A letter for Pakistan’s Kayani from an Indian officer

April 19, 2009

A retired Indian Army officer has written an open letter to Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani that Pakistan’s The News carried this week and which is now popping up on blogs.

Colonel Harish Puri says it is incredible that the Pakistan Army allowed something as reprehensible as the public flogging of a teenage girl in the Swat  Valley without lifting a finger, even though it coudn’t have happened very far from an army checkpoint.

For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India,  and acquitted itself well in  U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.

The Pakistan Army’s inability to jam militant radio broadcasts in the region that have helped spread their power around is equally incomprehensible, Puri, who is from the army’s Signals unit, says. (The United States has just begun a broad effort in Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from making these broadcasts, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.)

Puri urges Kayani to act, not just for the sake of Pakistan but the entire region. “It doesn’t matter if it is “my war” or “your war” – it is a war that has to be won.”

An Indian Army oficer writing to the Pakistan Army chief is rare and the fact that the letter is published in a Pakistani newspaper even more extraordinary.

Or perhaps these are unprecedented times. McClatchy newspapers ran a story this week quoting U.S. experts as saying Pakistan was a “disaster in the making on the scale of the Iranian revolution.”  Counter-insurgency expert David Kilcullen has been quoted as saying Pakistan could collapse within months.

The sense of foreboding has risen with the international cricket authorities taking away the hosting rights for the 2011 World Cup from Pakistan, citing an uncertain security situation.

The tournament is still two years away, but it didn’t stop the International Cricket Council from making an early call on the security situation in the country. The tournament will be played in co-host nations –  India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.

[Army chief Kayani with troops and supporters of a radical cleric in Islamabad]

Comments

Some American analyst recently said “Pakistan is beyond redemption now”.So the BEST and SMARTEST thing for all of us to do is prepare for near distance SUPER-NOVA, make our own survival and emergency plans and brace for impact.Any discussion or blogging to resuscitate Pakistan is futile exercise. When a plane crash-lands, the first duty of anyone is to help himself, then help others.

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I read the first reference to this article in Pak Tribune, which is made up of Umairs and other liars. This magazine is the core of Pakistan and its perspectives on the world, especially India. They have developed it as an art of twisting everything to project their anti-Indian venom. Read this and you won’t have to deal with Umair or any similar guys. They all look the same.http://www.paktribune.com/news/inde x.php?id=213722

 

I think in one of my previous comments last week I did point out to this letter, I had read it in ‘The News’ when it was published last week. No doubt the whole open letter from an Indian Army officer to the Pakistan Army chief is unprecedented.There is no denying that Pakistan is facing a millitant Taliban problem, but the problem starts when people start predicting doomsday scenarios for Pakistan. My only rant is you cannot just simply count Pakistan out, every country has its problems so do Pakistan. But we will overcome them.And for anyone arguing with me regarding the professionalism of Pakistan Army: here is what your own Army officer stated:”For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India, and acquitted itself well in U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.”

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SanjeevI would also like to highlight the sacrifices made by Pakistan Army, the Army lost its surgeon general, Lt. Gen Mushtaq Ahmed Baig (Shaheed)one of the country’s top opthalmologist on Feb 2008 in a suicide bomb in Rawalpindi. There were casulaties when choppers crashed in Waziristan claiming the lives of GOC Kohat and others, for the first time after independence the Army was sent into the tribal region, whole caves and networks were discovered and dismantled. The Army did its job with utmost sacrifice and has suffered 8000+ casualties, more than US or NATO countries, many got injured also. Pakistan has paid the most price and its soldiers suffered highest casualties. We do not want to loose like the Soviet Army did in Afghanistan and had to be humiliated and defeated in 1989 and withdraw. As the situation is complex it requires similar solutions as well.

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Umair@”We do not want to loose like the Soviet Army did in Afghanistan and had to be humiliated and defeated in 1989 and withdraw.”- You already did all that in SWAT. The worst part is that SWAT is in your own country.The greatest disrespect to your brave soldiers who died in harness is done by your own ISI which is arming those radicals to use them at a later date against India and part of your army which is unwilling to take that scum head on.

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Just wearing uniforms, marching in order, carrying guns etc do not make a professional army. It should deliver the goods when it matters. If it chooses to fight in civilian clothes most of the time and hides behind common people after attacking a proper military, it is an act of cowardice. On top of that most of your soldiers who die in such “covert” wars are disowned by your military leaders. Musharraf simply branded them as Mujahideen and Kashmiri freedom fighters in Kargil. Then books by respected Pakistanis like Ahmed Rashid, Zahid Hussein etc state openly that Pakistan’s military launched the offensive inside Indian held territory.Brave soldiers fight soldiers of the enemy. They do not engage in cowardly covert wars that are called acts of terrorism elsewhere. And records show that whenever your military fought in uniform, it lost. It surrendered to its own countrymen in Swat. This is a complete shame.So Umair, no matter how much you window wash your military with honors, it has none. The Indian officer wrote what he wrote because that will get attention. I don’t think he really means it. I am sure he laughed when he wrote it.No one has to make doomsday prediction about Pakistan. Doomsday has already arrived. And with blind people like you around, the end won’t even be noticed.

 

Hum Pakistan Ki Berri Fauj Kay Sher Dleer Sipahihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt_ 2RvOM1MM&feature=related

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Liar writes: “The Army did its job with utmost sacrifice and has suffered 8000+ casualties, more than US or NATO countries, many got injured also.”Your brave soldiers died in your own country right? Why do you expect the Americans and NATO to lose more of their soldiers? They are here to make you do your job right. Are you aware that soldiers get injured in wars. Or do they get massage? Aren’t your military soldiers required to protect your country whether the conflict is coming from outside or from within? Why is “brother” fighting the “brother”? I thought in your Islamic paradise called Pakistan, all brothers lived in peace, forgetting their differences, languages, ethnicity, growing beard and lived only for God. So why are they fighting each other now?

 

Liar writes: “We do not want to loose like the Soviet Army did in Afghanistan and had to be humiliated and defeated in 1989 and withdraw. “Remember Bangladesh? General Niazi with egg on his face? Rings a bell? Or has it been covered with another lie in your history book?

 

MAuryanThe Indian Army officer is much more credible than you, he knows the history of wars between Pakistan and India and I dont need to state anything further. Though it has been some time since I had been highlighting Pakistan Army’s professionalism and its role recognized in the world in UN peacekeeping missions, your own Indian Army officer has stated the same. You got your answer now, next time when you want to know Pakistan Army victories just write to your own Army officers, they will help you.Doomsday scenario? not unless every single Pakistani is united, the Armed forces united. Wars are fought and won bt nations in unity. We have gone through crisis before, we have fought wars before there is nothing new. We will face it and eliminate the threats; both internal and external. six months back, on this same blog i heard people stating Pakistan will be finished soon, still today people state Pakistan is only a matter of few months. Let me see who has the balls to mess with 173 million strong nation?

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Liar writes: “Hum Pakistan Ki Berri Fauj Kay Sher Dleer Sipahi”No body cares!

 

Mauryan writes: “I read the first reference to this article in Pak Tribune, which is made up of Umairs and other liars. This magazine is the core of Pakistan and its perspectives on the world, especially India. They have developed it as an art of twisting everything to project their anti-Indian venom. Read this and you won’t have to deal with Umair or any similar guys. They all look the same.”For vindictive & hateful Pakistanis like the writer of that article & the likes of him, the the best lesson and retribution for their ills, is to witness & live through the rise of India to the status of a Global power, while at the same time, witness & live through the failure of their own nation. The mental torture, they feel, when they read or see any article or news about India’s rise (and there are abundant) & also about the disgraceful fall of their nation, is far greater than any physical pain that can be inflicted on anyone. Hopefully it will be a lesson for all countries that a nation built of the ideology of detestation & vengeance, is destined to self-destruct & fail.

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Liar writes: “The Indian Army officer is much more credible than you, he knows the history of wars between Pakistan and India and I dont need to state anything further. Though it has been some time since I had been highlighting Pakistan Army’s professionalism and its role recognized in the world in UN peacekeeping missions, your own Indian Army officer has stated the same. You got your answer now, next time when you want to know Pakistan Army victories just write to your own Army officers, they will help you.”Indian army officer never mentioned about Pakistan winning any wars. So stop stretching your dreams. UN peace keeping missions are a joke worldwide. They become spectators in every crisis. Look at what they did in Rwanda when millions were slaughtered. They carry water pistols. Your army never won any war. Like it or not. That is the truth. Go find references to counter this.

 

hypocrite writes:”Remember Bangladesh? General Niazi with egg on his face? Rings a bell? Or has it been covered with another lie in your history book?”remeber 3:00 PM, Thursday 28 May 1998, history books tell Pakistan detonated 6 massive atomic bombs in tunnels beneath Baluchistan semi-desert mountain ranges piercing them apart and becoming the first ever muslim nuclear power.The sun of 1971 has disappeared below the horizon, we have moved on. This is a new Pakistan capable of unleashing catastrophic forces of destrution on its enemies.I wasnt born in 1971, I dont knwo General Niazi. I only know Lt. Gen Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, Director General Strategic Plans divisions with authority to take care of command and control of nuclear bombs.

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Liar writes: “Doomsday scenario? not unless every single Pakistani is united, the Armed forces united. Wars are fought and won bt nations in unity. We have gone through crisis before, we have fought wars before there is nothing new. We will face it and eliminate the threats; both internal and external. six months back, on this same blog i heard people stating Pakistan will be finished soon, still today people state Pakistan is only a matter of few months. Let me see who has the balls to mess with 173 million strong nation?”I will add this to my collection of Mullah Nasruddin jokes. There is only one thing that unites the 173 million testes – India. Other than that your brotherly love is all bogus. No wonder Balochis want their self determination. Pashtuns want nothing from your country either. Keep ranting. At least I get to laugh reading the cut-bullah rants.

 

Liar writes: “This is a new Pakistan capable of unleashing catastrophic forces of destrution on its enemies.”Sure, Mullahstan it has many enemies now – FATA, Sindh, Balochistan, Afghanistan and of course India. And soon the US and NATO will also join the list of enemies. So pack up nukes for all of them. And then drop one on your own head.

 

MauryanI challenge you on this one. when India conducted its nuclear tests in 11 May 1998, Pakistani Prime minister summoned Dr. A Q Khan and asked him if Pakistan had the capability to reply to Indian nuclear tests. He replied that our tunnels were dug in late 1980s and we will be ready within 72 hours to detonate nuclear bombs as soon as the orders are given. The 17 days till 28 May, every single delegate, foreign envoy and foreign ministers visited Pakistan to compell the government not to respond to Indian tests. In response money was offered, debt write-offs and economic aid was offered and in case Pakistan did not comply sanctions were threatened. But Pakistan did what was necessary to do.What is your take? After Pakistan becoming a nuclear power is India in a position to secure any kind of military over Pakistan any more? Knowing Pakistan has nuclear weapons and is capable of taking on much bigger enemies without any kind of hesitation.Whether Pakistan secured any military in the past or not, in future India will NEVER be able to secure any military victory over Pakistan due to the changed geo-political situation.

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“For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India, and acquitted itself well in U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.”- Posted by Umair—Col Puri is graceful enough, as he should be, not only in pointing out the weaknesses of Pakistani Army, but also its strengh.Col Puri also said this:@old army quip that did the rounds in the immediate aftermath of World war II: To guarantee victory, an army should ideally have German generals, British officers, Indian soldiers, American equipment and Italian enemies.”"Pakistani Army officers, as mentioned in the article and is known generally, are into “real estate, defence housing colonies and the like.” The planning at higher level is what affects the Army.”The problem is not at soldier level, but at the policy level and in executing the policies. If you respect a soldier, you will not let 8000+ lives of soldiers sacrificed in WOT become a cover to mask the continuing poor strategies of the Pakistani establishment at highest level. As I posted earlier, this is much like US solidiers sacrificing their lives for their country in a poorly planned war by US generals.

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Sanjeev/UmairCol Puri says:”I am told that it is difficult for your troops to “fight their own people.” But you never had that problem in East Pakistan in 1971, where the atrocities committed by your own troops are well documented in the Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report. Or is it that the Bengalis were never considered “your own” people, influenced as they were by the Hindus across the border? Or is that your troops are terrified by the ruthless barbarians of the Taliban?”–Can someone explain this. I know ur complex problem-complex solution answer, but it deserves more than that.Umair and others from Pakistanis:Can you tell us for our information, what information you have been given through history of Pakistan about:1. How many people were killed by Pakistani Army–I expect Muktibahini mention, so will say in advance that what “specifically Pakistan’s” contribution in those killings.2. Who attacked in 1965-India or Pakistan, and who won?3. What about 1971—what is officially in Pakistan’ history.

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Pakistan is a state is ceasing to exist by each passing day and now its a ticking time bomb that about to explode any time. its not the time to continue traditional India, Pakistan views about each other and who did what. They both as rival states have done whatever they can to harm each other so no one is innocent. Now there is the time to talk about the consequences of failure of Pakistan or if it falls in the hands of Islamic militants? Its not the problem that will be limited to Pakistan or it people if anything happen there it will not only affect its immediate neighbors but to every single country on the mope.

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Rajeev lets not live in the past, we have a future to look forward to. It really doesnt matter what happened durign all those years, the clocks cant be turned back ,what is done is done.

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@Rajeev lets not live in the past, we have a future to look forward to. It really doesnt matter what happened durign all those years, the clocks cant be turned back ,what is done is done.- Posted by Umair-Umair: I was just concerned about 60yrs history, not 1000yrs of history like many Pakistani bloggers often get into, so I know the relevance part. The point is we Indians get information from different sources and try to be sure of the source is credible enough. But in any case, I will like an opportunity ro get some other perspective bluntly without getting into lenghty discussions. There is no one better than a Pakistani to ask what they have been taught in the history rather than assuming other sources of info that such and such history has been taught to ypu guys. Have not these differences accounted for 100s of postings from you, me and others?I will love to drop this burden of history of India-Pak wars, Kashmir issues, Balochistan, Pashtuns, Millions killed in E. Pakistan, Pak’s complaints about India in the past–Reset the clock and move forward if the historical mistakes are not being repeated.

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I believe the letter wont do any good.Kayani has literally given up and so has the Pak Army.They are a bunch of cowards.Now when the militants killed 25 Army regulars,the army attacked them! What about when the Frontier Corps was being attacked?I think not doing anything about the militant problem would make matters worse.Kayani should be deposed.We need an authoritarian Army chief who leads by example.The army should finish the frankestein they created.kayani needs 3000 soldiers to guard him when he visits Karachi.He has gone to Swat only once and so on.If he is such a coward why is he still the army chief? No points for guessing!I believe our generation will prosecute Kayani and others for the complete lack of security all around. I am sorry to say letters wont do any good.This man has a dead conscience.

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Clown writes: “lets not live in the past, we have a future to look forward to. It really doesnt matter what happened durign all those years, the clocks cant be turned back ,what is done is done.”Yes. Let us what needs to be done – By all of us writing on this blog and what we write will be executed perfectly.Here is what is going to happen (since you asked us about discussing on the future):1. Punjab will come under Taliban. No music, no DVDs, no bars, no cricket, no restaurants, no TV, no news – just mosques, beard, burqa, prayer, wow! what a bright future.2. Balochistan will come under Taliban too.3. Pakistani ISI, in a desperate attempt to breathe, will try something on Indian soil.4. India will try to retaliate, but the US and its allies will restrain it. Government will collapse and another election will happen.5. The US will decide to take matters on its own hand and will go after Al Qaeda itself. It might now include the Taliban in its attack. This means, Pakistan will be facing American missiles.6. Dog fight will start for Mullah nukes.7. The collapse will be complete in a couple of years.8. New nation building efforts will start in Sindhu Desh,Afghanistan, Balochistan and Baki stan.9. Back to ignorant Americans and action replay of everything. Now there will be four nations instead of one. It would be good to keep them busy by engaging them against each other – those with long beards versus those who don’t.The slide has started already. It will only increase with time. Those who really care about life and values, should board the plane and get the hell out of the quagmire that is currently called Pakistan. In the future, there will be many countries. Jinnah’s dreams will come true.

 

Why is it the N bomb everytime? I dont understand that,is the N bomb going to feed your children?will it make your society just and free and democratic?will it lead to you economic development?no none of that, because if that was true it would have already happened. All you can do it talk childishly about unleashing ‘destruction’ and thats all what pakistan’s society can think so this is what you are getting,destrustion unleashed on your own society!! If you and your government had thought about growth and prosperity and development then thats what you would have got. Its the ‘mindset’ you see, which needs to be addressed. I question the very basic fibre of your society, its morals and also how it thinks as a group.A nation which has its basic founding principles based on a theory of division, definitely cant stay as one itself. I beleive that the rot in your society is so deep rooted that it will take years for your society to come out of its self imposed leprosy and by that time your nation would be disfigured beyond recognisition. As a precursor a majority of strategist believe that pakistan is already on the verge of collaspe, see if you can use your nuclear weapons to tie your splitting nation together….

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I was speaking to one of my friend, who was originally from Karachi and has now shifted to India. He says that when he was there, some ten years ago, pakistan was very developed, at least karachi. Salary levels were good, jobs were plenty and Infrastructure was good. So what has happened now? How can a developed nation surrender to Taliban, ask girls not to get out of their homes, not to study? Why are the educated and intelectual in Pakistan not protesting against this?

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Suleman Maniya:Pakistani Army is not just coward , but full of immoral elements .Pakistani Army is internationally known for its atrocities committed during seventies in formerly East Pakistan ,when they massacred more 3 million innocent people and raped millions of women .Pakistan is in utmost chaos, the presence of nuclear arsenals makes it more dangerous place on earth, fortunately so far these nuclear weapons have not fallen in the the hands of jehadi elements , international community is duty bound to take control of these nuclear weapons to prevent any catastrophe.

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If we in Pakistan want religious clerics to run the country, what is it to you Indians? Why cant you Indians ever mind your own damn business? We want Shariah Law in every part of Pakistan and we will keep long beards, why does it matter to you Indians. Theres going to be a similar revolution like the Iranian revolution and I am glad. We need Shariah Law in Pakistan and in every area in Pakistan, not only in Swat.

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Dear All,Nice Blog subject and more than blog the interesting debate b/w arch rivals of history INDIA/PAKISTAN.But every one has to understand one thing that Pakistan is in real danger, more complex than Afghanistan. And US is at vulnerable risk more than RUSSIA. Its very unfortunate to write or predict this but i remember days of 1989 onwards Afghanistan become the graveyard for USSR and the biggest mistake done by USSR cost them as Russia,Any ways come to the point US is playing double standard with Pakistan situation (providing funding and putting bullets to their own people) Pakistan is totally inflated with gorilla war tactics unsatisfying tribal support to Taliban religious fundamentalist (Saudi some how still play a vital economic role to implement so called ISLAMIC rule, due to their hardliner leaders)with such a tactic development going on in Pakistan how they can still justify their army who some how plays a instrumental role to pitch down the influence of democracy and western army.The point raised by many blogger and letter written is very sadistic, i really not believe in Pakistan Army and its entire defense system. How could we forget one thing that despite its economy 70% driven direct or indirectly by army personal there is no one to take the point of growth development or any democratic country president and PM are fighting for themselves. The Hope of Punjab Sharif is struggling a lot and finally not likely to capable of fighting with the system.Don’t think this of past and forget about future if the current situation not get better. A Dark Past with silent future will rule Pakistan in black hole with ruler will be Taliban (soft rule country hard rule the army). Very very sad to write but In next 6 months if believe by analyst Pakistan will be destroyed for its own people and become a country where only fundamentalist will rule.Let see what happen in future with holding its so called glorious past will Pakistan able to create a new rise for its people or will be set by its redness of extremism.

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I think Zardari is taking the whole world for a ride. On one side he rattles that he is continuing his military offensive against the talibans and on the other side he signs a law permitting taliban to take over a part of pakistan. What the hell is happening, whatz he doing with all the money. If already billions of dollars have been spent what are the tangible results, and what guarantees does he give to ensure that he’ll or govt will control the areas after getting the aid? Amidst all of these how come pakistani’s don’t even recognise that the taliban’s will take them back to stone ages…

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Junaid writes: “If we in Pakistan want religious clerics to run the country, what is it to you Indians? Why cant you Indians ever mind your own damn business? We want Shariah Law in every part of Pakistan and we will keep long beards, why does it matter to you Indians. Theres going to be a similar revolution like the Iranian revolution and I am glad. WE NEED SHARIAH LAW IN PAKISTAN AND IN EVERY AREA IN PAKISTAN, NOT ONLY IN SWAT”Surrender to the Taliban has already begun, based on what this poster has written. This region has been on the path of many warring tribes from Central Asia and the Middle East for eons. And the denizens have survived the onslaught by surrendering and switching sides quickly. “If you can’t beat them, join them” mindset runs in their blood. If you read Pakistan’s history books, it starts with the invasion by Muhammad Bin Qasim. Qasim is portrayed as a benevolent leader who brought the message of Islam. The local Buddhist king Dahir is portrayed as a corrupt war lord and the people are depicted as struggling under his rule, waiting for a relief to come. So it is shown as though the great Qasim came in and gave the much desired relief and a great religion was welcomed. There is a lot more garbage and I wouldn’t go into that now. This is how their “valiant” military also has survived. Submit to the world super powers, align with them and pretend to be doing what they want and bilk them out of billions. Look at the way Musharraf switched sides when Colin Powell faced him in 2001.Considering what Junaid has written. If Taliban takes over Pakistan and Shariah law becomes effective (a la Iranian revolution), this is how they will submit to it – “We were ruled by corrupt leaders and people were engaged in immoral orgy. So God sent the Taliban from the mountains and restored His law and people who were choking due to the moral corruption, welcomed it with open hearts. God gave them power over all infidels and nuclear power”On the question on why Indians are talking about Pakistan – We don’t want to. But your leaders are taking you all for a ride by making a monster out of India. There are thousands of Ajmal Kasabs in your country as a result, who are a threat to our innocent people. If you can keep the fire confined to your country, we will not even venture into sites of this kind.

 

Amit Daga writes: “Nice Blog subject and more than blog the interesting debate b/w arch rivals of history INDIA/PAKISTAN.”It is such a shame to be considered an arch rival of a banana republic like Pakistan. Where is the comparison? Why this mindset? Do we compare with Somalia? How do they become an arch rival? In what sense other than hatred and distrust? If we use this logic, does the US compare with North Korea? Do we call them an arch rival of a rogue nation?We Indians have to change this mindset first. Only then others will start doing the same.

 

“If we in Pakistan want religious clerics to run the country, what is it to you Indians? Why cant you Indians ever mind your own damn business?”-Junaid says-Dear Junaid, what happened in Afghanistan during cold war affected India. Clearly what is happening NOW next door in Pakistan will also affect India once you become a citizen of Talibinistan. Hence the reason for Indians trying to move your lazy a$$.–”We want Shariah Law in every part of Pakistan and we will keep long beards, why does it matter to you Indians. Theres going to be a similar revolution like the Iranian revolution and I am glad. We need Shariah Law in Pakistan and in every area in Pakistan, not only in Swat.”–Junaid: You do not want Sharia but Sharia law superceding everyhting/long beards are imposed on you–not your choice.where do you live? Clearly not in SWAT and would you like your family to move to this great land where this new Sharia law is the final word?–I doubt you will or many will like to. You guys are confused about the kind of political sytem you want and Taliban is chosing is for you. So have it and give a pretend smile–say Cheeze.The only movement before, during and after LongMarch isthe wave of Fundamentalism sweeping Pakistan which is blowing Junaids.Click below to see people’s movement:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/con nect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/paki stan/nwfp/sharia-regulation-in-swat+-hs“ MINGORA: Tehrik Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad has warned the government to wind up its judicial system within four days and establish the appellate court of Darul Qaza for the Malakand division, or he will re-launch his protest campaign.”“I consider Western democracy as a system imposed on us by the infidels. Islam does not allow democracy or elections,” he opined, adding that he would never accept the system of justice of the non-Muslims.”"Sufi Mohammad said the implementation of the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation would restore peace in the Malakand division, particularly Swat. He said the Taliban militants had promised to lay down arms after the enforcement of the Nizam-e-Adl.”

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it’s sad to sit here and read some of the ignorant comments that posted. suddenly everyone in here is some sort of war expert, religous expert, policy expert, etc. this is the same nonsense that has led to the demise of pakistan and soon india. they can’t seem to get off each other about their problems. india can’t seem top stop blaming pakistan for everything while it continues its illegal occupation of kashmir. why do they try to claim a land where the majority is muslim, yet they can’t even stand the muslims who live in india?? and why can’t pakitan seem to stop obesessing over india and address its economic and extremist problems?? the irrationality and ignorance of both of these countries is going to one of them launching a nuke and other will respond, leading to the deaths of millions and starting a possible WW3. it would be an outrage if a world war 3 is started due to both of these miserable countries.

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The News has apologized for printing this letter, which they say did not go through the normal channels, and whose intention was to malign Pakistan Army while pretending to respect it.

 

Aamir Ali wrote:”while it continues its illegal occupation of kashmir. why do they try to claim a land where the majority is muslim, yet they can’t even stand the muslims who live in india??”Aamir, Paksitan exists on ancestral Indian land. Please stop the propagation of Islamic entitlement to Indian land, as this is a falsly misplaced notion of ownership. With that regards, thank you for failing to point out that hundreds of thousands of Hindus were killed in Kashmir. Hindus lives don’t seem to mean much to Pakistani’s, which should your lives mean any thing to us?Indians were forced to pay Jizia on their own land, should India not force Pakistani’s to pay Jizia for living on Indian land? Please stop the double standards, as they are all too apparent and weaken your position considerably.

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JunaidYou were drawing parallels to Iran and along the way you dream of a revolution. Firstly, Irans Ayatollah Khominei murdered millions of Iranians during one of the bloodiest phases of Iran, which only was comparable in the scale of murder to Greek invasion and later to Arab invasion. whereas Irans oil wells keep them floating, perennial debt situation with negligible surplus converts Pak into another Afghan and not an Iran with an Islamic revolution. Get real.Whatever the prevailing law there in Iran, now, women do go to college, do jobs, drive car and finally walk to grocery store without an accompanying male. If you are looking for that then settle the issue with swat Sharia mullahs first and then hope and pray for that revolution. Anyway, Iran does not have the democracy as is present in England, India, Turkey or Malaysia.

 

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/print1.asp?id =172498Reactions in Pakistan on publication of the useless letter.

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In his article ‘An open letter to Gen Kayani’, while highlighting the Taliban threat, Col (retd) Harish Puri has actually tried to malign the Pakistan Army by distorting the facts. He has probably forgotten the bashing that the Indian Army took from a handful of Kashmiri Muhahideen and later by the brave Pakistani soldiers led by dynamic young officers in tactical encounters. He should have better consulted his colleagues who took part in the Kargil operations to find out that a Pakistani post of about 10-15 persons equipped with small arms was able to withstand several assaults by a battalion of about 800 soldiers of the ‘valiant’ Indian army.Before stories about the Pakistan army, the Indian colonel should first look around in the rank and file of his own army to see its moral bankruptcy, professional incompetence and low morale.Brigadier (retd) Shahid MasudRawalpinditaken from ‘The News”

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Hassan writes: “it’s sad to sit here and read some of the ignorant comments that posted. suddenly everyone in here is some sort of war expert, religous expert, policy expert, etc. this is the same nonsense that has led to the demise of pakistan and soon india. they can’t seem to get off each other about their problems.”Kindly do not make sweeping statements. In India there is a lot of difference of opinion between various people and we spend a lot of time arguing with each other on what should have been done and what could have been done. One does not have to be an expert to engage in discussions. This is like saying only those who make movies should watch them or only those who know about cars in and out should drive them. Not necessary. Ignorance? We are all ignorant know matter how much we know.”india can’t seem top stop blaming pakistan for everything while it continues its illegal occupation of kashmir. why do they try to claim a land where the majority is muslim, yet they can’t even stand the muslims who live in india??”India generally does not blame Pakistan for its ills. There are lot of issues inside India that are internal and there are arguments about them too. But whatever happens, happens. But it is a well proven fact that Pakistan has spent a great deal of its budget on arming itself so that it can continue a proxy war inside India and its institutions are involved in training and sending terrorists to cause collateral damage and mass killing of people. And we have every right to be concerned about it. Other than that, we have enough things to keep us pre-occupied. So if your establishment can come down to earth and do what it is supposed to do normally, then you will not find Indians coming at Pakistan that much. We do not talk about Bangladesh, Nepal or Sri Lanka that much because we do not see much problems from them.Talking about Kashmir – Kindly do not make this into a Muslim issue. That is the core of the problem. A lot of right things could have been done in 1947-48. All parties involved – Pakistan, India and the British, screwed everything up. Now, this is not the right time to talk about Kashmir. First go back and set your house in order. Looks like Pakistan itself may not exist in the near future. When that is the case, it makes no sense to add Kashmir to the weight. After seeing what is going on in Swat, I don’t think any sensible Kashmiri would want to be a part of Pakistan. Therefore, kindly do not shed crocodile tears like your fellow citizens. If your jihadist elements do not come in and kill people and threaten them to fall in line, you will not see our military there patrolling the streets.”and why can’t pakitan seem to stop obesessing over india and address its economic and extremist problems??”Good point. Your ship is sinking and you all need to work to make it stay afloat. And then repair the whole thing inside out. The principle is simple. Leave us alone and we will do the same.”the irrationality and ignorance of both of these countries is going to one of them launching a nuke and other will respond, leading to the deaths of millions and starting a possible WW3.”Looking at the probability, most probably the trigger will be pulled by a lunatic in power in your country. We are not that much of a militant state. We have systems in place that will prevent us from going nuts. But your country has a lot of them, that too in power. So that makes it a dangerous situation. To possess power one needs tremendous self restraint and responsibility. That is why only countries that have these aspects have nuclear bombs for their protection. Others have to show that sense of responsibility. Pakistan does not have it. Its secret trade of nuclear secrets to rogue nations and its religious fundamentalism makes it an irresponsible state. The world will breathe a lot easy if Pakistan’s nuclear infrastructure is dismantled. This is not an irrational statement. See the records for yourself and see what your power centers have been doing. If Pakistan threw its nukes at any nuclear capable country, it will get the courtesy returned. So do not single India out. We want to progress and move on. Getting upset about Mumbai attacks is not irrational. It came from your country and your establishment did everything to hide it and window wash it. This has wiped out any iota of trust we can have on Pakistanis. Time and again, Pakistan has been back stabbing India. So the burden is on Pakistan to prove its trustworthiness.”it would be an outrage if a world war 3 is started due to both of these miserable countries.”May be you should try your nukes on the Americans camped out in Afghanistan and see what they do. Leave India alone please. We are here because, your people are trying to drag our country down. And we have every right to defend ourselves in every which way possible. And watching what is going on inside Pakistan and discussing the eventual possibilities are important for us. Because we are sitting next to your country and we have to be prepared to meet any challenges.Both India and Pakistan have become famous for IT. Information Technology for Indians and Islamic Terrorism for Pakistanis. Which one is better decided how the world is looking at either country. So please do what you can to prevent your IT from spreading. Thank you much….

 

Mullah major writes as quoted by Umair the liar: “He has probably forgotten the bashing that the Indian Army took from a handful of Kashmiri Muhahideen and later by the brave Pakistani soldiers led by dynamic young officers in tactical encounters.”So they call terrorist attacks tactical. It has come to that. Ask the major to send his men in proper uniform and fight like real soldiers. Wearing civilian clothes, hiding behind women and shooting indiscriminately does not make a good soldier. Would he like to recommend a real war with real soldiers? After 1971, Pakistan lost all its nerves and would never send its uniformed soldiers anywhere other than Pakistan day parades.”He should have better consulted his colleagues who took part in the Kargil operations to find out that a Pakistani post of about 10-15 persons equipped with small arms was able to withstand several assaults by a battalion of about 800 soldiers of the ‘valiant’ Indian army.”Again the major proves and idiot. If you sneak in and set up logistics on vantage points, it will take a lot of efforts to clear those sites. And where did he come up with 10-15 persons equipped with small arms? Those are the people who managed to escape back to Pakistan. The other thousands got slaughtered by the Indian military and unlike his professional military, buried the dead with respect. Our fighter pilot’s body was returned with eyes gouged out and tongue cut. So much for valiance!Your whole country seems to be full of liars. Does the major know who won the Kargil conflict? It was staged by a military general in Pakistan without the permission or knowledge of an elected Prime Minister. This means it was an illegal operation to begin with. And the major is taking pride in an illegal operation! I get it. Your military engages only in illegal activity. It has no culture and has turned entirely into a terrorist machinery. It is no longer a military. It is Mujahideen. In our country we call them terrorists.

 

Liar writes: “http://thenews.jang.com.pk/print1.asp?i d =172498Reactions in Pakistan on publication of the useless letter.”Interesting to see so many responses to a “useless” letter. Wouldn’t one expect no responses to such letters?One fellow idiot writes in his response that caught my eye: “How the DG ISPR will respond to the Indian colonel, I don’t know. However, being a true nationalist, I am going to give my own befitting reply to him. Let it suffice if I tell him (and our enemies) to stop hatching conspiracies against our nationhood (and our strategic weapons), as this time we have the Taliban on our side, against whom no known antidote exists. A country governed by the Taliban and armed with nuclear weapons has the potential of becoming the next real superpower of the 21st century. No wonder our opponents look terrified. And no wonder General Kayani is abiding by “national interest.”Shabbir AhmadIslamabad”The words of this idiot clearly shows where Pakistan is headed. Trust me, if Taliban takes over Pakistan, it will be USA versus Pakistan war. Afghanistan will stand by the side and wait for Taliban/Pakistan to be annihilated. Pakistan’s brave soldiers will try to run into Afghanistan. So Karzai must make sure that the borders are tightly sealed.

 

The Indian writes:”Your military engages only in illegal activity. It has no culture and has turned entirely into a terrorist machinery. It is no longer a military. It is Mujahideen. In our country we call them terrorists.”What does your military indulges into? absolutely nothing. Its absolutely useless, why do you guys spend so much on your military? It cant even protect its borders, where terrorists sail in happily and kill your people in the cities. And telly ou what our military is REALLY Mujahideen. If you have a doubt open up official Pakistan Army website and see the emblem of Pakistan Army, the motto of Pakistan Army is:IMAN (Faith)TAQWA (PIETY)JIHAD FE SABILILLAH (FIGHT IN THE PATH OF ALLAH)Each one of us is a Mujahid, you have 173 million Mujahideen in Pakistan. The Americans know it very well, you guys are doubtful. Just mess with us and we will show you.

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mauryan, at least you sound like a sensible person. however u r greatly mistaken by thinking I am pakistani. I am an american actually whose 1 parent is indian and the other pakistani. you make great points about pakistan, but choose to over look india’s faults. i don’t think there is one iota that i would disagree with you in terms of pakistan.however you blatantly ignored the question of kashmir, you brushed it off as it a minor issue, but that infact is a major issue.you are right about swat and why would any sensible person want to be part of a country where the taliban is running things. so in a way the kashmiris are SOL, either die at the hands of the indians or die at the hands of taliban. maybe if both of you kept its noses of out kashmir, they would be better off. much like the extremists are taking over pakistan, the hindu extremist are coming to power in india. you must not notice the hindu extremist carrying out crimses against the christians, sikhs, and to your appeasement the muslims.its easy to say “well leave us alone” but india is just as guilty obsessing and intervening pakistan as pakistan is over india. no difference. any half intelligent person knows that the downfall of pakistan is going to have a great impact on india one way or another. and any outbreak of war with india is going to be disastorous for pakistan in every way. yet all they do is go tit for tat like little children.i am muslim, but the talibinizationof pakistan to me is a disgusting thing and these people POSING as muslims and doing what they do is more of a concern then anything india can do.

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Umair writes:”Each one of us is a Mujahid, you have 173 million Mujahideen in Pakistan. The Americans know it very well, you guys are doubtful. Just mess with us and we will show you.”Yeah sure each one is mujahid in pakistan today, Some Un-uniformed Mujahids are killing uniformed Mujahids while other mujahids in white salwar kameejs are making peace agreements with brutal mujahids in black turbans, one older mujahid is threatning pakistan to remove Mujahids in Black coats.You sound like Afghan Mujahids of post 911, (good old days) and americans know that.UMAIR also write”And telly ou what our military is REALLY Mujahideen. If you have a doubt open up official Pakistan Army website and see the emblem of Pakistan Army, the motto of Pakistan Army is:IMAN (Faith)TAQWA (PIETY)JIHAD FE SABILILLAH (FIGHT IN THE PATH OF ALLAH) “Where was IMAN/TAQWA/JIHAD when your SACRED MUJAHID ARMY refused to accept bodies of your HOLY WARRIORS in KARGIL ??Which allah told you to run off from Indian lands of Kashmir ?

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Liar writes: “Just mess with us and we will show you.”Please. Don’t display filthy stuff in public. We know Jihadis do not wear underpants. Thanks

 

@Mauryan,If Pakistan Talibanizes, they control the nukes there too. If everybody in Pakistan is a mujahid and they live to serve in battle and die, then the U.S. of A. will be only too happy to deliver that.I guarantee you Mauryan, if the Taliban take Pakistan, the U.S. will flatten every inch of Pakistan to get those nukes. If the Taliban attack india unprovoked, they too will flatten Pakistan.

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GW writes: “I guarantee you Mauryan, if the Taliban take Pakistan, the U.S. will flatten every inch of Pakistan to get those nukes. If the Taliban attack india unprovoked, they too will flatten Pakistan.”So long as Obama is in power, the US might turn against Pakistan if Taliban takes them over. In general Republican governments have been ignorant of the outside world and have turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s activities. Pakistan has completely fooled an already idiotic Bush for 8 years and has allowed the ants to spread out. But I think the US owes the rest of the world justice. Its selfish activities have caused a lot of damage to many parts of the world after 1960s. It can start repairing the damage. The starting point can be a Taliban controlled Pakistan. Afghanistan will never survive as a nation so long as Pakistan sits in its neighborhood. It will never allow them to settle. So it is important to settle Pakistan first and then go after Afghanistan. Pakistan is facing increasing trouble in Balochistan. For all the Islamic brotherhood crocodile tears they have been shedding in Kashmir, they have been utterly brutal against the Balochis. I am still reading Ahmed Rashid’s book and he says that the Balochis do not like the Pashtuns either. And Taliban has taken over Quetta. Pashtun refugees have changed the population distribution in Balochistan and they do not like it. The splinter of Pakistan has begun slowly. It will accelerate with time, as the Taliban expands across Punjab.

 

mauryan, again your lack of intellectual commetns are ammusing.one, i’m not pakistani, i am a proud american so i could honestly care less what happens in the toilet bowl of the world otherwise known as the indian-pakistani region. you see, you have made many comments in these posts, some childish and a few good points.you attempt to make the kashmir issue a very small issue and brush it aside, with out realizing the importance of it.you say, well let’s not make this a muslim issue, yet majority of your comments are anti-islam. now one could care less of your feelings of islam, but kashmir is a big issue and your failed attempt to ignore it, shows the lack of “expertise” that you try and show in these forums. you are righ in the sense of why would kashmire want to be part of pakistan only to fall into the hands of the taliban, well why should they be occupied by india and live at the hands of the indias who prefer seeing them dead?? it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.pakistan’s problem of the taliban and its failed and weak attempts to deal with is troubling and is a thorn in the side for muslims world wide, these neanderthals and their made up version of islam is a joke. however let’s not ignore the extremist of india other wise knows as the BJP whose is more in control of the government. you can deny this if u wish, but we all know this is true.

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Hassan writes: “again your lack of intellectual commetns are ammusing”Where were you when I countered your fellow citizen Umair with factual information and asked him to provide his counter reference? I do give facts where possible and it gets frustrating when the people from your ex-country ignore everything and keep saying the same thing.”one, i’m not pakistani, i am a proud american so i could honestly care less what happens in the toilet bowl of the world otherwise known as the indian-pakistani region.”Ok. But then you write”but kashmir is a big issue and your failed attempt to ignore it, shows the lack of “expertise” that you try and show in these forums. you are righ in the sense of why would kashmire want to be part of pakistan only to fall into the hands of the taliban, well why should they be occupied by india and live at the hands of the indias who prefer seeing them dead?? it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.”If it is a toilet bowl as you mention, then why do you care? It is already full of sh*t and what is your concern what we talk about? Where is your reference for India wanting to see Kashmiris dead? Only those who indulge in insurgency die at the hands of our soldiers.If you are proud American, then tell your leaders to pay for all the damages that they have caused India by arming a rogue nation for 60 years, encouraging Islamic radicalism and encouraging autocracy in Pakistan that has lived off anti-indian sentiments.”you see, you have made many comments in these posts, some childish and a few good points.you attempt to make the kashmir issue a very small issue and brush it aside, with out realizing the importance of it.”I have argued with my own countrymen on Kashmir issue in one of the earlier blogs. However I will agree with them that in today’s context, Kashmir is irrelevant. Pakistan simply does not deserve Kashmir because it has been an irresponsible nation towards its Muslim brethren. An independent Kashmir would be all right with me. But Pakistan will never allow it. I’d like India to protect them from the Taliban that is spreading fast across Pakistan. Swat valley has been turned into mud. I do not want to see that in Kashmir. May be one day, when the world is in perfect peace, we can come back to discuss Kashmir, Tibet etc. Now we are heading towards a world war. Kashmir has gone back down in priority. Afghanistan is a priority. Controlling Pakistan is the next priority.”you say, well let’s not make this a muslim issue, yet majority of your comments are anti-islam.”I am not against Islam. I am against radical Islam that has begun to eat the Muslim world. if you cannot tell the difference between islam and radical one, I can’t help you.”now one could care less of your feelings of islam, pakistan’s problem of the taliban and its failed and weak attempts to deal with is troubling and is a thorn in the side for muslims world wide, these neanderthals and their made up version of islam is a joke.”Agreed.”however let’s not ignore the extremist of india other wise knows as the BJP whose is more in control of the government. you can deny this if u wish, but we all know this is true.”BJP is not Taliban. Let us be clear on that. It is not LeT, It is not HUJ, and not Al Qaeda. There is absolutely no comparison. It has militant leaders and it does not have broad support across India. It never will due to the extreme diversity across the nation. If BJP manages to win public emotions, it will surely be due to a serious attack from Islamic extremists, either from inside India or outside.

 

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