Comments on: India not the enemy, U.S. tells Pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-17275 Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:32:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-17275 @I am fine with a merged Kashmir with no military presence and open borders. The problem is India which knows the only reason the only reason it has control of Kashmir is the indian army. Hence India never agree to withdrawl of its criminal troops from Kashmir.
– Posted by Aamir Ali

Aamir Ali, Before Kashmiri terrorism there was no Army/paramilitray force in Kashmir and that is the fact. 500,000 Hindus left Kashmir after Pakistan inititated this blood bath. Before you wrote check it/cross-check it (I can give you the link). kashmiris are in Indian Army fighting terrorism and proudly if you missed the news. I can give you the link.

@Regarding Balochis, the problem there is of British-created feudal system which gets money and arms from Afghanistan, through Indian consulates, and then commits sabotage and blackmail in Pakistan.
–Would you take a little effort to substantiate your allegation by some evidence? A Pakistani blogger tried his best to look for some evidence or some article on these conspiracy theories that ISPR creates and you are so hingry for them. I can give you US saying there is no evidence that India is helping any such element inside Pakistan.

I prefer if you have some thing to back up mere statements are useless.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-16968 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:04:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16968 @Rajeev

I am fine with a merged Kashmir with no military presence and open borders. The problem is India which knows the only reason the only reason it has control of Kashmir is the indian army. Hence India never agree to withdrawl of its criminal troops from Kashmir.

Regarding Balochis, the problem there is of British-created feudal system which gets money and arms from Afghanistan, through Indian consulates, and then commits sabotage and blackmail in Pakistan.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-16522 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:23:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16522 @Global Watcher
What you call terrorism in Kashmir, we and the Kashmiris call it a freedom struggle. If you want this armed struggle to end, withdraw the 500K Indian occupation army and apologize to the Kashmiris for 60 years of oppression, violence and rape of their women that you have inflicted upon them.
– Posted by Aamir Ali

–Dear Ali, if you care so much about Kashmiris (which you do not care anymore than you care about Balochis), ask for the merger of POK and Indian Kashmir and have that Kashmir in India—This will save you the burden of controlling your land too, which you are facing difficulty these days. This is what the progressive Kashmiris want. This will lead to pulling back of 500K Indian Army and Indian Hindus meeting their long-lost Kashmiri brothers. Say Yes for Kashmiris.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-16445 Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:39:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16445 @Global Watcher

What you call terrorism in Kashmir, we and the Kashmiris call it a freedom struggle. If you want this armed struggle to end, withdraw the 500K Indian occupation army and apologize to the Kashmiris for 60 years of oppression, violence and rape of their women that you have inflicted upon them.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-16256 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:21:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16256 Abid @Global Watcher

You keep on Pakistan-bashing and claiming its all correct and we will continue defending Pakistan and claim its legitimate.

Returning to topic, Pakistanis view India as an enemy due to the 60 years of hostitility and the dispute over Kashmir. Interactions with Indians, such as on this forum, further reveal the hatred and viciousness which Indians have for Pakistan and Islam.

Thank God for the nukes to keep the Indians at bay.

Abid..

As I said in my earlier post discussing with Umair, there can be no discussion on Kashmir until Pakistan reigns in its entire Terrorism Infrastructure, destroys it completely and transparently and Pakistan redefines itself outside a religious context. India needs Iron Clad safety and security guarantees. Indians are not terrorists, you don’t see Indians doing terrorism in the UK, it is all Pakistani’s and Pakistani Students on illegal VISA’s. You are speaking from a very weak position. Your nukes are not needed against India. India has never aggressed another nation since its entire history. Let’s be clear on that.

You have been brainwashed by your government, madrassas and to some extent by your loved ones to believe and fear the great and terrible green monster called India wants to annihilate Pakistan. India has never preemptively launched any attacks on Pakistan, nor has it ever staged proxy wars against Pakistan.

Be willing to step back and realize that what you have been fed your whole life as truth, may not be entirely as it has been told to you. If you can do that, you will opened up to a much larger reality of things.

You Pakistani’s I sometimes feel, are hell bent on hating India. Pakistan has many mistakes to admit and deal with, but prefers to keep its animosity with India, for a lack of a comprehensive policy to mend its ways for the future.

Please end your proxy armies and ISI sponsored terror on us, we just want to progress and live quiet peaceful and happy lives. Just go away.

So if Kashmir is “settled”, then what? Then the ISI will keep pushing further into India, while quietly claiming it as a victory, then the Jihadis will start to tear into Gujarat and the rest of India…For get it buddy. At present the way Pakistan the way it is, it is untrustworthy and not capable of negotiating honestly and in good faith.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-16243 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:43:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16243 @Global Watcher

You keep on Pakistan-bashing and claiming its all correct and we will continue defending Pakistan and claim its legitimate.

Returning to topic, Pakistanis view India as an enemy due to the 60 years of hostitility and the dispute over Kashmir. Interactions with Indians, such as on this forum, further reveal the hatred and viciousness which Indians have for Pakistan and Islam.

Thank God for the nukes to keep the Indians at bay.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-16241 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:16:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16241 @Abid,

Please point out any comments made by any bloggers that are not true. You need not be stubborn and keep defending the undefendable. If there is a valid fact based gripe one has with Pakistan or India, they are free to speak their mind. If you feel numb or impotent to provide a good response, please don’t corner and resign yourself to call everybody here Pakistani bashing. Those are the words of a defeatist who has given up.

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By: Abid http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-3/#comment-16238 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:18:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16238 @Sanjeev
So this forum is officially for Indian to bash Pakistan, that is why you removed some comments?

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-3/#comment-16225 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:04:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16225 Umair,

I have to humbly disagree with one thing with you. For me, I am a human being before a Hindu. I am Indian second and Hindu third. This is the order and the logical way it has to be, for all to be able to live with each other in a respectful way. This creates the basis for pluralism, democracy and secularity. I think Pakistan, although it may have worked from its inception, has to redefine itself in more modern concept, rather than a religious one. If Pakistan can do this, Pakistan will be very prosperous and India and Pakistan can one day have an “open” border.

For any country to be progressive, democratic, advanced, forward thinking the individual has to be first:

1)identified as an equal human being to all others, regardless of religion, culture, sex or political group
2)identified as national of his or her country
3)identified with regards to his or her religion

Just think about it, that is why so many different people in India cal live together. In Pakistan, this order is completely reversed, and this is one of the root causes of so many of its problems. Pakistan will be incapable of democracy if it does not follow the above order.

I respect you considering yourself a muslim first.

But I beg you to step back and reconsider that in a modern day context and consider the butcher, wars, old hatreds, wars and millions who have died. Consider religious equality and tolerance, then you will understand why I say a person is human, then country then religion third.

If you could step back for a second and use your imagination to visualize what is possible on a grander scale, if a person is a human being first. Do not be afraid to question or challenge what you have been told from Childhood. Learning is a lifelong process, sometimes you have to scrap old notions and old ways of thinking and looking at things and ask yourself, are these rules applicable today in a modern day context?

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By: Umair http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/06/india-not-the-enemy-us-tells-pakistan/comment-page-3/#comment-16217 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:38:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2440#comment-16217 Global watcher
Sane words of wisdom thank you. Let me add here, can we also include nationalism to religion as well. Some bloggers also have a habit of bashing others as a country/nation. You might want to stand for nationalism along with religion. Would that make sense? Countries exist of land where ‘people’ live. No country is good or bad, its the people living in it that matter and most of them are generally good.

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