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10:05 July 13th, 2009

Pakistan and India: Signposts in the Sinai

Posted by: Myra MacDonald
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Even before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Asif Ali Zardari broke the ice by meeting on the sidelines of a regional summit in Yekaterinburg, Russia last month, the real question over talks between India and Pakistan has not been about the form but the substance.

After the bitterness of last year’s attacks on Mumbai by Pakistan-based militants, can India and Pakistan work their way back to a roadmap for an agreement on Kashmir reached two years ago? Although never finalised, the roadmap opened up the intellectual space for an eventual peace deal. This week’s meetings between India and Pakistan on the sidelines of a Non-Aligned Movement summit in Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt could give some clues on whether it has any chance of being  revived.

India broke off the formal peace process, the so-called composite dialogue, with Pakistan after the three-day assault on Mumbai blamed on the Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant group once nurtured by Pakistan to fight India in Kashmir.  But even before the attack, informal behind-the-scenes talks on Kashmir held under former president Pervez Musharraf had fallen victim to the political turbulence which led to his ouster last year, and any hope of reviving them under the new civilian government led by Zardari was dashed altogether by the Mumbai assault.

Ahead of the NAM summit in Sharm el-Sheikh — during which the foreign secretaries of both countries will meet on the sidelines, to be followed by talks between Singh and Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani - the two countries have been trying to put together the pieces of their shattered relationship.

In an unprecedented move, Pakistan has said it will put on trial five Pakistanis suspected of involvement in the Mumbai attacks, including senior Lashkar-e-Taiba commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, accused of masterminding the assault. Pakistan has traditionally refused to acknowledge in public the role of anti-India militant groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and putting on trial a commander like Lakhvi is a major departure. India had insisted it would not resume formal peace talks until Pakistan took action against those behind the Mumbai attacks.

The Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan has also held talks with the head of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), according to Prime Minister Singh,  a move that would have been unheard of — at least in public — in the past when India accused the ISI of driving a separatist revolt in Kashmir that erupted in Kashmir in 1989. Pakistan Army chief General Pervez Ashfaq Kayani also suggested this month that the internal threat facing Pakistan was greater than the external threat,  a comment seen as easing — albeit perhaps only marginally — the military’s traditional view of India as its primary enemy.

And acccording to Dawn newspaper, Gilani has been seeking political consensus in the country’s approach to India ahead of the meetings in Sharm el-Sheikh, including winning support from powerful opposition leader and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif. Singh on his part has said he is willing to meet Pakistan more than half way, while also insisting Pakistan must take action to dismantle militant groups which target India.

So on that basis, what can be expected from the meetings in Sharm el-Sheikh? Pakistan is keen to resume the composite dialogue, but it is unclear whether India would be ready to reopen the formal peace process despite much progress since Singh and Zardari met in Yakaterinburg.

According to the Hindu newspaper, the stage is set for a re-engagement between India and Pakistan but this could stop short of resuming the composite dialogue — primarily because India does not believe the civilian government alone can commit to acting against militant groups. Any decision to take on militant groups would have to be made by the Pakistan Army and the ISI rather than the civilian government.

“For that reason, the immediate resumption of the composite dialogue is not on the cards. The most likely outcome of Sharm-el-Shaikh is the two Foreign Secretaries being tasked with reviewing the overall structure of bilateral engagement,” it said.

To a large extent however, the focus on when and whether the composite dialogue is resumed is one of form rather than substance. While it is symbolically important, the formal peace process has rarely been as productive as back-channel diplomacy. One of the bigger breakthroughs in recent years – an agreement for a ceasefire on the Line of Control dividing Kashmir in 2003 — was agreed in behind-the-scenes talks.

On matters of substance, India and Pakistan have long road ahead.

While India is looking for an eventual dismantling of militant groups like the Laskkar-e-Taiba based in Pakistan’s heartland Punjab province, the Pakistan Army is fighting militants from the Pakistani Taliban on its western border with Afghanistan - and few believe it to be either capable of or willing to take on every group at once.  On top of that, any attempt to shut down the Laskhar-e-Taiba could make it even more dangerous if it were to drive it further underground or break it up into splinter groups.

And ultimately, Pakistan is seen as unlikely to dismantle a group like the Laskhar-e-Taiba without a peace deal with India, while New Delhi will not offer a peace deal until the militants are disarmed. That’s where the intellectual space opened up by the roadmap agreement tentatively reached between Musharraf and Singh’s government in 2007 becomes interesting.  Although there was to be no exchange of territory in divided Kashmir, the two countries did tentatively agree to try to make borders irrelevant by allowing trade and travel across the two parts of the former kingdom they each control. They were also trying to agree on some form of shared supervision on issues affecting Kashmir.

Can and should Pakistan and India try to work their way back to that roadmap and then build on it? Would Pakistan’s civilian government be willing to acknowledge a roadmap negotiated by Musharraf after fighting hard to drive him out of office? At what point will India be convinced that Pakistan has taken enough action against those involved in the Mumbai attacks before it is ready to talk about peace? How will Pakistan’s civilian government be able to convince India that it has the powerful Pakistan Army on board in any negotiations? And should both countries even be aiming for an over-arching peace deal, or rather trying to progress in small steps through trade and other confidence-building measures before tackling Kashmir?

Those are all big outstanding questions. The meetings in Sharm el-Sheikh, on the southern tip of the Sinai desert, might provide some signposts.

(Photos: Zardari and Singh in Yekaterinburg; Dal lake in Kashmir; Wagah border crossing)

33 comments so far

Pakistan is a not only a failed state but also a foolish country which does not work on its betterment of country they are always begger in state and creating the tensions around the world by selling th nuclear arsnel to all tom dick and harry it is suriving on americas blessing they start always blaming others they dont concentrate on the terriosm with their own state they keep on blaming india and they dont look at the Baluchistan liberation , NWPF and local terrorist state they have not made any thing on their life not even a single invention from their country had come out

- Posted by pankaj

Indian are dam busy these days to portray Pakistan as a failed state. I want to show some frectures in india to indians who think that their country is shining. Just go and visit ASSAM where u fing a hoisted flag of PAKISTAN. Just go and analyse the rebellion of KHALISTAN where SIKH r ready to fight against indian ARMY but muted due to the lacking of weapons. Just go and analyse the NAXALITE REBELLION is burning. Just go and visit GUJRAT where thousands of MUSLIMS r ready to take revenge of MUSLIMS GENOCIDE by extremist hindus. Incredible india is on a edge of collapse and going to incredibly break, but biassed American and British Media in not highlighting these issues but the truth can never be hide.

- Posted by Proud to be pakistani

Pakistan is a failed nation. If such nation is sending trained and armed militants to create terror, what should India be doing? The approach should be many fold, like blocking the infiltration (which is difficult), secondly, should strengthen the internal police setup, thirdly, should attack the training camps covertly. Attack is the best defence. The terror war venue should not be in India but should be in Pakistan! Our Indian political leaders were never good in diplomacy, its time that the political leadership takes tough decisions in these matters to resolve quickly, rather than prolong and try to pass on the issue to next leader!!!

- Posted by Vijay Kumbham

Sorry, that should read:

From Dawn (15/07/2009)

- Posted by bulletfish

From Dawn (15/09/2009)

Mr Gilani proposed an eight-point programme for the cause of peace and development:

(1) strict adherence to principles enshrined in the UN charter.

(2) strengthening multilateral system to curb unilateralist impulses and to advance the interests of all states in an equitable manner.

(3) re-designing the global institutional architecture on the basis of democracy, accountability and transparency.

(4) promoting the pacific settlements of disputes.

(5) developing a new global consensus covering arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation as well as access to nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

(6) deepening South-South cooperation.

(7) paying urgent attention to the issue of climate change.

(8) promoting inter-faith dialogue.

Since when do state’s suffering internally from: homegrown terrorism, economic problems and debts up to there eyeballs get to call the shots? Besides, most of these points are gibberish.

- Posted by bulletfish

There is no doubt in my mind that India and the civilian administration of Pakistan want peace. But I don’t think the military is quite there yet. When Zardari offers a no first use nuclear policy, he is forced to retract his statement. When he offers to place the ISI under the Ministry of the Interior, he is forced to retract his statement. Clearly, he is not in the driver’s seat when it comes to foreign policy. And from those retractions, it’s clear that the Generals behind the throne are not quite willing to make any concessions to move negotiations forward.

However, I believe the fact that Pakistan is rather quickly going to the dogs (sorry to my Pakistani friends, but that’s what it looks like from the outside), is likely to bring about a slow change in mindset. I really do think that the Generals are starting to understand that the ‘thousand cuts’ strategy has failed, and worse, it’s alienating the very people they purportedly seek to liberate. The growing economic disparity between India and Pakistan is surely bound to be a big concern. If it comes to blows again, it is doubtful that Pakistan will be able to recover and the economic challenges that follow any India-Pakistan conflict could very well destroy the federation. Unfortunately for Pakistan, short of employing nuclear weapons, there is nothing they could do that would halt India’s economic rise to a point of threatening its unity. Among the Pakistani officials I’ve met, I do believe that realization is setting in. The problem I believe is that they don’t know how to turn the ship around.

How are they supposed to sell peace with India (that will most certainly not include a return of Jammu and Kashmir) to a Pakistani public that has largely been raised and rallied on anti-India sentiments? And how can they protect the Army (the only truly effective institution in the country) without having a supposedly existential threat that they need the Army to guard against?

For this reason, I believe that peace will come slow. Pakistan will largely determine the pace of the rapprochement, not India. Only as Pakistani institutions are built up and the population focused on Pakistan’s own economic rise will the conflict de-escalate and peace be made possible. Sharm-el-sheikh is one of the first steps on a very, very long road.

- Posted by Keith

Pakistan cannot and will not progress on its own merit, on any front, unless it comes to terms with its past misdeeds and demostrates itself to be a responsible and unwarlike nation.

As the rest of Pakistan is in shambles, they continue to make Nxkes with U.S. taxpayer money and IMF funds, while keeping a beggar bowl out for free handouts. Sorry being blunt, but that is the sheer truth of it all. The manufacture of those ordinances alone is a topic all its own that should be addressed here in these blogs, but is not being entertained at all.

- Posted by Global Watcher

Suggestion to Myra, Sanjeev others,
As you are all committed India Pak enthusiasts (sorry my english isn’t the best) I would highly recommend the Bangladesh independence history chapter to be brought into the picture.
Lot of Paks have misgivings about the 2nd partition and the struggle that lead to it and politics behind it. They were brainwashed that its all Indias brainchild and Bangladeshis and Paks were separated against their will.
Time to bring in a fresh angle to the stale IndoPak bickering going on here.
Especially now Hasinas administration is planning to start a commission on war crimes and Pak is doing everything to stop it.

- Posted by Azad

Sorry to go off topic for a second, but I came across this article on the BBC website:

English football champions Manchester United are to open their first cafe in the western Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) later this year.

So, even less than a year after the Mumbai attacks, the city is attracting foreign business.

- Posted by bulletfish

Pakistan will unlikely dimantle and go against any anti-India group that has been created and/or nurtured on its soil. However, it is not just LeT, JuD or any other terrorist organization hiding in a futile fashion under a charity banner that Pakistan has on its soil. We must not forget Jundallah.

The talks in Egypt will be nothing more than the routine ‘hand shakes and smiles’ for the cameras.

- Posted by bulletfish

Umair wrote:
Any notion that Pakistan civil leadership doent have say in national matters that Army generals run the entire show are incorrect.

If what you say is true, then how come Pakistan has been under military dictators for most of its 62 years? Didn’t General Zia ul Haq execute Zulfikur Bhutto and take over?

Pakistan is not in any position to ask and/or demand anything of India. Pakistan can ask for all the sincerity it wants, but after the Mumbai attacks, the cycle of denials, the Sri Lankan cricket team attacks, the 5-star hotel bombings, the kidnapping and beheading of foreigners, the creation and nurturing of terrorist organizations against India…the list can go on and on.

On top of this…money, or to be more exact the lack of:
Pakistan seeks additional $4bn IMF loan (Dawn, 15/07/2009). However, Pakistan STILL wants previous loans written off.

- Posted by bulletfish

PAKISTAN COLLAPSE!!

Oh sorry, its the cricket I’m reading.

- Posted by bulletfish

I really dont know what disciplined organization this umair is talks about with respect to Pakistan army…

It has a history of toppling the democratically elected govt million times.All the generals have never thought of political leadership as their bosses.
They dont even believe in democracy as an institution….You can judge this from the fact that musharaf removed chief justice of pakistan…so it means PA do not believe in judiciary as well.

It has lost all the battles it has fought –> 1948,1965,1971,kargil even when they were getting military and moral support from US and china(You sould remember that photo of pak general surrendering to indian army) …they have not been able to do a single decent thing for their country other than generating millions of refugees inside its own country coz of their misdeeds.

They don’t even have the guts to fight themselves for their country and send soldiers as proxies(In case of kargil).
They do not even claim the bodies of thier soldiers thinking they might get embarrassed and the world will know whose misdeed it was.
What sincerity from indian side is he talking about…when AB vajpayee(then Indian PM) was talking peace with Nawaz sharif,their democratically elected PM while their bravest general musharraf was cutting the feet of its own govt and sending soldiers to fight in kashmir and was planning a coup…what an embarresment….
Even Nawaz sharif was seen weeping about this on PAK TV as he was giving a speech in a rally about musharraf backstabbed him.

No need to mention the bangladesh episode of gangraping 90000 odd girls and women and executing them.

So kindly not try defending your bravest army…international community know what they are worth of.
One thing is good though that they convince or how shall i put it ..ORDER your PM and Prez to go begging all around the world.

They have not been able to save the sovergnity of your country from america as US drones whiz past thier heads every day.
Painful as it may be but this is truth.

- Posted by Sid

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