Comments on: Taking the fight to Pakistan from Afghanistan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Aamir Al http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20711 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:44:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20711 After eight years of failure in Afghanistan, lets just start a new war in Pakistan? I guess drones can do a job that 50K NATO forces could not.

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By: Napaksitan http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20281 Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:35:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20281 To uproot terrorism by its roots one has to accept a simple fact and that is to acknowledge the fact that this war cannot be won by killing a select group of Taliban or Al Queida.

While the western countries are busy waging a cover and overt proxy war in Afghanistan and target the Taliban and Al Qaida it remains very silent on the other face of the same outfits, terrorists and their camps in Pakistan held Kashmir.

We must launch a joint strike on all terror camps and havens in Pakistan and in this context joint USA-Pak strikes in western borders of Pakistan must be supplemented by a strike at the terror camps in Pak occupied Kashmir.

Terrorists must be eliminated, killed or taken prisoners and tried by a joint coalition of forces- USA, UK, Australia, Germany; Afghanistan and India.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20245 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:29:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20245 An attack on Pakistan will be met with full force and it should be kept in mind that unlike Iraq or Afghanistan Pakistan is not going to be an easy game.
With a huge and capable Army, a potent Air Force, a sizeable Navy , nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, and a fearless spy service ISI undertaking deadliest missions with no fear. Pakistan is not comparable to Iraq or Afganistan at all.

Pakistan Army is involved in counterinsurgency, ISI has apprehended the most Al-qaeda fugitives numbered in hundereds and brought to justice. The world has a clear choice; assist Pakistan Army and ISI in fight against terrorists or risk a war with Pakistan.
– Posted by Umair

1) If the precarious state of Pakistani oil reserves in November of last year were any indication of Pakistani military readiness, then it won’t take much to defeat Pakistan. There is no Army in the world that can fight without food and fuel….and in the Pakistani case…spare parts (because they do not have the industrial capability to make them quite often…and will run through them at rates not seen by manufacturers because Pak users won’t read the accompanying system manual – a particularly tough issue for Pak Army helicopters). As the saying goes, “Amateurs talk weapons, professionals talk logistics.” All the nukes in the world won’t help you if there is no gas for the delivery systems. And any talk about war is juvenile rhetoric if you can’t talk about the consequences for your country. I am sure you are bright enough to understand the economic consequences and the possible internal security challenges that would result for Pakistan should it decide on any conflict with the west. The mere imposition of Iraq-style economic sanctions would probably force Pakistan to exploit the Balochis further leading to their resentment and only further insurgencies in Pakistan…on top of the general discontent that seems to the be there everywhere but in Punjab. How many Balochis or Pashtun proudly claim to be Pakistani first and Balochi or Pashtun second? How far do you think their loyalty will go if Punjabis decide that war with the west is better than their betterment (particularly if Afghanistan starts looking more attracting than the FATA or NWFP)?

2) The Pak Army may have taken on AQ (and its contribution is still no where near that of NATO) but it has done very little about the Taliban other than arresting the odd number 2 or 3 guy every time a US official shows up. (The joke in my office is that the US should send Clinton over every week and then the troops will be home by Christmas.) That situation should lead to the conclusion that the Pakistan Army is either incapable of tackling of the Taliban (in which case Pakistanis should really stop talking about taking on India or the US) or it is unwilling (far more likely). The latter makes Pakistan an unreliable ally. And sooner or later that kind of duplicity will have consequences.

ps. Taking on AQ is not counter-insurgency, it’s counter-terrorism.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20239 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:35:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20239 @Where r the drones?
– Posted by Patrick

Patrick: As they say iron cuts iron, the smart approach for Pres Obama is to use Pakistan to have a holistic anti-terrorist approach. Just drones will not do the job. It is much easier to arm twist Pakistan despite these jignoist pakistanis, who love to tell the population of their country, one often encounters over the blogs ranting nothings on behalf of Kayani et al! Pakistan has no way to run since now even China looks them with a different eye post-Xinjiang trouble. It is much worse in China and the the fears of Chinese populace is much worse than what is coming out in the news.

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By: Singh http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20224 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:54:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20224 Umair Wrote:

“With a huge and capable Army, a potent Air Force, a sizeable Navy , nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles, and a fearless spy service ISI undertaking deadliest missions with no fear. Pakistan is not comparable to Iraq or Afganistan at all.”

That’s true, any attempt to snatch Nukes from them by force could make Pakistan actually use them. But at most their Nukes can reach only at India, Afghanistan and Israel. They will not use Nukes against any country but India only.

Another option which can be exercised is nailing harsh economic sanctions on Pakistan by all countries. They already have negligible economy and living off aid. Cut their Oil, food, money and weapons and let them eat their Nukes or UN can buy their Nukes and use them in peaceful applications e.g generating electricity. In fact “Food for Nukes” will be very effective in Pakistan. Pakistan should be given aid only if it lets international observation and investigation teams to check their Nuke stock and Give all out access to these teams to denuclearize Pakistan.

India should also pledge to “NO THREATS” to Pakistan as long as Pakistan does not support terrorism in India.

History shows us that Nuclear states cannot be attacked, but can be made Implode from within and Pakistan can be denuclearized only by making them economically handicap.

Otherwise they will continue to hold world hostage, and extort money due to their nuclear capacity.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20209 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:36:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20209 Myra, Umair says:

“Pakistan Army is involved in counterinsurgency, ISI has apprehended the most Al-qaeda fugitives numbered in hundereds and brought to justice. The world has a clear choice; assist Pakistan Army and ISI in fight against terrorists or risk a war with Pakistan.”

There is hidden implication that Pakistan wants to hold the world hostage with its nukes or the implied threat of what it will do, if that is so, come out and say it.

The day the Pakistan threatens the world with its nukes, is the day that nations will unite to fix Pakistan by force. Threatening the world will not require permission or apologies or explainations, when 4-5 superpowers show up at your doorstep, that will be the end of Pakistan into the history books.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20204 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:19:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20204 Paul, you said:

“. So the first thing we and our allies must do is go after those nukes. Get them out somehow. Without this step, the worst will happen. And the sooner it is done, the better for everyone.”

A robust Indian missile defence shield to vapourize the Pak Nukes in the apogee of their trajectory is also another option.

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20199 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:28:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20199 So this means UK, Us and NATO forces fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Pakistan?

This would lead to all sorts of troubles.

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By: Lloyd http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20194 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:05:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20194 “De-nuclearize Pakistan”

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2009/ 7/19/135943/718/Diary/De-nuclearize-Paki stan

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By: Paul http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/07/17/taking-the-fight-to-pakistan-from-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-20168 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:04:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3180#comment-20168 It is a good albeit late realization that the real villain is Pakistan and Afghanistan is yet another victim of its regional policies. But going after Pakistan has its repercussions. That is why there is hesitation on the part of the US and the allies into going after the real epicenter of the whole problem. We know very well where the problem lies. However pushing Pakistan with its back to the wall at this time can be dangerous. They have managed to survive by providing what we have asked for in return for our silent non-response to their regional activities. However such activities have spiraled out of control and have begun to burn their own country. A desperate Pakistan when it realizes that it is being cornered, will try to fight its way out of it. The easiest way is to declare martial law, take over the civilian government and immediately wage terrorist strikes within neighboring India. And India this time will retaliate and the war would follow right away. Nukes will be used indiscriminately and everything will burn out of existence, including Pakistan. That will be one massive suicide attack, a nation doing it to cause maximum damage to the neighborhood and die in the process. So the first thing we and our allies must do is go after those nukes. Get them out somehow. Without this step, the worst will happen. And the sooner it is done, the better for everyone.

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