Comments on: Pakistan’s military operation in Waziristan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Farukh K http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-23511 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:18:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-23511 @ Rajeev and Sony and comments for Matt

Today, we live in the world that cannot deny the reality. Pakistan’s dilemma is that being a small country it has been colonized and used for different tasks. Such as defeating soviets fighting Taliban etc. The fact is this is the most suffering and humble country that tends to sacrifice it’s interests because of other big nations. Indians have Pak-phobia, everyone knows well. All Indian hates Pakistan, media creates hypes on any news impacting negatively on Pakistan, instead, in Pakistan, this is not the case. people hate India, If they do, because since the birth of Pakistan India did not accepted it’s existence. look at the Kashmir, look at 1965 unprovoked war, don’t forget 1971, where they succeeded to divide it into two. they did not stopped there, when they were able to make a nuke the first thing they did using harsh language for Pakistan. they thought they have done what they want to get rid of Pakistan. After Pakistan shown that they also possess a deterrent, Indians backed down and began talking about living in piece. they should have leaned it long ago.
Now, with all stupidities / mistakes Pakistan managed to survive by the Grace of God, as they keep their ultimate interests beyond their selfishness. No wonder politicians and some generals have been in bad practices but the nation always stood firm all the time.
The terrorist ( we call them now ) were mujahedeen called by US when they were fighting Soviets because they were doing their jobs that US were not able to do. Seemingly Pakistani ISI and Army got enough experience after soviets and tried their own tactics in Kashmir to get it out of India’s hands.
When US saw Soviets breakup they just left without realizing that the men they call mujahedeen is a fierce force that can dismantle or weaken any establishment, Pakistan took the charge and tried to make this force in their favor, called Taliban, (this is for Sunny). So the creation was not only because Pakistan wanted it , it was because US left with unfinished business, that created a whole lot of mess in the region and war lords and factions start fighting with each other. US start calling them terrorist who it used to call Mujahedeen few years back.
So, blaming Pakistan is easy but only those who wants to accept the reality, its difficult.
India now wants to become a parallel of China wants piece everywhere, should have learned its lesson long ago.
Now what they are doing in Waziristan and Afghanistan is also exporting terrorism, only if accept. World knows about it and the people who has little knowledge about the facts.
World, India, US should thank Pakistan what it has been doing for them, fighting their wars with it’s soldiers. Cleaning their mess on and off.
Now US should learn lessons how the wars are fought seeing what Pakistan has done in Swat.
Indians should have enough courage to accept the realities and what they have done to Pakistan.
If would wouldn’t have Pak Army and ISI I am afraid they were not able to bring themselves out of the crisis.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19492 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:40:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19492 @The crusade between Muslims and Christian nations is still continuing.
-Posted by Mohammed Anjum

–You guys deserve each other.

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By: Mohammed Anjum http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19471 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:19:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19471 Pakistanis, just like anyone else, are ordinary, peace loving people. If Pakistanis and our brothers in the Middle Eastern countries had been left alone, we surely would have lived a peaceful life. Our lives have been messed up by the Western powers to meet their objectives. They want to dominate this region for various reasons, oil being the primary one. In addition, this region is in a very strategic geo-political spot. Thirdly, there is a religious background to the whole thing. The crusade between Muslims and Christian nations is still continuing. We have been turned against each other and our governments never allowed to stabilize. The intelligence agencies of these Western powers have used assassinations and coups to derail governments and we have become what we are due to their short sighted and hegemonic acts. We are the victims. No one wants to admit that. When we fight with our will, we are branded as evil, radicals etc. But we will stand up for our rights. Bin Laden is only one man. Removing him is not going to change anything in the hearts of the Arabs or Iranians or Palestinians. We need to be treated with respect and dignity as people. That is the first step. Our values have to be respected and recognized. That is the only way peace will return. Denial of our peace will result in denial of peace for those who deny it. Realize this and do the right thing.

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By: Bangash Khan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19413 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:54:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19413 @Matt M from Detroit

It is sad that you have fallen prey to Indian blogger propaganda that all terrorism emanates from Pakistan. Your country has been engaged in Iraq/Middle East for many years now and the terrorism there has nothing to do with Pakistan. Similarly in South Asia, the terrorism that India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc. face has internal factors as well as external links. Blaming one country is not right.

Pakistan has been engaged in fighting terror since 2001, without acknowledgement or understanding from ordinary Americans. Only when 3 million people are displaced, do you then acknowledge that Pakistan is “fighting terror”. I think your standards of judging allies are stratospheric and unrealistic.

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By: Aamir Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19411 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:47:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19411 The Pakistan Army has not been conducting “on-again, off-again” operations or engaged in some deceptive scheme. Full fledged military operations are a last resort, and many other options such as negotiations, police, limited military ops and peace agreements are worth trying before going for the last option.

I also think its wrong for Pakistan to be too open to either domestic or foreign media. That has proven only advantageous to terrorist propaganda in the past.

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By: Mohammed Anjum http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19397 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:44:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19397 Not all Pakistanis are terrorist supporters. Not all Indians are peace loving citizens. We share a lot in terms of corruption and prejudice. I used to have a friend from Southern India who used to be annoyed by the contempt shown by his North Indian compatriots. We Pakistanis and Indians have similar contempt towards each other. If the sub-continent were divided into many countries, this contempt will take yet another form and most of these nations would be hostile to each other. I expect India to take the initiative as a larger country. But I want India to be fair. Kashmir does not belong to India. You guys have nothing to prove to anyone. Kashmir should have gone to us long ago. You are occupying more than half of it and the locals themselves have no love for you. You have dismembered our country into two. You are illegally occupying Kashmir which should be our territory. And you are helping Taliban. But we will fight. To be a Pakistani is a blessing and God’s gift. And we will preserve that at all costs.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19336 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:32:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19336 @Pakistan, with all its limitations ( stupidities ! )has very little say in this. The Afghans have a simple logic. Today, they are fighting foreign occupation forces, just as they were fighting the Soviets yesterday.
One day the world will have to get serious on Afghanistan. US will leave and the regional powers will have to devise a platform for Afghanistan for a stable government with representation for all nationalities.
Pakistan will have to wait for that day when Afghanistan is stabilised. And untill then the Indians will go on blaming ISI for everything happening in India, including the earthquake in Ahmedabad.
– Posted by nko

–If you were born before 9/11 you’ll know India rightly blamed ISI due to them sponsoring terrorism since 1980s (Indian Punjab and Kashmir, even if I ignore other places). Perhaps you know the Mumbai cases and since TTP started terror inside Pakistan. Until that time Swat was Pak’s Switzerland just like Kashmir was India’s paradise on erath, until Pakistan exported terrorists to India.

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By: tony http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19319 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:58:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19319 Failed State Index Rankings:
1. SOMALIA
2. ZIMBABWE
3. SUDAN
4. CHAD
5. CONGO
6. IRAQ
7. AFGHANISTAN
10. PAKISTAN
13. BURMA
17. N KOREA
19. BANGLADESH
22. SRI LANKA
25. NEPAL
57. CHINA
87. INDIA

All friends of China are topping the list. Aspiring failed state can use this as a reference. Copy this link quickly before china blocks this blog or links!

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/20 09/06/22/the_2009_failed_states_index

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By: nko http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19271 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:56:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19271 Some Indians, it seems, have an obsession; Pakistan.
They love to hate Pakistan.
While not every thing is right in Pakistan ( just as in India), we need to keep the history in mind alongwith the limitations that we are up against, when we discuss Afghanistan.
When Bush attacked Iraq on the pretext of WMDs, he also taged along the bogey of Al-Quaeda. In Afghanistan it is still not clear whether the US is there for elimination of Al-Quaeda OR Pipelinestan. Both the objectives seem quite remote at this point in time. Even if the Pakistan Army eliminates the Waziristan base of Al-Quaeda, which is almost impossible. Al-Quaeda has many other santuaries, to fall back on. Al-Quaeda with or without Osama, is well trenched and has a vast network of sympathisers, thanks to United States of Amnesia.
Pakistan, with all its limitations ( stupidities ! )has very little say in this. The Afghans have a simple logic. Today, they are fighting foreign occupation forces, just as they were fighting the Soviets yesterday.
One day the world will have to get serious on Afghanistan. US will leave and the regional powers will have to devise a platform for Afghanistan for a stable government with representation for all nationalities.
Pakistan will have to wait for that day when Afghanistan is stabilised. And untill then the Indians will go on blaming ISI for everything happening in India, including the earthquake in Ahmedabad.

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By: Matt M http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/06/24/pakistans-military-operation-in-waziristan/comment-page-1/#comment-19258 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:16:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=2996#comment-19258 I have been reading this blog for about 6 months now but almost never post because i lacked the more intimate knowledge on the subjects. however, now that i feel reasonibly informed on the subject matter i will say this: first of all I am an american living in america (Detroit). I often find my self agreeing with the Indian bloggers, the shear volume of terror, destruction, and death inflicted on the Indian people from the Pakistani state wether from “non-state actors”, proxy armies, or direct declarations of war since 1947 unaccepible, unjustifiable, and wrong. India has many faults, massive poverty, much religious percecution, and a caste system that results in insitutionalized descrimination. But India seeks to better itself and has made giant strids toward stability and equality. And i think will in the coming years continue with massive progress. On the other hand Pakistan is a mess. Leaders so selfish they cant see beyond there own gain and put there country first. Barely a nation at all without control of its own borders, quite literally the womb of terrorism, exporting it across the globe. Of which India bares the brunt of. And frankly a laundry list of problems i dont have time to name. When Pakistan had electoins recently I scoffed and thought “likes it matters, this is for show. the army really runs the place.”. But in the last month i feel that i might be being proven wrong. I will say honestly that im proud of Pakistan. taking extremism on head on.Not losing there nerve even in the face a growing humanitarian crisis. keeping the civilian government in control and not falling into an old habit. And how the people have come together behind the effort instead of allowing themselves to be divided by secterian or politiacl idealoigies. As an american i dont mind sending aid to an ally, when there acting like an ally. i hope Pakistan keeps up the good work cause theres more to do. Lastly i would just say that Pakistan should do one more thing. Pakistan should stand up and be men and take responsibility for Lashkar-E-Thiba, they should take on militancy in the east with the same commitment and gravity as they have in the west. Hopefully in a few years America and Pakistan can ally to build schools, roads, hospitals, and courts instead of fighting wars. Good Luck.

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