A letter for Pakistan’s Kayani from an Indian officer

April 19, 2009

A retired Indian Army officer has written an open letter to Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani that Pakistan’s The News carried this week and which is now popping up on blogs.

Colonel Harish Puri says it is incredible that the Pakistan Army allowed something as reprehensible as the public flogging of a teenage girl in the Swat  Valley without lifting a finger, even though it coudn’t have happened very far from an army checkpoint.

For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India,  and acquitted itself well in  U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.

The Pakistan Army’s inability to jam militant radio broadcasts in the region that have helped spread their power around is equally incomprehensible, Puri, who is from the army’s Signals unit, says. (The United States has just begun a broad effort in Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from making these broadcasts, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.)

Puri urges Kayani to act, not just for the sake of Pakistan but the entire region. “It doesn’t matter if it is “my war” or “your war” – it is a war that has to be won.”

An Indian Army oficer writing to the Pakistan Army chief is rare and the fact that the letter is published in a Pakistani newspaper even more extraordinary.

Or perhaps these are unprecedented times. McClatchy newspapers ran a story this week quoting U.S. experts as saying Pakistan was a “disaster in the making on the scale of the Iranian revolution.”  Counter-insurgency expert David Kilcullen has been quoted as saying Pakistan could collapse within months.

The sense of foreboding has risen with the international cricket authorities taking away the hosting rights for the 2011 World Cup from Pakistan, citing an uncertain security situation.

The tournament is still two years away, but it didn’t stop the International Cricket Council from making an early call on the security situation in the country. The tournament will be played in co-host nations –  India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.

[Army chief Kayani with troops and supporters of a radical cleric in Islamabad]

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Some American analyst recently said “Pakistan is beyond redemption now”.So the BEST and SMARTEST thing for all of us to do is prepare for near distance SUPER-NOVA, make our own survival and emergency plans and brace for impact.Any discussion or blogging to resuscitate Pakistan is futile exercise. When a plane crash-lands, the first duty of anyone is to help himself, then help others.

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I read the first reference to this article in Pak Tribune, which is made up of Umairs and other liars. This magazine is the core of Pakistan and its perspectives on the world, especially India. They have developed it as an art of twisting everything to project their anti-Indian venom. Read this and you won’t have to deal with Umair or any similar guys. They all look the same.http://www.paktribune.com/news/inde x.php?id=213722

I think in one of my previous comments last week I did point out to this letter, I had read it in ‘The News’ when it was published last week. No doubt the whole open letter from an Indian Army officer to the Pakistan Army chief is unprecedented.There is no denying that Pakistan is facing a millitant Taliban problem, but the problem starts when people start predicting doomsday scenarios for Pakistan. My only rant is you cannot just simply count Pakistan out, every country has its problems so do Pakistan. But we will overcome them.And for anyone arguing with me regarding the professionalism of Pakistan Army: here is what your own Army officer stated:”For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India, and acquitted itself well in U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.”

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SanjeevI would also like to highlight the sacrifices made by Pakistan Army, the Army lost its surgeon general, Lt. Gen Mushtaq Ahmed Baig (Shaheed)one of the country’s top opthalmologist on Feb 2008 in a suicide bomb in Rawalpindi. There were casulaties when choppers crashed in Waziristan claiming the lives of GOC Kohat and others, for the first time after independence the Army was sent into the tribal region, whole caves and networks were discovered and dismantled. The Army did its job with utmost sacrifice and has suffered 8000+ casualties, more than US or NATO countries, many got injured also. Pakistan has paid the most price and its soldiers suffered highest casualties. We do not want to loose like the Soviet Army did in Afghanistan and had to be humiliated and defeated in 1989 and withdraw. As the situation is complex it requires similar solutions as well.

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Umair@”We do not want to loose like the Soviet Army did in Afghanistan and had to be humiliated and defeated in 1989 and withdraw.”- You already did all that in SWAT. The worst part is that SWAT is in your own country.The greatest disrespect to your brave soldiers who died in harness is done by your own ISI which is arming those radicals to use them at a later date against India and part of your army which is unwilling to take that scum head on.

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Just wearing uniforms, marching in order, carrying guns etc do not make a professional army. It should deliver the goods when it matters. If it chooses to fight in civilian clothes most of the time and hides behind common people after attacking a proper military, it is an act of cowardice. On top of that most of your soldiers who die in such “covert” wars are disowned by your military leaders. Musharraf simply branded them as Mujahideen and Kashmiri freedom fighters in Kargil. Then books by respected Pakistanis like Ahmed Rashid, Zahid Hussein etc state openly that Pakistan’s military launched the offensive inside Indian held territory.Brave soldiers fight soldiers of the enemy. They do not engage in cowardly covert wars that are called acts of terrorism elsewhere. And records show that whenever your military fought in uniform, it lost. It surrendered to its own countrymen in Swat. This is a complete shame.So Umair, no matter how much you window wash your military with honors, it has none. The Indian officer wrote what he wrote because that will get attention. I don’t think he really means it. I am sure he laughed when he wrote it.No one has to make doomsday prediction about Pakistan. Doomsday has already arrived. And with blind people like you around, the end won’t even be noticed.

Hum Pakistan Ki Berri Fauj Kay Sher Dleer Sipahihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt_ 2RvOM1MM&feature=related

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Liar writes: “The Army did its job with utmost sacrifice and has suffered 8000+ casualties, more than US or NATO countries, many got injured also.”Your brave soldiers died in your own country right? Why do you expect the Americans and NATO to lose more of their soldiers? They are here to make you do your job right. Are you aware that soldiers get injured in wars. Or do they get massage? Aren’t your military soldiers required to protect your country whether the conflict is coming from outside or from within? Why is “brother” fighting the “brother”? I thought in your Islamic paradise called Pakistan, all brothers lived in peace, forgetting their differences, languages, ethnicity, growing beard and lived only for God. So why are they fighting each other now?

Liar writes: “We do not want to loose like the Soviet Army did in Afghanistan and had to be humiliated and defeated in 1989 and withdraw. “Remember Bangladesh? General Niazi with egg on his face? Rings a bell? Or has it been covered with another lie in your history book?

MAuryanThe Indian Army officer is much more credible than you, he knows the history of wars between Pakistan and India and I dont need to state anything further. Though it has been some time since I had been highlighting Pakistan Army’s professionalism and its role recognized in the world in UN peacekeeping missions, your own Indian Army officer has stated the same. You got your answer now, next time when you want to know Pakistan Army victories just write to your own Army officers, they will help you.Doomsday scenario? not unless every single Pakistani is united, the Armed forces united. Wars are fought and won bt nations in unity. We have gone through crisis before, we have fought wars before there is nothing new. We will face it and eliminate the threats; both internal and external. six months back, on this same blog i heard people stating Pakistan will be finished soon, still today people state Pakistan is only a matter of few months. Let me see who has the balls to mess with 173 million strong nation?

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Liar writes: “Hum Pakistan Ki Berri Fauj Kay Sher Dleer Sipahi”No body cares!

Mauryan writes: “I read the first reference to this article in Pak Tribune, which is made up of Umairs and other liars. This magazine is the core of Pakistan and its perspectives on the world, especially India. They have developed it as an art of twisting everything to project their anti-Indian venom. Read this and you won’t have to deal with Umair or any similar guys. They all look the same.”For vindictive & hateful Pakistanis like the writer of that article & the likes of him, the the best lesson and retribution for their ills, is to witness & live through the rise of India to the status of a Global power, while at the same time, witness & live through the failure of their own nation. The mental torture, they feel, when they read or see any article or news about India’s rise (and there are abundant) & also about the disgraceful fall of their nation, is far greater than any physical pain that can be inflicted on anyone. Hopefully it will be a lesson for all countries that a nation built of the ideology of detestation & vengeance, is destined to self-destruct & fail.

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Liar writes: “The Indian Army officer is much more credible than you, he knows the history of wars between Pakistan and India and I dont need to state anything further. Though it has been some time since I had been highlighting Pakistan Army’s professionalism and its role recognized in the world in UN peacekeeping missions, your own Indian Army officer has stated the same. You got your answer now, next time when you want to know Pakistan Army victories just write to your own Army officers, they will help you.”Indian army officer never mentioned about Pakistan winning any wars. So stop stretching your dreams. UN peace keeping missions are a joke worldwide. They become spectators in every crisis. Look at what they did in Rwanda when millions were slaughtered. They carry water pistols. Your army never won any war. Like it or not. That is the truth. Go find references to counter this.

hypocrite writes:”Remember Bangladesh? General Niazi with egg on his face? Rings a bell? Or has it been covered with another lie in your history book?”remeber 3:00 PM, Thursday 28 May 1998, history books tell Pakistan detonated 6 massive atomic bombs in tunnels beneath Baluchistan semi-desert mountain ranges piercing them apart and becoming the first ever muslim nuclear power.The sun of 1971 has disappeared below the horizon, we have moved on. This is a new Pakistan capable of unleashing catastrophic forces of destrution on its enemies.I wasnt born in 1971, I dont knwo General Niazi. I only know Lt. Gen Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, Director General Strategic Plans divisions with authority to take care of command and control of nuclear bombs.

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Liar writes: “Doomsday scenario? not unless every single Pakistani is united, the Armed forces united. Wars are fought and won bt nations in unity. We have gone through crisis before, we have fought wars before there is nothing new. We will face it and eliminate the threats; both internal and external. six months back, on this same blog i heard people stating Pakistan will be finished soon, still today people state Pakistan is only a matter of few months. Let me see who has the balls to mess with 173 million strong nation?”I will add this to my collection of Mullah Nasruddin jokes. There is only one thing that unites the 173 million testes – India. Other than that your brotherly love is all bogus. No wonder Balochis want their self determination. Pashtuns want nothing from your country either. Keep ranting. At least I get to laugh reading the cut-bullah rants.

Liar writes: “This is a new Pakistan capable of unleashing catastrophic forces of destrution on its enemies.”Sure, Mullahstan it has many enemies now – FATA, Sindh, Balochistan, Afghanistan and of course India. And soon the US and NATO will also join the list of enemies. So pack up nukes for all of them. And then drop one on your own head.

MauryanI challenge you on this one. when India conducted its nuclear tests in 11 May 1998, Pakistani Prime minister summoned Dr. A Q Khan and asked him if Pakistan had the capability to reply to Indian nuclear tests. He replied that our tunnels were dug in late 1980s and we will be ready within 72 hours to detonate nuclear bombs as soon as the orders are given. The 17 days till 28 May, every single delegate, foreign envoy and foreign ministers visited Pakistan to compell the government not to respond to Indian tests. In response money was offered, debt write-offs and economic aid was offered and in case Pakistan did not comply sanctions were threatened. But Pakistan did what was necessary to do.What is your take? After Pakistan becoming a nuclear power is India in a position to secure any kind of military over Pakistan any more? Knowing Pakistan has nuclear weapons and is capable of taking on much bigger enemies without any kind of hesitation.Whether Pakistan secured any military in the past or not, in future India will NEVER be able to secure any military victory over Pakistan due to the changed geo-political situation.

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“For a force that is as professional as the Pakistan Army and which has fought valiantly in all three wars with India, and acquitted itself well in U.N. peacekeeping missions worldwide, such an “abject surrender is unthinkable,” he writes.”- Posted by Umair—Col Puri is graceful enough, as he should be, not only in pointing out the weaknesses of Pakistani Army, but also its strengh.Col Puri also said this:@old army quip that did the rounds in the immediate aftermath of World war II: To guarantee victory, an army should ideally have German generals, British officers, Indian soldiers, American equipment and Italian enemies.”"Pakistani Army officers, as mentioned in the article and is known generally, are into “real estate, defence housing colonies and the like.” The planning at higher level is what affects the Army.”The problem is not at soldier level, but at the policy level and in executing the policies. If you respect a soldier, you will not let 8000+ lives of soldiers sacrificed in WOT become a cover to mask the continuing poor strategies of the Pakistani establishment at highest level. As I posted earlier, this is much like US solidiers sacrificing their lives for their country in a poorly planned war by US generals.

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Sanjeev/UmairCol Puri says:”I am told that it is difficult for your troops to “fight their own people.” But you never had that problem in East Pakistan in 1971, where the atrocities committed by your own troops are well documented in the Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report. Or is it that the Bengalis were never considered “your own” people, influenced as they were by the Hindus across the border? Or is that your troops are terrified by the ruthless barbarians of the Taliban?”–Can someone explain this. I know ur complex problem-complex solution answer, but it deserves more than that.Umair and others from Pakistanis:Can you tell us for our information, what information you have been given through history of Pakistan about:1. How many people were killed by Pakistani Army–I expect Muktibahini mention, so will say in advance that what “specifically Pakistan’s” contribution in those killings.2. Who attacked in 1965-India or Pakistan, and who won?3. What about 1971—what is officially in Pakistan’ history.

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Pakistan is a state is ceasing to exist by each passing day and now its a ticking time bomb that about to explode any time. its not the time to continue traditional India, Pakistan views about each other and who did what. They both as rival states have done whatever they can to harm each other so no one is innocent. Now there is the time to talk about the consequences of failure of Pakistan or if it falls in the hands of Islamic militants? Its not the problem that will be limited to Pakistan or it people if anything happen there it will not only affect its immediate neighbors but to every single country on the mope.

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Rajeev lets not live in the past, we have a future to look forward to. It really doesnt matter what happened durign all those years, the clocks cant be turned back ,what is done is done.

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@Rajeev lets not live in the past, we have a future to look forward to. It really doesnt matter what happened durign all those years, the clocks cant be turned back ,what is done is done.- Posted by Umair-Umair: I was just concerned about 60yrs history, not 1000yrs of history like many Pakistani bloggers often get into, so I know the relevance part. The point is we Indians get information from different sources and try to be sure of the source is credible enough. But in any case, I will like an opportunity ro get some other perspective bluntly without getting into lenghty discussions. There is no one better than a Pakistani to ask what they have been taught in the history rather than assuming other sources of info that such and such history has been taught to ypu guys. Have not these differences accounted for 100s of postings from you, me and others?I will love to drop this burden of history of India-Pak wars, Kashmir issues, Balochistan, Pashtuns, Millions killed in E. Pakistan, Pak’s complaints about India in the past–Reset the clock and move forward if the historical mistakes are not being repeated.

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I believe the letter wont do any good.Kayani has literally given up and so has the Pak Army.They are a bunch of cowards.Now when the militants killed 25 Army regulars,the army attacked them! What about when the Frontier Corps was being attacked?I think not doing anything about the militant problem would make matters worse.Kayani should be deposed.We need an authoritarian Army chief who leads by example.The army should finish the frankestein they created.kayani needs 3000 soldiers to guard him when he visits Karachi.He has gone to Swat only once and so on.If he is such a coward why is he still the army chief? No points for guessing!I believe our generation will prosecute Kayani and others for the complete lack of security all around. I am sorry to say letters wont do any good.This man has a dead conscience.

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Clown writes: “lets not live in the past, we have a future to look forward to. It really doesnt matter what happened durign all those years, the clocks cant be turned back ,what is done is done.”Yes. Let us what needs to be done – By all of us writing on this blog and what we write will be executed perfectly.Here is what is going to happen (since you asked us about discussing on the future):1. Punjab will come under Taliban. No music, no DVDs, no bars, no cricket, no restaurants, no TV, no news – just mosques, beard, burqa, prayer, wow! what a bright future.2. Balochistan will come under Taliban too.3. Pakistani ISI, in a desperate attempt to breathe, will try something on Indian soil.4. India will try to retaliate, but the US and its allies will restrain it. Government will collapse and another election will happen.5. The US will decide to take matters on its own hand and will go after Al Qaeda itself. It might now include the Taliban in its attack. This means, Pakistan will be facing American missiles.6. Dog fight will start for Mullah nukes.7. The collapse will be complete in a couple of years.8. New nation building efforts will start in Sindhu Desh,Afghanistan, Balochistan and Baki stan.9. Back to ignorant Americans and action replay of everything. Now there will be four nations instead of one. It would be good to keep them busy by engaging them against each other – those with long beards versus those who don’t.The slide has started already. It will only increase with time. Those who really care about life and values, should board the plane and get the hell out of the quagmire that is currently called Pakistan. In the future, there will be many countries. Jinnah’s dreams will come true.

Why is it the N bomb everytime? I dont understand that,is the N bomb going to feed your children?will it make your society just and free and democratic?will it lead to you economic development?no none of that, because if that was true it would have already happened. All you can do it talk childishly about unleashing ‘destruction’ and thats all what pakistan’s society can think so this is what you are getting,destrustion unleashed on your own society!! If you and your government had thought about growth and prosperity and development then thats what you would have got. Its the ‘mindset’ you see, which needs to be addressed. I question the very basic fibre of your society, its morals and also how it thinks as a group.A nation which has its basic founding principles based on a theory of division, definitely cant stay as one itself. I beleive that the rot in your society is so deep rooted that it will take years for your society to come out of its self imposed leprosy and by that time your nation would be disfigured beyond recognisition. As a precursor a majority of strategist believe that pakistan is already on the verge of collaspe, see if you can use your nuclear weapons to tie your splitting nation together….

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I was speaking to one of my friend, who was originally from Karachi and has now shifted to India. He says that when he was there, some ten years ago, pakistan was very developed, at least karachi. Salary levels were good, jobs were plenty and Infrastructure was good. So what has happened now? How can a developed nation surrender to Taliban, ask girls not to get out of their homes, not to study? Why are the educated and intelectual in Pakistan not protesting against this?

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Suleman Maniya:Pakistani Army is not just coward , but full of immoral elements .Pakistani Army is internationally known for its atrocities committed during seventies in formerly East Pakistan ,when they massacred more 3 million innocent people and raped millions of women .Pakistan is in utmost chaos, the presence of nuclear arsenals makes it more dangerous place on earth, fortunately so far these nuclear weapons have not fallen in the the hands of jehadi elements , international community is duty bound to take control of these nuclear weapons to prevent any catastrophe.

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If we in Pakistan want religious clerics to run the country, what is it to you Indians? Why cant you Indians ever mind your own damn business? We want Shariah Law in every part of Pakistan and we will keep long beards, why does it matter to you Indians. Theres going to be a similar revolution like the Iranian revolution and I am glad. We need Shariah Law in Pakistan and in every area in Pakistan, not only in Swat.

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[...] collapse in six months. Do you want to go down in history as the man who allowed that to happen? Reuters: A letter for Pakistan’s Kayani from an Indian officer __________________ "They think our heads are in their hands but violent use brings violent [...]

Dear All,Nice Blog subject and more than blog the interesting debate b/w arch rivals of history INDIA/PAKISTAN.But every one has to understand one thing that Pakistan is in real danger, more complex than Afghanistan. And US is at vulnerable risk more than RUSSIA. Its very unfortunate to write or predict this but i remember days of 1989 onwards Afghanistan become the graveyard for USSR and the biggest mistake done by USSR cost them as Russia,Any ways come to the point US is playing double standard with Pakistan situation (providing funding and putting bullets to their own people) Pakistan is totally inflated with gorilla war tactics unsatisfying tribal support to Taliban religious fundamentalist (Saudi some how still play a vital economic role to implement so called ISLAMIC rule, due to their hardliner leaders)with such a tactic development going on in Pakistan how they can still justify their army who some how plays a instrumental role to pitch down the influence of democracy and western army.The point raised by many blogger and letter written is very sadistic, i really not believe in Pakistan Army and its entire defense system. How could we forget one thing that despite its economy 70% driven direct or indirectly by army personal there is no one to take the point of growth development or any democratic country president and PM are fighting for themselves. The Hope of Punjab Sharif is struggling a lot and finally not likely to capable of fighting with the system.Don’t think this of past and forget about future if the current situation not get better. A Dark Past with silent future will rule Pakistan in black hole with ruler will be Taliban (soft rule country hard rule the army). Very very sad to write but In next 6 months if believe by analyst Pakistan will be destroyed for its own people and become a country where only fundamentalist will rule.Let see what happen in future with holding its so called glorious past will Pakistan able to create a new rise for its people or will be set by its redness of extremism.

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I think Zardari is taking the whole world for a ride. On one side he rattles that he is continuing his military offensive against the talibans and on the other side he signs a law permitting taliban to take over a part of pakistan. What the hell is happening, whatz he doing with all the money. If already billions of dollars have been spent what are the tangible results, and what guarantees does he give to ensure that he’ll or govt will control the areas after getting the aid? Amidst all of these how come pakistani’s don’t even recognise that the taliban’s will take them back to stone ages…

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Junaid writes: “If we in Pakistan want religious clerics to run the country, what is it to you Indians? Why cant you Indians ever mind your own damn business? We want Shariah Law in every part of Pakistan and we will keep long beards, why does it matter to you Indians. Theres going to be a similar revolution like the Iranian revolution and I am glad. WE NEED SHARIAH LAW IN PAKISTAN AND IN EVERY AREA IN PAKISTAN, NOT ONLY IN SWAT”Surrender to the Taliban has already begun, based on what this poster has written. This region has been on the path of many warring tribes from Central Asia and the Middle East for eons. And the denizens have survived the onslaught by surrendering and switching sides quickly. “If you can’t beat them, join them” mindset runs in their blood. If you read Pakistan’s history books, it starts with the invasion by Muhammad Bin Qasim. Qasim is portrayed as a benevolent leader who brought the message of Islam. The local Buddhist king Dahir is portrayed as a corrupt war lord and the people are depicted as struggling under his rule, waiting for a relief to come. So it is shown as though the great Qasim came in and gave the much desired relief and a great religion was welcomed. There is a lot more garbage and I wouldn’t go into that now. This is how their “valiant” military also has survived. Submit to the world super powers, align with them and pretend to be doing what they want and bilk them out of billions. Look at the way Musharraf switched sides when Colin Powell faced him in 2001.Considering what Junaid has written. If Taliban takes over Pakistan and Shariah law becomes effective (a la Iranian revolution), this is how they will submit to it – “We were ruled by corrupt leaders and people were engaged in immoral orgy. So God sent the Taliban from the mountains and restored His law and people who were choking due to the moral corruption, welcomed it with open hearts. God gave them power over all infidels and nuclear power”On the question on why Indians are talking about Pakistan – We don’t want to. But your leaders are taking you all for a ride by making a monster out of India. There are thousands of Ajmal Kasabs in your country as a result, who are a threat to our innocent people. If you can keep the fire confined to your country, we will not even venture into sites of this kind.

Amit Daga writes: “Nice Blog subject and more than blog the interesting debate b/w arch rivals of history INDIA/PAKISTAN.”It is such a shame to be considered an arch rival of a banana republic like Pakistan. Where is the comparison? Why this mindset? Do we compare with Somalia? How do they become an arch rival? In what sense other than hatred and distrust? If we use this logic, does the US compare with North Korea? Do we call them an arch rival of a rogue nation?We Indians have to change this mindset first. Only then others will start doing the same.

“If we in Pakistan want religious clerics to run the country, what is it to you Indians? Why cant you Indians ever mind your own damn business?”-Junaid says-Dear Junaid, what happened in Afghanistan during cold war affected India. Clearly what is happening NOW next door in Pakistan will also affect India once you become a citizen of Talibinistan. Hence the reason for Indians trying to move your lazy a$$.–”We want Shariah Law in every part of Pakistan and we will keep long beards, why does it matter to you Indians. Theres going to be a similar revolution like the Iranian revolution and I am glad. We need Shariah Law in Pakistan and in every area in Pakistan, not only in Swat.”–Junaid: You do not want Sharia but Sharia law superceding everyhting/long beards are imposed on you–not your choice.where do you live? Clearly not in SWAT and would you like your family to move to this great land where this new Sharia law is the final word?–I doubt you will or many will like to. You guys are confused about the kind of political sytem you want and Taliban is chosing is for you. So have it and give a pretend smile–say Cheeze.The only movement before, during and after LongMarch isthe wave of Fundamentalism sweeping Pakistan which is blowing Junaids.Click below to see people’s movement:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/con nect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/paki stan/nwfp/sharia-regulation-in-swat+-hs“ MINGORA: Tehrik Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM) chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad has warned the government to wind up its judicial system within four days and establish the appellate court of Darul Qaza for the Malakand division, or he will re-launch his protest campaign.”“I consider Western democracy as a system imposed on us by the infidels. Islam does not allow democracy or elections,” he opined, adding that he would never accept the system of justice of the non-Muslims.”"Sufi Mohammad said the implementation of the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation would restore peace in the Malakand division, particularly Swat. He said the Taliban militants had promised to lay down arms after the enforcement of the Nizam-e-Adl.”

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it’s sad to sit here and read some of the ignorant comments that posted. suddenly everyone in here is some sort of war expert, religous expert, policy expert, etc. this is the same nonsense that has led to the demise of pakistan and soon india. they can’t seem to get off each other about their problems. india can’t seem top stop blaming pakistan for everything while it continues its illegal occupation of kashmir. why do they try to claim a land where the majority is muslim, yet they can’t even stand the muslims who live in india?? and why can’t pakitan seem to stop obesessing over india and address its economic and extremist problems?? the irrationality and ignorance of both of these countries is going to one of them launching a nuke and other will respond, leading to the deaths of millions and starting a possible WW3. it would be an outrage if a world war 3 is started due to both of these miserable countries.

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The News has apologized for printing this letter, which they say did not go through the normal channels, and whose intention was to malign Pakistan Army while pretending to respect it.

Aamir Ali wrote:”while it continues its illegal occupation of kashmir. why do they try to claim a land where the majority is muslim, yet they can’t even stand the muslims who live in india??”Aamir, Paksitan exists on ancestral Indian land. Please stop the propagation of Islamic entitlement to Indian land, as this is a falsly misplaced notion of ownership. With that regards, thank you for failing to point out that hundreds of thousands of Hindus were killed in Kashmir. Hindus lives don’t seem to mean much to Pakistani’s, which should your lives mean any thing to us?Indians were forced to pay Jizia on their own land, should India not force Pakistani’s to pay Jizia for living on Indian land? Please stop the double standards, as they are all too apparent and weaken your position considerably.

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JunaidYou were drawing parallels to Iran and along the way you dream of a revolution. Firstly, Irans Ayatollah Khominei murdered millions of Iranians during one of the bloodiest phases of Iran, which only was comparable in the scale of murder to Greek invasion and later to Arab invasion. whereas Irans oil wells keep them floating, perennial debt situation with negligible surplus converts Pak into another Afghan and not an Iran with an Islamic revolution. Get real.Whatever the prevailing law there in Iran, now, women do go to college, do jobs, drive car and finally walk to grocery store without an accompanying male. If you are looking for that then settle the issue with swat Sharia mullahs first and then hope and pray for that revolution. Anyway, Iran does not have the democracy as is present in England, India, Turkey or Malaysia.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/print1.asp?id =172498Reactions in Pakistan on publication of the useless letter.

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In his article ‘An open letter to Gen Kayani’, while highlighting the Taliban threat, Col (retd) Harish Puri has actually tried to malign the Pakistan Army by distorting the facts. He has probably forgotten the bashing that the Indian Army took from a handful of Kashmiri Muhahideen and later by the brave Pakistani soldiers led by dynamic young officers in tactical encounters. He should have better consulted his colleagues who took part in the Kargil operations to find out that a Pakistani post of about 10-15 persons equipped with small arms was able to withstand several assaults by a battalion of about 800 soldiers of the ‘valiant’ Indian army.Before stories about the Pakistan army, the Indian colonel should first look around in the rank and file of his own army to see its moral bankruptcy, professional incompetence and low morale.Brigadier (retd) Shahid MasudRawalpinditaken from ‘The News”

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Hassan writes: “it’s sad to sit here and read some of the ignorant comments that posted. suddenly everyone in here is some sort of war expert, religous expert, policy expert, etc. this is the same nonsense that has led to the demise of pakistan and soon india. they can’t seem to get off each other about their problems.”Kindly do not make sweeping statements. In India there is a lot of difference of opinion between various people and we spend a lot of time arguing with each other on what should have been done and what could have been done. One does not have to be an expert to engage in discussions. This is like saying only those who make movies should watch them or only those who know about cars in and out should drive them. Not necessary. Ignorance? We are all ignorant know matter how much we know.”india can’t seem top stop blaming pakistan for everything while it continues its illegal occupation of kashmir. why do they try to claim a land where the majority is muslim, yet they can’t even stand the muslims who live in india??”India generally does not blame Pakistan for its ills. There are lot of issues inside India that are internal and there are arguments about them too. But whatever happens, happens. But it is a well proven fact that Pakistan has spent a great deal of its budget on arming itself so that it can continue a proxy war inside India and its institutions are involved in training and sending terrorists to cause collateral damage and mass killing of people. And we have every right to be concerned about it. Other than that, we have enough things to keep us pre-occupied. So if your establishment can come down to earth and do what it is supposed to do normally, then you will not find Indians coming at Pakistan that much. We do not talk about Bangladesh, Nepal or Sri Lanka that much because we do not see much problems from them.Talking about Kashmir – Kindly do not make this into a Muslim issue. That is the core of the problem. A lot of right things could have been done in 1947-48. All parties involved – Pakistan, India and the British, screwed everything up. Now, this is not the right time to talk about Kashmir. First go back and set your house in order. Looks like Pakistan itself may not exist in the near future. When that is the case, it makes no sense to add Kashmir to the weight. After seeing what is going on in Swat, I don’t think any sensible Kashmiri would want to be a part of Pakistan. Therefore, kindly do not shed crocodile tears like your fellow citizens. If your jihadist elements do not come in and kill people and threaten them to fall in line, you will not see our military there patrolling the streets.”and why can’t pakitan seem to stop obesessing over india and address its economic and extremist problems??”Good point. Your ship is sinking and you all need to work to make it stay afloat. And then repair the whole thing inside out. The principle is simple. Leave us alone and we will do the same.”the irrationality and ignorance of both of these countries is going to one of them launching a nuke and other will respond, leading to the deaths of millions and starting a possible WW3.”Looking at the probability, most probably the trigger will be pulled by a lunatic in power in your country. We are not that much of a militant state. We have systems in place that will prevent us from going nuts. But your country has a lot of them, that too in power. So that makes it a dangerous situation. To possess power one needs tremendous self restraint and responsibility. That is why only countries that have these aspects have nuclear bombs for their protection. Others have to show that sense of responsibility. Pakistan does not have it. Its secret trade of nuclear secrets to rogue nations and its religious fundamentalism makes it an irresponsible state. The world will breathe a lot easy if Pakistan’s nuclear infrastructure is dismantled. This is not an irrational statement. See the records for yourself and see what your power centers have been doing. If Pakistan threw its nukes at any nuclear capable country, it will get the courtesy returned. So do not single India out. We want to progress and move on. Getting upset about Mumbai attacks is not irrational. It came from your country and your establishment did everything to hide it and window wash it. This has wiped out any iota of trust we can have on Pakistanis. Time and again, Pakistan has been back stabbing India. So the burden is on Pakistan to prove its trustworthiness.”it would be an outrage if a world war 3 is started due to both of these miserable countries.”May be you should try your nukes on the Americans camped out in Afghanistan and see what they do. Leave India alone please. We are here because, your people are trying to drag our country down. And we have every right to defend ourselves in every which way possible. And watching what is going on inside Pakistan and discussing the eventual possibilities are important for us. Because we are sitting next to your country and we have to be prepared to meet any challenges.Both India and Pakistan have become famous for IT. Information Technology for Indians and Islamic Terrorism for Pakistanis. Which one is better decided how the world is looking at either country. So please do what you can to prevent your IT from spreading. Thank you much….

Mullah major writes as quoted by Umair the liar: “He has probably forgotten the bashing that the Indian Army took from a handful of Kashmiri Muhahideen and later by the brave Pakistani soldiers led by dynamic young officers in tactical encounters.”So they call terrorist attacks tactical. It has come to that. Ask the major to send his men in proper uniform and fight like real soldiers. Wearing civilian clothes, hiding behind women and shooting indiscriminately does not make a good soldier. Would he like to recommend a real war with real soldiers? After 1971, Pakistan lost all its nerves and would never send its uniformed soldiers anywhere other than Pakistan day parades.”He should have better consulted his colleagues who took part in the Kargil operations to find out that a Pakistani post of about 10-15 persons equipped with small arms was able to withstand several assaults by a battalion of about 800 soldiers of the ‘valiant’ Indian army.”Again the major proves and idiot. If you sneak in and set up logistics on vantage points, it will take a lot of efforts to clear those sites. And where did he come up with 10-15 persons equipped with small arms? Those are the people who managed to escape back to Pakistan. The other thousands got slaughtered by the Indian military and unlike his professional military, buried the dead with respect. Our fighter pilot’s body was returned with eyes gouged out and tongue cut. So much for valiance!Your whole country seems to be full of liars. Does the major know who won the Kargil conflict? It was staged by a military general in Pakistan without the permission or knowledge of an elected Prime Minister. This means it was an illegal operation to begin with. And the major is taking pride in an illegal operation! I get it. Your military engages only in illegal activity. It has no culture and has turned entirely into a terrorist machinery. It is no longer a military. It is Mujahideen. In our country we call them terrorists.

Liar writes: “http://thenews.jang.com.pk/print1.asp?i d =172498Reactions in Pakistan on publication of the useless letter.”Interesting to see so many responses to a “useless” letter. Wouldn’t one expect no responses to such letters?One fellow idiot writes in his response that caught my eye: “How the DG ISPR will respond to the Indian colonel, I don’t know. However, being a true nationalist, I am going to give my own befitting reply to him. Let it suffice if I tell him (and our enemies) to stop hatching conspiracies against our nationhood (and our strategic weapons), as this time we have the Taliban on our side, against whom no known antidote exists. A country governed by the Taliban and armed with nuclear weapons has the potential of becoming the next real superpower of the 21st century. No wonder our opponents look terrified. And no wonder General Kayani is abiding by “national interest.”Shabbir AhmadIslamabad”The words of this idiot clearly shows where Pakistan is headed. Trust me, if Taliban takes over Pakistan, it will be USA versus Pakistan war. Afghanistan will stand by the side and wait for Taliban/Pakistan to be annihilated. Pakistan’s brave soldiers will try to run into Afghanistan. So Karzai must make sure that the borders are tightly sealed.

The Indian writes:”Your military engages only in illegal activity. It has no culture and has turned entirely into a terrorist machinery. It is no longer a military. It is Mujahideen. In our country we call them terrorists.”What does your military indulges into? absolutely nothing. Its absolutely useless, why do you guys spend so much on your military? It cant even protect its borders, where terrorists sail in happily and kill your people in the cities. And telly ou what our military is REALLY Mujahideen. If you have a doubt open up official Pakistan Army website and see the emblem of Pakistan Army, the motto of Pakistan Army is:IMAN (Faith)TAQWA (PIETY)JIHAD FE SABILILLAH (FIGHT IN THE PATH OF ALLAH)Each one of us is a Mujahid, you have 173 million Mujahideen in Pakistan. The Americans know it very well, you guys are doubtful. Just mess with us and we will show you.

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mauryan, at least you sound like a sensible person. however u r greatly mistaken by thinking I am pakistani. I am an american actually whose 1 parent is indian and the other pakistani. you make great points about pakistan, but choose to over look india’s faults. i don’t think there is one iota that i would disagree with you in terms of pakistan.however you blatantly ignored the question of kashmir, you brushed it off as it a minor issue, but that infact is a major issue.you are right about swat and why would any sensible person want to be part of a country where the taliban is running things. so in a way the kashmiris are SOL, either die at the hands of the indians or die at the hands of taliban. maybe if both of you kept its noses of out kashmir, they would be better off. much like the extremists are taking over pakistan, the hindu extremist are coming to power in india. you must not notice the hindu extremist carrying out crimses against the christians, sikhs, and to your appeasement the muslims.its easy to say “well leave us alone” but india is just as guilty obsessing and intervening pakistan as pakistan is over india. no difference. any half intelligent person knows that the downfall of pakistan is going to have a great impact on india one way or another. and any outbreak of war with india is going to be disastorous for pakistan in every way. yet all they do is go tit for tat like little children.i am muslim, but the talibinizationof pakistan to me is a disgusting thing and these people POSING as muslims and doing what they do is more of a concern then anything india can do.

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Umair writes:”Each one of us is a Mujahid, you have 173 million Mujahideen in Pakistan. The Americans know it very well, you guys are doubtful. Just mess with us and we will show you.”Yeah sure each one is mujahid in pakistan today, Some Un-uniformed Mujahids are killing uniformed Mujahids while other mujahids in white salwar kameejs are making peace agreements with brutal mujahids in black turbans, one older mujahid is threatning pakistan to remove Mujahids in Black coats.You sound like Afghan Mujahids of post 911, (good old days) and americans know that.UMAIR also write”And telly ou what our military is REALLY Mujahideen. If you have a doubt open up official Pakistan Army website and see the emblem of Pakistan Army, the motto of Pakistan Army is:IMAN (Faith)TAQWA (PIETY)JIHAD FE SABILILLAH (FIGHT IN THE PATH OF ALLAH) “Where was IMAN/TAQWA/JIHAD when your SACRED MUJAHID ARMY refused to accept bodies of your HOLY WARRIORS in KARGIL ??Which allah told you to run off from Indian lands of Kashmir ?

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Liar writes: “Just mess with us and we will show you.”Please. Don’t display filthy stuff in public. We know Jihadis do not wear underpants. Thanks

@Mauryan,If Pakistan Talibanizes, they control the nukes there too. If everybody in Pakistan is a mujahid and they live to serve in battle and die, then the U.S. of A. will be only too happy to deliver that.I guarantee you Mauryan, if the Taliban take Pakistan, the U.S. will flatten every inch of Pakistan to get those nukes. If the Taliban attack india unprovoked, they too will flatten Pakistan.

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GW writes: “I guarantee you Mauryan, if the Taliban take Pakistan, the U.S. will flatten every inch of Pakistan to get those nukes. If the Taliban attack india unprovoked, they too will flatten Pakistan.”So long as Obama is in power, the US might turn against Pakistan if Taliban takes them over. In general Republican governments have been ignorant of the outside world and have turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s activities. Pakistan has completely fooled an already idiotic Bush for 8 years and has allowed the ants to spread out. But I think the US owes the rest of the world justice. Its selfish activities have caused a lot of damage to many parts of the world after 1960s. It can start repairing the damage. The starting point can be a Taliban controlled Pakistan. Afghanistan will never survive as a nation so long as Pakistan sits in its neighborhood. It will never allow them to settle. So it is important to settle Pakistan first and then go after Afghanistan. Pakistan is facing increasing trouble in Balochistan. For all the Islamic brotherhood crocodile tears they have been shedding in Kashmir, they have been utterly brutal against the Balochis. I am still reading Ahmed Rashid’s book and he says that the Balochis do not like the Pashtuns either. And Taliban has taken over Quetta. Pashtun refugees have changed the population distribution in Balochistan and they do not like it. The splinter of Pakistan has begun slowly. It will accelerate with time, as the Taliban expands across Punjab.

mauryan, again your lack of intellectual commetns are ammusing.one, i’m not pakistani, i am a proud american so i could honestly care less what happens in the toilet bowl of the world otherwise known as the indian-pakistani region. you see, you have made many comments in these posts, some childish and a few good points.you attempt to make the kashmir issue a very small issue and brush it aside, with out realizing the importance of it.you say, well let’s not make this a muslim issue, yet majority of your comments are anti-islam. now one could care less of your feelings of islam, but kashmir is a big issue and your failed attempt to ignore it, shows the lack of “expertise” that you try and show in these forums. you are righ in the sense of why would kashmire want to be part of pakistan only to fall into the hands of the taliban, well why should they be occupied by india and live at the hands of the indias who prefer seeing them dead?? it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.pakistan’s problem of the taliban and its failed and weak attempts to deal with is troubling and is a thorn in the side for muslims world wide, these neanderthals and their made up version of islam is a joke. however let’s not ignore the extremist of india other wise knows as the BJP whose is more in control of the government. you can deny this if u wish, but we all know this is true.

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Hassan writes: “again your lack of intellectual commetns are ammusing”Where were you when I countered your fellow citizen Umair with factual information and asked him to provide his counter reference? I do give facts where possible and it gets frustrating when the people from your ex-country ignore everything and keep saying the same thing.”one, i’m not pakistani, i am a proud american so i could honestly care less what happens in the toilet bowl of the world otherwise known as the indian-pakistani region.”Ok. But then you write”but kashmir is a big issue and your failed attempt to ignore it, shows the lack of “expertise” that you try and show in these forums. you are righ in the sense of why would kashmire want to be part of pakistan only to fall into the hands of the taliban, well why should they be occupied by india and live at the hands of the indias who prefer seeing them dead?? it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.”If it is a toilet bowl as you mention, then why do you care? It is already full of sh*t and what is your concern what we talk about? Where is your reference for India wanting to see Kashmiris dead? Only those who indulge in insurgency die at the hands of our soldiers.If you are proud American, then tell your leaders to pay for all the damages that they have caused India by arming a rogue nation for 60 years, encouraging Islamic radicalism and encouraging autocracy in Pakistan that has lived off anti-indian sentiments.”you see, you have made many comments in these posts, some childish and a few good points.you attempt to make the kashmir issue a very small issue and brush it aside, with out realizing the importance of it.”I have argued with my own countrymen on Kashmir issue in one of the earlier blogs. However I will agree with them that in today’s context, Kashmir is irrelevant. Pakistan simply does not deserve Kashmir because it has been an irresponsible nation towards its Muslim brethren. An independent Kashmir would be all right with me. But Pakistan will never allow it. I’d like India to protect them from the Taliban that is spreading fast across Pakistan. Swat valley has been turned into mud. I do not want to see that in Kashmir. May be one day, when the world is in perfect peace, we can come back to discuss Kashmir, Tibet etc. Now we are heading towards a world war. Kashmir has gone back down in priority. Afghanistan is a priority. Controlling Pakistan is the next priority.”you say, well let’s not make this a muslim issue, yet majority of your comments are anti-islam.”I am not against Islam. I am against radical Islam that has begun to eat the Muslim world. if you cannot tell the difference between islam and radical one, I can’t help you.”now one could care less of your feelings of islam, pakistan’s problem of the taliban and its failed and weak attempts to deal with is troubling and is a thorn in the side for muslims world wide, these neanderthals and their made up version of islam is a joke.”Agreed.”however let’s not ignore the extremist of india other wise knows as the BJP whose is more in control of the government. you can deny this if u wish, but we all know this is true.”BJP is not Taliban. Let us be clear on that. It is not LeT, It is not HUJ, and not Al Qaeda. There is absolutely no comparison. It has militant leaders and it does not have broad support across India. It never will due to the extreme diversity across the nation. If BJP manages to win public emotions, it will surely be due to a serious attack from Islamic extremists, either from inside India or outside.

Mr. Mauryan i appreciate your concern about the size of Pakistan, but we cannot forget that when we deal with enemy its not about the size but how much he can be danger. Take a example of tiny Vietnam it make US on knees and Small Cuba Still a big trouble for west and how could we forget Might USSR threw out from Afghanistan. So the point is we should concentrate how to dismantle Pakistan strength.

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Aamir Ali,You’re an idiot. If you cannot identify the logical fallacies in your comment, you’re wasting precious oxygen with your continued existence. Hopefully, you won’t pass your stupid genes to the next generation.

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Hassan wrote: “but kashmir is a big issue and your failed attempt to ignore it, shows the lack of “expertise” that you try and show in these forums. you are righ in the sense of why would kashmire want to be part of pakistan only to fall into the hands of the taliban, well why should they be occupied by india and live at the hands of the indias who prefer seeing them dead?? it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.pakistan’s problem of the taliban and its failed and weak attempts to deal with is troubling and is a thorn in the side for muslims world wide, these neanderthals and their made up version of islam is a joke. however let’s not ignore the extremist of india other wise knows as the BJP whose is more in control of the government. you can deny this if u wish, but we all know this is true.”Kashmir is a big issue to Pakistan. It’s not for us in India. No one certainly wishes death to Kashmiris here. Why is Pakistan so concerned with Kashmir anyway? How about cleaning up Pakistan’s own house before they try to help the neighbors? History bears witness that Hindus and Muslims were living more or less peacefully in Kashmir before Pakistan dipped in muddy hands into the pool and dirtied it with the insurgency.BJP and it’s coterie of idiot parties are at least willing to take part in the democratic process. Problem is, no one in Pakistan seems to be willing to follow the rules that Pakistanis created to run it.Pakistan has to realize that having a few dozen nuclear weapons doesn’t make them invincible. Not with a homegrown insurgency, divided politicians, military commanders who don’t understand that they serve under the politicians and not over them, a defunct economy and of course an angry America and India. Be afraid, Pakistan, and find sanity for you’re squandering your future away for no reason at all.

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UmairI have seen Pakistan Army web site, undoubtedly Pakistan Army is brave and faithful , when they massacred more than 3 million innocent people in formerly east pakistan and raped millions of women in the name of allah ? I belive if this is islam, and if killing innocent people is jehad, nobody is a purer muslim than Pakistani Army ?

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manuryan,again you down the play your own points. if kashmir is not of importance to india then why do they contineu to keep their dirty hands in their. the islamic insurgency that temporairly came from there was a direct result of the illegal occupation by india. it is widely known that the kashmiris are not extremsit, never have been and never will, their own “islamic insurgency” was ended quickly on their own doing. you said BJP is not taliban and not al-qaeda.they may not use the same tactics, but their goals are the same. taliban/al-qaeda use islam and claim they just want “islamic law” yet they are a bunch of illiterate bafoons who can’t even read the quran much less implement it. the BJP has used violence in its own ways, have you forgotten the attack on the parliament a few years ago, and didn’t at that time, they tried to blame pakistan?? i believe so, which they embarassingly with drew the charge later. and why do you contionously choose to ignore the violent attacks by BJP and its related parties on christians and sikhs as well? as i said before, pakistan is joke now, its worthless government has sold it to the arabs and has made it self a factory/warehouse for wahabbisim/extremisim. pakistan was founded by a shia muslim, yet its people and its government are allowing the shias to be slaughtered at an alarming rate, so the fact that it claims it self to be an “islamic country” is false. I’m not trying to defend one side over the other, but if you are going to sit there and try and think that india is some peace loving country that does’t mean its neighbor any harm, than that it self is ignorance. let’s not forget the indian army killing thousands of innocent villagers and poor people in the mountains that fired shells and bombs on. indians hands are just as bloody as pakistan’s are.

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Hassan writes: “again you down the play your own points. if kashmir is not of importance to india then why do they contineu to keep their dirty hands in their. the islamic insurgency that temporairly came from there was a direct result of the illegal occupation by india. it is widely known that the kashmiris are not extremsit, never have been and never will, their own “islamic insurgency” was ended quickly on their own doing.”You said you are a proud American, who does not care much about the toilet bowl named India-Pakistan region. But let me read your words here back to you – “their dirty hands”, “illegal occupation,” etc. This tells me that you are a Pakistani who emigrated to the US, keeping your original bias in tact. Why do you expect me to be understanding your view point when you have already pre-judged?I have my own views on Kashmir and went into a very lengthy argument with my fellow Indians on this blogspot not long ago. A lot of things could have been done right and the opportunities were missed. The reality now is very different. Decisions have to be made based on the current situation rather than from the past condition. Today, as a concerned individual for all Kashmiris – Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in the region, I prefer them to be protected against radical elements in Islam that have begun to destroy the region. We just saw Swat valley go into mud. I do not want to see Kashmiris suffer the same fate, just because they are Muslims. India cannot and will not act based on Pakistan’s conditions. Its own existence as a single nation is now under threat. So I’d let them sort that out first before worrying about Kashmir. And as an American, I’d like you to be more neutral. Or if you prefer to keep your old Pakistani bias, then you will not get the right answer that you desire from us.

Hassan writes: “you said BJP is not taliban and not al-qaeda.they may not use the same tactics, but their goals are the same. taliban/al-qaeda use islam and claim they just want “islamic law” yet they are a bunch of illiterate bafoons who can’t even read the quran much less implement it.”Their goals are not the same. I think you do not know much about India or its politics and as a result are making conclusions from afar. BJP wants to come to power, just like any other political party in India. Congress burned Indian Punjab triggering Khalistan movement and when Indira Gandhi payed the price for her acts, innocent Sikhs were slaughtered by Congress led goons and not the BJP. Sikhs have not gotten their justice to date on this issue. Every political party in India uses violence as a means to quicken their progress and grab power. There are various regional parties who engage in riots on various reasons and they’d love to have issues burning forever since that will help their power consolidation and survival. This is pretty much what Pakistani military has been doing as well – keeping the Kashmir problem, Hindu threat, war in the region etc alive in order to sustain its hold on power. India is a huge country and BJP can never hold them all together.”the BJP has used violence in its own ways,”Read above. Violence has become a part of the game for many political parties in India to grab on to power. Young politicians are taking to instigating violence and triggering sentiments in order to make quick progress. Look at Varun Gandhi or Uddhav Thackaray. People do not have much respect for such politicians in our country. Votes are decided based on issues rather than religion in India.”have you forgotten the attack on the parliament a few years ago, and didn’t at that time, they tried to blame pakistan?? i believe so, which they embarassingly with drew the charge later.”I do not recall any embarrassing withdrawal. All I know is that Pakistan sponsored militants attacked our parliament and our government had every right to seek justice. They were halted from proceeding by the Americans who had waged a similar war because their territory was attacked brazenly. So we still wonder why there is this double standard in this world. US and its allies threaten to close down all businesses with India if it went to war with Pakistan. So India had to tone down.”and why do you contionously choose to ignore the violent attacks by BJP and its related parties on christians and sikhs as well? “Who did? I did not. Many of us don’t. How do you draw such conclusions? You are assuming all Hindus to be monolithic in views and emotions. But Hindus have extreme diversity and do not look at everything the same way. BJP has support only in some regions. In about 60% of the country, they do not have much base and are relying on coalition partners to come to power. We have communist states and atheistic states as well.

Amit writes: “we cannot forget that when we deal with enemy its not about the size but how much he can be danger. Take a example of tiny Vietnam it make US on knees and Small Cuba Still a big trouble for west and how could we forget Might USSR threw out from Afghanistan. So the point is we should concentrate how to dismantle Pakistan strength.”I know very well that size is not a critical factor. UK could rule the whole world once. But size alone should not be a factor. Pakistan simply does not compare with India, just like Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka etc do not. Do you agree? The only nation that compares in every aspect with India is China and we all know that India lags behind China. We accept that and are careful not to mess with the Chinese. And it is my wish, Pakistan did the same in the case of India.I do not buy your examples of Vietnam and Cuba. They are very similar to Afghanistan. They were cold war battle fields where the super powers waged war using local foot soldiers and in each case one of them lost. Vietnam or Cuba or Afghanistan by itself could never have handled one of the super powers. They would have been crushed like Tibet.India has its needs and it is doing what it can to meet those needs. The threats it faces are very real and it has to take counter measures. If other countries saw this as a threat and began to arm themselves beyond their means, they are most welcome to it. It is their nation and they can do whatever they want. But we don’t need their approval on how we handle our defense. We have multiple threats and we need to handle them based on our priorities and not based on what the rest of the world wants us to do.

Umar writes:@What does your military indulges into? absolutely nothing. Its absolutely useless, why do you guys spend so much on your military? It cant even protect its borders, where terrorists sail in happily and kill your people in the cities. And telly ou what our military is REALLY Mujahideen. If you have a doubt open up official Pakistan Army website and see the emblem of Pakistan Army, the motto of Pakistan Army is:IMAN (Faith)TAQWA (PIETY)JIHAD FE SABILILLAH (FIGHT IN THE PATH OF ALLAH)Each one of us is a Mujahid, you have 173 million Mujahideen in Pakistan. The Americans know it very well, you guys are doubtful. Just mess with us and we will show you.–Umair: On Pakistami Army’ motto: Even Taliban, Al-Qaida, LeTs, JeM terrorist outfits have well-meaning names. But in reality the world knows their business dealings are cruel include beheadings, killing innocents.Accept my congratulations on your misperception and amnesia about Indian Arm’s uselessness and that Americans do not the ba$$s to fight with Pakistan. Could you use this misperception of Pakistani Army’s bravery against the real enemies, the terrorists/Taliban who are sitting where Nukes cannot be used and has FAITH which Pakistani Army has and is also “FIGHTING IN THE PATH OF ALLAH. Clearly Pakistan considers these beheaders/floggers as friends & is waiting for the time when US withdraws and Goldern era will start.Guys, IT IS ACCEPTED BY PAKISTANI JOURNALISTS (LIKE KAMRAN SHAFI & IRFAN HUSAIN) WHO HAVE BEEN PUBLISHING CONSISTENTLY THAT PAKISTANI GOVT IS GUTLESS AND THAT PAKISTANI ARMY LACKS RESOLVE AND SOLDIERS ARE NOT LED FROM FRONT BY THE OFFICERS (REMEMBER INDIAN COL SAID THE SAME THING). I will trust them more than the naive/biased bloggers from Pakistan.Here is a piece by Kamran Shafi and who I believe knows more about India and Pakistan.http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/con nect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newsp aper/columnists/kamran-shafi-cravenness- everywhere

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Rajeev, Mauryan,I think Indian army could flatten Pak army in two weeks and U.S. Military could flatten Pak Army in one and a half weeks. Never mind the nxkes, they are “MADE IN CHINA” and will likely not work.Any takers on how long it will take?

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@it is better, if both countries kept their dirty hands off kashmir.-HassanHassan: Could you please suggest the solution acc to you at this time, considering everything? Only people who are close to ground realities are those who face the music in Kashmir. Be careful that in reality on the grounds, there are facts, exagerations and conspiracy theories. On issues like Kashmir one could give an opinion based upon one’s understanding of the current situation, the history and probable future.FYI: Kashmiri (Muslims), WILLNGLY AND PROUDLY-are serving as soldiers in Indian Army to fight against terrorists.Read below an article on “Shabir Ahmed Malik who was among eight Indian soldiers killed in a gun battle earlier this week with separatist militants in Kupwara.”http://forum.pakistanidefence.c om/index.php?s=38ad7ce922c11aa9db1f85aa0 ac4a387&showtopic=81649&pid=1132418&st=0 &#entry1132418

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@Rajeev, Mauryan,I think Indian army could flatten Pak army in two weeks and U.S. Military could flatten Pak Army in one and a half weeks. Never mind the nxkes, they are “MADE IN CHINA” and will likely not work.Any takers on how long it will take?- Posted by Global Watcher–Currently the issue is Taliban and the bunch of terrorists/the fundamentalists trying to snatch power from Pakistan. If they succeede that will be trouble. But I believe Pakistani Army will let that happen. There might be lot of blood bath but I believe Pakistani Army, willingly or pressurized by US will have to do the dirty job. At the final call for making decision, many in Pakistan will not like to live under Talibanized Pakistan with Sharia supermacy. If Pak is doubtful, US will make sure Pakistani move their lazy a$$. US has done that in 2001 by pressurizing Musharraf’s to make a U-turn against Afghani Taliban. If everything else fails, it will be Chief Kayani’s turn to make U-turn against this Taliban.From Indian POV also, war is not the solution. Rather it will be like giving unnnecessory reason to Pakistani Army to show its bravery itching to show its bravery outside Pakistan and that will allow a definite merger of Pakistani army and terrorists of all kinds. India has to play wait & watch game, but be prepared. US will also not enter into direct war as I said, it will make Pakistan do that. How about China, is China less worried? I doubt they want to deal with this new version of Pakistan.

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Umar writes: “What does your military indulges into? absolutely nothing. Its absolutely useless, why do you guys spend so much on your military? ……Lmao! Again, a bunch of baseless, fact-less & moronic Mullah rhetoric from an ignorant Pakistani. We’ll do this, we’ll do that, defeat the Americans & Indians etc etc.Yeah, the Indian army is useless & that’s why it has perfected the art of kicking the A$$ of the ‘brave’ Pakistani army, including, absolutely humiliating it in 1971. The ‘brave’ Pakistani army is currently the laughing stock of the entire world & is being harshly criticized by most Pakistani intellectuals as well.BTW, India spends App. 2.5% of it’s GDP on defense, which is one of the lowest in the world & Pakistan spends App. 7% of it’s GDP, which is amongst the highest in the world. What is the achievement of the ‘brave’ Pakistani army even after this kind of spending?Losing the country in bits & pieces, to a bunch of rag-tag hoodlums? GREAT ACHIEVEMENT!

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Rajees – “If Pak is doubtful, US will make sure Pakistani move their lazy a$$. US has done that in 2001 by pressurizing Musharraf’s to make a U-turn against Afghani Taliban. If everything else fails, it will be Chief Kayani’s turn to make U-turn against this Taliban.”I think, that might not happen this time around. The Pakistani army is making it quite clear, with it’s actions or rather inaction, that it does not want to fight the Taliban & other extremist forces. An overwhelming Public opinion in Pakistan is Anti-American & Pro-Taliban, except some liberals like Ahmed Rashid etc, which form a minuscule segment of the Pakistani society.I think, once the Taliban take control of Pakistan, the Pakistani army will openly support it & hence the US, NATO, India will have no choice but to attack Pakistan.

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@Rajees – “If Pak is doubtful, US will make sure Pakistani move their lazy a$$. US has done that in 2001 by pressurizing Musharraf’s to make a U-turn against Afghani Taliban. If everything else fails, it will be Chief Kayani’s turn to make U-turn against this Taliban.”I think, that might not happen this time around. The Pakistani army is making it quite clear, with it’s actions or rather inaction, that it does not want to fight the Taliban & other extremist forces. An overwhelming Public opinion in Pakistan is Anti-American & Pro-Taliban, except some liberals like Ahmed Rashid etc, which form a minuscule segment of the Pakistani society.I think, once the Taliban take control of Pakistan, the Pakistani army will openly support it & hence the US, NATO, India will have no choice but to attack Pakistan.- Posted by Mortal—-I hope you are wrong, but let us see. I wonder what will US do. Leave quietly? or stay? but for what? to catch elusive Al-Qaida by playing those video games by firing drones? That will be a joke. What will be the face-saving solution for them?Any Pakistani want to comment??? Is Pakistan ready to fight the beheaders or planning for hug&kiss.This is the perfect time to behead the beheaders. This is the time when you can forget about human rights violations. Please do not go down the history as animal (Taliban) right activists!!!

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Rajeev – “—-I hope you are wrong, but let us see. I wonder what will US do. Leave quietly? or stay? but for what? to catch elusive Al-Qaida by playing those video games by firing drones? That will be a joke. What will be the face-saving solution for them?”I also hope I’m wrong, Rajeev, but it looks like the likeliest scenario at this time. That’s of course, unless Pakistanis suddenly wake up & realize, what they are getting into. No force can prevent Pakistan from being taken over by extremists, if it’s populace & army want it that way and so far, neither has done anything to fight the wave of extremism, which is sweeping their country.As for, whether the US will stay or leave after the Talibanization of Pakistan, I don’t think the US has a choice but to stay & fight, for it’s own security, if not for anyone else’s. The US very well knows that it can’t leave Pakistan & let it become another pre-9/11 Afghanistan. The US also knows that the Talibanization of Pakistan is imminent. It is simply buying time, so that it can withdraw it’s troops from Iraq in time & get ready for Pakistan. In any eventuality, it’ll be one bloody mess.A note of caution for India: After 9/11, the US drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan & into Pakistan. This time around, where will the Taliban be driven to? They will make every attempt to infiltrate India & therefore Indian troops will have to be vigilant & ready, at the borders.

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Umair,Your fav. Gen Kayani and Gen Pasha will surrender to the Taliban and betray the U.S. Mark my words. Surrender is what your un prof army does best, historically, or kill innocent unarmed civilians in the millions and rape them.When they backstab the U.S. the U.S. votership and lawmakers will not tolerate another failure like Iraq, are you ready for a barrage of U.S. cruise missiles and Shock and Awe in Pakistan?

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Among those of us who work as analysts in the west, the discussion has already begun about the ‘Talibanization’ of Pakistan. In government circles in Washington, Ottawa, London, Brussels, Canberra, etc. there is already deep, deep concern about whether the Pakistan Army is doing enough to reverse the tide.The US under Obama also looks set to take a much tougher stance on Pakistan, and in particular the Pakistani military. There will be tighter conditions on military aid (no more fighters and surface to air missiles) and a renewed focus on the development of civil society. There will also likely be some very stringent targets on aid. The conditionality of the IMF bailout was a good taste of what’s to come. Pakistan’s politicians and generals are going to have their work cut out for them for sure.

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Mortal writes: “After 9/11, the US drove the Taliban out of Afghanistan & into Pakistan. This time around, where will the Taliban be driven to? They will make every attempt to infiltrate India & therefore Indian troops will have to be vigilant & ready, at the borders.”Taliban cannot spread into India. It does not have conducive environment for it. May be they can try to move into Kashmir. But there is a 500000 strong Indian military there, which will be very different from what the Taliban has been used to in their country. These are real soldiers and they will fight. On the West side of India is the huge Rajasthan desert. On the South is the swamp of Kutch. Inside India Taliban will be slaughtered.Taliban will not turn in the direction of India. They will prefer to fight the Americans. This time they will own the Pakistani military and its nukes. So they will face the US and its allies.

Keith writes: “The US under Obama also looks set to take a much tougher stance on Pakistan, and in particular the Pakistani military. There will be tighter conditions on military aid (no more fighters and surface to air missiles) and a renewed focus on the development of civil society.”Punishing Pakistan with economic sanctions at this time will prove counter productive. It will only help the Taliban strengthen its position. They love economic backwardness. I think they badly want to take over Pakistan in order to get enough “strategic depth” against the US in Pakistan. And the US should never make the mistake of making a peace deal with the Taliban. There is no such thing as a moderate Taliban. The only thing that comes close to that definition is the ISI. The ISI is well experienced in duplicity and double dealing. They will take everything from the US and enhance the base for their masters, the radical Islamists. Look at what happened to the peace deal in Swat. Now they want to abrogate the law of the country completely. The US should warn the Taliban that if it tries to block its efforts, it will attack its territory, whether it is inside Pakistan or not. Otherwise, the US will face a much larger entity of a fully converted Pakistan.

GW writes: “I think Indian army could flatten Pak army in two weeks and U.S. Military could flatten Pak Army in one and a half weeks. Never mind the nxkes, they are “MADE IN CHINA” and will likely not work.”I’d like India to stay out of the whole thing. We should just be prepared to fend off any stray attacks coming from the Western side of the border. Let the Americans and their allies do their work and finish it. They got into this mess in 1978. Let them clean it up. India should try not to get into any conflicts for a long time in order to continue its progress. It should become a dependable economic ally and power, while enhancing its defense strength. I liked the way India let Sri lanka clean up the LTTE. We should let the Americans clean up the Taliban and the nukes.

This article is a bit too much. Pakistan is not Iran.

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Pakistan is not Iran, but have a read about the Iranian revolution and you will see there are some strong parallels between what happened in Iran and what’s happening now in Pakistan. Have a look at the map in the link below. The Taliban are well on their way to taking all of the NWFP, in addition to already owning the FATA. Punjab won’t be that far behind at this rate.http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi ves/2009/04/taliban_moving_on_ma.php

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@This article is a bit too much. Pakistan is not Iran.- Posted by pk–Pk: What in your view is the status of pakistan, the response so far and the likely response of Pakistan establishment any chance of complete Talibanization. Is delay, a tactical benifit (for whom) or this delay in reaction suicidal. This has overshadowed LongMarch.Although I have heard many times over these blogs that no religious fundamentalist party has won the election in Pakistan but this wave defies all that. This was bound to happen–Lal Masjid-2yrs ago was in the same direction but the basic network of automatic weapon-carrying militant was not this extensive. Taliban catalyzed all this and very quickly.

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Rajeev and Keith,Well I think you guys would love to see Pakistan coming under Taliban rule. The consequences of the Talibanization of Pakistan will lead to a nuclear war between India and Pakistan and we certainly don’t want to see millions of our people die.Not all Pakistanis are religious fanatics. You should read an article from pervez Hoodbhoy where he says that there is almost no difference between the Indians and the Pakistanis. http://www.chowk.com/articles/8748 The current Pakistani mindset is like the Indian’s. When I say Pakistan is like India,I mean what happened when BJP came to power? Everyone were crying foul and saying pessimistic things that India was drowning towards Hindutva..Did BJP wage a war with Pakistan deliberately? Did they tamper with the Indian constitution? The first thing they did was to send Advani to Lahore to make a peace deal. The same way no one in mainland Punjab,Baloch or Sindh want to go back to the stone age for the sake of Islam. Taliban will rise only if there is popular support among the people which they clearly lack. You may ask why Pakistanis don’t protest against terrorism. I don’t know but that may lead to another question-How many Indian civilians have protested against Maoism?

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PK,I concede that the Iranian revolution example is a bit dire. But let’s look at the lesser consequences. When the BJP rose to power in India, they didn’t ban the sales of CDs or close down barber shops. They didn’t start blowing up girls schools and they didn’t start bulldozing the houses of landlords. These are all things that TNSM has done in Swat. What makes you think that if the Taliban come to power nationally that they would not do the same thing at the national level?Comparison between the BJP and Pakistani Taliban is not an apt comparison. The BJP is more like the Islamist parties in Pakistan. The Taliban are far worse than any Islamist party. For one they don’t believe in the very democratic principles that justify the very existence of Islamic political parties to begin with!

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PK,Also…let’s you think that I am in favour of a Taliban takeover, let me assure you that is the last thing I want. I have friends who are dodging bullets in Afghanistan as we speak. I would rather not have Pakistan add to their burden by creating an even more permissive environment than already exists in Pakistan for jihadists and Taliban insurgents.But things are getting testy. That’s why I am worried. Have a look at the map:http://www.longwarjournal.org/maps/P akistan/NWFP_redmap_04142008.phpAren't you worried at all?

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Pakistan is a failed state, as well as a state sponsor of terror. Elements in the Pakistan gov’t nurtured Taliban in Afghanistan, and now are reaping the rotten fruits of their own policies. Pakistan’s obsession with countering India has left them nearly bankrupt, only multi-billion dollar loans, and handouts keep the Pakistani economy above water. Jinnah must be turning in his grave.

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@Rajeev and Keith,Well I think you guys would love to see Pakistan coming under Taliban rule. The consequences of the Talibanization of Pakistan will lead to a nuclear war between India and Pakistan and we certainly don’t want to see millions of our people die.–by pk-pk: Rather, Indians have been crying at the top of their voice asking Pakistan to do something about Taliban. To me, Taliban Al-Qaida, extreme fundamentalist are different shades of grey. Talibanization of Pakistan means Pakistan will become like pre-9/11 Afghanistan where Taliban ruled (was created with the help of pakistan). I do not think Pakistanis want that for themselves. From Indian POV, a sane person knows that Talibinized Pakistan is bad-bad-bad for India, also because all terrorists outfits will merge and create more trouble for India.Good that you appreciate the consequences of Talibinization.@Not all Pakistanis are religious fanatics.—-True.@ The current Pakistani mindset is like the Indian’s. When I say Pakistan is like India,I mean what happened when BJP came to power? Everyone were crying foul and saying pessimistic things that India was drowning towards Hindutva..Did BJP wage a war with Pakistan deliberately? Did they tamper with the Indian constitution?–There is such a a strong misperception about BJP. BJP is a political party and its goal is not guided by religious ideology. Also, it is not so easy to move things around in India using guns bec. there is a working system in place. A party needs an absolute majority to change anything and there is a system of checks and balances. Tampering with constitution is not childs play. Your serious politicians also know the political system in India, if you visit youtube.@You may ask why Pakistanis don’t protest against terrorism. I don’t know but that may lead to another question-How many Indian civilians have protested against Maoism?–I know that Maoism and Talibans are compared by Pakistanis. Maos in India are not spreading like jungle fire like Talibans. Indian security is dealing with it.

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Rajeev and Keith,I think there is some misunderstanding here . I didn’t compare BJP and Taliban. I mean just as BJP wanted peace after they came to power,we Muslims are also like you-we want peace and not Taliban. Just as BJP is misunderstood here as supporters of extremism,we are also misunderstood in India as religious fanatics who support Taliban. That is complete rubbish. We will not allow Taliban to flourish in the mainland.

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pk,Nobody suggesting that Pakistani Punjabi are inviting the Taliban in for tea. However, it’s for the rest of the world to feel confident when the Taliban take a district every month. At this rate, in six months all of FATA and NWFP will be no go zones.As a westerner, I don’t see how the comparison with India is apt. I am more concerned that your government has just caved and handed over one eighth of Pakistan to the extremists. Sure you won’t hand over Punjab but it doesn’t raise anybody’s confidence and faith in you when you have virtually handed over the NWFP without much of a fight.You may not be worried about it since it’s not the heartland. But the rest of the world sure is. We are the one who have to worry about new training camps that’ll be popping in NWFP that’ll churn out more suicide bombers targeting troops in Afghanistan, commuters on the subway, etc.

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pk,The rest of the world is rightfully concerned. Sure, you say you won’t hand over the heartland, but what about the one eighth of Pakistan you have already handed over. We are worried about Al Qaeda setting up shop in Swat or the Taiban doubling the number of recruits they get to use against NATO in Afghanistan. Just because the Taliban aren’t in Punjab that does not mean it’s not a problem. Just remember, before they come for us, they are going to be coming for you. There will many more bombings in Punjab as the Talibs grow stronger, before they start exporting more of their mayhem elsewhere.

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@KeithThe “Rest of the World” still can’t wipeout terrorists from Afghanistan after 8 years of trying, and the same situation in Iraq. So mind your own business please.

Aamir the asinine Ali writes: “The “Rest of the World” still can’t wipeout terrorists from Afghanistan after 8 years of trying, and the same situation in Iraq. So mind your own business please.”The rest of the world did not work on Afghanistan. Only the US and its allies did. Interestingly your country is the first ally in this effort and it betrayed the Americans by accommodating all criminals who destroyed Afghanistan and protected them. America respected your sovereignty and did not go after them. And they were ruled by an idiot for 8 years who suddenly went after Iraq instead of focusing on Afghanistan. You know all this. Yet you talk like an idiot. Had the Americans wanted, they could have finished off the whole Islamic insurgency in one swoop before 2004. They have learned now that Pakistanis are not to be trusted anymore. So be patient. They will come in and work you guys out as well. They will have to rebuild two nations after that – Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the case of the latter, India’s help will be needed. So we will be there to take care of you guys. We prefer small nations rather than one radicalized Islamic nation next to us. Bangladesh was a good start. So wait patiently. We will do good for you.

this is not pakistans war. it is a danger to India also. The control by Taliban will ensure lawlessness & the principle of might is right. Not only will it endanger the region, but the world. It is high time that the leaders of both countries fight a joint effort. The US is also not blameless. Taaliban has been supported by them during their infancy and today it has become a monster threatening the entire developing world.It is against progress & all that we believe in. India is not a threat to Pakistan. Pakistan is a buffer & the target is India.

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Dear all,The letter by the Colonel has to be taken in the right spirit. It talks a lot of hidden agendas/surmises/plots that needs to be understood analysed and probed. Only an intelligent man/woman can decipher whats written in the letter. In a common mans terminology it simply says to pak army, whats going on in ur backyard, either ur aware of it and deliberaltely see the other way or u force must be the dumbest in the world. Also its also riducles that when u cant take charge of the taliban how can u expect to win a war with India????? Any answers???

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@MauryanDrop the Indian habit of including insults in everything and try to make a point without them.It is not Pakistan’s fault that America elected an idiot twice, and that US/NATO have achieved very little in Afghanistan in 8 years. If you look at Iraq/Palestine the situation is equally abysmal. Hence the “World” should mind its own business with regards to Pakistan.The letter by the Indian colonel was trash and treated as trash by Pakistani readers. The newspaper later apologized for publishing it.

Aamir,The only reason that the NATO and US forces are struggling in Afghanistan is because the sanctuaries of the insurgents we face are in Pakistan. No insurgency has ever been won without taking out the sanctuaries of the insurgents. Sooner or later the world will have to find a way to deal with this conundrum. That’s why we now talk about an AfPak problem. Go to any diplomatic or intelligence agency in the west. You will find that the Afghanistan and Pakistan files are now always grouped together.As for us minding our own business…we would if you would stop harbouring insurgent who are fighting our troops in our country we are trying to stabilize. We would also not be overly concerned if you had a better grasp of the security situation in your country. When insurgents start getting with a 100 miles of nuclear weapons and your army appears not to be too interested in engaging them it becomes a global concern, especially since they could end up in New York or Paris or Toronto or London or Mumbai. When your problems give us sleepless nights that’s when it becomes our business. Fix your problems and we’ll butt out.After all, what would Pakistanis be saying if Hindu extremists look set to overrun Indian military establishments with nuclear weapons? Would you be worried then if the world was showing concern? Or what about some Christian fundamentalists who looked they were going to get a hold of nuclear weapons to use on Islamic countries? Wouldn’t you be worried about it? That’s the image the world has of Pakistan today. It’s up to you to convince us that you can control the insurgents and that the nukes are safe. Otherwise, it’s our problem.

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The letter was cheeky. But the gist of it was not off a base. I am fairly sure that Kayani has heard like minded sentiments from diplomats and generals from around the world.It’s unfortunate though that Pakistani’s responded with such bluster instead of taking the issues to heart and addressing them.

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Aamir the asinine Ali writes: “Drop the Indian habit of including insults in everything and try to make a point without them.”Ok. Please do the same for us. Stop comparing your country with ours. We consider it an insult. You do that and we will stop insulting you.”It is not Pakistan’s fault that America elected an idiot twice, and that US/NATO have achieved very little in Afghanistan in 8 years. If you look at Iraq/Palestine the situation is equally abysmal.”It is not the drunken driver’s fault if he ran his car over others and killed them. He was in his own world. America elected an idiot twice. But Pakistan exploited it thinking it was going to pay them huge dividends in the long run against you know who. When Bush was president, Musharraf quietly allowed Al Qaeda and Taliban to slip into Pakistan so that they could wait out for the departure of the Americans. Also Musharraf helped the elements regroup and stage attacks on the flimsy infrastructure in Afghanistan so that a nation cannot be built. Unfortunately, the idiot’s term ended and we now have a bright man as President. And he can zero in on who the culprit is. So as soon as he took over, he decided not to look at Afghanistan separately. He combined Pakistan with it. And your sour faces did not mind that so long as India was included in the insult club as well. But that did not work. The Taliban waited and nothing happened. The Americans are killing them with drones and the Paki army is unable to help. So it has begun to turn on the Paki army and the rest is in the newspapers. So do not play innocent victims. You guys were up to your neck in the whole thing. Without your involvement, Afghanistan would be on its way to progress.”Hence the “World” should mind its own business with regards to Pakistan.The “world” generally does not care much about South Asia. But unfortunately criminals attacked their cities from 2001 onwards. The “world” realized that all these troubles are emanating from a nuclear armed, radicalized Islamic nation, with its government, intelligence and military providing the logistics.”The letter by the Indian colonel was trash and treated as trash by Pakistani readers. The newspaper later apologized for publishing it.”You guys stop hating India first. We will reciprocate our friendliness. We have said repeatedly that we’d like to be left alone. So tell your establishment to stop organizing Mumbai style attacks, and stop wasting your money and emotions on Kashmir.

@@KeithThe “Rest of the World” still can’t wipeout terrorists from Afghanistan after 8 years of trying, and the same situation in Iraq. So mind your own business please.- Posted by Aamir AliAamir Ali: If the rest of world start minding their business, you will go hungry for the obvious reasons.

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Why we divide people in Muslim and rest of the world. And why Muslims are in state of denial for everything thats going on and want others to LEAVE THEM ALONE. This is our problem ….some people bringing whole civilization at their knees just to prove they are superior. I just want to say people should not Blame US or India for the virus that is spreading. Instead of passing judgement it should be working together and find the solution. Blaming america for this thing wont solve any purpose. Its their stand to enter at places they wanted(with consent of many of the countries included AF and pak).I dont want to offend anyone but my simple view is not pertaing to one single country…its the whole world which is at stake and terrorism is just one of the problem world is facing. I believe the ideaology with which some fanatics work should not be supported by anyone, by any religion…thats just bad antimatter prevailing.Think about working together…work as BROTHERS IN ARM NOT ENEMY WITH ARMS/WEAPONS