A letter for Pakistan’s Kayani from an Indian officer

April 19, 2009

A retired Indian Army officer has written an open letter to Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani that Pakistan’s The News carried this week and which is now popping up on blogs.

Colonel Harish Puri says it is incredible that the Pakistan Army allowed something as reprehensible as the public flogging of a teenage girl in the Swat  Valley without lifting a finger, even though it coudn’t have happened very far from an army checkpoint.

For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India,  and acquitted itself well in  U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.

The Pakistan Army’s inability to jam militant radio broadcasts in the region that have helped spread their power around is equally incomprehensible, Puri, who is from the army’s Signals unit, says. (The United States has just begun a broad effort in Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from making these broadcasts, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.)

Puri urges Kayani to act, not just for the sake of Pakistan but the entire region. “It doesn’t matter if it is “my war” or “your war” – it is a war that has to be won.”

An Indian Army oficer writing to the Pakistan Army chief is rare and the fact that the letter is published in a Pakistani newspaper even more extraordinary.

Or perhaps these are unprecedented times. McClatchy newspapers ran a story this week quoting U.S. experts as saying Pakistan was a “disaster in the making on the scale of the Iranian revolution.”  Counter-insurgency expert David Kilcullen has been quoted as saying Pakistan could collapse within months.

The sense of foreboding has risen with the international cricket authorities taking away the hosting rights for the 2011 World Cup from Pakistan, citing an uncertain security situation.

The tournament is still two years away, but it didn’t stop the International Cricket Council from making an early call on the security situation in the country. The tournament will be played in co-host nations –  India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.

[Army chief Kayani with troops and supporters of a radical cleric in Islamabad]

Comments

Mr. Mauryan i appreciate your concern about the size of Pakistan, but we cannot forget that when we deal with enemy its not about the size but how much he can be danger. Take a example of tiny Vietnam it make US on knees and Small Cuba Still a big trouble for west and how could we forget Might USSR threw out from Afghanistan. So the point is we should concentrate how to dismantle Pakistan strength.

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Aamir Ali,You’re an idiot. If you cannot identify the logical fallacies in your comment, you’re wasting precious oxygen with your continued existence. Hopefully, you won’t pass your stupid genes to the next generation.

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Hassan wrote: “but kashmir is a big issue and your failed attempt to ignore it, shows the lack of “expertise” that you try and show in these forums. you are righ in the sense of why would kashmire want to be part of pakistan only to fall into the hands of the taliban, well why should they be occupied by india and live at the hands of the indias who prefer seeing them dead?? it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.pakistan’s problem of the taliban and its failed and weak attempts to deal with is troubling and is a thorn in the side for muslims world wide, these neanderthals and their made up version of islam is a joke. however let’s not ignore the extremist of india other wise knows as the BJP whose is more in control of the government. you can deny this if u wish, but we all know this is true.”Kashmir is a big issue to Pakistan. It’s not for us in India. No one certainly wishes death to Kashmiris here. Why is Pakistan so concerned with Kashmir anyway? How about cleaning up Pakistan’s own house before they try to help the neighbors? History bears witness that Hindus and Muslims were living more or less peacefully in Kashmir before Pakistan dipped in muddy hands into the pool and dirtied it with the insurgency.BJP and it’s coterie of idiot parties are at least willing to take part in the democratic process. Problem is, no one in Pakistan seems to be willing to follow the rules that Pakistanis created to run it.Pakistan has to realize that having a few dozen nuclear weapons doesn’t make them invincible. Not with a homegrown insurgency, divided politicians, military commanders who don’t understand that they serve under the politicians and not over them, a defunct economy and of course an angry America and India. Be afraid, Pakistan, and find sanity for you’re squandering your future away for no reason at all.

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UmairI have seen Pakistan Army web site, undoubtedly Pakistan Army is brave and faithful , when they massacred more than 3 million innocent people in formerly east pakistan and raped millions of women in the name of allah ? I belive if this is islam, and if killing innocent people is jehad, nobody is a purer muslim than Pakistani Army ?

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manuryan,again you down the play your own points. if kashmir is not of importance to india then why do they contineu to keep their dirty hands in their. the islamic insurgency that temporairly came from there was a direct result of the illegal occupation by india. it is widely known that the kashmiris are not extremsit, never have been and never will, their own “islamic insurgency” was ended quickly on their own doing. you said BJP is not taliban and not al-qaeda.they may not use the same tactics, but their goals are the same. taliban/al-qaeda use islam and claim they just want “islamic law” yet they are a bunch of illiterate bafoons who can’t even read the quran much less implement it. the BJP has used violence in its own ways, have you forgotten the attack on the parliament a few years ago, and didn’t at that time, they tried to blame pakistan?? i believe so, which they embarassingly with drew the charge later. and why do you contionously choose to ignore the violent attacks by BJP and its related parties on christians and sikhs as well? as i said before, pakistan is joke now, its worthless government has sold it to the arabs and has made it self a factory/warehouse for wahabbisim/extremisim. pakistan was founded by a shia muslim, yet its people and its government are allowing the shias to be slaughtered at an alarming rate, so the fact that it claims it self to be an “islamic country” is false. I’m not trying to defend one side over the other, but if you are going to sit there and try and think that india is some peace loving country that does’t mean its neighbor any harm, than that it self is ignorance. let’s not forget the indian army killing thousands of innocent villagers and poor people in the mountains that fired shells and bombs on. indians hands are just as bloody as pakistan’s are.

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Hassan writes: “again you down the play your own points. if kashmir is not of importance to india then why do they contineu to keep their dirty hands in their. the islamic insurgency that temporairly came from there was a direct result of the illegal occupation by india. it is widely known that the kashmiris are not extremsit, never have been and never will, their own “islamic insurgency” was ended quickly on their own doing.”You said you are a proud American, who does not care much about the toilet bowl named India-Pakistan region. But let me read your words here back to you – “their dirty hands”, “illegal occupation,” etc. This tells me that you are a Pakistani who emigrated to the US, keeping your original bias in tact. Why do you expect me to be understanding your view point when you have already pre-judged?I have my own views on Kashmir and went into a very lengthy argument with my fellow Indians on this blogspot not long ago. A lot of things could have been done right and the opportunities were missed. The reality now is very different. Decisions have to be made based on the current situation rather than from the past condition. Today, as a concerned individual for all Kashmiris – Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in the region, I prefer them to be protected against radical elements in Islam that have begun to destroy the region. We just saw Swat valley go into mud. I do not want to see Kashmiris suffer the same fate, just because they are Muslims. India cannot and will not act based on Pakistan’s conditions. Its own existence as a single nation is now under threat. So I’d let them sort that out first before worrying about Kashmir. And as an American, I’d like you to be more neutral. Or if you prefer to keep your old Pakistani bias, then you will not get the right answer that you desire from us.

 

Hassan writes: “you said BJP is not taliban and not al-qaeda.they may not use the same tactics, but their goals are the same. taliban/al-qaeda use islam and claim they just want “islamic law” yet they are a bunch of illiterate bafoons who can’t even read the quran much less implement it.”Their goals are not the same. I think you do not know much about India or its politics and as a result are making conclusions from afar. BJP wants to come to power, just like any other political party in India. Congress burned Indian Punjab triggering Khalistan movement and when Indira Gandhi payed the price for her acts, innocent Sikhs were slaughtered by Congress led goons and not the BJP. Sikhs have not gotten their justice to date on this issue. Every political party in India uses violence as a means to quicken their progress and grab power. There are various regional parties who engage in riots on various reasons and they’d love to have issues burning forever since that will help their power consolidation and survival. This is pretty much what Pakistani military has been doing as well – keeping the Kashmir problem, Hindu threat, war in the region etc alive in order to sustain its hold on power. India is a huge country and BJP can never hold them all together.”the BJP has used violence in its own ways,”Read above. Violence has become a part of the game for many political parties in India to grab on to power. Young politicians are taking to instigating violence and triggering sentiments in order to make quick progress. Look at Varun Gandhi or Uddhav Thackaray. People do not have much respect for such politicians in our country. Votes are decided based on issues rather than religion in India.”have you forgotten the attack on the parliament a few years ago, and didn’t at that time, they tried to blame pakistan?? i believe so, which they embarassingly with drew the charge later.”I do not recall any embarrassing withdrawal. All I know is that Pakistan sponsored militants attacked our parliament and our government had every right to seek justice. They were halted from proceeding by the Americans who had waged a similar war because their territory was attacked brazenly. So we still wonder why there is this double standard in this world. US and its allies threaten to close down all businesses with India if it went to war with Pakistan. So India had to tone down.”and why do you contionously choose to ignore the violent attacks by BJP and its related parties on christians and sikhs as well? “Who did? I did not. Many of us don’t. How do you draw such conclusions? You are assuming all Hindus to be monolithic in views and emotions. But Hindus have extreme diversity and do not look at everything the same way. BJP has support only in some regions. In about 60% of the country, they do not have much base and are relying on coalition partners to come to power. We have communist states and atheistic states as well.

 

Amit writes: “we cannot forget that when we deal with enemy its not about the size but how much he can be danger. Take a example of tiny Vietnam it make US on knees and Small Cuba Still a big trouble for west and how could we forget Might USSR threw out from Afghanistan. So the point is we should concentrate how to dismantle Pakistan strength.”I know very well that size is not a critical factor. UK could rule the whole world once. But size alone should not be a factor. Pakistan simply does not compare with India, just like Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka etc do not. Do you agree? The only nation that compares in every aspect with India is China and we all know that India lags behind China. We accept that and are careful not to mess with the Chinese. And it is my wish, Pakistan did the same in the case of India.I do not buy your examples of Vietnam and Cuba. They are very similar to Afghanistan. They were cold war battle fields where the super powers waged war using local foot soldiers and in each case one of them lost. Vietnam or Cuba or Afghanistan by itself could never have handled one of the super powers. They would have been crushed like Tibet.India has its needs and it is doing what it can to meet those needs. The threats it faces are very real and it has to take counter measures. If other countries saw this as a threat and began to arm themselves beyond their means, they are most welcome to it. It is their nation and they can do whatever they want. But we don’t need their approval on how we handle our defense. We have multiple threats and we need to handle them based on our priorities and not based on what the rest of the world wants us to do.

 

Umar writes:@What does your military indulges into? absolutely nothing. Its absolutely useless, why do you guys spend so much on your military? It cant even protect its borders, where terrorists sail in happily and kill your people in the cities. And telly ou what our military is REALLY Mujahideen. If you have a doubt open up official Pakistan Army website and see the emblem of Pakistan Army, the motto of Pakistan Army is:IMAN (Faith)TAQWA (PIETY)JIHAD FE SABILILLAH (FIGHT IN THE PATH OF ALLAH)Each one of us is a Mujahid, you have 173 million Mujahideen in Pakistan. The Americans know it very well, you guys are doubtful. Just mess with us and we will show you.–Umair: On Pakistami Army’ motto: Even Taliban, Al-Qaida, LeTs, JeM terrorist outfits have well-meaning names. But in reality the world knows their business dealings are cruel include beheadings, killing innocents.Accept my congratulations on your misperception and amnesia about Indian Arm’s uselessness and that Americans do not the ba$$s to fight with Pakistan. Could you use this misperception of Pakistani Army’s bravery against the real enemies, the terrorists/Taliban who are sitting where Nukes cannot be used and has FAITH which Pakistani Army has and is also “FIGHTING IN THE PATH OF ALLAH. Clearly Pakistan considers these beheaders/floggers as friends & is waiting for the time when US withdraws and Goldern era will start.Guys, IT IS ACCEPTED BY PAKISTANI JOURNALISTS (LIKE KAMRAN SHAFI & IRFAN HUSAIN) WHO HAVE BEEN PUBLISHING CONSISTENTLY THAT PAKISTANI GOVT IS GUTLESS AND THAT PAKISTANI ARMY LACKS RESOLVE AND SOLDIERS ARE NOT LED FROM FRONT BY THE OFFICERS (REMEMBER INDIAN COL SAID THE SAME THING). I will trust them more than the naive/biased bloggers from Pakistan.Here is a piece by Kamran Shafi and who I believe knows more about India and Pakistan.http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/con nect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newsp aper/columnists/kamran-shafi-cravenness- everywhere

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Rajeev, Mauryan,I think Indian army could flatten Pak army in two weeks and U.S. Military could flatten Pak Army in one and a half weeks. Never mind the nxkes, they are “MADE IN CHINA” and will likely not work.Any takers on how long it will take?

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@it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.-HassanHassan: Could you please suggest the solution acc to you at this time, considering everything? Only people who are close to ground realities are those who face the music in Kashmir. Be careful that in reality on the grounds, there are facts, exagerations and conspiracy theories. On issues like Kashmir one could give an opinion based upon one’s understanding of the current situation, the history and probable future.FYI: Kashmiri (Muslims), WILLNGLY AND PROUDLY-are serving as soldiers in Indian Army to fight against terrorists.Read below an article on “Shabir Ahmed Malik who was among eight Indian soldiers killed in a gun battle earlier this week with separatist militants in Kupwara.”http://forum.pakistanidefence.c om/index.php?s=38ad7ce922c11aa9db1f85aa0 ac4a387&showtopic=81649&pid=1132418&st=0 &#entry1132418

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@Rajeev, Mauryan,I think Indian army could flatten Pak army in two weeks and U.S. Military could flatten Pak Army in one and a half weeks. Never mind the nxkes, they are “MADE IN CHINA” and will likely not work.Any takers on how long it will take?- Posted by Global Watcher–Currently the issue is Taliban and the bunch of terrorists/the fundamentalists trying to snatch power from Pakistan. If they succeede that will be trouble. But I believe Pakistani Army will let that happen. There might be lot of blood bath but I believe Pakistani Army, willingly or pressurized by US will have to do the dirty job. At the final call for making decision, many in Pakistan will not like to live under Talibanized Pakistan with Sharia supermacy. If Pak is doubtful, US will make sure Pakistani move their lazy a$$. US has done that in 2001 by pressurizing Musharraf’s to make a U-turn against Afghani Taliban. If everything else fails, it will be Chief Kayani’s turn to make U-turn against this Taliban.From Indian POV also, war is not the solution. Rather it will be like giving unnnecessory reason to Pakistani Army to show its bravery itching to show its bravery outside Pakistan and that will allow a definite merger of Pakistani army and terrorists of all kinds. India has to play wait & watch game, but be prepared. US will also not enter into direct war as I said, it will make Pakistan do that. How about China, is China less worried? I doubt they want to deal with this new version of Pakistan.

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Umar writes: “What does your military indulges into? absolutely nothing. Its absolutely useless, why do you guys spend so much on your military? ……Lmao! Again, a bunch of baseless, fact-less & moronic Mullah rhetoric from an ignorant Pakistani. We’ll do this, we’ll do that, defeat the Americans & Indians etc etc.Yeah, the Indian army is useless & that’s why it has perfected the art of kicking the A$$ of the ‘brave’ Pakistani army, including, absolutely humiliating it in 1971. The ‘brave’ Pakistani army is currently the laughing stock of the entire world & is being harshly criticized by most Pakistani intellectuals as well.BTW, India spends App. 2.5% of it’s GDP on defense, which is one of the lowest in the world & Pakistan spends App. 7% of it’s GDP, which is amongst the highest in the world. What is the achievement of the ‘brave’ Pakistani army even after this kind of spending?Losing the country in bits & pieces, to a bunch of rag-tag hoodlums? GREAT ACHIEVEMENT!

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Rajees – “If Pak is doubtful, US will make sure Pakistani move their lazy a$$. US has done that in 2001 by pressurizing Musharraf’s to make a U-turn against Afghani Taliban. If everything else fails, it will be Chief Kayani’s turn to make U-turn against this Taliban.”I think, that might not happen this time around. The Pakistani army is making it quite clear, with it’s actions or rather inaction, that it does not want to fight the Taliban & other extremist forces. An overwhelming Public opinion in Pakistan is Anti-American & Pro-Taliban, except some liberals like Ahmed Rashid etc, which form a minuscule segment of the Pakistani society.I think, once the Taliban take control of Pakistan, the Pakistani army will openly support it & hence the US, NATO, India will have no choice but to attack Pakistan.

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@Rajees – “If Pak is doubtful, US will make sure Pakistani move their lazy a$$. US has done that in 2001 by pressurizing Musharraf’s to make a U-turn against Afghani Taliban. If everything else fails, it will be Chief Kayani’s turn to make U-turn against this Taliban.”I think, that might not happen this time around. The Pakistani army is making it quite clear, with it’s actions or rather inaction, that it does not want to fight the Taliban & other extremist forces. An overwhelming Public opinion in Pakistan is Anti-American & Pro-Taliban, except some liberals like Ahmed Rashid etc, which form a minuscule segment of the Pakistani society.I think, once the Taliban take control of Pakistan, the Pakistani army will openly support it & hence the US, NATO, India will have no choice but to attack Pakistan.- Posted by Mortal—-I hope you are wrong, but let us see. I wonder what will US do. Leave quietly? or stay? but for what? to catch elusive Al-Qaida by playing those video games by firing drones? That will be a joke. What will be the face-saving solution for them?Any Pakistani want to comment??? Is Pakistan ready to fight the beheaders or planning for hug&kiss.This is the perfect time to behead the beheaders. This is the time when you can forget about human rights violations. Please do not go down the history as animal (Taliban) right activists!!!

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Rajeev – “—-I hope you are wrong, but let us see. I wonder what will US do. Leave quietly? or stay? but for what? to catch elusive Al-Qaida by playing those video games by firing drones? That will be a joke. What will be the face-saving solution for them?”I also hope I’m wrong, Rajeev, but it looks like the likeliest scenario at this time. That’s of course, unless Pakistanis suddenly wake up & realize, what they are getting into. No force can prevent Pakistan from being taken over by extremists, if it’s populace & army want it that way and so far, neither has done anything to fight the wave of extremism, which is sweeping their country.As for, whether the US will stay or leave after the Talibanization of Pakistan, I don’t think the US has a choice but to stay & fight, for it’s own security, if not for anyone else’s. The US very well knows that it can’t leave Pakistan & let it become another pre-9/11 Afghanistan. The US also knows that the Talibanization of Pakistan is imminent. It is simply buying time, so that it can withdraw it’s troops from Iraq in time & get ready for Pakistan. In any eventuality, it’ll be one bloody mess.A note of caution for India: After 9/11, the US drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan & into Pakistan. This time around, where will the Taliban be driven to? They will make every attempt to infiltrate India & therefore Indian troops will have to be vigilant & ready, at the borders.

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Umair,Your fav. Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha will surrender to the Taliban and betray the U.S. Mark my words. Surrender is what your un prof army does best, historically, or kill innocent unarmed civilians in the millions and rape them.When they backstab the U.S. the U.S. votership and lawmakers will not tolerate another failure like Iraq, are you ready for a barrage of U.S. cruise missiles and Shock and Awe in Pakistan?

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Among those of us who work as analysts in the west, the discussion has already begun about the ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan. In government circles in Washington, Ottawa, London, Brussels, Canberra, etc. there is already deep, deep concern about whether the Pakistan Army is doing enough to reverse the tide.The US under Obama also looks set to take a much tougher stance on Pakistan, and in particular the Pakistani military. There will be tighter conditions on military aid (no more fighters and surface to air missiles) and a renewed focus on the development of civil society. There will also likely be some very stringent targets on aid. The conditionality of the IMF bailout was a good taste of what’s to come. Pakistan’s politicians and generals are going to have their work cut out for them for sure.

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Mortal writes: “After 9/11, the US drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan & into Pakistan. This time around, where will the Taliban be driven to? They will make every attempt to infiltrate India & therefore Indian troops will have to be vigilant & ready, at the borders.”Taliban cannot spread into India. It does not have conducive environment for it. May be they can try to move into Kashmir. But there is a 500000 strong Indian military there, which will be very different from what the Taliban has been used to in their country. These are real soldiers and they will fight. On the West side of India is the huge Rajasthan desert. On the South is the swamp of Kutch. Inside India Taliban will be slaughtered.Taliban will not turn in the direction of India. They will prefer to fight the Americans. This time they will own the Pakistani military and its nukes. So they will face the US and its allies.

 

Keith writes: “The US under Obama also looks set to take a much tougher stance on Pakistan, and in particular the Pakistani military. There will be tighter conditions on military aid (no more fighters and surface to air missiles) and a renewed focus on the development of civil society.”Punishing Pakistan with economic sanctions at this time will prove counter productive. It will only help the Taliban strengthen its position. They love economic backwardness. I think they badly want to take over Pakistan in order to get enough “strategic depth” against the US in Pakistan. And the US should never make the mistake of making a peace deal with the Taliban. There is no such thing as a moderate Taliban. The only thing that comes close to that definition is the ISI. The ISI is well experienced in duplicity and double dealing. They will take everything from the US and enhance the base for their masters, the radical Islamists. Look at what happened to the peace deal in Swat. Now they want to abrogate the law of the country completely. The US should warn the Taliban that if it tries to block its efforts, it will attack its territory, whether it is inside Pakistan or not. Otherwise, the US will face a much larger entity of a fully converted Pakistan.

 

GW writes: “I think Indian army could flatten Pak army in two weeks and U.S. Military could flatten Pak Army in one and a half weeks. Never mind the nxkes, they are “MADE IN CHINA” and will likely not work.”I’d like India to stay out of the whole thing. We should just be prepared to fend off any stray attacks coming from the Western side of the border. Let the Americans and their allies do their work and finish it. They got into this mess in 1978. Let them clean it up. India should try not to get into any conflicts for a long time in order to continue its progress. It should become a dependable economic ally and power, while enhancing its defense strength. I liked the way India let Sri lanka clean up the LTTE. We should let the Americans clean up the Taliban and the nukes.

 
 

This article is a bit too much. Pakistan is not Iran.

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Pakistan is not Iran, but have a read about the Iranian revolution and you will see there are some strong parallels between what happened in Iran and what’s happening now in Pakistan. Have a look at the map in the link below. The Taliban are well on their way to taking all of the NWFP, in addition to already owning the FATA. Punjab won’t be that far behind at this rate.http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi ves/2009/04/taliban_moving_on_ma.php

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@This article is a bit too much. Pakistan is not Iran.- Posted by pk–Pk: What in your view is the status of pakistan, the response so far and the likely response of Pakistan establishment any chance of complete Talibanization. Is delay, a tactical benifit (for whom) or this delay in reaction suicidal. This has overshadowed LongMarch.Although I have heard many times over these blogs that no religious fundamentalist party has won the election in Pakistan but this wave defies all that. This was bound to happen–Lal Masjid-2yrs ago was in the same direction but the basic network of automatic weapon-carrying militant was not this extensive. Taliban catalyzed all this and very quickly.

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Rajeev and Keith,Well I think you guys would love to see Pakistan coming under Taliban rule. The consequences of the Talibanization of Pakistan will lead to a nuclear war between India and Pakistan and we certainly don’t want to see millions of our people die.Not all Pakistanis are religious fanatics. You should read an article from pervez Hoodbhoy where he says that there is almost no difference between the Indians and the Pakistanis. http://www.chowk.com/articles/8748 The current Pakistani mindset is like the Indian’s. When I say Pakistan is like India,I mean what happened when BJP came to power? Everyone were crying foul and saying pessimistic things that India was drowning towards Hindutva..Did BJP wage a war with Pakistan deliberately? Did they tamper with the Indian constitution? The first thing they did was to send Advani to Lahore to make a peace deal. The same way no one in mainland Punjab,Baloch or Sindh want to go back to the stone age for the sake of Islam. Taliban will rise only if there is popular support among the people which they clearly lack. You may ask why Pakistanis don’t protest against terrorism. I don’t know but that may lead to another question-How many Indian civilians have protested against Maoism?

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PK,I concede that the Iranian revolution example is a bit dire. But let’s look at the lesser consequences. When the BJP rose to power in India, they didn’t ban the sales of CDs or close down barber shops. They didn’t start blowing up girls schools and they didn’t start bulldozing the houses of landlords. These are all things that TNSM has done in Swat. What makes you think that if the Taliban come to power nationally that they would not do the same thing at the national level?Comparison between the BJP and Pakistani Taliban is not an apt comparison. The BJP is more like the Islamist parties in Pakistan. The Taliban are far worse than any Islamist party. For one they don’t believe in the very democratic principles that justify the very existence of Islamic political parties to begin with!

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PK,Also…let’s you think that I am in favour of a Taliban takeover, let me assure you that is the last thing I want. I have friends who are dodging bullets in Afghanistan as we speak. I would rather not have Pakistan add to their burden by creating an even more permissive environment than already exists in Pakistan for jihadists and Taliban insurgents.But things are getting testy. That’s why I am worried. Have a look at the map:http://www.longwarjournal.org/maps/P akistan/NWFP_redmap_04142008.phpAren't you worried at all?

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Pakistan is a failed state, as well as a state sponsor of terror. Elements in the Pakistan gov’t nurtured Taliban in Afghanistan, and now are reaping the rotten fruits of their own policies. Pakistan’s obsession with countering India has left them nearly bankrupt, only multi-billion dollar loans, and handouts keep the Pakistani economy above water. Jinnah must be turning in his grave.

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@Rajeev and Keith,Well I think you guys would love to see Pakistan coming under Taliban rule. The consequences of the Talibanization of Pakistan will lead to a nuclear war between India and Pakistan and we certainly don’t want to see millions of our people die.–by pk-pk: Rather, Indians have been crying at the top of their voice asking Pakistan to do something about Taliban. To me, Taliban Al-Qaida, extreme fundamentalist are different shades of grey. Talibanization of Pakistan means Pakistan will become like pre-9/11 Afghanistan where Taliban ruled (was created with the help of pakistan). I do not think Pakistanis want that for themselves. From Indian POV, a sane person knows that Talibinized Pakistan is bad-bad-bad for India, also because all terrorists outfits will merge and create more trouble for India.Good that you appreciate the consequences of Talibinization.@Not all Pakistanis are religious fanatics.—-True.@ The current Pakistani mindset is like the Indian’s. When I say Pakistan is like India,I mean what happened when BJP came to power? Everyone were crying foul and saying pessimistic things that India was drowning towards Hindutva..Did BJP wage a war with Pakistan deliberately? Did they tamper with the Indian constitution?–There is such a a strong misperception about BJP. BJP is a political party and its goal is not guided by religious ideology. Also, it is not so easy to move things around in India using guns bec. there is a working system in place. A party needs an absolute majority to change anything and there is a system of checks and balances. Tampering with constitution is not childs play. Your serious politicians also know the political system in India, if you visit youtube.@You may ask why Pakistanis don’t protest against terrorism. I don’t know but that may lead to another question-How many Indian civilians have protested against Maoism?–I know that Maoism and Talibans are compared by Pakistanis. Maos in India are not spreading like jungle fire like Talibans. Indian security is dealing with it.

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Rajeev and Keith,I think there is some misunderstanding here . I didn’t compare BJP and Taliban. I mean just as BJP wanted peace after they came to power,we Muslims are also like you-we want peace and not Taliban. Just as BJP is misunderstood here as supporters of extremism,we are also misunderstood in India as religious fanatics who support Taliban. That is complete rubbish. We will not allow Taliban to flourish in the mainland.

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pk,Nobody suggesting that Pakistani Punjabi are inviting the Taliban in for tea. However, it’s for the rest of the world to feel confident when the Taliban take a district every month. At this rate, in six months all of FATA and NWFP will be no go zones.As a westerner, I don’t see how the comparison with India is apt. I am more concerned that your government has just caved and handed over one eighth of Pakistan to the extremists. Sure you won’t hand over Punjab but it doesn’t raise anybody’s confidence and faith in you when you have virtually handed over the NWFP without much of a fight.You may not be worried about it since it’s not the heartland. But the rest of the world sure is. We are the one who have to worry about new training camps that’ll be popping in NWFP that’ll churn out more suicide bombers targeting troops in Afghanistan, commuters on the subway, etc.

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pk,The rest of the world is rightfully concerned. Sure, you say you won’t hand over the heartland, but what about the one eighth of Pakistan you have already handed over. We are worried about Al Qaeda setting up shop in Swat or the Taiban doubling the number of recruits they get to use against NATO in Afghanistan. Just because the Taliban aren’t in Punjab that does not mean it’s not a problem. Just remember, before they come for us, they are going to be coming for you. There will many more bombings in Punjab as the Talibs grow stronger, before they start exporting more of their mayhem elsewhere.

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@KeithThe “Rest of the World” still can’t wipeout terrorists from Afghanistan after 8 years of trying, and the same situation in Iraq. So mind your own business please.

 

Aamir the asinine Ali writes: “The “Rest of the World” still can’t wipeout terrorists from Afghanistan after 8 years of trying, and the same situation in Iraq. So mind your own business please.”The rest of the world did not work on Afghanistan. Only the US and its allies did. Interestingly your country is the first ally in this effort and it betrayed the Americans by accommodating all criminals who destroyed Afghanistan and protected them. America respected your sovereignty and did not go after them. And they were ruled by an idiot for 8 years who suddenly went after Iraq instead of focusing on Afghanistan. You know all this. Yet you talk like an idiot. Had the Americans wanted, they could have finished off the whole Islamic insurgency in one swoop before 2004. They have learned now that Pakistanis are not to be trusted anymore. So be patient. They will come in and work you guys out as well. They will have to rebuild two nations after that – Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the case of the latter, India’s help will be needed. So we will be there to take care of you guys. We prefer small nations rather than one radicalized Islamic nation next to us. Bangladesh was a good start. So wait patiently. We will do good for you.

 

this is not pakistans war. it is a danger to India also. The control by Taliban will ensure lawlessness & the principle of might is right. Not only will it endanger the region, but the world. It is high time that the leaders of both countries fight a joint effort. The US is also not blameless. Taaliban has been supported by them during their infancy and today it has become a monster threatening the entire developing world.It is against progress & all that we believe in. India is not a threat to Pakistan. Pakistan is a buffer & the target is India.

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Dear all,The letter by the Colonel has to be taken in the right spirit. It talks a lot of hidden agendas/surmises/plots that needs to be understood analysed and probed. Only an intelligent man/woman can decipher whats written in the letter. In a common mans terminology it simply says to pak army, whats going on in ur backyard, either ur aware of it and deliberaltely see the other way or u force must be the dumbest in the world. Also its also riducles that when u cant take charge of the taliban how can u expect to win a war with India????? Any answers???

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@MauryanDrop the Indian habit of including insults in everything and try to make a point without them.It is not Pakistan’s fault that America elected an idiot twice, and that US/NATO have achieved very little in Afghanistan in 8 years. If you look at Iraq/Palestine the situation is equally abysmal. Hence the “World” should mind its own business with regards to Pakistan.The letter by the Indian colonel was trash and treated as trash by Pakistani readers. The newspaper later apologized for publishing it.

 

Aamir,The only reason that the NATO and US forces are struggling in Afghanistan is because the sanctuaries of the insurgents we face are in Pakistan. No insurgency has ever been won without taking out the sanctuaries of the insurgents. Sooner or later the world will have to find a way to deal with this conundrum. That’s why we now talk about an AfPak problem. Go to any diplomatic or intelligence agency in the west. You will find that the Afghanistan and Pakistan files are now always grouped together.As for us minding our own business…we would if you would stop harbouring insurgent who are fighting our troops in our country we are trying to stabilize. We would also not be overly concerned if you had a better grasp of the security situation in your country. When insurgents start getting with a 100 miles of nuclear weapons and your army appears not to be too interested in engaging them it becomes a global concern, especially since they could end up in New York or Paris or Toronto or London or Mumbai. When your problems give us sleepless nights that’s when it becomes our business. Fix your problems and we’ll butt out.After all, what would Pakistanis be saying if Hindu extremists look set to overrun Indian military establishments with nuclear weapons? Would you be worried then if the world was showing concern? Or what about some Christian fundamentalists who looked they were going to get a hold of nuclear weapons to use on Islamic countries? Wouldn’t you be worried about it? That’s the image the world has of Pakistan today. It’s up to you to convince us that you can control the insurgents and that the nukes are safe. Otherwise, it’s our problem.

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The letter was cheeky. But the gist of it was not off a base. I am fairly sure that Kayani has heard like minded sentiments from diplomats and generals from around the world.It’s unfortunate though that Pakistani’s responded with such bluster instead of taking the issues to heart and addressing them.

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Aamir the asinine Ali writes: “Drop the Indian habit of including insults in everything and try to make a point without them.”Ok. Please do the same for us. Stop comparing your country with ours. We consider it an insult. You do that and we will stop insulting you.”It is not Pakistan’s fault that America elected an idiot twice, and that US/NATO have achieved very little in Afghanistan in 8 years. If you look at Iraq/Palestine the situation is equally abysmal.”It is not the drunken driver’s fault if he ran his car over others and killed them. He was in his own world. America elected an idiot twice. But Pakistan exploited it thinking it was going to pay them huge dividends in the long run against you know who. When Bush was president, Musharraf quietly allowed Al Qaeda and Taliban to slip into Pakistan so that they could wait out for the departure of the Americans. Also Musharraf helped the elements regroup and stage attacks on the flimsy infrastructure in Afghanistan so that a nation cannot be built. Unfortunately, the idiot’s term ended and we now have a bright man as President. And he can zero in on who the culprit is. So as soon as he took over, he decided not to look at Afghanistan separately. He combined Pakistan with it. And your sour faces did not mind that so long as India was included in the insult club as well. But that did not work. The Taliban waited and nothing happened. The Americans are killing them with drones and the Paki army is unable to help. So it has begun to turn on the Paki army and the rest is in the newspapers. So do not play innocent victims. You guys were up to your neck in the whole thing. Without your involvement, Afghanistan would be on its way to progress.”Hence the “World” should mind its own business with regards to Pakistan.The “world” generally does not care much about South Asia. But unfortunately criminals attacked their cities from 2001 onwards. The “world” realized that all these troubles are emanating from a nuclear armed, radicalized Islamic nation, with its government, intelligence and military providing the logistics.”The letter by the Indian colonel was trash and treated as trash by Pakistani readers. The newspaper later apologized for publishing it.”You guys stop hating India first. We will reciprocate our friendliness. We have said repeatedly that we’d like to be left alone. So tell your establishment to stop organizing Mumbai style attacks, and stop wasting your money and emotions on Kashmir.

 

@@KeithThe “Rest of the World” still can’t wipeout terrorists from Afghanistan after 8 years of trying, and the same situation in Iraq. So mind your own business please.- Posted by Aamir AliAamir Ali: If the rest of world start minding their business, you will go hungry for the obvious reasons.

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Why we divide people in Muslim and rest of the world. And why Muslims are in state of denial for everything thats going on and want others to LEAVE THEM ALONE. This is our problem ….some people bringing whole civilization at their knees just to prove they are superior. I just want to say people should not Blame US or India for the virus that is spreading. Instead of passing judgement it should be working together and find the solution. Blaming america for this thing wont solve any purpose. Its their stand to enter at places they wanted(with consent of many of the countries included AF and pak).I dont want to offend anyone but my simple view is not pertaing to one single country…its the whole world which is at stake and terrorism is just one of the problem world is facing. I believe the ideaology with which some fanatics work should not be supported by anyone, by any religion…thats just bad antimatter prevailing.Think about working together…work as BROTHERS IN ARM NOT ENEMY WITH ARMS/WEAPONS

 

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