India launches Israeli-made satellite for eyes in the sky

April 20, 2009

India launched an Israeli-made spy satellite on Monday that will help it keep a close eye on its borders stretching from Pakistan in the west to China in the north and east.

The launch is significant for several reasons. First off, the all-weather advanced satellite that the Israelis themselves use for surveillance on nations such as Iran is an eye in the sky that Indian security planners have been demanding for long. India has its own sophisticated satellite imaging programme that gives pretty high resolution pictures, but, as a defence scientist once told me, they tended to go a bit blind in bad weather, especially during the monsoon.

The Israeli satellite is supposed to be an all-seeing all-weather platform that at a height of 550 kms lets you see things like a motorbike on the street. New Delhi apparently asked the Israelis to speed up the satellite after the Mumbai attacks in November when gunmen arrived on the shores of the country’s financial capital in boats.

The idea obviously would be to watch the borders, both land and sea on the west. But satellites such as these can also tell you about troop movements. Logically any big movement on the border with China would fall under its footprint.

Secondly, the launch underscores the tightening defence links between India and Israel, which, in the space of 17 years when India gave diplomatic recognition to Israel, stand transformed. Israel is India’s second biggest defence supplier, behind Russia which had long enjoyed a virtual monopoly.

For Israel, India is the biggest arms market.

Israel is also giving India the Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control System, a force multiplier seen as so strategic that the Americans leaned on Tel Aviv to abort a similar deal with China.

It is not just a one-way street. Last January, the Israelis wanted to launch their military satellite like the one that went up on Monday. They chose the Indians to launch it, in a show of confidence  in the Indian rocket. More significantly reports at the time said the Israeli satellite was meant for reconnaissance over Iran, causing irritation in Tehran which has had long standing ties with New Delhi.

But the ground has been shifting since the mid 1990s, especially after India’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party  took power and reached out to Israel, seeking its expertise in a range of areas especially high-tech capabilities to fight militants.

For years India, home to one of the world’s biggest Muslim populations, had shunned any public dealings with Israel, and stood firmly behind the Arab bloc in its long running dispute with the Jewish state.  But the BJP said India and Israel were natural allies and set about making up for the lost decades.

The Congress, which had traditionally followed a pro-Arab posture, continued the policy of deepening engagement with Israel when it took power five years ago and indeed has fast-tracked arms supplies from that country to meet the security challenges.

There also seems to be a great deal of public support for closer ties with Israel. A poll said to have been ordered by the Israeli Foreign Ministry found that Israel enjoyed the greatest support in India, ahead of the United States, Russians and Mexicans

[India launches Israeli-made satellite on Monday and file picture of protest in Kashmir against Israeli strikes in Gaza]

 

 

 
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Comments

Umair says to Keith:

“All Canadians are equal, Canada is known for its good things. Omar Khadr and Maher Arar cases damaged Canada’s reputation. Omar Khadr was forced by his parents, but what was his own fault. Why should Canada discriminate against any of its citizens?”

Umair, you backwards fool, Omar Khadr, is an adult now and still unrepentant for his previous ways, his mother, a Canadian citizen has berated Canada and said Canadians are rotten people, while she lives on welfare, paid by Canadian Taxpayers. Canada is not a safe haven for Islamic Terrorists, I think we should deport every Islamic Terrorist, or those associated with ourit, especially from the Mosques. Canada or any other western country don’t need terrorist scum in that beautiful, fair and secular democratic country. I don’t care what religion they are associated with. All western countries have to set forward a strict no tolerance policy towards those who dabble with Islamism and Radicalism, or any other forms of terrorism, whether they be Khalistani Sikhs or Hindu LTTE Tamil Tiger Sympathizers.

Be clear, that is not Islam, but Islamism. Islamism means those who would promote and advocate Islam through politically violent means. That is not discrimination my Paki friend, that is being responsible government towards the votership and maintaining safety and security for its citizens.

Umair you are a borderline Islamist with a one sided warped sense of entitlement for muslims first, it is quit clear and evident in all your talks. You only seek to promote and elevate Pakistan and don’t really care about getting to the root of issues and when you pretent to do so, you always warp the arguement in favor or Pakistani’s and you are therefore completely partial towards Pak Islamic Entitlement, all of your arguements.

You never care about the other religion or culture’s issues, or how much they have died or suffered, it is always how much muslims have suffered. Did you ever just think, that some muslims are reaping what they have sown? Everybody reaps what they sow, it does not matter what it is. This concept seems to evade your grey matter. India is successful because it has sown ideals to be such. United States was hated under Bush, because Bush has sown that. Pakistan is not liked today, because of what it has sown. Deal with it, quit making excuses and blaming others.

Just to let you know, nobody here really takes you seriously. Your education you are so proud of, lacks any sort of universal human fairness to it and is too slanted towards favoring muslims first. That is where you keep losing your arguement. For the record, I am for universal fairness for all peoples, regardless of their religion and have misgivings those countries who don’t preach that same, namely Pakistan.

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Pakistani Taliban withdraws from key valley

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/i dUSTRE53N1EM20090424

It was unclear whether the withdrawal was in response to a carrot or a stick, and worries abound over whether Pakistan lacks the capacity and intent to fight militancy.

Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani issued a statement aimed at dispelling those doubts and calming a mounting sense of crisis.

The army “will not allow the militants to dictate terms to the government or impose their way of life on the civil society of Pakistan,” the statement quoted Kayani as saying.

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@Umair,

I feel bad being so hard on you. It is not your fault entirely, the way you see the world, you are from a Shame Based Society. This is one of the reasons why honour is so important, it is used to protect one from shame. Many Asian, Middle Eastern, and African countries are shame-based countries and that includes Pakistan.

http://www.doceo.co.uk/background/shame_ guilt.htm

Shame based societies will goto any length to protect themselves from Shame. It can range from not admitting fault to changing to topic, to violent outbursts to full out ignoring the facts and saying that the facts are false and all accusations are baseless. Case in point, Ajmal Kasab, so much shame came upon the Pakistani establishment, when the facts came out.

In a shame-based culture, to admit failure looks bad on the honor of your family… so everything is kept secret, not discussed or violence is used to prevent shame on one’s family or country. Hence female honor killings and this is also the root of why the Pakistani establishment is reluctant to admit any fault of the Taliban and rising extremism in Pakistan. Shame based killings are quite common in Pakistan, as you know. It is shame that you feel, that the Pak Army has genocided 3.0 million human beings, so you never even engage that arguement with me, you just flip it to the Kashmir issue and I have seen this to be so common when arguements take place with some Muslims, especially Pakistani’s. Never admitting fault or shifting blame is a part of your culture, due to its Shame-Honour roots.

The down side of shame based societies, is the license that it appears to give to engage in secret wrong-doing, case in point, the ISI and Pak Army proxy wars against India and destablization of Afghanistan.

At the end of the day, Shame-Honour societies and their citizens usually don’t know how to say “sorry”, or “it was my fault”, or “I was wrong” as this is giving up one’s honour and submitting one to shame, which is unacceptable. Western countries are guilt based and not perfect either and have their problems as well. But guilt based societies, like most European countries have given rise to stable Democracratic, plural and secular societies, which tolerate other’s religions and view them as equal, at least constitutionally and legally speaking.

In my humble opionion, Islamism, mixed with Shame based culture are a deadly combination and it is difficult to rationalize on a level playing field with a person who possesses these two facets. Having said that, I have lots of friends who are muslims, who are quite rational and fair and some of them are Pakistani origin, but born in Western countries. Just think about it.

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umair and all the pakistanis …even if u get kashmir on a platter you wont stop insurgency agaisnt india…

they deserve whatever is happining in pakistan today.pakistan is the root cause for this.pakistan has been creating militant organ. like let and huji to target india.

After 26/11 i think pakistan should have been taught a lesson.but the indian govt was too soft and there was no decisive action,even today pakistan govt is not cooperating with the investigations and are giving excuses for their incompetence.

I thinks this diplomacy of a soft power state should not be persued by india..

In 1971 when india helped bangladesh to achieve freedom that brought peace for 30 years in the sub continent.

India should not interfere in pakistan’s internal matter now.. but yes if taliban takes over pakistan or even destablizes pak….india should involve with nato and clean the mess and divide pakistan in 3-4 parts with pak occupied kashmir in india..that will bring peace and all parties will be happy..

so the root of the problem is pakistan and the answer is balochistan,punjab and sindhistan .lets see if BJP comes to power and takes necessary and decisive action.Mannohan and shivraj patil have just done nothing accept neuclear deal and giving condolence after each and every terrorist attacks..

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Umair says:

“Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani issued a statement aimed at dispelling those doubts and calming a mounting sense of crisis.

The army “will not allow the militants to dictate terms to the government or impose their way of life on the civil society of Pakistan,” the statement quoted Kayani as saying.”

Most people in the world are now viewing the Pakistani Army as weak and think it is incapable of making decisions or protecting its citizens from the true dangers to Pakistan.

The question is, can Kayani prevent those platoons, which are loyal to Radical Islamists or Balochi’s or Sindhi’s, can he prevent them from going their own direction and disintegrating your country? Can the Punjabi platoons in your Pak Army have the guts to challenge the Talibanized Punjabi’s in Punjab, when they start rising in numbers? I doubt it, it is when the Punjabi Fauji’s won’t have the guts or heart to engage the future Punjabi Taliban, that Pakistan has truly fallen to pieces.

Right now, the Pak Army is only good for words, but always ready to engage tough words with India, its fictitious enemy.

The Taliban will continue to break their deals. You can count on it. Sharia is more important to them than keeping their word with Pakistan.

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Raging Bull says:

“umair and all the pakistanis …even if u get kashmir on a platter you wont stop insurgency agaisnt india…”

Raging Bull, you hit the nail on the head..the great driver I believe for Pakistan is to re-affirm Islam over the entire India, if Kashmir was a non issue, another fictitious “plight” of muslims would be artificially created to make an excuse to make inroads into Gujarat and the large portions of India, to encircle even Delhi. This was the sick and mental wish of Pakistani General Niazi, who surrendered to India in 1971. It is this sick mental religious entitlement which fuels hatred towards India, fuels its military machine and all of Pakistan’s politics. Pakistan does not care how it keeps scratching away land from India, whether it is by open war or proxy armies, any and all dirty tactics are good to annex ancestral Indian land.

In short, if Kashmir was not an issue, another “Kashmir” like issue would have been created to start hatreds and fuel wars with India, with absolute certainty.

This is religiously entitled political Islamism is the root cause of the wars with India and the root cause of the reason is Pakistan is coming apart.

Not in a billion years, will Indians ever pay the racist Jizyah tax for non-muslims ever again, living on the land of their own blood ancestors.

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No concessions to militants: Kayani

RAWALPINDI (updated on: April 24, 2009, 18:49 PST): The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Friday insisted the military was ready for the threat posed by Taliban insurgents, saying its decision not to deploy in a militant-infested area was tactical.

According to ISPR press release, addressing the participants the COAS stated that he was aware of the doubts being voiced about the intent as well as the capability of the army to defeat the militancy in the country. He made it clear that Pakistan Army never has and never will hesitate to sacrifice, whatever it may take, to ensure safety and wellbeing of people of Pakistan and country’s territorial integrity.

The COAS stated that operational pause, meant to give the reconciliatory forces a chance, must not be taken for a concession to the militants. He declared that army’s rank and file has resolve to fight to eliminate the militants, who endanger the lives of peaceful citizens of the country and challenge the writ of the state.

He reassured the people of Pakistan that with their support, army is determined to root out the menace of terrorism from the society. It will not allow the militants to dictate terms to the Government or impose their way of life on the civil society of Pakistan.

Kayani condemned pronouncements by outside powers raising doubts on the future of the country. A country of 170 M resilient people under a democratic dispensation, strongly supported by the army, is capable of handling any crisis that it may confront. He stated that the victory against the terror and militancy will be achieved at all cost.

The COAS praised the rank and file for continuing to fight under challenging and arduous conditions. Praying for the souls of Shaheeds of Armed forces, Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies and civilians, the COAS assured the bereaved families and the Nation that the debt of their sacred blood will be paid back by the Army, and safety of the people and the Country ensured at all costs.

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Raging Bull, just to add to the below, since this is the long term goal, this may be why the Pakistani establishment is not taking the Taliban threat seriously, as they have been making deals with them and tolerating them and any sort of military engagement with them is seen as a minor obstacle to their goals of War and conquest over much of India.

They even probably believe that the Taliban rising in numbers as being a strategic asset against India. They don’t care about how the world views them, they only care about their religiously politically entitled re-occupation of India, through any issue, hook or crook, terrorism or war, it does not matter, as long as the objective is achieved. They cannot conquer Afghanistan as the Punjabi’s figured that they cannot ever crush the Pathan’s. The Pathan’s are ungovernable and unconquerable, so they keep their eyes towards India and hope to exploit any and all weaknesses in India’s armour.

In my opinion, at their core, the Pakistani establishment use this goal of conquering India to guide all their actions. This fuels much money to go into the pockets of the Army and their family members.

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that’s right Global Watcher ,

today they cannot think of annexing india as they are trying to f#*k their own a##.

they even forget that people living in kashmir were mostly hindus who were later coverted and muslim rulers did that by force.they have a civilization of 2000 years old.

even most of the people in afghanistan and pakistan were buddhists and not all of them were invaders.

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OFFICIAL INTER SERVICES PUBLIC RELATIONS Press Release
ISPR- PAKISTAN ARMY G.H.Q RAWALPINDI

http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o= t-press_release&id=610

No 104/2009-ISPR Dated: April 24, 2009

Rawalpindi – April 24, 2009: The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani today chaired an operational meeting at the General Headquarters, Rawalpindi.
While addressing the participants the COAS stated that he was aware of the doubts being voiced about the intent as well as the capability of the Army to defeat the militancy in the Country. He made it clear that Pakistan Army never has and never will hesitate to sacrifice, whatever it may take, to ensure safety and wellbeing of people of Pakistan and Country’s territorial integrity.
The COAS stated that operational pause, meant to give the reconciliatory forces a chance, must not be taken for a concession to the militants. He declared that Army’s rank and file has resolve to fight to eliminate the militants, who endanger the lives of peaceful citizens of the Country and challenge the writ of the State. He reassured the people of Pakistan that with their support, Army is determined to root out the menace of terrorism from the society. It will not allow the militants to dictate terms to the Government or impose their way of life on the civil society of Pakistan.
He condemned pronouncements by outside powers raising doubts on the future of the Country. A Country of 170 M resilient people under a democratic dispensation, strongly supported by the Army, is capable of handling any crisis that it may confront. He stated that the victory against the terror and militancy will be achieved at all cost.
The COAS praised the rank and file for continuing to fight under challenging and arduous conditions. Praying for the souls of Shaheeds of Armed forces, Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies and civilians, the COAS assured the bereaved families and the Nation that the debt of their sacred blood will be paid back by the Army, and safety of the people and the Country ensured at all costs.

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@Umair,

The Army is all talk and the establishment will say almost anything to Western Media to keep some semblance of their image. The reality is quite different, the Pakistani establishment is good only for talk and not willing to engage the Taliban. These guys did not come this far to turn around. The miltary is not even challenging Muslim Khan and his mighty band of men and Haqqani. Why are these Taliban leaders still allowed to operate? You can bet, if this involved India, the entire nation would be in a state of high military alert and the entire Pakistan would be ready for war. You guys have not even as much as flinched as the Taliban inch closer to Islamabad.

Kayani can keep his empty promises and lies to himself, the western countries don’t believe a thing anymore that comes out of Pakistan.

Your words are hollow and lack any integrity or honesty.

Talk is cheap action is louder than words. Show me first, then talk.

I am curious to see how the U.S. will react when you are caught red handed betraying them.

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High-level meeting over Swat situation underway at Presidency
Updated at: 2217 PST, Friday, April 24, 2009
http://www.geo.tv/4-24-2009/40622.htm

ISLAMABAD: A high-level meeting to review Swat situation is in progress here at the Presidency on Friday.

President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani and Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayanai are present at the meeting.

The meeting will review Swat situation in particular and the overall situation in country in general, sources said.

Awami National Party Chief, Asfandyar Wali and Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi are also attending the meeting.

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Hillary Clinton on the great Nationalist hero of Pakistan, Mr. AQ Khan:

“With respect to A Q Khan, there’s no doubt he is probably the world’s greatest proliferator. The damage that he’s done around the world has been incalculable. It’s no secret that Pakistan has done very little, to reign in it’s rogue elements”

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Maybe Pakistan will respond to the RISAT:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/04/21  /4143279.htm

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Maybe Pakistan will respond to the RISAT:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/04/21   /4143279.htm
- Posted by Keith

Yeah, that should certainly be the top-most priority for them, right now!

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It is truly curious how the militant taliban in pakistan has recently turned around their stand and now said that they observe the validity of the Pakistani constitution.

It is becoming more clear than ever that the Pakistani establishment, if they are not fighting the Taliban are in fact using this crisis as a cover to embolden and raise a large army of Mujahideen to fight India and further destabilize Afghanistan and keep the US in a state of need where they would want Pakistan’s co-operation and help, IE billions of U.S. dollars. This would explain why Kayani and Pasha have chosen not to engage the Taliban. THey are quiet and playing a cloak and dagger game on the US and the world and intend to re-infuse Islamic Nationalism in Pakistan through the Taliban and use this movement to re-energize their destablization and future Mujahideen wars with India.

This is the only plausible reason I see for the Pak Army and ISI not engaging the Taliban, making peace with them and defying U.S. request.

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Maybe Pakistan will respond to the RISAT:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/04/21  /4143279.htm
- Posted by Keith

I wonder how many years Pakis have to eat grass or something else for “developing” Satellite technology this time.

Moreover why would they need RISAT, Indians are not infiltrating in Pak dirts.

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Keith wrote:
Maybe Pakistan will respond to the RISAT:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/04/21   /4143279.htm

If Pakistan assebles some brains and get down to the nitty and gritty, I am sure we are smart enough to launch one of our own spy satellite. Pakistan had a space research prograam since the 80s (SUPARCO), the appetite and expertise are there, the Institute of Space Technologies offers degrees in Aerospace, Communication Systems, Materials Science & Engineering etc. http://www.ist.edu.pk
Also Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO), the national space agency, was established in 1961 as a Committee and was granted the status of a Commission in 1981.

SUPARCO is mandated to conduct R&D in space science, space technology, and their peaceful applications in the country. It works towards developing indigenous capabilities in space technology and promoting space applications for socio-economic uplift of the country.
http://www.suparco.gov.pk
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SUPARCO acquires and archives satellite data from different earth resources satellites. The data products and related services are offered to different user agencies within and outside Pakistan.

SUPARCO’s Satellite Ground Station, located at Rawat near Islamabad, has an acquisition zone of approximately 2500 Km radius and covers Pakistan and 25 other countries, wholly or partially, in the South Asian, Central Asian and Western Asian/Middle East regions.

http://www.suparco.gov.pk/pages/acquisit ion-zone.asp?acqlinksid=2

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@The COAS stated that operational pause, meant to give the reconciliatory forces a chance, must not be taken for a concession to the militants”

–The synthesis of “Operational pause” reminded me of “costume malfunction” of Janet Jackson when she was singing/dancing with Justin Timberlake who during the show tore off a portion of her costume, resulting in Janet flashing a breast to over 90 million viewers on live TV during Super Bowl half-time. Operational pause is seen by lot more and hurt many.

Operational pause in reality is to delay as much as it could be. I really want to be proved wrong.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic leshow/4422951.cms

“This is an imaging satellite that can identify features on ground. There is nothing as a spy satellite. Though the satellite has a global coverage we will use it only for our use,” ISRO chief G Madhavan Nair told reporters at a post-launch press conference!!!”

“The satellite launched on Monday is actually RISAT-2 that was fast-tracked in the wake of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks in place of the RISAT-1 that ISRO is developing.”

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Umair

When it comes to AQ Khan…I can understand why he is a hero to Pakistanis. However, that does not mean the west is going to loathe him any less. He stole classified technology. What do you think that has done to the job prospects for Pakistani nationals in high technology in the West? Do you think companies like Urenco will hire another Pakistani again?

But stealing technology is not as bad as selling it to the enemies of your allies. On this front I don’t blame him, I blame the Army generals and the politicians who conspired to do this. This is something I guarantee you that the US and probably the rest of the West will never forgive Pakistan for. We wouldn’t have a North Korea problem today if it wasn’t for the AQ Khan network.

Umair. Tell me honestly, how would you react to a foreign national who stole secrets from say KRL and then sold it to India? Would you think that this individual did was honorable just because he wanted to better the lot of his country.

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I am curious though how the Paks will respond. The benefit in such a satellite accrues far more for India than Pakistan. I suppose Pakistan could use it in war time and to stop infiltration on the western border. But for India this satellite is critical to reducing infiltration into Kashmir and to help find militant training camps in Pakistan.

…of course, you also have to have good imagery analysts. The work is extremely difficult. And its really hard to train people for it…takes a bit of talent to do this. Anyone on here know if India has an imagery agency like the US NGA?

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Pakistan has uses for such satellites. These are the reasons.

1. Their “low self esteem” will be satisfied by achieving parity with India. It does not matter what India does. Pakistan has to do the same thing so that their lack of self-belief can be addressed.

2. They can watch NATO/US/Drone movements and alert their Islamic brothers who fight with low tech weapons unlike the Western soldiers.

3. They can pick and choose which convoys to blow up on their road to Kabul.

4. They can alert their brothers to run and hide when NATO and US forces are coming too close.

5. They can tell their holy warriors what festival or activity is going on and send them there to blow people up and cause maximum damage.

6. They can track all Indian Naval activities and alert drug and contraband smugglers of the ISI field commander Dawood Ibrahim about when to sneak them in.

And so on.

Pakistani scientists have already started eating grass to achieve this. Soon their patriotic diaspora will be trying to steal blue prints from labs across the world to smuggle back to home land. Then the Chinese will come in to help assemble it all.

Already Pakistanis are asking why India constantly wants to trouble them like this. Soon there will be embarrassing videos of donkeys chasing holy warriors filmed by the RISAT that the world will watch and laugh.

 

Keith
I understand the concerns in the west, but can you please tell me what alternatives did Pakistan have? How did it all started, India tested a nuclear device back in 1974, Pakistan had fought three devastating wars with India by that time. The people of South Asia were greatly deprived because of a nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan. Pakistan had to acquire the weapons by all means. I understand it was unethical by the AQ Khan network driven by financial gains. But you had the US Los Alomos lab scientist case too. You sometimes have Russian, Israeli and American spies doing some dirty spying work against their own country. Had Pakistan been given the proper nuclear weapons status and accepted by world powers in the nuclear club formally, I think there should have been much tighter controls in place to curb such activity. However, it is bygone now, Pakistan has apologized and the AQ Khan network has gone bust, the matter is closed from Pakistan’s side and no further investigation will take place against Dr. Khan.
On a personal note, around 2003, when I was in college Dr. Khan visited us as a guest speaker. I didnt have a very one on one interaction with him but still found him to be a humble and soft spoken man although a good six feet tall and well built physically. He lives in his house in Islamabad and is in good health, he was in Karachi recently to attend his deceased brother’s funeral.

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Strictly speaking pakistan is not in league of india and china

India is a developing nation which has invested a lot in setting up good private MNC’s which are in elite league to complete with global giants

I was recently doing a simple search on pakistan

1)Pakistan is unable to manufacture basic engineering goods e.g. Bike,Cycle,Heavy machine,Engine,Any kind of automobile,Turbines
2)Pakistan is over dependent on western aid which help them to import cheap goods from china
3)Pakistani Public and Private sector is in line with bangladesh

but how could pakistan produce missiles ?
1)90% assistance from china
2)other 10% from korea
3)Even defense industries have cloning ability
4)Pakistan is right at bottom in innovation index

To conclude:
Even with 100% chinese assistance of technology transfer which is not possible
,pakistan with 50 Mediocre PHD passing out /year ,can not expect to produce a launch vehicle
Pakistan economy is extra dependent on Western grants

Final Conclusion:
Pakistan should learn to be a good neighbor and stop competing with india which has Comparitively skilles labour and high skilled technology.it should first try to clean up the links of islamic terror and fight taliban

Some people are talking about pakistan producing Anti satellite weapons..I doubt they can produce it in even 100 years :)

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Umair writes: “The people of South Asia were greatly deprived because of a nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan. Pakistan had to acquire the weapons by all means.”

People in India did not feel deprived because of nuclear weapons development. We have enough to sustain many activities related to defense, welfare, education and economic progress. We know that Pakistanis ate grass to get the weapons by all means. So now you will eat the nukes too. Because you have nothing else.

 

Umair,

Saying that there are spies in another country does not make it right. When foreign spies are caught in the west they are prosecuted. You can bet if Khan ever leaves Pakistan he will be prosecuted.

Anyway, to some extent the west can understand why Khan did what he did. The US and its allies are more upset at the proliferation. What was the excuse for it? Really?

For Pakistan to really make amends they should have at least come clean and told the west which countries they proliferated to so that the west would know which countries are a threat. Instead, Pakistan swept it under the rug and said. ‘case closed’. That does not sound like the behaviour of a friend and ally. These actions almost indicate that Pakistan values its nuclear customer’s friendship more than the western countries providing it with aid.

To say that the matter is closed does nothing. Maybe it’s closed for Pakistan. Meanwhile, we in North America have to worry about North Korean missiles with the range to reach New York that could have nuclear warheads on them (provided by Pakistan).

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@Keith

The West sent chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein and nuclear weapons to Israel. Dr Khan’s activities, while wrong, were not a violation of international law.

Hence Pakistan did the right thing to investigate, then close the case.

 

The West sent chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein and nuclear weapons to Israel. Dr Khan’s activities, while wrong, were not a violation of international law.

Hence Pakistan did the right thing to investigate, then close the case.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

In the end the West ended up paying the price for their proliferation to Iraq. The US was worried enough about the consequences of Hussein’s activities that they kept a presence in Kuwait for a decade and then occupied the country. So this is not a policy that should be emulated.

Next, when the west did provide technologies they did so to allies (Saddam was an ally at the time). Are you now suggesting that North Korea is a better ally to Pakistan than the United States, Europe and Canada? If that’s the case, I strongly recommend that you advocate for your government to seek your bailouts from them instead of the IMF. Why is Pakistan begging at the FODP if Pakistanis like you consider us westerners not to be friends? Take your begging bowl to your proliferation clients Iran and North Korea. See how that works out for you. And don’t thinks its just the west that’s worried. China doesn’t seem particularly generous towards Pakistan these days.

Third, it may not be a crime under international law since Pakistan is not a signatory to the NPT, but theft of intellectual property particularly when it’s classified is a violation of national law. That would make Dr. Khan a criminal. If you have any doubts, give him a ticket to Europe. I would personally be willing to pay for a first class ticket for him to any European country if he was willing to go.

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Keith,

It’s quite obvious, why Pakistan doesn’t want anyone laying their hands on AQ Khan. Because once that happens, the two-faced nature of the Pakistani establishment will be out in the open. It sold nuclear technology to America’s (& the west’s) enemies, while acting as an ally, to get aid from them. It’s quite clear that Khan wasn’t acting on his own but rather, on the orders of the Pakistani Army & Government.

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Today’s Pakistan resembles a Mafia system that has a proper military, intelligence and a country at its disposal. The system bears all resemblance to a drug cartel in South America where drug barons dictate terms to everyone in the country. Mafia barons survive by double dealing. They befriend powerful people and manipulate them so that when they commit their crimes, most of their actions are either ignored or covered up. But Mafia dons never die a normal death. They die at the hands of each other or the police. India worries about Pakistan, the way city-folks worry about a crime-ridden neighborhood in their vicinity. I see no difference between a radicalized Pakistan and the gangsters of big cities, Aryan Nations, KKK etc which survive on ideology, hatred, misguided youth, violence etc. They belong to the prisons.

 

Mauryan said:

“Today’s Pakistan resembles a Mafia system that has a proper military, intelligence and a country at its disposal. The system bears all resemblance to a drug cartel in South America where drug barons dictate terms to everyone in the country. Mafia barons survive by double dealing. They befriend powerful people and manipulate them so that when they commit their crimes, most of their actions are either ignored or covered up. But Mafia dons never die a normal death. They die at the hands of each other or the police. India worries about Pakistan, the way city-folks worry about a crime-ridden neighborhood in their vicinity. I see no difference between a radicalized Pakistan and the gangsters of big cities, Aryan Nations, KKK etc which survive on ideology, hatred, misguided youth, violence etc. They belong to the prisons.”

Mauryan I agree with you, the Punjabi’s are the main Mafia family in Pakistan, then you got the Baloch, Sindh,etc. The drug war will be like the different Ethnic Battalions and Platoons, I forsee a possibility, that if Punjab becomes overrun and the Punjabi Army Crime Family of Pakistan politically loses to the Taliban, then I could see a “Mafia” war breaking out, where each Battalion of the Army is looking to protect their own Ethnic homeland first and loyalties will shift those regions as those ethnics who have had a bone to pick with the Punjabi Fauji’s, they will challenge the power of the Punjabi’s, this is one way how disintegration may happen from within, and take the form of a “Mafia” war, where there is a PA rebellion from within, like we saw in Bangladesh, just recently where junior officers murdered senior officers. That would be considered a high level hit at the mafia bosses themselves.

The Punjabi Fauji’s don’t give a rat’s axx about the average Pakistani, they only care to look after their own selfish business model, that being keeping India an enemy and making sure that enough Islamic and political propaganda in Pakistan keeps those people stupid enough to believe it and hopes that they will be willing to back any sort of future artificially created wars with India.

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GW,

Pakistan’s formation was done due to the selfish interests of dons like Jinnah. I am a firm believer in the law of karma. If you start with hatred and violence, you end with the same. Pakistan’s downfall had to come from within and it has. These fools are still looking at India as the enemy. India has paid for its bad karma by being enslaved by the Turks, Mughals, the British and the Nehru family. After 1991, India’s good karma has begun to take effect. That is why I want our country to be fair and not engage in any acts that will add negative karma. India should simply focus on progress while protecting itself with minimal effort and continue on. Pakistan’s collective karma has simply accumulated negativity. And it will end by itself. No matter how much one can try and no matter which community one belongs to, karma will always affect. No one is an exception to it.

 

@Keith
I understand the concerns in the west, but can you please tell me what alternatives did Pakistan have? How did it all started, India tested a nuclear device back in 1974.
-by Umair

Umair: I have told you earlier also about this. Nehru’s India was into NOn-Aligned movemnt/peacefulf co-existence, not into this some power play–he did not accept UN Permament membership and asked that to be given to China invading the neighbour in any way.

1962 Indo-China war changed all that. They backstabbed and not to go off the topic you Pakistan was mighty encouraged and invaded India in 1965 and Pakistan is still licking the wounds.
Remember this quote (wikipidpedia) and never ever forget when you bring India Pakistan and nuclear test into question:

“596 is the codename of the People’s Republic of China’s first nuclear weapons test, detonated on October 16, 1964 at the Lop Nur test site. It was a uranium-235 implosion fission device and had a yield of 22 kilotons. With the test, China became the fifth nuclear power.”

Chinese backstabbing and the above fact and then India had to do Pokhran and much later the nuclear test. India could have done anytime-Nehru was not into that and was into peaceful means of engagement. Little did he know that the neighbors are into “pieceful” not peaceful means.

That Pakistan followed India is just superficial. in reality Pakistan’s nuclear program dates back to the 1950s.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive
 

It is heartening to know india has now an eye in the sky . although indian officials deny it , the sat. is obviously for defense purposes . I anticipate the pakistanis will try and pull off another spectacular attack on india in the near future , the 40 odd terrorista who were killed recently might have been sent for the same objective (or were here to disrupt elections).I think it is not pragmatic to expect pakistanis to act against these jihadi elements . we should strengthen our own defenses and crush the pawns they send here . Also we should wait for and support the voices of dessent in pakistan to grow . lasting peace in india can be achieved by letting [actively causing] pakistan crumble and let the different states loose on one another . they deserve it .
pakistan already has lost bangladesh , and is on the brink of bankruptcy and large parts of its territory are lawless . If even now pakistanis have not learnt their lesson then they probably never will . and hoping that they will is just being naieve

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also i dont know if indians are helping the balochs in their struggle , if if they are , its superb .

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Because Indians have sent RISAT, Pakistan also has to send one; even if it may not be necessary. Had Indians tied a monkey from the deepest jungles of Africa to that satellite, Pakistan will follow suit. Pakistan has no choice because it’s matter of balance(?) of power and national pride.

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Pakistan’s collective karma has simply accumulated negativity. And it will end by itself. No matter how much one can try and no matter which community one belongs to, karma will always affect. No one is an exception to it.
- Posted by Mauryan

I agree with this concept. No one is above Karma, individual or nation. No nation is perfect & every country has both good & bad karma but it seems, Pakistan as a nation, has accumulated too much of the bad karma & too little of the good. So, it has to pay the price for it’s sins.

Bad Karma can be diminished or absolved, as long as a person or nation, admits it’s sins, asks for genuine forgiveness & repents. But from what I see, Pakistan as a nation, is not willing to even admit any of it’s sins (be it the genocide of 3 million bengalis or the massacring of countless Indian civilians via terrorism), let alone ask for forgiveness or repent. Unless the Pakistani nation admits & repents for it’s sins, I’m afraid, much worse is yet to come, for it.

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@also i dont know if indians are helping the balochs in their struggle , if if they are , its superb.
- Posted by Gill

-Gill: India has done in the past and shut down these RAw missions on moral grounds way back in mid 1990s once Punjab militancy was eradicated.
US yesterday confirmed that there ar no proofs India is helping anti-Pakistan elements and also told Pakistan to focus inside on Taliban et al.

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