Are the Pakistan Taliban charting an independent course?

March 31, 2009

For some weeks now there have been persistent reports about Taliban leader Mullah Omar, asking fighters in the Pakistani Taliban to stop carrying out attacks there and instead focus on Afghanistan where Western forces are being bolstered.

The reclusive one-eyed leader had in December sent emissaries to ask leaders of the Pakistani Taliban to settle their differences, scale down activities in Pakistan and help mount a spring offensive against the build-up of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, a report in the New York Times said as recently as last week.

But the attacks haven’t stopped. If anything they have become even more brazen, with the Sri Lankan cricket team attacked in Lahore earlier this month and then Monday’s rampage through a police academy, again in Lahore. Between these two major attacks,  there has a been suicide bombing in a mosque in the northwest near the Afghan border, a car bombing outside Peshawar and a blast in Rawalpindi, turning March into one of the bloodiest months in recent times.

And on Tuesday, Pakistani Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in a rather rare move, claimed responsibiity for the storming of the police training centre in Lahore, destroying whatever was left of Mullah Omar’s reported calls for cooling off in Pakistan.

Is Mehsud going off-message ? Or is he setting another course?

Mehsud told a Reuters reporter that the attack on the police academy was to avenge U.S. missile strikes by unmanned aircraft. These Predator drone raids have been focused on the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) including South Waziristan, his base.  According to U.S. army officials these attacks have taken a toll, accounting for a significant  number of senior al Qaeda figures.

Mehsud has threatened more attacks, including in Washington which last week announced a $5 million reward for information leading to his location or arrest. So what really is behind the stepped up attacks inside Pakistan? Are the Pakistani Taliban, an off-spring of the Afghan Taliban, falling instead into an ever deeper thrall of al Qaeda? 

By most assessments, Al Qaeda is encouraging a Taliban  insurgency in Pakistani tribal lands bordering Afghanistan, and  seeking to destabilise the Muslim nation of 170 million people.  But these attacks have taken place in Lahore deep in Punjab, which is really the heart of the Pakistani establishment.

And they come just as U.S. President Barack Obama has made Pakistan the central front in his war on Islamist militancy in the region, prompting some to wonder if the militants’ game plan is to draw the U.S. deeper into Pakistan.

Monday’s attack in the Punjab capital should prompt concern about the internal stability of Pakistan, writes Nathan Hodge in Danger Room, pointing out it came less than a month after the Sri Lankan cricket team was attacked in the same city.

“While Pakistani forces marked the recapture of the facility with celebratory gunfire, a serious question looms: Could the United States become more directly embroiled in Pakistan’s internal affairs?”

Obama told an interviewer over the weekend that there were no plans to deploy combat troops inside Pakistan in the hunt for al Qaeda.

U.S. strategy in Pakistan is supposed to centre on a significant boost in civilian aid, along with continued military assistance and the occasional U.S. drone attack. “But when you say you’re going after al Qaeda and its allies in the region, you are potentially expanding the roster of militant groups on the “to do” list,” Hodge says.

[Photos of police with a suspected militant involved in Lahore police centre attack and an Afghan refugee protester outside a conference on Afghanistan at The Hague]

Comments

Global watcher, Pakistan possesses a second strike status, absorbing a nuclear strike and retaiating with one of its own.
All the US can do is just confront ISI regarding on issues. Tell you what buddy, ISI is today what the US made it. The US tasked the ISI to fight the soviets in Afghanistan, supplying weapons and billions of dollars to ISI. ISI is the branchild of CIA, ISI is a legend, ISI is imaginery ISI is invisible and doesnt exists. ISI is a fear inside the enemies of Pakistan, In my opinions there is nothing exists such as ISI its just your fear and paranoia. ISI is notorious or whatever you may call it. For everyhting ISI is a formidable spy service safeguarding Pakistan nationl interests. while you know much about ISI let me tell you about:

1. ISSB (Inter-services selection Board)
2. ISPR (Inter-services public relations)

ISSB is tasked selection and recruitment of commissioned officers in Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force. while ISPR look after civilian and military relations and PR responsibility for armed forces.

Similarly, ISI is an disciplined organization, with responsibility to identify and eliminate internal and external threats to Pakistan’s security. I keep hearing ISI is a state within a state a rouge agency, tell you what dismantle the ISI and Pakistan could fall apart with terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons. For everything, ISI is the best hope for you Indians, I must see some praise for ISI by you next time.

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@Rajeev

The joke is that Indians accuse every terrorism act on Pakistan, specifically ISI, then complain when Pakistanis accuse Indians of sponsoring terror in their country.

Hope you get it.

 

I agree with the comments made by David jones regarding consistant anti-pakistan/islam bias and indian propoganda by certain posters such as bulletfish, mauryan, Global watcher, anup, rajeev, anitha etc. something prevalant in every pakistan related blog on this site, and people who don’t agree with the views of the above mentioned posters are swamped with racist and deragatory remarks.

The word ‘paki’(considered racist/offensive by most, especially here in the UK) is used on a very regular basis without objection from the authors or the site administration. The blog authors ( notably Sanjeev and Mayra) and the reuters admin need to consider these issues to mainatin impartiality.

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Amir,

Everytime India blame Pakistan or its “Non State Actors” of orchestrating terrorism she provides proof. When the proofs point to different agencies e.g Malegaon she accepts it. Now the whole world accepts our stand on cross border terrorism.

Pak only rents and has not provided any proof of Indian involvement so far to my knowledge. Except some lousy conspiracy theories.

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Umair,
“For everything, ISI is the best hope for you Indians, I must see some praise for ISI by you next time.”

Thanks but we are still sane. We have not buried our head in sands and living in delusion.

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http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf  /0/FA31265618C284486525758C00611F8F?Ope nDocument

Barack Obama hails India as a partner on the economy and war on terrorism.

I don’t believe Pakistan is a partner on anything positive with any country.

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@ Bulletfish: You got your facts wrong. The president of Pakistan,Zardari,the killer of Benazir, has become Mr 110% from 10%!!
Anyways I dont think we should fight amongst ourselves. We need to debate about the topic at hand.The taliban are slowly making inroads in all echelons of the government and the military in Pakistan.
I believe the ISI should be completely revamped.Its charter defined as to what it can do and anyone found stepping their line should not only be punished but Killed!
The politicians we have now only care about themselves and will keep on doing half measures since they dont want to take the stick. We need a military strongman ,unlike Kayani, who could fight head on. The perks in the military should be finished to make them fight this war otherwise they are enjoying on both sides of the fence.

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To anju2008,

1) You asked, “Is US not playing double game?

- No. The US/NATO don’t know how to craft a sound policy for a devious country like Pakistan. Pakistan is a double-faced state where the army/ISI does not hesitate to cross its civilian government, where agreements signed by the civilian leaders are shredded by its army and the promises given to other countries are either sabotaged or broken.
I support any funding that goes for the betterment of Pakistanis, but not the army. The challenge is how to ensure that foreign aid is not leaked or siphoned off in to the coffers of the jihadis. Well, my guess is as good as yours.

2) You asked, “How are Paki concerns for Kashmir justified?”

- In my view, they are not justified. But I don’t want to digress from the topic of discussion. There are other posts where we debate regarding Kashmir.

3) You asked about the silly comments by bloggers like Aamir Ali, Umair and others,

- I find the responses by Aamir Ali, Umair and others silly and often delusional. I just ignore them. In Pakistan, saving face in public is very important; that explains the denial and the obfuscation by few here. I often travel and I’ve few Pakistani friends who I’ve met abroad. I must say they are warm and friendly but very sensitive when it comes to certain topics, such as religion. Many blame their govt and army – especially since the Zia era – and not the US or India for their current problems. But those confessions are made only in private; not in public forums like this blog.

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Nikhil:
“Pakistan is a double-faced state where the army/ISI does not hesitate to cross its civilian government, where agreements signed by the civilian leaders are shredded by its army and the promises given to other countries are either sabotaged or broken.”

-What about India that doent honour UN resolutions on Kashmir, and then runs crying to the same UN to ask it to brand LeT as a terrorist organization?

“I find the responses by Aamir Ali, Umair and others silly and often delusional.”

-yeah sure, when someone states crap and maligns Pakistan and he is confronted by a rebuttal, it will certainly feel silly to you. After all, you want to see Pakistan getting maligned dont you?

I dont buy your crap Nikhil. sell it to poor anju.

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@Rajeev
The joke is that Indians accuse every terrorism act on Pakistan, specifically ISI, then complain when Pakistanis accuse Indians of sponsoring terror in their country.
Hope you get it.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

-Aamir, actually I still don’t get it. On a Pakistan TV channel I saw the same logic by one expert Mohtarma “Indians accuse of Pakistani hand for terrorism activity in India, why should we also not say that Indian hand is involved in Pakistan terrorism?” Great!

If you are accusing to balance Indian allegation against Pakistan, do so by getting into the analysis and some basis. It becomes a joke and no one takes it seriously if there is a huge gap between the observation and the analysis of it. B.Mehsud, a Pakistani born TTP Chief, declared openly to help Pakistan with men and amunition against a possible war against India (Pak is quiet on that), Taliban established & promoted by Pakistan as a strategic asset against India; Mehsud now forming the Ittehad-e-Shura-e-Mujahideen (Union of the Consultative Council of Mujahideen) against US/NATO—and with this information I say Mehsud is anti-India, not an Indian agent and you say Mehsud as an Indian agent. Is it not a joke? But no one can prevent you from saying Obama rhymes with Osama so Obama is an al-aqaida member. This is called baseless allegation. If you give such expert analysis and write your cell phone and e-mail contact here, I’ll tell you your line will be busy with propaganda sites in pakistan, asking you to join them for this wild and original link you discovered.

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To Umair,

My comments were addressed to anju2008 because he/she asked me about it. I’ve no bandwidth or time to endlessly write responses to your comments which we all know by now are cherry-picked from others and often baseless.

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William Glick

good job, keep good work. Surething,
at the end of the day spirituality which unites us all, wins and religion, which divides us, is ignored.

 

Nikhil:

I fully agree with you, Pakis are double edged sword, it cuts both ways, if you keep friendship with them they will kill you , if you don’t, they will still kill you after all the they are the heirs of same old mughal dynasty where the historically every mughal emperor becomes emperor after killing his father and other relatives in the line of throne . Aurangzeb was the proof of this . Killing of 3 million innocent people and rape of countless millions women , by Paki army in East Pakistan(formerly) is also the blatant example of their philosophy of violence and killing of innocent people .

Secondly , as far as Kashmir is concerned, how Pakistan is interested in this matter? Shimla Agreement signed between Bhutto and Indira Gandhi in 1974, which clearly mention that all parties will respect international border drawn post 1971- war, where Pakistan lost terribly leading to dismemberment of Pakistan , how has Kashmir certainly become relevant to Pakistan ? Moreover, which Kashmir they are talking about ? Are they talking about the part of Kashmir they have gifted to their political masters, China? Under what authority Pakis are talking about UN resolution ? Have people of Kashmir appointed Pakis as their advocate? Or Pakis have assumed this right themselves ? UN resolution is matter between India and people of Kashmir , how Pakis are interested in this matter?

NIkhil , you are a well meaning gentleman who tends to overlook the treachury unleashed by Pakis in Kashmir, killing and rape of hapless women , are they justified in the name of islam? I donot want to comment on your experiences with Pakis,but certainly I donot have very good experience with them , I better not deal with them.

People like Umair and Amir Ali are the internet faces of taliban and global jehad , so they are better ignored.

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Umair :

You should talk reason when you still have some, other wise, it is treated as bakwas ,look while dealing with Pakistan, the members of international community talks about terror threat emanating from Pakistan or illegal proliferators of nuclear technology by world famous Pakis like A.Q.Khan , nobody talks about growth , development , research and technology . Of course , people definitely talk about research but it is confined to the research of suicide bombers , or terrorists and other jehadi elements in Pakistan . While dealing with India, people of international community talk about growth, development, the whole international community in the time of recession, look towards India and China to spearhead growth to overcome global recession. Today, Indian PM has been invited to G20 summit in London to hear our views about global economy.

Moreover there is basic difference between India and Pakistan, the world’s cheapest cars are made with “Made in India” tag ,and the world’s cheapest terrorists are made “Made in Pakistan” tag.

While dealing with Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, the international community did not look towards Iran or any other country in the neighbourhood , but look towards Pakistan, they knew that it is easy to manipulate Pakis and involve them in this war. Now international community wants us to take the constructive role of building Afghanistan. Whereas Pakis are involved in war against terror in the words of Obama : “AFPAK Strategy” .

Umair , we are part of international community in growth, development , research and development of technology for human development , more than 2 million tourists from different part of the world including Pakistan visited India for medical treatment alone.

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Suleman Mania

you should be writing more on Pak Blogs if you are not already doing so. Amir and Umair are leading your countrymen down the path of self destruction.

Just Tday I follwed a short (shocking)discussion on CNN in which former US secretary of State Albright was in the panel. It seems Karzais govt. is considering legalizing rape of a wife(unwilling)by husband,just to appease the Taliban.Woman is inferior and slave- is it religion or savegery.

 

Umair and the other clowns,

The following video must make you very proud Pakistanis. The Taliban gives quick justice on the butt. Welcome to modern Pakistan!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/20 09/apr/02/swat-valley-flogging

 

Mauryan wrote
“The following video must make you very proud Pakistanis. The Taliban gives quick justice on the butt. Welcome to modern Pakistan!”

Umair should be feeling scared, this could happen with him too, for the newly found love affair with Patrick, his better half will be surely cut into half if talibs found them.

But It surely made me thank god several times, as I was born this side of Punjab.

Poor girl, What was her crime anyways ?

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It is not a surprise seeing the mindset of clowns like Umair and Aamir Ali. Looks like the brain power of Pakistan has been washed thoroughly with the same voice. Look at the article in Pak Tribune. They have been parroting the same thing: RAW is the real evil, India has nothing else to do except destroy Pakistan, Pakistan is made up of angels and so on. Read this article in a Pakistani tabloid called “Pak Tribune.” I emailed an author from this magazine and got the same filth in reply that these guys parrot on this forum – India is made up of poor, slums, corruption, Muslims are killed everyday to make chutney and so on.

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php  ?id=213162

 

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.php  ?id=213162

Seriously this looks like transcript of some lecture of another blabbering idiot Zaid Hamid

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Whatever Taliban is doing in pakistan is commendable. They should annihilate all pakis.

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Umair wrote:
What about India that doent honour UN resolutions on Kashmir, and then runs crying to the same UN to ask it to brand LeT as a terrorist organization?

-In Kashmir at the moment all your pro-Paki friends have been keeping their mouths firmly shut. They do not want to be seen as supporting the same groups from the Mumbai and Lahore attacks. They see a very insecure Pakistan that they could not possible align themselves with. Please do not bother to give me Zulfikur Bhutto’s speech about Kashmiris being Pakistani by kin, blood…etc.

LeT is your Paki creation. They attacked Mumbai and you have the nerve to say they are non-state actors in a series of denials. Now similar groups are attacking Pakistan from within. At the UN it was you, Pakistan, that was sitting in China’s lap sucking your thumb. you try so hard to get China to side with you that you will do almost anything.

Hey Umair, read this:

Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves fell by $170 million to $10.09 billion in the week ended March 28, the central bank said on Thursday (02/04/2009).

Once you have read it, go and get your begging bowl.

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Anju2008:
FYI, Simla Agreement was signed on 2 July 1972 (not 1974). What you said is true but Indira Gandhi could and should have done better. She was soft on the deal with Bhutto. Enemy needs to be crushed properly when the chance is there and she did not do a nice job there.

One agreement in the deal is:
“In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat of the use of force in violation of this line”

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also promised Mrs Indira Gandhi, that his country would accept the Line of Control (LOC) in the state of J&K as the de facto border and would not try ot de-stabilise it. This was not formally entered in the agreement because Bhutto said it would cause domestic problems for him at this juncture. Mrs Gandhi magnanimously accepted his promise and did not formalise that part of the agreement. But Pakistan, as later events were to prove, never kept its part of the deal.

Trusting a state like Pakistan was the blunder. Nevertheless even the written and signed Simla agreement is sufficient for Pakistan keep its filthy hands off India.

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My message to all Indians

Stop your bakwas because no body takes you seriously, dont tell me India is becoming the next super power, dont tell me India is a wonderland. I know the reality.

Same idiots who were telling me few weeks and months back that Pakistan is a failed state and will collapse in a metter of weeks can see we are standing on our feet. Decades and years later, you will see us much stronger.

Mauryan, you posted the video, I saw it on GEO TV today, this is certainly not people whe are projecting Islam. The TSNM(Tehrik Nifaz Shariat Muhammadi) sopkesman, Izzat Khan interviewed by GEO TV said that there are elements trying to poject Shariat and its implementation in Swat negatively. This was an attempt to influence the general public and instigate them against Islam. However a true muslim knows this is not Islam, there is an uproar here, there is an urgency to tame any of those fanatics who want to carry out unislamic acts in the name of Islam.

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Mauryan, Punjabiyaar:

From the link posted by Mauryan is this quote by a Pakistani blogger:

“In it was an article that CIA broke myth that muslim will not kill a muslim by Iran Iraq war,encouraged with results they then broke myth that Arab will not raise arms on an Arab by gulf war.More encouraged CIA is experimenting to fracture a society from within e.g.in Somalia,IRaq,Afghanistan and Pakistan and a new map has appeared in US armed forces journal in which all countries have been cut into size.But the practical aspect of achieiving is being done by the armed forces of muslim countries thats why also they are working to promote regional languages with this dismemberment in mind.Punjabistan may further be broken into Pothwar,Sariki and Punjab.Good luck armed forces of Pakistan.”

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MESSAGE TO ALL UMAIRS:

Please STOP your bakwas like:
…elements trying to poject Shariat and its implementation in Swat negatively. This was an attempt to influence the general public and instigate them against Islam.

The above lines a load of bullsh*t!!! No one needs to project Shariat negatively when it does the job perfectly with no one’s help.

Even those Taliban who killed your own Pakistani civilians in Swat in order to implement Shariat will not face trial. Do you call this justice? I WOULD APPRECIATE AN HONEST ANSWER.

Why don’t you cut out your BIG talk of nukes and ISI sort out your country.

27 March 2009:
Suicide bomber demolishes crowded mosque near the north-western town of Jamrud, killing dozens

3 March 2009:
Six policemen and a driver killed, and several cricketers injured, in ambush on the Sri Lanka cricket team in Lahore
20 Sept 2008:
54 die in attack on the Marriott hotel in Islamabad

6 Sept 2008:
Suicide car bombing kills 35 and wounds 80 at a police checkpoint in Peshawar

Aug 2008:
Twin suicide bombings at gates of a weapons factory in town of Wah kill 67

March 2008:
Suicide bombs hit police headquarters and suburban house in Lahore, killing 24

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To Umair:
@My message to all Indians, Stop your bakwas because no body takes you seriously,
–and who is that “no body”. I see no one having a problem with India’s talk. I was chatting with my neighbor, a US gentleman 87yr WWII marine and a retired doctor who was in south pacific for 5 yrs, was asking me what’s the problem with your neigbor Pakistan, why they cannot behave, why they are such a mess versus India born the the same time is among the top few countries in many fields despite the local problems, why India is seen responsible and Pak is not with Nukes, why US can trust India (with nukes) but not Pakistan in anything, why so many questions with Pakistan while dealing, why Pak cannot solve the problem without a terrorist or Asif Ali Zardari without poking pistol while hugging a guy and strapping a RC-controlled time-bomb to the guy to get $$$$ from the bank, is there an end to it?

Umair, what can I say to him–I did gave a postive spin that at personal level you are fine, but I had to agree with his observations. Now this is quite a detailed knowledge from a guy who said he never been to India/Pakistan. I saw atleast 100s-books of all kinds–all kind of authors, meaning he is well-read and knows what he is saying ad he has been in the business of national security. So the point is the world, examplified by this US guy, knows who is who. We do not have to say India is a peaceful country since that goes without saying. Presidents as early as Thomas Jefferson have commented on India–its secularity.

@dont tell me India is becoming the next super power,
–I do not think India is next superpower. Quite improbable. I am not into superpower business–it is a plain BS–but neither do I want India to live in a SH$T hole. Want India secure and Indians progress and of Pakistan does the same–good luck to them.

@dont tell me India is a wonderland. I know the reality.
–India is not a wonderland, but it is a land that attracted the invaders–must be a good reason. we know the past, the negative and postive aspects, but do not live in the glory of the past—that does not add any value today if we pause. We know the problems and dare to say yes to those problems and accept them-if there is fudamentalism, we say it does exist–but it does not stir the world outside India’s territories thus far–and there is only 1 way and that is to counter it and not to propagate them as strategic weapons. We have poverty but riches because of the Indian efforts. This is the land which even those who hate it also find love in it, eventually. I have seen that you do not know the reality of India. Reality will be telling the postives before you step into the negative zone. And I have not seen that happening from pakistani.

@Same idiots who were telling me few weeks and months back that Pakistan is a failed state and will collapse in a metter of weeks can see we are standing on our feet. Decades and years later, you will see us much stronger.
–In weeks is exageration but Gen Petraeus said 1-6 months and he is your ally.

@ This was an attempt to influence the general public and instigate them against Islam. However a true muslim knows this is not Islam, there is an uproar here, there is an urgency to tame any of those fanatics who want to carry out unislamic acts in the name of Islam.
–I have not seen the video but can imagine. You must know that this is fanatic Islam rather than rejecting them as non-Muslims. And I am yet to hear your views about LetT and other anti-India terrorists—are they non-Muslims and do you condemn them? I have seen you doing that multiple times against Shiv Sena, VHP etc who have not hurt Pakistan (negligible of there is in any way).

Umair et al, it is time you tone down your anti-India attitude. As a friend this is my advise.
If I was Patrick, I will say I’ll love you–just kidding.

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Umair the faithful writes: “Mauryan, you posted the video, I saw it on GEO TV today, this is certainly not people whe are projecting Islam.”

What do you mean by projecting Islam? Isn’t public flogging, stoning, cutting hands off, beheading, beating up one’s wife etc sanctioned in the Quran? What is there to project? They do it openly in Saudi Arabia. Wasn’t Taliban welcomed by people like you for providing quick justice? I remember that when discussions about truce with the Taliban was announced in the Swat valley. Now why are you trying to deny it? You have stood up for everything else so far that the rest of the world is accusing your country of.

“there are elements trying to poject Shariat and its implementation in Swat negatively. This was an attempt to influence the general public and instigate them against Islam.”

Who are these elements? Are you saying that the Taliban are non-violent peace makers? Be consistent in your stand. Do not jump ship every time the focus shifts. By doing this, you are making a complete fool out of yourself.

“However a true muslim knows this is not Islam, there is an uproar here, there is an urgency to tame any of those fanatics who want to carry out unislamic acts in the name of Islam.”

Any one can show you that public flogging is a part of Shria in any declared theocratic Muslim state. In Iran they do it openly. Why are you trying to hide?

 

Mauryan
Despite everything Islam is rising, Islam is still the fastest growing religion. Why do you find Mosques in New York, muslims in toronto, you have people practicing Islam in Australia, Africa everywhere.

After communism, Capitalism is collapsing. Multibillion dollar bailouts, financial and auto sectors are crashing in the west, UK is running for life, economies are loosing jobs just 650,000 were lost in US in March alone.

The next century belongs to Islam, Islam has given equal rights to women, equal economic opportunity and justice. Islam is a complete code of life, its not the muslims that exists in backward areas of tribal region. You will find them in West, men and women with hijab, men with beard, they live life according to Islam.

I know we need to educated some muslims in the tribal region, SWAt and FATA bring them into mainstream and equip them to face the challenges of the world. It is being done and the government is making effort to develop the tribal region.

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Be it Communism, Corporate Capitalism, Leninism, Marxism, Nazism, hinduism, I can tell you Islam is a complete code of life among all.
Right from the moment a child is born, (Azaan) call for prayer is given in his ears, he is bathed, later if boy circumcision is performed, after reaching age of 7 he is taught to read prayer(Namaz) 5 times daily. Quran is taught to him, and muslims today are gainig more and more higer education, when he is marriageable he gets married, and same way bring up his children. In business in job in every field of life their are rules set out, even in war there are rules.
And when a muslim leaves this world, (dies) his funeral is performed in an Islamic way. He is buried in a white cloth with honour. Muslim children would respect their elders and parents, not dump them in old age orphanages.
Islamic architecture is beautiful, there are so many positive things related to and given by Islam.

Many westerners who were born in non muslim homes converted to Islam and are living their lives according to Islam in the west.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_not able_converts_to_Islam

Just browse the list of notable people from different walks of lives, musicians, sportsmen, politicians, common people from East and West who converted to Islam.

Now when a rapper or Jazz musician from New York converts to Islam, whats your take on that Mauryan?

Any Indian open for discussion on Islam? Tell me how many muslims are there in US? we know there are millions in India. Gulf, Africa, Arabia, South East Asia, Australia, Americas. Can you name a continent without oa mosque or a notable city in the world without muslims.

Why are you so critical on a siongle incident taking place in a remote region of a muslim country? can you ignore billions of muslims who live across the globe?

5 MINUTES INTODUCTION TO ISLAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHujiWd49 l4&feature=PlayList&p=0EFE609B1CB0DA6D&p laynext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

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@Muslim children would respect their elders and parents, not dump them in old age orphanages.
-Umair wrote
–History tells otherwise son killed father and brother to get power during Mughal era.

@The next century belongs to Islam, Islam has given equal rights to women.
–next century? who knows-but you ruled out 90 yrs at least. “Equal rights to women”—you will make a great policy maker for your country. Also, Afghan govt (Muslims right?) would make it illegal for a woman to refuse to have sex with her husband and forbid her from leaving home without her husband’s permission. Polygamy by man and Burqa by a woman is not equal-It is oppression—Islamic may be. In Pakistan, women who report a rape are accused of zina and imprisoned while the rapers walk free. Islam is what you are giving to the people and not what you preach–have one version theory and practice.

@Be it Communism, Corporate Capitalism, Leninism, Marxism, Nazism, hinduism, I can tell you Islam is a complete code of life among all.
-The inflexibile code.

@Right from the moment a child is born, (Azaan) call for prayer is given in his ears, he is bathed, later if boy circumcision is performed, after reaching age of 7 he is taught to read prayer(Namaz) 5 times daily. Quran is taught to him, and muslims today are gainig more and more higer education, when he is marriageable he gets married, and same way bring up his children.
–such a sense of insecurity. A typical brainwash method-catch’em young. In a way, Muslims child is brainwashed from birth with no way out. Reigns of the brain are given to Islam (read religion)-pretty hardocore and add a twist of religious intolerance—I wonder how many moderates are actually left. No wonder some Muslims feel the sense of suffocation in this “have to do, no-way out, inflexible” environment. In west, I have seen this sense of “thanks I got out out of that religious envirnoment” attitude in some successful Muslims.

@In business in job in every field of life their are rules set out, even in war there are rules.
–as we have been discussing, Pakistan has no rules in war.

@Islamic architecture is beautiful, there are so many positive things related to and given by Islam.
-what are Pakistan’s achivements–a bomb that will destry the Islamic architecture!

@Many westerners who were born in non muslim homes converted to Islam and are living their lives according to Islam in the west.
-Perhaps that’s the fear that westerners have and are killing thousands of Muslims in these war on terror and give money to Muslims to do that job-I see that as a scenario when Brits were using Indians (read Hindus, Muslims and all religions) against fellow Indians.

Umair: These were my frank comments. On Hinduism, even Hindus cannot claim a full grasp for the vastness of it and you are so sure–non-serious stuff. I will not brag about Hinduism here like you do. Hinduism is vast and beyond the grasp of your narrow mind. You have to be open and receptive like a sponge to soak something. religious intolerance does not make you a sponge but a stone. So anything un-islamic will not be understandable to you. This superiority complex by Muslims is their downfall and the graph is downward and not up. You guys are stuck in the past-present that you are unable to decide what is good for your future.

Islam needs modification at personal leve and this mixing of religion with politics is hurting both.

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Umair wrote:
“The next century belongs to Islam, Islam has given equal rights to women, equal economic opportunity and justice. Islam is a complete code of life, its not the muslims that exists in backward areas of tribal region.”

Umair, stop painting islam as a equal rights and justice religion. Islam is started by a philophile, followed by idiots. If westerners are adopting islam, that does not means islam is growing, Its their religion which is shrinking.

If islam gives equal rights, why men are allowed to marry 4 women and, women are allowed to marry one man ??

Why women are beaten up and its legal in islam ?

Why Mukhtara mai has happened in Pakistan ?

Why does a 17 yrs girl got punished for getting out with her father in law ?

I just saw GEO TV where taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said that punishment was VALID but should be given indoor and not in front of people. Moreover nobody from the crowd helped that girl, instead they helped the punisher by holding hands of victim, So that fanatic can hit her hard.

Fcuk islam, Fcuk Taliban. World is getting sick of you.

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Rajeev
I didnt meant to start a war between Hinduism and Islam. I am just wondering how you read word by word and reply to each sentence. You are devoting so much time to prove what? That Hinduism is superior to Islam? Ok so be it, it doesnt matter, do you find hindu temples in every single country and hindus in every single country? no.

Send me a list of famous hindu converts, lets compare hinduism and Islam and we’ll know which is the vast religion.

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Millitants combined with other extremist elements are supported supplied and armed by India. The US shares this position with Pakistan and has recently initiated a program to train the military experts in counterinsurgency. A group of Pakistani controllers work with US embassy to ensure Pakistani F-16s flying sorties in Waziristan do not mistakenly shoot down CIA drones in the area. A complex combination of CIA operatives followed by ISI personnell in the area, Pakistan Army and joint US-NATO operation from the Afghan side on one hand and a combination of veteran Arab fighters, new Taliban, Uzbek, Chechens millitants on the other makes this a bloody quagmire. Its game over for the millitants, they have one course to follow: surrender or get killed.

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US plans $3bn military boost for Pakistan: report

http://www.brecorder.com

WASHINGTON (updated on: April 03, 2009, 15:34 PST): The US Defense Department has a three billion dollar plan to train and equip Pakistan’s military over the next five years, US media reported on Friday.

The funds would pay for helicopters, night-vision goggles and other equipment and counterinsurgency training for Pakistan’s special operations forces and Frontier Corps paramilitary troops, the New York Times said.

It quoted Pentagon officials as saying up to 500 million dollars could come from a yearly emergency war budget that President Barack Obama’s administration is to present to Congress next week.

But with some legislators expressing concern over the Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund, the top US military officer acknowledged that the United States had not mandated enough accountability for the funds.

“There hasn’t been an audit trail, and there haven’t been accountability measures put in place, and there needs to be for all the funds,” Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Times’s editorial board.

“So we’re going to do that. For this counterinsurgency money, which is important, it is critical that it goes for exactly that and nowhere else.”

Mullen said the Pakistani military must change its focus from fighting arch-foe India to combating militants and insurgents within its borders. “That’s not going to change overnight,” he said.

Mullen said insurgents operating in safe havens in Pakistan were preparing attacks against Afghanistan and Pakistan.

“The Taliban, in particular, are going both ways now,” he said. “They are coming toward Islamabad and they are actually going toward Kabul. I’m completely convinced that the vast majority of the leaders in Pakistan understand the seriousness of the threat.”

Mullen said last month that aid to Pakistan needed to be linked to concrete action but expressed confidence that the country’s military grasped the nature of the threat within its borders.

He said the Pakistani military leadership, including Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani, understood that the militants posed a threat to Pakistan itself.

“I have great confidence in General Kayani and in the Pakistani military,” said Mullen, who holds frequent talks with his Pakistani counterpart.

Despite the deployment of more than 100,000 troops, Pakistan has been unable to stop a wave of attacks by Taliban and al Qaeda-linked militants that have killed 1,700 since July 2007.

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Umair wrote:
“Send me a list of famous hindu converts, lets compare hinduism and Islam and we’ll know which is the vast religion.”

To understand Hinduism you need a very broad minded, concept of Hinduism will not fit into your narrow one. Hinduism needs no comparison or converts. Its above all of this.

Its only Islam which consider itself vast on scale of number of followers. Hinduism don’t care how many followers practice it and it will survive even if there is only one hindu or even if there isn;t any hindu left. While Islam is dying despite of billion followers.

You will not find any BIG converts in Hinduism because we dont think its as achievement for a religion. For today’s class You can be a Hindu while being a Muslim too. Hinduism is more than a religion its a way of life.

Forget it you will never understand

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Any Indians open for discussion on US military boost for Pakistan? How do you see it since Pakistan army and ISI are supporting terrorism(in opinion of Global watcher and bulletfish).
Can you pleae write letters to President Obama to stop helping Pakistan Military?
Here is his address:

The President of the United States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
USA
Tel: +1- 202- 456- 1111

But please wait for him, he is in France right now to attend a summit. Though I know he will tell you Pkaistan is an ally and US is doing what it seems necessary, but you can still try to sell him your opinions. You guys are keep wasting time on reuters blog, while military and economic assistance keep pouring in to Pakistan.

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Punjabiyar reckons:
“Its only Islam which consider itself vast on scale of number of followers. Hinduism don’t care how many followers practice it and it will survive even if there is only one hindu or even if there isn;t any hindu left. While Islam is dying despite of billion followers.”

Look there are 54 muslim nations in the world, Islamic Republics, Arab Kingdoms, Jamhuriyas etc. OPEC countries are overwhelmingly muslims possessing control on global oil supplies. Muslims are a power, if they control oil supply the western economies will choke and dry up like vapours. Just calculate the daily out of oil in barrels per day of Saudi Arabia.

India is a secular country, Nepal WAS a hindu Kingdom now they are a democracy after abolishing the monarchy. Give me name of a hindu country?

Look Punjabiyaar religion is always beautiful. I would have all the respect for hinduism, because there isi no such thing as evil. The lack of good is evil. There is no such thing as darkness, the lack of light is darkness. There is no such thing as hate, the lack of love is hate.

My message: Islam is a religion of peace.

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Umair the dodger writes: Mostly nonsense so far.

You simply denied the facts about public flogging, beheading, hand cutting etc as unIslamic. Then, you are following the method used by many who belong to militant organizations. I have come across LTTE propagandists, Hindu zealots, Christian fanatics, Skin heads etc.. So I can see the commonality of symptoms in you.

You not only dodged all my questions, but also switched into a deaf-ear mode. In this mode, people close their ears tight and start saying, “la la la la,” until the person who is talking to them gives up. Your method here is:

1. Islam is the fastest growing religion
2. Islam is the future
3. Islam preaches equality for women.
4. blah, blah, blah.

This tangential sweep immediately draws response for each item from reactive people. Noise is amplified. The original point is lost. As there are counter points raised for each one of the tangential issues that is raised, you throw in more tangential points – Give me the number of those who converted to Hinduism etc.

Then suddenly switch the topic and say terrorism inside Pakistan is India’s creation. Look at the number of responses from you as soon as I posted the reference to the video. This is called cover up technique. As soon as the thief is cornered, he throws glass beads towards the approaching crowd and every one who is running towards him steps on the glass beads, tumbles and falls and the thief makes an escape.

Good training. You are not alone in this. Fanatics are the same everywhere and their responses are very similar.

Let me see if you sincerely answer my questions. Go back a page or two and see what I asked you. I don’t need a lecture on Islam here. I know quite well about the limitations of religions and Islam is no exception to it.

 

Mauryan

I was in Saudi Arabia atleast three times, last on my way to South Africa in 2006, I evaded your questions because your not a muslim. You cant understand Islam.

However here is my reply: I break down your questions and will reply;

1. What do you mean by projecting Islam?
2. Isn’t public flogging, stoning, cutting hands off, beheading, beating up one’s wife etc sanctioned in the Quran?
3. What is there to project?
4. They do it openly in Saudi Arabia. Wasn’t Taliban welcomed by people like you for providing quick justice?
5. I remember that when discussions about truce with the Taliban was announced in the Swat valley. Now why are you trying to deny it?
6. Who are these elements?
7. Are you saying that the Taliban are non-violent peace makers?
8. Any one can show you that public flogging is a part of Shria in any declared theocratic Muslim state. In Iran they do it openly. Why are you trying to hide?

MY ANSWERS BELOW:
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1. By Projecting true image of Islam I mean to stand up and let the world know what Islam truly stands for, now thats pretty straight forward.

2. The Quran preaches to pray 702 times, many times in many verses Quran says to obey Allah(God) give alms to poor, respect parents, dont indulge into sinful behavior, it has 114 chapters. Quran is a vast book and yes it has verses that explain punishments for certain acts. But you are deliberately trying to misinterpret Quran. Go to Saudi Arabia, when the call of prayer is heard, jeweller shops are left open with and shop keepers and customers proceed for prayers in Mosque. No one steals as a hand of thief is cut in Saudi Arabia. In South Africa and west, armed robbery and car jackers go on rampage and get away with it.

3. The positive aspects of Islam are many and they need to be projected.

4. A Canadian citizen in Saudi Arabia on death row but everyone is given a fair trial, if you smuggle drugs in Saudi Arabia you head is chopped. Smugglers would urinate in the airplane before they dare smuggle a milligram of cocaine through Jeddah airport customs. In Johannesburg, Columbians smuggle truckloads. Taliban were welcomed only by poor Afghans who were sick and tired of war lords, the Taliban stabilized Afghanistan, gave protection to the weak against the warlords.

5. I dont live in a fools paradise, Taliban are a force to be reckon with. Lets accept them as human beings, bring them into mainstream and educated them. They will shed their illetracy and live like any other muslims in the world.

6. These elements are Uzbeks, Chechens, the Russians are involved, I have been talking to serving Pakistan Army officers, the elements are involved in violence in tribal area to destabilize. Taliban spokesman accused same elements to malign the Shariat and Islam. They should be seen seperate from local people who disapprove barbaric acts of violence.

7. I am not saying Taliban are non-violent peacemakers, what I am asserting is Taliban are not blood thirsty hounds. Lets find a grey area and accomodate them and bring them into mainstream.

8. Iranians are Shia, muslims have two sects, Sunni which are large in number and more predominant, Shias are mainly concentrated in Iran, Syria, some in Lebanon and Pakistan ofcourse. Islam is a vast religion. Pakistan is an “ISLAMIC REPUBLIC” where the constitution says no law will be promulgated in the country against Quran and Sunnat. In this age of internet and media I am not trying to hide anything, if they do public floggign in Iran I dont care. I am only telling you that Public flogging(except for islolated incident in Swat)is not done in Pakistan as a progressive muslim country.

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Mauryan, do some research, the west is plagued with alcoholism, while muslim nations largely are not. There is rape and prostitution, domestic violence, armed robberies, car jacking, serial killing, drug abuse, …..the list is so long. Most muslim countries have very low crime rates in the abovementioned crimes.

I am open for further rebuttals. But this is not a war of words, argue with me nicelay and I will talk to you.

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Umair Wrote:

“Look there are 54 muslim nations in the world, Islamic Republics, Arab Kingdoms, Jamhuriyas etc. OPEC countries are overwhelmingly muslims possessing control on global oil supplies. Muslims are a power, if they control oil supply the western economies will choke and dry up like vapours. Just calculate the daily out of oil in barrels per day of Saudi Arabia.”

Once again you started singing how great is Islam on basis of people who follow it, If islam was that great there would not be any non muslim in present world. That superiority complex will drown islam one day, just like it had drowned other religions and civilizations.

On the oil note, if West had not given you technology to extract oil and refine it for IC Engines, you people will still be living in stone age, riding donkeys as in Danish Cartoons. Seriously can you stop oil exports to west ? Do you think Saudis or any middle eastern country have capacity to stop an attack for oil ?

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Ounjabiyar you are an Islamophobic.

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In response to you bringning up the Danish Cartoons:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Po sten_Muhammad_cartoons#cite_note-3
A consumer boycott was organised in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait (led by MP Waleed Al?Tabtabaie[48]), and other Middle East countries.[49] For weeks, numerous demonstrations and other protests against the cartoons took place worldwide. Rumours spread via SMS and word-of-mouth.[50] On 4 February 2006, the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria were set ablaze, although with no injuries. In Beirut, the Danish Embassy was set on fire,[51] leaving one protester dead.[52] The Danish embassy in Teheran was also torched.[53] Altogether, at least 139 people were killed in protests, most due to police firing on the crowds,[1] mainly in Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Several death threats and reward offers for killing those responsible for the cartoons were made,[54] resulting in the cartoonists going into hiding.[55] Four ministers have resigned amidst the controversy, among them Roberto Calderoli and Laila Freivalds.[56] In India, Haji Yaqoob Qureishi, a minister in the Uttar Pradesh state government, announced in February 2006 a cash reward of Rs 51 crore (roughly about US$11 million) for anyone who beheads “the Danish cartoonist” who caricatured Mohammad.[57][58][59] Subsequently, a case was filed against Haji Yaqoob Qureishi in the Lucknow district court in Uttar Pradesh and demands were made for his dismissal by eminent Muslim scholars in New Delhi.[60] Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State of the United States accused Iran and Syria of organizing many of the recent protests in Iran, Syria and Lebanon.[61]

The Western media dubbed the series of demonstrations organized in February 2006 by certain Middle Eastern governments and radical clerics as the “Cartoon Intifada”.[62]

On 9 September 2006, the BBC News reported that the Muslim boycott of Danish goods had reduced Denmark’s total exports by 15.5% between February and June. This was attributed to a decline in Middle East exports by approximately 50%. “The cost to Danish businesses was around 134 million euros ($170m), when compared with the same period last year, the statistics showed.”

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Atleast muslim stand up and make their presence felt across the street and corners of the world when their religion and way of life is attacked.

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Umair Wrote:
“Taliban are a force to be reckon with. Lets accept them as human beings, bring them into mainstream and educated them. They will shed their illetracy and live like any other muslims in the world.”

You are contradicting yourself, you are speaking of educating talibans and forgive their sins. But in Saudi you advocate cutting hands of a thief and behead a drug smuggler. Thief is a human being too, so it a drug smuggler. This double standard exists only in one religion that is……

You also write
“the west is plagued with alcoholism, while muslim nations largely are not. There is rape and prostitution, domestic violence, armed robberies, car jacking, serial killing, drug abuse, …..the list is so long. Most muslim countries have very low crime rates in the above mentioned crimes.”

Alcholism is as bad as drugs, Afghanistan is a Muslim country and yet one of the largest grower and exporter of Opium. You speak of rape and prostitution, we all knows what you do with Mukhtaraan Mai in name of islam. Islam legalized prostitution in name of Polygamy.

You also speak of domestic violence, Islam allows to beat the wife when she refuses to obey the husband. This is Hypocrisy you are preaching.

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“Atleast muslim stand up and make their presence felt across the street and corners of the world when their religion and way of life is attacked.”

Yeah Yea Yea, what did you get in last, Cartoonist did not feel even sorry! Instead new series was released.

Saudi Oil is still flowing towards Denmark, Pakis still queue up in front of USA embassy for Visa.

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“Ounjabiyar you are an Islamophobic.”

Yes I am afraid of this cancer. So what ! Everybody is a Islamophobic today, no body know where will be the next islamic attack

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Punjabiyar
“Pakis still queue up in front of USA embassy for Visa.”

yea yea yea and the Swdish, Germans, Canadians, British all stamp their passports. You would find them working, living and studying every where in the world.

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@Umair,

In response to your statements, if Islam is a religion of peace, why so many Genocides of other nations? Why so many beheadings? Why are non-muslims treated like Dhimmi’s and Kaffirs? Why are women treated like meat? or even lower than a dog?

Don’t forget, its the Quran that is the manual for the suicide bxxbers, they often raise the great book and say the name of allah before they kill. They were reciting the Quran, before they behead and kill, they were not reading a Spiderman Comic before they behead their innocent victims.

If Islam is so peaceful, why has it not spurned even one peaceful person, who is famous or advocates non-violence, equality or rationality? Why has there not been one person like Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr. or another great pacifists?

Just a parting few words of thought please find the below verse, I believe it was one of those peaceful ones you are referring to:

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

Yes, peaceful indeed.

If you notice suicide bxmbers and terrorists often shout Allahu Akhbar before they kill and behead, these guys are quite proud of their Islamic background. You never see hindus, christians, sikhs and buddhists do these things….why??

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Umair,

Thanks for your replies. I have never questioned the spiritual aspects of Islam. Every religion has two sides to it – spiritual and social customs. The latter one gives the identity to the followers of a religion.

Every religion has questionable social customs. We all know what Sharia rules prescribe. But it feels terrible to see a poor girl being beaten so brutally. No one is holding you responsible. Just because you are Muslim and the Taliban are Muslim, you don’t have to defend their actions. That is why you got the response you got. What you should have done is condemn it out right instead of defending Islam (fastest growing religion etc). If you are fair, express fairness where it matters. Everything inside Pakistan is not perfect as you believe. There are holes in every system. India has a lot of holes too. And we will not deny it when mentioned.

The problem we find with you is that you are over defensive and without even thinking, you get into a denial mode. If you see others, they argue between each other some times on different issues. No one has a unanimous voice. i have argued with Rajeev, Anup etc on Kashmir. Everyone’s opinion counts. But blind statements which become repetitive are useless.

We all respect Islam as a religion. We may not like some of the social customs in Islam. Hinduism has its own social issues too and we admit that – we still have caste prejudice in pockets, backwardness etc.. No one is denying that. But we also know that there is at least an effort in place to come out of these maladies and they take time.

Most countries which became US allies have prospered – Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, UK, West Germany and so on. China has become one of the largest economic power houses by working with the US. Even India has leap frogged into a higher economic status due to business alliance with the US. Pakistan, on the other hand, has been a dear ally of the US for over 50 years. Look where it has reached? Can you simply blame external reasons for this condition? No. Your culture is war mongering and it prides itself in acquiring weapons and over building itself in terms of military capability. India is not a threat, but your leaders have used this as a ploy to arm your country to its teeth. At the end, nothing has been done to build your country. Taliban is a result of economic backwardness. Youth take up arms because of unemployment and no proper education. In the US, they have gangs like Bloods and Crips who are made up of urban youth who grow up in drug infested poor neighborhoods. I see no difference between them and the Taliban. But they do not justify their actions in terms of the Bible.

The next time, try to be fair and you will not see such a harsh response from me and others. Everything Pakistani need not be the greatest thing in the world. You guys need help and we will gladly do that if you reach out to us. If you turn against anyone, they are going to turn hostile.

 

@Mauryan,

Mauryan, you are right, every religion has some questionable things about it. So long as it makes you a better human being towards others and don’t look at others as inferior, I think that is a respectable way to practice one’s religion. I however do not respect those that turn a blind eye to backwardness, to basic human dignity and decency and call themselves believers in God. I also do not respect someone who does not have the sense to realize that rules and customs from the desert, from the year 800 do no apply in a modern context anymore.

It is that backwardness, that no body is willing to reform or question, because they consider their foundations too weak to be questioned in a rational and sane manner. To question one, often provokes angry, violent outbursts, often doing this to leave the question unanswered and to divert the issue and at the same time, hoping to instill fear at the person asking the question.

I don’t agree with every custom and practice in Hinduism, but I believe in the good things it preaches, like compassion, sharing, helping others. Hinduism has less to do with expansionist religious thinking than it has more to do with living a good life day by day.

In Hindu religion, it never mentions killing, or lopping off of any body parts, or conquereing over those who do not believe what you do. Its more about live and let live.

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