Comments on: India: should it take a gamble on Pakistan? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18685 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:34:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18685 Umair,

You would not have asked for moral courage from Sanjiv if you knew the turn of events that went from 1947 through 1971 in East Pakistan, aka Banladesh. It’s a pity that your knowledge is limited to what is written on the blogs and what is printed in irresponsible Pakistan media.

Besides, how is Bangladesh related to solving the border dispute in Kashmir?

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18684 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:32:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18684 @“Secondly, all this accusation of Pakistan sponsoring terrorism and harboring terrorist infrastructure is just YOUR BS propaganda Sanjeev.”
-posted by Umair

So Umair, you like “Myra” so much who pretends play siding with Pakistanis and any neutral view point by “Sanjeev” is unpalatable to you. Hypocrisy!

Also in all these posts now you are commenting like a Kayani or Pasha, while on “is LeT a terrorist group?” you said you are not a defense minister of Pakistan.

Sanjeev: If you notice, the discussion was going on the track untill Umair posted a train of messages.

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By: Mauryan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18683 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:25:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18683 Umair writes: “I am still waiting if you have the moral courage to admit India did mess up a little in 1971 by intervening in East Pakistan political crisis.”

Umair,

Even without India’s interference, Bangladesh would have happened. Just like now, Pakistani military ran out of options. Bengalis completely turned against their West Pakistani brothers. Your military, in order to deflect an internal strife, would have attacked India anyway and India would have retaliated.

Pakistanis have no moral right to question India’s moral right in East Pakistan. Right from 1948, Pakistan has been intruding into Indian territory using proxy elements and trying to disrupt normalcy. So Pakistan was already doing to India, what India decided to do to Pakistan. And I support India’s tactical move in East Pakistan. If we had not done that in 1971, by now Pakistan would have staged operations from East Pakistan and with China’s help, dismembered North Eastern India. This is what we saw coming. So we had to act pre-emptively, when the opportunity presented itself.

And I believe now, based on your comments and the general comments and articles that I read in some of Pakistani magazines like Pak Tribune, from an Indian stand point, Pakistan is better off split into smaller nations. Your military has damaged your country and your minds tremendously. And there is only one possible course for this attitude that you and similar Pakistanis exhibit. But this is not an immediate thing to worry about. If Pakistan did things right from here on, there is a chance to recover and become a healthy nation. But the choice is yours. If you still believe in engaging India ad infinitum, your fragile economy will collapse. Without money, it would be hard to control the internal strife. Your country is being watched by every power in the world carefully now.

At least, as people, try to become responsible. Only then your military’s attitude and control can be changed for the good. Otherwise, no matter how much you list your military’s arsenal, they might have to nuke their own people if things get out of control. The enemy is within and not outside. And anyone can capitalize on your situation. And do not think the US will not.

Keith, may be you can tell now how India is supposed to trust the Pakistani establishment and reduce its troops in Kashmir. You can see how Pakistani pride has turned into intractable hate towards India. It should not be surprising to see our reaction. But it is not hatred for sure.

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By: Umair http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18682 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:25:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18682 Sanjeev Miglani
“The wounds from the 26/11 attack on Mumbai for which the Pakistan-based group Lashkar-e-Taiba has been held responsible, remain fresh for a large number of Indians. They are not in a mood to forgive or forget.”

-The wounds from 1971 war on East Pakistan for which Indira Gandhi has been held responsible, remain fresh for a large number of Pakistanis. They, too, are not in a mood to forgive or forget. :)

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By: Umair http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18681 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:20:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18681 Global watcher:
“It seems the truth hurts and you would rather avoid it and hurl insults at Sanjeev.”

I dont think i hurled insults at Sanjeev Miglani, all I am stating is Sanjeev Miglani should not show bias. Why does he seem to be so insensitive to Pakistanis. He mentioned Mumbai 26/11 attacks and that Indians are not in good mood. I am only telling Sanjeev Miglani to understand there is bad blood between the two countries. India also did things in the past that makes us hate India.

Let it be a challenge to Sanjeev, just state one line which should be something similar to :”yes, India also is responsible for behavior in the past that made Pakistanis distrustful of India”.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18679 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:16:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18679 for umair and other pakistani friends.
Read this on 1971 India-Pak war.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/l ibrary/report/1984/KRG.htm

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18678 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:14:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18678 Umair,

Pakistan is unrepentant for the Bengali holocaust and so are you.

Please just go away. You have no righteous or moral claim of any kind.

Spend your energies taking advice from the west and india on how to fight militants.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18676 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:11:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18676 Umair,

It seems the truth hurts and you would rather avoid it and hurl insults at Sanjeev.

Please leave the blogs, you shame Pakistan by being here.

If you looked at the pictures of Pakistani genocide and have any shred of humanity, you would quit making India the antagonist all the time.

Look at the pictures and see what your precious Fauji’s did to unarmed innocent civilians.

Let those images burn into your occipital lobe. Pakistani’s don’t probably even know about it. The world does and we will never forget.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18675 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:09:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18675 Umair says:

“Sanjeev Miglani

I am still waiting if you have the moral courage to admit India did mess up a little in 1971 by intervening in East Pakistan political crisis.
– Posted by Umair ”

In 1971, India did the right thing by opening its borders up to Bengali refugees who were being genocided at the hands of West Pakistan, 3 MILLION, in fact. They were fleeing persecution and death from Pakistan, hindus and muslims alike.

India did the moral thing in 1971 by engaging Pakistan and saving millions of more hindus and muslims from further genocide by the Pakistani Army, who engaged in systematic elimination of Teachers, Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers and any educated people and in fact they were murdered at point blank and shot in the head, murdered in cold blood. See link:

http://www.gendercide.org/case_banglades h.html

Pakistan is unrepentant of its past and will continue to repeat its mistakes by starting wars on others.

Everybody should commemorate 1971 as the “Bengali Holocaust” and Bengali Liberation from the then West Pakistani Tyrants.

1971 – Three Million Humans Genocided by Pakistan

End of story. Let history be the true judge.

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By: Umair http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/05/29/india-should-it-take-a-gamble-on-pakistan/comment-page-2/#comment-18674 Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2818#comment-18674 Sanjeev Miglani

I am still waiting if you have the moral courage to admit India did mess up a little in 1971 by intervening in East Pakistan political crisis.

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