Comments on: When India and Pakistan shake hands http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Raj http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19278 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:00:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19278 If any one was wondering what one means by “using terrorism as an instrument of state policy”, Riaz Haq has clarified it for every one.

Jammu Kashmir state will remain an integra part of India. We’ll discuss with those living in the state within the frame work of Indian constituition. There is no need to discuss Kashmir with Punjabi terrorists.

If this is not satisfacotry to you and if you threaten you will sponsor more terrorism. We have bad news for you. We’ll make you pay for it..You are already paying a dear price.

On a side note did you address the “root cause of terror” in Swat valley? LOL!!

Today’s issue of Daily Times has an editorial on South Punjab turning into next Swat valley. Try addressing the root causes of terror in South Punjab.

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By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19270 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:24:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19270 Myra,

I’d like to suggest a great book published on jihad in Kashmir. It’s written by a Pakistani scholar, Arif Jamal, who has interviewed thousands of mujahadins over the years. It shows how Pakistan, since 1947, has been using jihad as a state policy in Jammu and Kashmir. It’s an eye-opener and a must read for journalists and policy makers alike.

Here is the link to amazon:

http://www.amazon.ca/Shadow-War-Untold-S tory-Kashmir/dp/193363359X

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19264 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:33:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19264 @Unless New Delhi seriously engages in political dialog with Pakistanis and Kashmiris to resolve the underlying causes of terror, the groups such as LeT will continue to cause havoc and they’ll try and precipitate a full-scale war between India and Pakistan that could be a big disaster for both and lead to many unforeseen negative consequences for the region and the world.
– Posted by Riaz Haq

Riaz Haq:

The above should read as:
“Unless New Delhi seriously engages in political dialog with Pakistanis and Kashmiris to resolve the underlying causes of terror, the groups such as LeT, SPONSORED BY PAKISTANI ARMY ISI/ARMY BY SIPHONING OFF THE FINANCIAL AID GIVEN BY THE WORLD FOR CIVIL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND ANTI-TERROR ACTIVITY INTO BUILDING MILITARY INFRASTRUCTURE AIMED AT INDIA AND PRO-TERROR ACTOVITIES AIMED AT INDIA, will continue to cause havoc and they’ll try and precipitate a full-scale war between India and Pakistan that could be a big disaster for both and lead to many unforeseen negative consequences for the region and the world.

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By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19263 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:41:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19263 Riaz Haq,

First, no one disputes, including India, that the Kashmir dispute has to be resolved through dialog. The difference lies in how the dispute will be resolved, how the control of the kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir will be shared and how many local political players will be involved in the talks.

Second, the LeT is not a Kashmiri movement. With Pakistanis, Arabs and Afghans in its cadre, the LeT was created by the murky Pak security establishment. LeT is based in Pakistan and continues to enjoy state support. There is little India can do if Pak runs with the hare and hunts with the hound. Unless such groups are not diluted, talks between India and Pak will continue to derail and mistrust will prevail.

Third, history has shown that Pakistan takes action against militants when it’s either sedated with billions of dollars in foreign aid or threatened to be taken back to Stone Age. Or, may be both! India, unlike the US, does not have the luxury to convince Pak with either of these tools of persuasion. India hopes that sanity will prevail among those who occupy the chairs of power in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.

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By: Riaz Haq http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19253 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:28:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19253 The Obama administration has wisely realized that war on terror and US response as defined by Bush-Cheney is futile and the underlying causes of terror have to be dealt with through political/economic track (80% of the effort) along with a smaller military component (20%) as outlined by Patraeus. There are reports of dialog between Americans and the Taliban in Afghanistan, along with increase in economic/reconstruction aid on both sides of Pak-Afghan border.

But Indians are still stuck in the past and still continue to harp on the war on terror without paying much attention to dealing with the underlying cause of Kashmiri freedom that fuels anger and resentment against India.

That’s where India’s institutional inertia comes in. Unless New Delhi seriously engages in political dialog with Pakistanis and Kashmiris to resolve the underlying causes of terror, the groups such as LeT will continue to cause havoc and they’ll try and precipitate a full-scale war between India and Pakistan that could be a big disaster for both and lead to many unforeseen negative consequences for the region and the world.

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By: Nikhil http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19214 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:10:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19214 Riaz Haq,

I wonder what inertia, in your words, does India display? In 1999, India kick-started the Indo-Pak peace process which is going on and off for last decade. Each time, some progress is made, the terror groups based in Pakistan scuttle it by attacking India. Remember Kargil, Indian Parliament attacks, and the recent Mumbai attacks?

The Pak elite and Pak military are responsible for the risk of destruction in the sub-continent. Unlike Pakistan’s strategy, India’s strategy in Kashmir is risk averse and devoid of military inputs. Pakistan has war-gamed many scenarios in Kashmir – including terrorism – has experimented with some, and has failed in every single attempt.

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By: Bullet http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19185 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:18:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19185 Pakistan has used terrorism backed with nuclear deterrence to leverage on India and to intimidate India. Neutral observers have noted that this Pakistani strategy has miserably failed.

India has grown stronger economically, and from a diplomatic, military standpoint. Besides the strategy has backfired on Pakistan since the country is unravelling internally.

Some in Pakistan still hope to use terrorism to influence India. And think this threat will still influence India’s conduct. These people are still living in fool’s paradise indeed.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19183 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:27:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19183 Umair: I will be damn surprised and unhappy if RAW agents are absent in Afghanistan. They will be there for defense purposes to gather intelligence before ISI targets Indian embassy in Kabul. RAW was in Pak when ISI was targeting Punjab. That phase is over. Similarly ISI is all over in Bangladesh, SL and India. You don’t need embassies to field spies. But there is no evidence for the RAW’s disruptive activity in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Your inside information about evidence against India is useless in the absence of a single link—Now do not give me ISPR website—give some 3rd party evidence. Paranoia has no cure.

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By: Riaz Haq http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19178 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:14:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19178 Until there is sustained engagement leading to a resolution of Kashmir issue to the satisfaction of all parties, it can be predicted there will be more attacks like the Mumbai and parliament attacks, even if Pakistan government tries to crush LeT and other Kashmiri support groups in Pakistan. Radicalization will intensify on both sides of the border, making a nuclear confrontation a real possibility. As Stephen Cohen recently said, “Not a few Indian generals and strategists have told me that if only America would strip Pakistan of its nuclear weapons then the Indian army could destroy the Pakistan army and the whole thing would be over. This of course is both silly and dangerous—and could lead to a catastrophic misjudgment when the fifth India-Pakistan crisis does come. We were close to one last year, I have no doubt that the people who tried to trigger a new India-Pakistan war will try again.”

I hope the “New Delhi’s institutional inertia against Kashmir talks” as Japanese journalist/analyst Yoichi Shimatsu puts it will not lead to mutually assured destruction in the Subcontinent.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/16/when-india-and-pakistan-shake-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-19172 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:29:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2951#comment-19172 @Umair
“The root cause of the problem lies elsewhere, the world has a greater collective responsibility to eradicate terrorism. For Pakistan, it is ensuring terrorists dont get a foothold in the country and that Pakistani soil is not used for terror attacks against any other country,individual or group.”
-Yes TTP is Pakistan’s tool against India and now Pak’s enemy as we speak. Per se TTP did not attack India but India recognizes them terrorists even before you did that, but reverse is not true. India’s worry is LeT and its splinter groups, and JeM and HuM. Pakistan right now is not interested to call them terrorists. Read Myra’s analysis that I posted. So calling India and Pakistan have common terroists is the “presidential” way to put it and let us leave it to them. Us bloggers should spaek our mind and last time I asked you, you did not recognize LeT as terrorist. So where is the common enemy here? BTw, it is time to cut this “non-state actors” crap. whom are we deceiving?

@Last but not the least Rajeev, the idea is for both India and Pakistan to find common objectives. Unless there are common objectives to work together, there will always be competing interests. Both countries will continue to get into each others way, hindering each other’s progress.”

-India and China are successfully partnering in economing growth, despite the existing disputes. So why not Pakistan?

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