Comments on: The Pakistan Army and civilian democracy http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17476 Mon, 04 May 2009 01:40:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17476 Wadosy,

You are wasting everyone’s time. From your English I can make out you are an immigrant from somewhere else. So though technically an American, in your heart you are someone else, in terms of your national loyalty.

We are dealing with Pakistan-India issues here. This is not a place for Israel bashing. Please find the appropriate site and flood that forum.

Israel may or may not be doing all that you are claiming. But right now, India will take whatever help it gets to fight terrorism. India is also highly respected in the Muslim countries, excepting for Pakistan. So India’s alliance with Israel is only for countering terrorist threat from Pakistan. Tomorrow this relationship can change. It is geo-politics. But Israel is far removed from India. Our countries see a common threat of Islamic terrorism. So we are working together. As far their values, we do not have much to say.

Can you please go somewhere else now? Thanks

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17445 Sun, 03 May 2009 14:36:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17445 Problems pasting the clickable link

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic leshow/4239397.cms

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17444 Sun, 03 May 2009 14:35:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17444 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic leshow/4239397.cms

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17443 Sun, 03 May 2009 14:35:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17443 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/metr opolitan/12-pakistan-rejects-indian-stat ement-on-sikhs–bi-10

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17442 Sun, 03 May 2009 14:34:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17442 http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/metr opolitan/12-pakistan-rejects-indian-stat ement-on-sikhs–bi-10

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17441 Sun, 03 May 2009 14:33:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17441 Azad

The link was for someother news. But I used the quotes to dig the link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic leshow/4239397.cms

Getting pretty bad there for the minorities with Taliban regime. The Sikh families house demolished since they could not give some more than 1crore Rs to taliban for protection. That’s huge money. Pakistan says do not interfere–Sikhs are Pakistan citizens.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/metr opolitan/12-pakistan-rejects-indian-stat ement-on-sikhs–bi-10
Well then Pakistan must be given a back handed slap next time they say word about anything on minorities in India—including Muslims whom the Government of India helping for the Haj pilgrims.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17373 Sat, 02 May 2009 04:51:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17373 AzadDP writes: “That was a BJP poll promise, loud and clear,since the existing data up until then was nt adequate for deployment.”

Azad,

I do not have the articles for reference with me. It has been a while. India has an enviable super computer set up. In super computer circles, the Indian system is well respected. Long ago I have seen an article in the Scientific American or a similar journal that I do not remember exactly, where there was an article about nuclear arms proliferation. In that there was a mention about India’s nuclear bomb advancement by means of computer simulations to optimize the yield with smaller weapons. This is something only an exclusive club of countries were capable. The Americans have pretty much eliminated the need to actual testing. Their super computer simulations have helped optimize the nukes for different types of payloads. India has advanced quite a bit in this arena along with a few others. In essence, India had the capability to make those bombs without any data using actual tests.

And the BJP did not use the above reason for its election manifesto – “We will explode nukes so that we can get vital data.” It was not a smart decision as I see it. It was not going to solve our problems.

Though they have mellowed down in their rhetoric due to the experience in governing the nation, their nuclear demonstration ambition exposed their inexperience. India exploded the first ones in 1974. But that was the first time ever for India and we did not have advanced computer technology in those days. It was obvious that they (the BJP) were itching to explode the nukes once they came to power. And it proved nothing at the end. We need a leadership today that is not emotional. We are treading through troubled waters now. Therefore I am a bit concerned about who will come to rule India.

I would like India to focus more on missile technology, delivery systems, smart weapons, better reconnaissance systems etc. With crime becoming hitech, it is important to stay ahead of it. Our nuclear capability is accepted and respected. We must have better missile designs. We also need to work on making our own fighter jets. They will bring good money as a business.

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By: Azad http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17372 Sat, 02 May 2009 02:40:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17372 Mauryan,

BJP initiated the explosions just to thump their chests………

what makes you say that. First and only set of test was done in 74, then in 98. The scientists needed the confirmation of data before deplying them.

That was a BJP poll promise, loud and clear,since the existing data up until then was nt adequate for deployment.

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By: Azad http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17371 Sat, 02 May 2009 02:26:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17371 Rajeev,

Taliban terror forces Hindus to flee Pakistan:
Their forefathers made a choice 60 years ago and stayed back in Peshawar despite Partition. And today their unhappy descendants — a group of Hindu families — have been forced to flee by the rising influence of the fundamentalist Taliban. See popup
“I think our forefathers committed a mistake by staying back in Peshawar during Partition and we are now correcting this mistake so that our coming generations will not suffer what we faced in Pakistan,” said Vijay Kumar from Peshawar in Pakistan
But Narain is not bitter about it, only practical. “When law-enforcement agencies are feeling helpless, how can a common man feel secure? We are not blaming the government, but it’s just that terrorists are calling the shots now.”
They are seeking Indian citizenship.
http://publication.samachar.com/pub_arti cle.php?id=3801606&navname=General&moreu rl=http://publication.samachar.com/hindu stantimes/general/hindustantimes.php&hom eurl=http://www.samachar.com/mostread.ph p&nextids=3801157|3801604|3801606|380160 5|3802959&nextIndex=3Pak.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/04/28/the-pakistan-army-and-civilian-democracy/comment-page-2/#comment-17370 Sat, 02 May 2009 00:54:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2513#comment-17370 Rajeev writes: “In a way it was good that India tested the NUKES to declare the Indian deterrant since from the era of Nuclear prolifeartion and smuggling, it was known that pakistan is also on the course. It was expected and Pakistan showed that indeed they have it. It is out and clear–better than Pakistan having hidden NUKES and using them.”

There was enough intelligence available about Pakistan’s nuclear capability. Israel has them too. But it has not been emotional like us. BJP initiated the explosions just to thump their chests. Pakistan does everything India does in order to satisfy their low self esteem. This resulted in economic sanctions which delayed progress for India. Leaders should think of the consequences before they make decisions. BJP’s nuke show off was emotional rather than rational. It was not needed. India had done multiple computer simulations of explosions and there was no need like the old days to explode the bombs to collect data. They wasted money and put India in the same league with a country like Pakistan. It has taken more than a decade to undo all the self inflicted damage. We know our capabilities. There was no need to show off. Pakistan’s nuclear capability was known already. Now BJP is not looked at with respect in international circles. Image really matters. BJP can boost Indian pride by engaging itself in progress. They did well otherwise during their tenure in power. I just did not like their nuke stunts.

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