Comments on: Finding space for progress between India and Pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19786 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:12:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19786 Sorry Mr. Mohammed Anjum. Here is the “most” current rate according to Economist magazine.The rates for Monday, 13th July 2009 12:09:23 GMT1 USD = 81.8 PKROne PKR = 0.0123 USD

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19767 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:44:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19767 Mr. Mohammed Anjum, you should take a real good look at your country first before looking at India.You want to bring rape, well, how do you know it was the security forces? Are you compelled to state that as a Pakistani? At least the process of justice is in motion: those who tampered with the case have been dismissed. So there.Please explain to me about Mukhtar Mai. The woman who was GANG RAPED as a form of revenge honor. Your Mushy boy prevented her from travelleing outside of Pakistan because he was afraid she would tarnish Pakistan’s image. He already did that by preventing her from travel. Also, this pathetic idea that women in Pakistan ALLOW themselves to get raped inorder to gain world sympathy to leave Pakistan.Should I go on to type about the 17-year old girl, Taslim Solangi who was chased and ravaged by dogs before being shot dead in front of her father.You asking me to go and fix my country, well, Mr. Anjum please go and polish your begging bowl:US$1 = 81.7 Pak rupee (current rate)

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By: mohammed Anjum http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19705 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:16:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19705 Bulletfish: “Mr. Mohammed Anjum, YOU are evading a point I made to you:Maybe you (as a Muslim) can explain this to me:Muslim states ’silent’ on Uighurs (al Jazeera, 07/07/2009)””Why should Muslim states say anything at all? A lot of uprisings go on everywhere for various reasons. Most Muslim states are also silent on the plight of Palestinians or Kashmiris. Why are you Hindus so silent on the case of the rape in Kashmir that your security forces have committed? I do not see anyone condemning it. Go fix your country first before demanding anything from others.

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By: mohammed Anjum http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19704 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:57:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19704 Mr. Singh: “While bragging about how effective was Jihad as a weapon against USSR, you are completely forgetting USA element, that Jihad was backed by a world super power. Jihad against India is backed by almost bankrupt country, which is begging from practically everyone. Its on 10th place in Failed state index.”The USSR invaded Afghanistan and the US stepped in. But they never directly were involved in the operations. It was Pakistan that executed their plan. It worked to everyone’s advantage. Communistic imperialism was defeated that benefitted the whole world. So many countries that were subjugated by the Soviets in Eastern Europe and elsewhere were liberated and are free countries now. They all owe their freedom to Pakistan, which allowed the battle to happen in its backyard, took the most calculated risks and saved the world. And in the case of Kashmir, India invaded with its troops in 1948. Pakistan had every right to take Kashmir over as an adjoining Muslim majority state. All this story of Pathans engaging in rape, loot etc are Indian concocted story to use as an excuse to invade and deny Pakistan what would have been its rightful domain. So Pakistan has every right to use the same methodology it tried and succeeded against the Soviets and bleed India in Kashmir. Whether the US backs us or not, in the case of Kashmir, we can handle it ourselves. If the Al Qaeda had not attacked the US, by now Kashmir would have been liberated. So there is a sudden shift in the sequence of events. But in a war, things do not go the way one plans. Sometimes battles get lost. But war must go on until the final goal is achieved. And the war will go in every front possible. We will take Kashmir or liberate them from your hands.”Other factor is Morality of your Jihad, Afghanistan Jihad was against USSR Army, But yours is killing Innocents in India of all caste creed and religion. Do your terrorists distinguish between Muslims and Hindus ?”India is not made of angels. Your countrymen have killed many thousands in the name of religion, caste, class and prejudice. So do not preach to us about human rights. Your police force is one of the most brutal in the world and your torture methods are famous. We do not support killing of innocents. We are fighting for them against your military which is doing it. Get this clear.”By Using Jihad as a weapon against India, Pakistan has walked too far on the way of self destruction. But it seems like blood is less and anti india venom is more in your veins. Your leaders are asking aid for Pakistan and you are boasting about how Pakistan is going to win this war and retaining Kashmir and winning back Bangladesh.”Sometimes new weapons need a lot of fine tuning to do. Sometimes they explode within your own factory. But it takes a few years of trials and errors to make it perfect. Jihad is one such weapon and Pakistan will never give it up. That is the way to keep countries like yours at bay. Do not think we will disappear because we are a smaller nation. We are a smarter nation. Our objectives are clear and we will survive through tough times to emerge even stronger. The best thing your country can do is to see what is coming and be proactive. This is the best opportunity to mend your stance and do the right thing. Settle Kashmir and you will do well in the future.” You are nuclear country, why dont you go and take over traitor Bengalis ?”It is all right. Let Bangladesh live well. At some point they are going to wake up to realize India’s hegemony in the region and will join the grand alliance of smaller neighbors in their collective efforts, much like a NATO alliance against the Soviets.”If India had any animosity towards Pakistan, We could have attacked Bangladesh in 1948 and 1965 and Logistically it was not possible for pakistan to defend bangladesh. But we just tried to keep war as limited as we could. India could also keep your 1,00,000 army as prisoners and try them under war crimes, but we returned these useless good for nothing warriors.”India did cut East Pakistan off. How does it matter when they could have done it? Look towards the future and see what can be done. Settle Kashmir first before it becomes too late.”Jihadi weapon is not Backfiring, instead its turning towards you now. Its out of control and latest example is Swat, where you have millions of refugees.”Weapons sometimes backfire. Your RAW and the military learned that in Sri Lanka. The IPKF was defeated and returned home after LTTE turned against you. One learns from these ventures and hones the weapon further.””Sorry for my harsh words”This is the only wise statement in your argument so far.

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By: singh http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19657 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:40:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19657 Anjum:While bragging about how effective was Jihad as a weapon against USSR, you are completely forgetting USA element, that Jihad was backed by a world super power. Jihad against India is backed by almost bankrupt country, which is begging from practically everyone. Its on 10th place in Failed state index.Other factor is Morality of your Jihad, Afghanistan Jihad was against USSR Army, But yours is killing Innocents in India of all caste creed and religion. Do your terrorists distinguish between Muslims and Hindus ?By Using Jihad as a weapon against India, Pakistan has walked too far on the way of self destruction. But it seems like blood is less and anti india venom is more in your veins. Your leaders are asking aid for Pakistan and you are boasting about how Pakistan is going to win this war and retaining Kashmir and winning back Bangladesh. You are nuclear country, why dont you go and take over traitor Bengalis ?If India had any animosity towards Pakistan, We could have attacked Bangladesh in 1948 and 1965 and Logistically it was not possible for pakistan to defend bangladesh. But we just tried to keep war as limited as we could. India could also keep your 1,00,000 army as prisoners and try them under war crimes, but we returned these useless good for nothing warriors.Jihadi weapon is not Backfiring, instead its turning towards you now. Its out of control and latest example is Swat, where you have millions of refugees.Sorry for my harsh words

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19654 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:45:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19654 Mr. Mohammed Anjum, YOU are evading a point I made to you:Maybe you (as a Muslim) can explain this to me:Muslim states ’silent’ on Uighurs (al Jazeera, 07/07/2009)”Kashmir had over 500,000 Hindu Pundits. What happened to them? This is not a small number! Is this how you work? Invade a country ‘force’ people to convert or kill them then claim that the people, culture and land is your own when it was NEVER yours to claim? What is next: Londonistan, Chinastan…? Kashmir is not rightfully yours just because of your religion.Do you remember what happened in 1971 in East Pakistan? Millions of your own citizens sought refuge in India and thousands were murdered by your own glorious Pak military. I have seen a beautiful photo of a Pakistani Lieutenant General A A K Niazi signing a ‘surrender’ in Dhaka (not a strategic cease fire). He then had to be protected by the Indian soldiers from the new Bangladeshis. He did cry. Over 90,000 Pakistani prisoners of war which was the largest surrender of forces since World War II.Since when does India need to bully Pakistan into doing anything. Pakistan is a beggar state:”Please Uncle Saudi, can we please defer oil payments.””Please Mr. China, can we have a no-strings-attached loan after all we are all-weather friends, aren’t we?””Please IMF, can we have money…again.”Pakistan has asked the IMF for money twice in less than 20 years!!!You created and nurtured terrorists on you own soil for so long and you want us Indians and the world to believe that this will all go away if we all give them what they want?This is blackmail!

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By: mohammed Anjum http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19625 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:36:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19625 Amongst all the neighboring countries that India has had, Pakistan is the one country it has strived to destroy, in order to prove its myth of united India. It did try to muscle its way into Sri Lanka as well. It has held on to the states in its North Eastern part by brute force against the wishes of the people in the region. A lot of you Indians have grown up with the wrong mentality that your country is the most benevolent one in the world. Your military and government have been brutal in their approach towards others in the region. Hence our response has been similar. We know that we cannot take on a larger Indian military. But we have found ways to take your military on. Right now times are hard for us. We will bear with it and come out stronger. But fight we will against your dominance. Your country has been trying to bully Pakistan into submission by first taking over two thirds of Kashmir which was on its way to merge with our nation rightfully. Then it helped cut East Pakistan off. We will settle our current domestic issues first and very soon. And we will bring your country to justice. Pakistanis will never stop until justice is served. Our fight started in 1948 when India tried to show its muscles. And it has not ended. The sole reason why the sub-continent has never settled is because of what India did in Kashmir in 1948. So that is the root cause. Once that is settled, peace has a chance after that. It does not matter how great you think your country might be.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19570 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:48:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19570 Bulletfish, you said:”Maybe you (as a Muslim) can explain this to me:Muslim states ’silent’ on Uighurs (al Jazeera, 07/07/2009)”You have correctly noted this.Where is Pakistan, should they not be exercising the Grand Islamic Ummah to ask for China to let the Uighurs to separate from China? Then why Kashmir?I have yet to so any peoples from any of the Islamic Nations condemn the crackdown on Muslims in Uighur.Mr. Obama should be aware of this, when confronted on the issue of Kashmir. Kashmir belongs to India, both sides in fact do.

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19526 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:45:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19526 Mr. Mohammed Anjum,We are not evasive on the issue of Kashmir. Kashmir is an integral part of India and there will be no more ‘partitions’ of India in the name of religion. If the pro-Pak Muslim people of Kashmir do not want to be part of India then they can leave and join your IDPs from Swat and Bunar in their camps. Or they can go and join those former East Pakistanis living in squalid conditions in Bangladesh. However, the land WILL remain part of India. Muslims have plenty of territory from Morocco to Indonesia.Mr. Jinnah and Pakistanis got their piece of cake and ate it. Do not ask for seconds.Maybe you (as a Muslim) can explain this to me:Muslim states ‘silent’ on Uighurs (al Jazeera, 07/07/2009)

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/04/finding-space-for-progress-between-india-and-pakistan/comment-page-1/#comment-19524 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:47:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3054#comment-19524 Mr. Mohammed Anjum wrote:The US could bomb Afghanistan, but with Pakistan they sought an alliance. There must be a reason why that happened. I feel sorry for you Indians. Your leaders tried to jump in and offer bases to the US with the hope that the US will take out both Pakistan and Afghanistan at the same time. Well, the US took a wise decision. Pakistan has always been a valuable and strategic ally for the US in this region. They know that India still has its Left parties who are anti-American.So I suppose it absolutely nothing to do with the FACT that Pakistan is directly next door to Afghanistan? It also had nothing to do with Colin Powell telling Pervez Musharuff that Pakistan is either with the USA or against it in the matter of the Taliban and al Qaeda after 9/11? Where is YOUR proof that Indian leaders offered bases to the USA? You can feel as sorry as you like for us, but we are not idiots. You do realise that if India offered bases to the USA and the USA accepted, then your Pakistani based terrorists and/or Taliban would have formed attacks on Indian soil.If Pakistan is such a strategic ally how come Pakistan is not protecting the the supply lines to the USA and NATO troops from Pakistan to Afghanistan?Yes, we in India do have our Left Parties. However, after the USA and NATO troops landed in Afghanistan many Pakistani men went there to fight against them. Most from your Pakistani, warm, friendly, respectful and honor abiding tribal areas. It is in these same regions that Musharuff allowed the Taliban to settle and rearm when they were driven out of Afghanistan. So as a strategic ally Pakistan likes to run with the hounds and the fox. The undigestible truth is that Pakistan is suffering territorially and economically due to its leaders’ decisions. You wish to talk about Kashmir when you can hardly control your own regions: Swat, Bunar.

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