Comments on: Pakistan and India; breaking the logjam http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19325 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:06:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19325 I often heard from Pakistanis this notion that Kashmir is the root cause of all problems in South Asia. Apparently if this is solved then South Asia will be heaven on Earth (forgetting of course that South Asia includes far more than India and Pakistan).I always shake my head when I hear this argument. Most Pakistanis of course will conveniently leave out the caveat that when they say the want Kashmir to be ‘solved’ they mean that India should simply hand over all of Jammu and Kashmir (or at minimum at least the Kashmir valley). Somehow, what Pakistanis don’t seem to realize that if India is divisible then so is Pakistan. Surely if Pakistan has such legitimate claims on Indian territory because of some religious ties then Afghanistan’s claims on all the Pashtun areas of Pakistan is just as (if not more) legitimate because of their ethnic ties. As it is the boundary is not recognized by Pashtuns on both sides (just like the Kashmiris and the LOC). Should Kashmir ever be solved to the liking of Pakistanis, then the legitimacy of the Durand line (just as artificial a boundary as the LOC) would automatically be called into question. Afghanistan would then have every right to follow Pakistani precedent and offer ‘moral’ support for their brethren (Pashtun freedom fighters) battling for freedom from the dominion of Islamabad. As the saying goes, “Be careful what you wish for…”

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By: Rohit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19306 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:52:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19306 It is not about Pakistan and India breaking the logjam. It is US BROKERING THE PAKISTAN AND INDIA LOGJAM. Both nation’s sissy leaders are crawling under might of US.US has already destroyed, depleted and sent Iraq into abyss. It will soon send AfPak to same depths.Next on radar would be Iran and N Korea.

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By: Akhil Singh http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19261 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:13:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19261 How can the Congress government start dialogues with murderers of innocent people in Mumbai? USA wants us to talk to USA well here is a thought why did she did not talk to Taliban after they hit their twin towers? Clearly we are out of US calculations in Afghan-Pak strategy and we seriously need to do a reappraisal of our level of trust on America.

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By: chal chal http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19242 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:35:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19242 We will talk to Pakistan if1. US allows 100% free trade between India and US2. US gets India a permanant seat in the UN Security Council3. US “sells” us the latest arms and ammunition including robotics/space/internet/aeronoticsWell, if the whole world (including Pakistan) can make the fools of USA why should we the Indians be the only honest person. Like others, when our purpose is solved, we can always squirm out of our promises to US.

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By: Ahmed Mueller http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19239 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:09:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19239 To answer the question regarding “breaking the logjam”….Once India’s GDP get’s to about $5 trillion (around 2020), the U.S will start leaning towards the Indian side, when the GDP=$10 trillion (2030), the U.S. will agree almost 100% with the Indian side (about 2030). After about $20 trillion in GDP (2040) the West will be consulting India first before making policy on Pakistan.I expect the Logjam to slowly start clearing.

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By: anup http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19237 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:06:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19237 As the terrorist org. LET / JUD et al are secret extended arms of the pakistani army against India, similarly the pakistani army is a terrorists org. acting as a secret extended arm of the US & GB, so all in all, India is nowhere in the scheme of things, if there’s any piece to be cut, then it’ll have to be carved from the trunk of it’s strategic partner – pakistan.

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By: razi http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19235 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:08:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19235 well, US can initiate another ‘war’ keeping terrorism as front shield. Probably this won’t happen as US has bigger economic problems within itself. It has to convince China for this, and then it could allege them for terrorism! Obviously there is no big requirement of this neighbour for US. This may be a fantasy though, we have better exapmles of Afghanistan and Iraq.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19231 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:18:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19231 Myra,It is fine if the U.S. is asking or even bending India’s arm to bring peace with Pakistan.One has to realize that this is a two way street. India has every right to demand of the U.S. and Barack Obama, that the LeT, JuD, JeM and HuM be smashed and demolished forever and wiped out completely. India should also demand that before any peace talks are even considered that it put its money where its mouth is, that the U.S. especially secretary of State, Hillary Clinton demand that all Eastern side jihadi proxy armies be flattened out of existence and all leaders, at least 5 levels down arrested and jailed.If the U.S., Obama and Clinton are serious, they should talk to Mr. Kayani, Pasha and Zardari and get this contract signed in blood. Without this signed document, the U.S. is not serious about peace, it is just blowing hot air and so is the Pakistani politicians and especially the Pakistani Army Junta.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19226 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:21:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19226 Myra:If your intention was to address the Pak-supported anti-India terrorism, your article fell way short. Some points:1. The issue of Pakistan-sponsored terrorism against India is not limited to one terrorist group LeT. Talking just about LeT due to Mumbai terror attack is a myopic POV. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) was involved in December 13, 2001 terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament in New Delhi that led to same situation as we face today due to LeT. Also JeM chief Maulana Masood Azhar arrested by India had to be released by India in Kandhar during plane hijacking in 1999—the hijackers were all Pakistani nationals whose name/ pictures are posted up front on Indian Embassy site.2. The hijacking almost led to Pakistan being labeled a terrorist state during Bill Clinton/Albright Admin. The right hand man Omar Saeed Sheikh killed Daniel Pearl in 2002. “August 16: The father of Maulana Masood Azhar, chief of the JeM, said that Rashid Rauf, identified by Pakistan as a key player in the failed plot to blow up transatlantic airliners in London, left the movement to join rivals more interested in Al Qaeda’s anti-Western message. He said that Rauf was a member of the JeM before he joined Al Qaeda.”All these terrorist groups are known to have connections with Al-qaida and or Taliban.3. LeT, its front desk JuD, JeM, HuM and any other terror group which changes its name like a virus mutates and ALL have to be removed. For example, after UNSC banned JuD, it changed its name to “Tehreek-e-Hurmat-e-Rasool’.4. @So how does the United States break the logjam?–There is no quick fix solution. US must ask India to do what US would have done if it was in India’s shoes—not talking about bombing Pakistan into extinction but the politically.

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By: Manish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/23/pakistan-and-india-breaking-the-logjam/comment-page-1/#comment-19223 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:45:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2971#comment-19223 Myra ,The Indian position is very clear , no peace diaologue unless perpetrators of Mumbai attacks are handed over to India as well as the terror infrastructure in Pakistan are dismantled.Secondly, our past experience was not very happy , Pakistan has never stopped short of back stabbing us , there are numerous instances : Delhi -Lahore bus journey was marred by Kargil invasion, similarly when India and pakistan were talking peace, Indian Parliament was attacked . While peace dialogue was in progress, Kandahar hijack of Air India jet happened, and the perpetrators of all these heinous attacks are living in Pakistan under official shelter. Perpetrators of Bombay blast of 1992 , Dawood and his cronies are enjoying official shelter in Pakistan .Why should tak peace with a criminal ? Who is US to dictate terms to us ? Why must we listen US now in the changed global economic scenario when India is poised to become a global economic giant , if US is really serious about resolving Indo-Pak dispute, US should first ask Pakistan to surrender all the criminals responsible for various criminal acts in India , secondly , Pakistan must dismantle terror infrastructure from its soil .what is Kashmir problem? It is a dispute between India and people of Kashmir , Pakistan has lost its locus standi after Simla Accord , has any gallop poll ever been conducted about the desire of Kashmiris, whether they want Pakistan to play any role ? People of J&K are very well aware of Pakistani designs, and against dictats of various separatist elements, people of J&K have been voting overwhelmingly in Indian elections for selection of their elected nominees .As far as Pakistan’s problems with talibans and other extremist elements are concerned, it is the making of US and Pakistan combined , we have nothing to do with this, we as a good neighbour fully sympathize with the people of Pakistan .

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