils a soul of life’. [Genesis 2.7] [Sefer Yetzirah 4.15]

b. The Vedic calendar states that Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed about 5,000 years.

10.The Ecstasy of Chanting The Names Of God
a. People who have dedicated their lives to the service of God may at times feel unlimited joy or ecstasy while engaged in prayer. It is said, “Permute the letters back and forth, and in this manner, you will reach the first level. As a result of the activity and your concentration on the letters, your mind will become bound to them. The hairs on your head will stand on end and tremble. Your lifeblood is in your heart, and regarding this it is written,
“the blood is the soul” [Deuteronomy 12:23]. It is likewise written, “The blood in the soul will atone” [Leviticus 17:11]. This blood within you will begin to vibrate because of the permutations that loosen it. Your entire body will then begin to tremble, and all your limbs will be seized with shuddering. You will experience the terror of God and will be enveloped with fear of Him. You will then feel as if an additional spirit is within you, arousing you and
strengthening you, passing through your entire body and giving you leisure. It will seem as you have been anointed with perfumed oil, from head to foot. You will rejoice and have great pleasure. You will experience ecstasy and trembling–ecstasy for the soul, and trembling for the body.
[Meditation and Kabbalah, Treasury of the Hidden Eden p85-86]

b. The stage of bhava, love of God, is manifested by eight transcendental symptoms, namely inertness, perspiration, standing of hairs on end, failing in the voice, trembling, paleness of the body, tears in the eyes, and finally trance. [Srimad Bhag. 2:3:24 Purport]

11. GOD’S BEAUTY
a.The Jewish scriptures describe a vision of God. “His head is a treasure of fine gold. His locks are hanging, black like the raven.” In both Talmudic and Kabbalistic traditions, one of the interpretations is that it relates to a vision of God; “when He is visualized in battle, He is seen as a young man with black hair.” [Sefer Yetzirah Ch 6.1]

b.The Vedas refer to the form of the Lord. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is stated, “the Lord is super excellently beautiful on account of His open and merciful smile and His sidelong glance upon His devotees. His black hair is curly, and His garments, waving in the wind, appear like flying saffron pollen from lotus flowers. His glittering earrings, shining helmet, bangles, garland, ankle bells, waist belt and various other bodily ornaments
combine with the conch shell, disc, club, and lotus flower to increase the natural beauty of the Kaustubha pearl on His chest.” [Srimad Bhag. 2.24.47-48]

 

“Monday’s attack in the Punjab capital should prompt concern about the internal stability of Pakistan, writes Nathan Hodge in Danger Room, pointing out it came less than a month after the Sri Lankan cricket team was attacked in the same city.”

Sanjeev, I want to point out two developments today, President Zardari as of now have arrived in Turkey to take part in tri-party talks hosted by President Abdullah Gul and Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
Secondly, Chief Minister of Punjab Shahbaz Sharif and his party’s provincial government has been restored in Punjab, stabilizing the province in particular and Pakistan in general. Mr. Shahbaz is a very popular and capable man, he has worked before for years to make improvements in governance in the province serving as chief minister. The bureaucracy and establishment know Mr. Shahbaz has a tough and uncompromising figure and he does not tolerate corruption and carelessness. I am sure he will tighten the screws. Despite the attack on Police academy yesterday the Karachi stock exchange closed at 100 points up. Interior minister Rehman Malik yesterday stated that outsiders must not view Pakistan helpless amid all this chaos, the government is dealing with terrorists with an iron hand.

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The President expressed his profound respect for the Pakistani people and their history, and pledged that the United States would do all it could to help Pakistan fight against the terrorists who have so often attempted to destabilize the country, including with the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/27/ A-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakis tan/

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I think the Taliban has a master plan of taking over Pakistan. They may not take the entire country. Instead they will focus on the power centers in Islamabad and Lahore areas. The Pakistani military will surrender without any issues if Taliban shows upper hand. The military and their ISI are already filled in with elements sympathetic to the Taliban. The culture of the region is to survive by switching sides with the mightiest and this has been deeply ingrained in these people. Look at how Musharraf jumped ship when the Americans showed up in 2001. Might is right. Right now, the Taliban is on the ascendancy.

The Taliban knows that the US has pledged not to enter into Pakistan, at least for now. So if it can expand its base inside Pakistan, it doesn’t have to hide so much in those hills of the FATA. With a military to go with, it can make itself a formidable entity. By taking over Pakistan, it would make it easier to re-enter Afghanistan and establish a Pashtun-Taliban regime. The Islamic brothers will jump ship in no time.

Al Qaeda can emerge again from the dark. So Taliban is beginning to test the strength of the mainland by attacking on specific targets. They want to make their presence felt by shutting down things that are dear to the people – cricket is a starting point. No lawyers rose up against that. Now the police academy. They might target the Chief Justice too. Pakistan really is at the cross roads now. They have to make a decision on how they should go – fight the Taliban head on or surrender to them for quick justice as some people wrote when Taliban took over Swat valley.

Taliban will try to isolate Balochistan now where it has more support. So Islamabad will be surrounded from different sides.

If the Taliban expands into Pakistan, the US might be forced to change its strategy and attack directly inside Pakistan.

 

Sanjeev:

1. What made you ask this:
“Are the Pakistani Taliban, an off-spring of the Afghan Taliban, falling instead into an ever deeper thrall of al Qaeda?”

2. is Mehsud part of the Taliban that made peace deal?

This attack in Lahore means Taliban cannot be restricted to SWAT only in terms of their terrorist designs–I wonder what else Pakistanis call Taliban? This brazen attack and taking the blame later proves that peace deal was not by any margin a strategic deal with Pakistan army. I just cannot imagine that these guys are up into Lahore spreading terror at will and taking the blame–just shows the network support groups along this area and in the city of Lahore.—and above SADLY a section of the society supporting them indirectly. We know already how SL team attackers walked away. This one is an icing on the cake or salt to the wounds. But which govt worth its salt will not rise up to this terrorism?

And then there are people including “Shahin” who has such a kind heart that she is into the genesis of the problem (ask ISI)–yes sure do it but ask yourself a reverse question: “can a person out of animosity or revenge become this inhuman to behead people, kill the innocents, shut the schools—these are same people?” Shahin: Taliban was existing before the arrival of US with help of S. Arabia and Al-qaida were doing all the athletic activities in Afghanistan. Look at the development they did in Afghanistan—not even an effort—sure public flogging is their expertise. US in or out they will continue with their plans. And tell me this: what makes them blow away Budhha statue and other religious structures?

I will love to hear what you say.

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Sanjiv,

To answer your question; no, the Pakistani Taliban are not charting an independent course. It could be another attempt to malign the civilian government. Many foreign diplomats, US/NATO generals, foreign policy scholars have reiterated the fact that there are volumes of evidences of the links between the ISI and the Taliban. The lives of high profile Taliban are secured by the ISI by passing tip offs of incoming US drone attacks.

Taliban are Pakistan’s strategic assets. Pakistan will not let it go. Betullah Mehsud had declared to fight with the Pakistan army if India attacked in response to the Mumbai terrorist attacks. Who knows how many more terrorists are on the payroll of the Pakistan army and the notorious ISI?

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[Photos of police with a suspected militant involved in Lahore police centre attack ]

—overpowered & captured while on nature’s call (poor guy still holding on to his salwar)

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Official confusion over Lahore siege
“The latest buzz in Lahore is that recent attacks in the city are part of the ground work being done by the “powers that be” – a veiled reference to the military – to depose President Asif Zardari, who they view as too eager to cooperate with the West in eliminating the Taleban.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/79 73901.stm

—Seems the western media is atlast tired of obfuscating the Pakistani lies…they’ve for a change started stating facts.

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“Obama told an interviewer over the weekend that there were no plans to deploy combat troops inside Pakistan in the hunt for al Qaeda.”

—What he meant was that there’s no need of sending the combat troops inside Pakistan to ‘be hunted’ by the Al-Queda… they are safe in their heavily fortified bases in Afghanistan under surveillance & the security from the Taliban.

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Paki does not want to defeat the Taliban.
It would seem ISI has contacts with Mula Omar,
but he can’t control the Taliban in Paki.

Some how ISI views it in Paki’s interests
to keep the Taliban alive.
http://warintel.blogspot.com/2009/03/bew are-those-treacherous-afpaks.html

Paki cannot defeat the Taliban
http://warintel.blogspot.com/2009/03/pak istan-cannot-win-against-taliban.html

Gerald
Anthropologist

 

The Taliban have always been a 100 % owned and controlled subsidiary of
a large faction inside ISI; as is typical in such cases, they have now turned on
their Pakistani masters, just as the Tamil Tigers and the radical Sikh movements turned
against Indian intelligence. They did absolutely nothing constructive during the
years they ruled Afghanistan, and they offer the same kind of misrule to any
parts of Pakistan they control: no secular schools, no modern medical care, no
justice, nothing but genocidal attacks on all ethnic groups (Hazaras, Tajiks, etc.) and religious groups (Shi’as, Sufis, moderate Sunni Moslems) they disapprove of. The
sooner they are eradicated, the better for all, except for the wealthy Saudis who
bankroll them and the global Wahhabi/Salafi crusade.

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Mehsuds Taliban, with its brazen Lahore attack, appears to be working in tandem with Al Qaida as it has explicitly made anti-American demands. Appeasements to Taliban by the Pak govt. will continue so long as the public opinion in other parts of pak does not demand any change. If Punjab and Sindh provinces look the other way to let the fundamentalists take over governance of west, things will remain quieter a bit. Then its left to Afghan and US allies to face the resistance from inside afpak. Pak govt. has no resolve to confront the Taliban head on; the army and ISI are neck deep involved with the terrorist groups. Their hitherto strategic assets (Taliban) became their masters now. The troika of army, ISI and terrorist groups will further weaken the civilian rule and its economy will more and more get dependent on aid. A weak pak is not in the interest of india, afghan or west as india said all along. The paks antiindian groups work overtime to cause mischief in india. Antiwestern activities get a new thrust as well. Solution is difficult.

Let the pressure on these groups continue and everyone including US, Pak, Afghan, Iran, Saudi, India china, Russia and others work collectively against the terrorist/ fundamentalist groups. It is a long war of modern era, end of which, unfortunately, is not in near sight.

 

Umair and other Paks

given the grim situation pak is in, its not just US, but every nation wants to help pak get out of this quagmire. It is up to pak people as to how they can face the various anti state groups. India would like to have a peaceful pak with stable economy as its neighbor which will translate into better trade across the border.

 

Azaddp I disagree with you on Pakistan being in a grim situation, a strategically important country is simply facing multiple challenges. That is the fact, rest is all talk.

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My advice to the people of Pakistans: If you have to be an ally of the Americans, ally with them for peace not for war. If it is an alliance for peace with your brothers…not an alliance for war on your brothers. The people of the world want peace and so do the Pakistanis. You have the means not the Americans to make peace in your country. If you tow the American coat tails, you will be dragged deeper and deeper into a war that is engulfing you. You should have the courage to dictate or at least influence the terms of engagement.

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Umair,
Please stop trying to tell us commentators that Pakistan is just going through a series of challenges. These are not the views of your fellow compatriots.

These comments below are from article ‘Terrorists Hit Lahore, 25+ Dead, 100 Injured’ on ALL THINGS PAKISTAN:

I think we should start looking within ourselves and stay away from silly games about outside hands.

“Searching for “outside hand” is again like burying our heads in sand. Folks, it is our sins that are visiting us.” I always wondered how educated Pakistanis could even believe in such loopy conspiracy theories. Allegations that the jihadis and the Indians are teaming up sound silly. Of course no conspiracy theory is complete without bringing the Jews in.

“How come no ones calling for a long march on protesting these grotesque actions? Why people are not coming out? Why political parties are not rallying their supporters?”
Unfortunately Pakistani people will come out in large numbers to protest “cartoons” in European media, Israeli action in Gaza or something remotely connected to domestic tragedies.
I am sorry for loss of life near Lahore.

What I was saying that specially those like Imran and Nawaz who have a soft corner for Taliban but they and their progeny enjoys a levish western life are “hypocrate” of extreme kinds. These poeple are willing to give half of Pakistan to Taliban but can they live under Taliban for a a day with their familes?

The BBC is reporting that Baitullah Mehsud of TTP has claimed responsibility for the attacks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/79 73540.stm
Meanwhile, Pakistani officials continue to display a dangerous level of incompetence and nonchalance, making contradictory and off-the-cuff remarks about what transpired at the Academy, giving rise to all kinds of conspiracy theories.

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William Glick

—Commendable work, after all – ‘All roads lead to Rome – accept my heartiest appreciation for your noble undertaking… may your time be just round the corner.

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Reuters’ Blog “Pakistan – Now or Never” – A lopsided commentary on Pakistan
Reuters is a very reputable organisation but when I read through the above mentioned blog which is an ongoing commentary on the events in Pakistan, I was forced to change my opinion. This blog is the most unbalanced view an organisation like Reuters can put forward and I would like to ask its administrators to look at the way it is being conducted.
1. The blog contributions on this blog are mainly made by Indian authors and keeping India Pakistan relations in mind, it is a given that this blog is extremely biased against Pakistan

2. There are very few people who make comments on articles who are not Indian, the main contributors to this blogs comments are Anitha, Anup, Sanjeev, Rajiv and some other Indians who naturally have nothing fair to say about Pakistan. No matter what the topic of the blog is, these guys talk about ISI, End of Pakistan, Failed State, Rogue State and expressions of similar nature.

3. ‘Pakistan – Now or Never, apart from being a tool for Indian propaganda must pay some attention to the facts as well as if this was a blog by an Indian organisation, I would not have any problems with its Indian rooted propaganda but Reuters is supposed to be neutral.

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I am a Pakistani national and have to say umair lives in a fools paradise. If Rahman Malik says things are getting better ask him tp set aside his more than 20 police cars for escort!We believe you umair because we were born yesterday!
I believe this pakistani Taliban want to just spread more anarchy and the Pakistan military is taking full advantage of this by doing nothing!! At a time when there is full scale war between the militants and the government the army has withdrawn and tasked the FC(Frontier Constabulary) which is a parammilitary to clean up the mess whereas the military supplies these guys(the militants) with the weapons!!
Just seems that no one is incharge. Kayan is probably too busy drinking and smoking and getting his son settled in the US and the other generals are more sycophants. Atleast with Musharraf you knew who was incharge.
We need to take on these militants. The army is releasing these militants after striking one deal from another and the complicit arrangement I think is for them not to attack the army. They can attack other security services.
We should not forget Betullah mehsud was released in one of those deals and since then he has murdered more than 1000 people including suicide bombings, soldiers being killed etc.
They are one the Pakistani Taliban and the military and they are just enlarging the theatre of war from Afghanistan into Pakistan and testing the US’s patience.
I think the ISI director should be bombed only then these people will understand the consequences of such duplicitous behaviour!

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David Jones writes: “‘Pakistan – Now or Never, apart from being a tool for Indian propaganda must pay some attention to the facts as well as if this was a blog by an Indian organisation, I would not have any problems with its Indian rooted propaganda but Reuters is supposed to be neutral.”

Mr. David,

What is being published is what the reality is. There is nothing positive to say about the status of Pakistan today. It fits into the Indian perspectives and so it looks as though there is an Indian bias. Reuters is neutral and this is as neutral information one can get at this time as possible. This is not the forum to discuss Pakistan’s culture of music, food, festivals etc. There are other forums for it. Here it is concerned with political information and unfortunately, whatever information is available only shows negative aspects of Pakistan. If Reuters were to write positive things about North Korea or Somalia, tell me how they would do it. The reality is that these countries have become a drag to the rest of the world and whatever information available about them today is nothing but negative. This does not make the system biased. Just to show that they are neutral, one doesn’t have to go dig up something that is totally irrelevant to the issues on hand.

Most Indians will not venture here, but for the problems we face at the hands of Pakistan. This is something you Westerners will not understand. It is easy to sit and say that Indians are vicious. We are not. We do not want to be equated with countries like Pakistan, which is something you people do and would not call it as a bias.

We have our own issues and we need to work towards our security and progress. And unfortunately, Pakistan has grown up as an irresponsible state sitting right next to us. And their retrograde movement is a cause of concern for us in terms of security. If Mexico was anti American in terms of religious or any other ideology, and had nukes, the US probably would never have become this powerful and progressed this much. It is all easy to sit and tell others what they should do.

I’d appreciate it if you understand the conditions in the sub-continent better and be sympathetic to the people who deserve them. Just because Pakistan was a military lackey of the US all these years, it does not mean that you should take an emotional side with them either.

 

David Jones wrote:
“2. There are very few people who make comments on articles who are not Indian, the main contributors to this blogs comments are Anitha, Anup, Sanjeev, Rajiv and some other Indians who naturally have nothing fair to say about Pakistan. No matter what the topic of the blog is, these guys talk about ISI, End of Pakistan, Failed State, Rogue State and expressions of similar nature. ”

Thank you sir, for stating the truth.
Sanjeev, can you please take note? Thank you

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David Jones
“Reuters’ Blog “Pakistan – Now or Never” – A lopsided commentary on Pakistan”
— You started on a wrong note.

“This blog is the most unbalanced view an organisation like Reuters can put forward and I would like to ask its administrators to look at the way it is being conducted.”
—Be specific, what’s the imbalance about…is it, as you claim…

1. The blog contributions on this blog are mainly made by Indian authors
2. There are very few people who make comments on articles who are not Indian,
3. ‘Pakistan – Now or Never, apart from being a tool for Indian propaganda must pay some attention to the facts as well as if this was a blog by an Indian organisation,

These are the usual anti-India allegations, or could be construed as racism, nothing new; David Jones is just a pseudonym… It would have made more sense had you come out with your evaluation of the Author or substantive criticism of the commentators…

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Umair wrote:

“David Jones wrote:
“2. There are very few people who make comments on articles who are not Indian, the main contributors to this blogs comments are Anitha, Anup, Sanjeev, Rajiv and some other Indians who naturally have nothing fair to say about Pakistan. No matter what the topic of the blog is, these guys talk about ISI, End of Pakistan, Failed State, Rogue State and expressions of similar nature. ”

Thank you sir, for stating the truth.
Sanjeev, can you please take note? Thank you
- Posted by Umair ”

Response:

Umair, give me a few things positive, besides cricket, that Pakistan has contributed to humanity and the world, that everybody has of today? For example, India has its own space program, contributed much brain power the U.S., namely SunMicrosystems and brain power to the U.S. military and Microsoft, the Nano car, and now a very cheap laptop, these are just a few of the recent things. India has its share of problems, but its problems have not spilled over and become the worlds’s problems.

Please provide a list of redeeming things Pakistan has done for the world and provided the world, besides the UN peacekeeping force, which it sends to Islamic countries, for the benefit of muslims.

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Global watcher
I am not denying India made some progress, because I am not a negative person.

You seem not to find anything positive out of Pakistan, probably you dont have a positive outlook.
Pakistan was world champion in cricket in 1992 and hockey in 1994. Pakistan ruled the world of Squash winning British open and world open for decades, Pakistan was world champion in snooker. We have nuclear scientists, pilots doctors and engineers doing everything from heart bypass to kidney transplant, flying planes, experimenting with mechanics to electronics. SUPARCO is Pakistan’s agency similar to NASA, we are behind India in the space research but are crawling, not out of game.
Do I also need to mention some economists, yes they are, we have justice and rule of law. We have a vibrant media, a professional military, we have music and nuclear bombs, we have coasts, rivers, mountain peaks and glaciers to deserts. Diversity, everything you may think of. Pakistan is best kept secret of the world.
2007 was Visit Pakistan year for tourism but there was a downturn due to war in Afghanistan. Things will change for better, Pakistan is alive with possibility.

Pakistan produced an Theoretical Physicsist Dr. Abdus Salam Nobel laureate in Physics for his work in Electro-Weak Theory.
Global watcher if you think positively you will find many positives in Pakistan. I dont like self praise, but if you want, i can sit down and compile a whole list of accomplishments.

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Umair

—No one is denying Pakistan’s right to prosperity, specially In India – neither individually nor as a nation on the whole, but if you do a honest evaluation of the present state of affairs in Pakistan, you would get a better insight of the problems faced by your country & eventually the solution that also lies within, No America or any outsider is inclined or cares for other people’s rot, they have their own agenda’s to take care of & shall invariably exploit it for their own benefit, each needs to clean up his own mess.

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To my all Pakistani friends :

As an Indian , we sympathize with Pakjistani people for recent terrorist attacks and loss of innocent lives in these terrorist attacks.

But they must remember that “Boya Ped Babul ka Am kahan se paye” , you will reap the harvest as you sow, though the talbans and other jehadi and terrorist groups were not only created but also nurtured by Pakistan ,now they have tuned against Pakistan , time has come for Pakistani to do some soul searching , where lies the mistakes ?

For the present mess , Pakistanis are only responsible, and the remedy lies within Pakistan.

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Umair:

The only difference between India and Pakistan are :
1.the world’s cheapest cars made with “Made in India” tag, but the cheapest terrorists are made with ” Made in Pakistan” tag.

2. India exports software , Pakistan exports terrorist software

3. India is democracy, more than 600 million people will vote to elect a new govt which meets their aspiration , Pakistan is a democracy of few landlords guided and run under a watchful army and it is the army who decides the ruler of the country

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David Jones

whats your nationality and religious affiliation, dont answer if you are not comfortable, but go ahead and

Read below post of Sulaiman Mania,A Pakistani from Sweden

 

anju2008,

Unfortunately, you’re preaching to the wrong choir. Pakistanis know that their country is suffering from a cancer within, but many live in denial. It’s like cat drinking milk with eyes closed. But we know who is drinking the milk and where the milk disappears.

Taliban is a strategic asset for Pakistan which has served it well. Pakistan will not let it go even if the situation on Af-pak border improves. We’ll see, for a short while atleast, that the Pakistanis will turn on the heat on few mad dogs, show a facade of few captives, pat each other’s back and let the paychecks from the US flow in.

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To David Jones (aka the person behind the veil)

Your argument does not cut any ice. I often read Pakis and their supporters complaining that everything going wrong in the land of the pure is a conspiracy of the US, the Jews, the Indians, the Sun, the Moon, the Stars etc; you get the drift. To that list we can now add Reuters, Sanjeev and others.

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Nikil wrote:
To David Jones (aka the person behind the veil)

Your argument does not cut any ice. I often read Pakis and their supporters complaining that everything going wrong in the land of the pure is a conspiracy of the US, the Jews, the Indians, the Sun, the Moon, the Stars etc; you get the drift. To that list we can now add Reuters, Sanjeev and others.

- Wow. “Behind the veil”? Countering conspiracy theory with conspiracy theory? Ya’ll really don’t think before you type.

I love you.
Peace.

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“SUPARCO is Pakistan’s agency similar to NASA, we are behind India in the space research but are crawling, not out of game.
–Posted by Umair

Dear Umair: you are behind Iran and N.Korea in this field. Set small targets first. I appreciate the spirit though.

Sorry “David Jones”. I heard your comments–you left me speachless. But can you give a statement about the status of Pakistan rather than criticizing-That would be helpful. Advise a balanced blog–enlighten us. Like Umair is doing.
Umair and Sir Jones: First thing about solving a problem (if you believe there is any in Af-Pak) is to accept the reality or diagnose correctly. Wrong diagnosis such as that by Umair will serve to accelerate the problem.

Now that must not be too hard to understand.

Here are more achievements of Pakistan:
Nuclear bomb (1998)
Nuclear proliferation to Iran 1987 Iraq 1990 N Korea and Libya 1994. Sometime in S Arabia.
This is Nuclear Chor Bazaar established by the only nation in world Pakistan. Hence the lopsided blogs.

Good luck!

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Baitullah Mehsud has always been an India-supported agent, with a clever disguise as “Pakistani Taliban”. His role has been to carve out a pocket of Pakistan, where he rules by gun and to commit violence elsewhere in the country and export his ideology.

He needs to be taken down, but only after proper preparations.

 

Nikhil,

Your thoughts are very noble, and again you have rightly pointed out that taliban and other jehadi elements are cancer to Pakistan , the main problem with Pakis , they are still in denial mode . Coming back to Mumbai terror attack, how many Pakistanis raised a protest march in the streets of Pakistan or elsewhere in the world ? For any incidents concerning muslims in India, Pakis immediately ask international intervention to protect muslims in India? How are their concerns for Kashmir justified? Have Indian muslims appointed them as their advocate to champion their causes ? or muslims elsewhere in the world appointed Pakis as the custodian of islam?

Pakistan is a nuisance in this world and need to eliminated like a cancer , I am really appalled and flabbergasted to find a mute Indian response to various aid proposal by Obama Administration to Pakistan? While considering aid package for Pakistan, Obama Administration should have given due consideration to Indian sentiments , this is especially in view of the fact that US Auditors are aware of Pakistan misusing such aid in past to buy ammunition to counter some flimsy threats from India?

On the one hand , our bloody politicians and corrupt bureaucrats always mention India as super power , is it not the time to make our sentiments absolutely clear to Obama Administration ?

Is US not playing double game ?

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@anju2008

So you want to eliminate Pakistan ! Heil Hitler !

 

Nikhil,

Have you noticed comments by Amir Ali, how do you like that : Baitullah Mehsud is an Indian agent ?

Pakis should know even the writing on the wall is loud and clear that Indian intel agencies can’t even defend Indians against terror attacks, let alone launching espionage activities in Pakistan or even in Afghanistan?

If our agencies were so efficient and honest, I am sure, Mumbai attack would not have happened?

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Amir ,

Pakistan is surviving due to our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats , and vote bank politics. Any good and nationalist govt in New Delhi, and any misadventure like Mumbai, Pakistan will be history , and will be buried with your so called alcoholic Quede Azam.

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@anju2008

yeah and we will bury you with our nukes.

A lesson to be learned by hate-filled blind Indians like you is : Pakistan is a reality and will continue to exist.

 

Aamir Ali says:

“Baitullah Mehsud has always been an India-supported agent, with a clever disguise as “Pakistani Taliban”. His role has been to carve out a pocket of Pakistan, where he rules by gun and to commit violence elsewhere in the country and export his ideology.

He needs to be taken down, but only after proper preparations.
- Posted by Aamir Ali”

Response,

Aamir, this is the type of garbage nonsense statements that is associated with Pakistani’s I am surprised that you Pakis’s don’t also blame the earthquakes in Pakistan on India, or the Global Economic Crisis. I in my biggest dreams would not even think of 1/10th of the glamourous fable land conspiracies that Pakistani’s dream up out of its pathological and mentally sick hatred for India and non-muslims.

Is this what Islam has become? Paranoia, blame and conspiracy stories? Is there anyone left in Pakistan with a sane, rational, straight thinking mind, who does not blame other for all their troubles and own home grown Islamic Extremist Problems?

Please don’t give India so much credit, in one breath you Paki’s say we planned Mumbai on ourselves to blame Pakistan, the other breath you say, our intelligence RAW was incompetant, in another breath you say that India actually had the upper hand so much so that it was able to convince Muslim Taliban to kill Paki’s??? HOw absurdly stupid can you people become?

Well…this is Pakistan, the mind of its citizens is full and drunk on a good does of Military fueled propaganda from its inception, to fuel hate against India. This hate is often relied up to explain away all of Pakistan’s troubles.

Again, my dear Aamir, please don’t give India so much credit, you only reinforce how useless and weak Pakistan’s own position is.

@Suleman Maniya, thank you brother for being a voice of reason, I wish there were more Pakistani’s like you.

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There is a sick pathological mental illness in Pakistan. It seems as though Pakistan is not willing to fight any sort of extremism, in its face value form, as long as you cover the ugly face of extremism and blame India, as unconnected as it may seem, it seems the only way for Pakistan to take on the Taliban.

Very sick.

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Guys,

People like Umair and Amir Ali are internet faces of talibans and jehadis in Pakistan, let us not waste our time in countering them or even addressing them. I call upon all those people with senses to discuss the prevailing situation in Pakistan and role paki jehadis . The sum and substance is that Pakis are heartless ,brutal people , for them killing innocent people is a game. Now the world opinion is against Pakis for their terrorist activities , now they are grumbling about killing of innocent people .

Not a tear in Pakistan was shed when 12 Pakis created mayhem on the streets of Mumbai , or when Paki army massacred more than 3 million innocent people , raped women ?

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Umair’s List:
(1) Pakistan was world champion in cricket in 1992.

-Except now, no cricketing nation wants to come to Pakistan to play. The captain of 1992 win is now a Taliban sympathizing politician.

(2) Hockey in 1994.

-Whoopie!!!!

(3) Pakistan ruled the world of Squash winning British open and world open for decades.

-Whoopie!!!!

(4) Pakistan was world champion in snooker.

-Unless Steve Davis, Ronnie O’Sullivan…etc are Pakistani, I have not seen one Pakistani at a Snooker tournament.

(5) We have nuclear scientists, pilots doctors and engineers doing everything from heart bypass to kidney transplant, flying planes, experimenting with mechanics to electronics.

-We have these guys too. We Indians have also a Nuclear Deal with the USA. Pakistan was rebuffed on wanting the same deal.

(6) SUPARCO is Pakistan’s agency similar to NASA, we are behind India in the space research but are crawling, not out of game.

-If its similar to NASA then why has it not launched anything. If its behind India then it is not similar to NASA. Even the Indian Space program is not similar to NASA.

(7) Do I also need to mention some economists.

-During the 1990s while Manmohan Singh was reforming the Inidian economy; Pakistan was going to the IMF for loans for the first time. Pakistan has gone to the IMF for the second time. Mr. Singh is now PM. Pakistan has Mr. 10% as president.

(8) We have justice and rule of law.

-Only after you have stretched your legs with a very Long March. However, do not venture into the Swat region, there is a very different rule of law there.

(9) We have a vibrant media.

-That gets turned off the air at the govt’s will resulting in resignation of the Information Minister.

(10) A professional military.

-That has quit hunting after the terrorists on its own soil and given the Swat region up to the Taliban.

(11) We have music.

-Except in the Swat region where it is banned by the Taliban.

(12) Nuclear bombs.

-These are no longer a deterent to those eating away at the fabric of Pakistan.

(13) We have coasts, rivers, mountain peaks and glaciers to deserts.

-These were already there pre-partition. So what? Most countries have one or all of these.

(14) Diversity, everything you may think of.

-Err? what about the other minorities living in Pakistan that have dwindled in number from 20% to 1-2% over 50 years?

(15) Pakistan is best kept secret of the world.

-WRONG!!! Mention Pakistan to any person on the street in any country and you get negative remarks. Sorry, it is not a best kept secret, but best kept away from.

(16) 2007 was Visit Pakistan year for tourism but there was a downturn due to war in Afghanistan.

-Yes, come to Pakistan, does not matter what nationality you are and get kidnapped and held for ransom to result in beheading if no payments are made.

(17) Pakistan produced an Theoretical Physicsist Dr. Abdus Salam Nobel laureate in Physics for his work in Electro-Weak Theory.

-How many other Pakistanis know this? Also know this:
“We are scared of honouring Dr Salam because of our constitution which we have amended to declare his community as ‘non-Muslim’.” (from ALL THING PAKISTAN)

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Umair, if you want to make lists then please pay attention to what the world around thinks of you and deal with your problems:

From BBC News:

27 March 09: Suicide bomber demolishes crowded mosque near the north-western town of Jamrud, killing dozens

3 March 09: Six policemen and a driver killed, and several cricketers injured, in ambush on the Sri Lanka cricket team in central Lahore

20 Sept 08: 54 die in an attack on the Marriott hotel in Islamabad

6 Sept 08: Suicide car bombing kills 35 and wounds 80 at a police checkpoint in Peshawar

Aug 08: Twin suicide bombings at gates of a weapons factory in town of Wah leave 67 dead

March 08: Suicide bombs hit police headquarters and suburban house in Lahore, killing 24

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‘Pakistan – Now or Never, is a tool for Indian propaganda is ignorant of ground realities and the only reference made to another writer is of Nathan Hodge in Danger Room which is one of the propaganda portal as well. The most shamefull is the Reuters have allowed this sort of propaganda blogging.

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Aamir the misguided Ali writes: “Baitullah Mehsud has always been an India-supported agent”

Aamir,

I really am awestruck by you ISI guys! How amazing it is that you are able to crack all these secrets! Wow!

By the way, let us share some information so that global peace can be made better –

RAW is run by the ISI now.

Zardari is a RAW agent.

Gilani has ties with Advani in India. They are plotting to form Sindhu Desh.

Obama has secret deals with Bin Laden.

US is planning to use the drones inside Pakistan in order to create more cricket grounds.

Carpet bombing in Pakistan will be done soon to clear weeds in the lawns of Lahore and Islamabad.

Islamabad will change its name to Islamaugly. Good is an unIslamic word according to Taliban.

Let us exchange more secrets please.

 

@Pakistan and music.

–Music is Haram in Islam and Pakistan is Islamic republic. Prophet Mohammad does not allow Music by saying “There will be among my Ummah people who will regard as permissible adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments,”

Is Taliban right about it?

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Aamir Ali writes: “Baitullah Mehsud has always been an India-supported agent”

Umair: Any comments on this new finding? And all under the watchful eyes of ISI? That does not place ISI in CIA/Mossad’s category and makes RAW the dad of all spy agencies.

Aamir: Tell us more. We need such jokes to break the monontony of death and destruction.

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@Bulletfish, thank you for the detailed spot-on rebuttal to the moniker “Umair”, which is probably used by a few individuals.

@Umair,

You use the word nuclear bxxbs quite often. In your chest thumping about Pakistan’s usage of a nuke, are you so stupid that you do not realize that as soon as Pakistan uses a nuke, that Pakistan is finished? Just think, the U.S. and India, both have nuclear subs, and the U.S. has ICBM’s with high detonation yield Nuclear War heads. You think they will just sit idly by as you nuke their fifth fleet to any sort of response to them? You think India will just sit by, as you nuke an India city?

Just remember to finished your sentence the next time you utter the words “Pakistan has nukes and will use them”, just remember to properly finish your sentence with the following words: “…and after Pakistan uses the first nuke, Pakistan will also be completely destroyed, beyond recovery..”. Just like that Umair, please complete your sentence with regards to the use of the word nuke.

Please don’t hide that fact that Pakistan will be decimated minutes later in a reciprocating massive relation. At that moment, you would be permanently abscent from these blogs. Use your sensibilities.

With some parting wisdom for you, in the recent words of U.S. Gen. David Petraus:

“Petraeus said that he had discussed reports of ISI complicity with the Taliban in his recent discussions with its chief, Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and would continue to do so.

“There are accusations, frankly, some when you dig into them seem to be more ambiguous than on the surface but some of them are not,” Petraeus said, referring to alleged ISI-Taliban cooperation. ”

Keep a dog leash on your so-called professional ISI, who keep getting caught red handed keeping criminals in their own house for overnight sleepovers.

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