Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and the doomsday scenario

July 23, 2009

When Secretary of State Hillary Clinton raised the possibility in April of Islamist militants taking over Pakistan and its nuclear weapons, her words were dismissed as alarmist – and perhaps deliberately so as a way of putting pressure on Islamabad to act.

The problem with Pakistan is that it is almost impossible to come up with a view that is not either alarmist or complacent. It is such a complex country that nobody can agree a frame of reference for assessing the risk. It is the base for a bewildering array of militants including Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, al Qaeda and anti-India groups, yet also has a powerful and professional army which would be expected to defend to the last its Punjab heartland and nuclear weapons against a jihadi takeover.  Its potent mix of poverty and Islamist sympathies among a significant section of the population make it ripe for revolution, yet it also has a strong and secular-minded civil society which was willing to go out into the streets earlier this year to demand an independent judiciary.

You can assess the risk in Pakistan by looking at the rate of decline in stability there, and that was faster than anyone expected over the past year or so until a military offensive against the Taliban in Swat  which began in April halted the slide.

Or you can look at the worst case scenario, of Islamist militants taking over a nuclear-armed Pakistan, and decide that even if that outcome is unlikely, the potential dangers arising from it are so great as to put Pakistani stability at the top of global risks.

In an essay in the National Interest, Bruce Riedel, the former CIA officer who led a review of strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan for President Barack Obama, lays out the implications of that worst case scenario.

“A jihadist Pakistan would be the most serious threat to the United States since the end of the Cold War.  Aligned with al-Qaeda and armed with nuclear weapons, the Islamic Emirate of Pakistan would be a nightmare. U.S. options for dealing with it would all be bad,” he writes.

And if the United States were to try to invade “the Pakistanis would, of course, use their nuclear weapons to defend themselves. While they do not have delivery systems capable of reaching America, they could certainly destroy cities and bases in Afghanistan, India, the Gulf states and, if smuggled out ahead of time by terrorists, perhaps the United States. A victory in such a conflict would be Pyrrhic indeed.

“Of course, the hardest problem would be the day after. What would we do with a country twice the size of California with enormous poverty, almost 50 percent illiteracy and intense popular hatred for all that we stand for after we have fought a nuclear war to occupy it?”

Riedel’s essay, titled “Armageddon in Islamabad” goes some way to answering the oft-asked question of why western troops are fighting in Afghanistan when al Qaeda and its allies are believed to be based in Pakistan. It also helps explain why the United States is so keen to see a peace deal with India that might help stabilise the country.

“A jihadist, nuclear-armed Pakistan is a scenario we need to avoid at all costs,” he says. That means working with the Pakistan we have today to try to improve its spotty record on terrorism and proliferation. There is good reason for pessimism. Working with the existing order in Pakistan may not succeed. But there is every reason to try, given the horrors of the alternative.”

Do read it in conjunction with this article in the CTC Sentinel (pdf), in which Shaun Gregory, a professor at Britain’s Bradford University, assesses the risk of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons falling into the hands of Islamist militants. The nuclear weapons, he argues, are well guarded by the Pakistan Army against the internal threat of a seizure by Islamist militants. But this also means that they could not be spirited out of the country by a third party, or destroyed, in the event of a state collapse.

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Myra,Pakistan is a reasonably functional state which is robust enough to not let the nukes fall in the hands of the terrorists. Nor it’s going to collapse as predicted by some. It has become fashionable among western analysts who publish doomsday scenarios. Now, Pakistani diplomats very adroitly use this line which usually guarantees an inflow of billions in foreign aid.Yes, Pakistan has llliteracy, poverty and religious fundamentalism. So do many other countries. In fact, Pakistan has never paid the price for its mistakes. The fear of instability in that country and the prospect of leaking nukes usually guarantees military and foreign aid. What a wrong example set for other states to follow? If nukes guarantee inflow of foreign aid why should other less stable states not attempt to beg, borrow or steal them as insurance during rough times?

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

Myra,This is a very good article, thanks for addressing this. If Pakistan did every collapse, it is unlikely that even if Islamic Right Wing Militants that would come to power that they would be given the code keys to arm the nukes, or even if they had the code keys, that they would be able to activate the warheads, as activation protocols are quite closely guarded. While the U.S. has been whining about nukes falling into the hands of jihadis in a potentially fallen Pakistan, I find it hard to believe that the U.S. has not already had a back door on the initial creation of the nukes, a kill switch if you will, which would override the activation of those warheads. Also I find it hard to believe that the U.S. does not know where most of them are considering that they have an army of robot drones ranging in size from a small insect beetle to infiltrate any building to a fighter plane c/w the latest technology to take out militants as they walk about their business. If they have none of this, there should be unified response plan in place, utlizing Russia, the U.S. and India as a minimum to seek out and eliminate rogue elements or a failed Pak Establishment, seeking to make the warheads Rogue. Pakistan has become the world’s migraine, since it is becoming more and more apparent that the lines between the so-called professional Army of Pakistan and the Militants is becoming more blurred than ever.When a country has nukes, it should never be making threatening overtures to another country, as Pakistan does to India, as this has fueled the hostility towards India and makes Pakistan appear that it is using the nukes as a hedge to cause terrorism upon India and excusing a whole range of nefarious behavior. At the end of the Day, Pakistan has developed an overbloated EGO due to its nukes. It is nearing collapse and Balkanization it is high time that the world exercise responsible action and safeguard the lives of millions of Indians or any other European nation.The Nuclear Powers MUST develop a plan to confiscate those nukes thorugh ANY means possible. Pakistan being an irresponsible and terrorist and nuclear proliferating nations has already shown that it is incoherent and irresponsible and dishonest. It is unlikely that Pakistan can trusted with its nukes, failed state or not.Pakistan keeps using the nukes to embolden its bad behavior against the world and India. To top that off, I am shocked that the United States is tolerating more Pak Nuclear production, especially after a global economic meltdown.Did the taxpayers elect Obama, so that the Paks can develop more nukes? Did the IMF loan Billions more money for stimulus or nukes? It seems that Pakistan has used them for the later.The Gate keepers of Pak Nuke program can be bribed, just like everyone else there, everything is for sale, it is just a matter of price. I for one, would be willing to donate to such a just cause, if it means safe-guarding the lives of millions.The Pakistani establishment itself, namely the Army does not respond to its civilian gov’t and cannot be trusted, as they are almost a rogue nation unto their own, as history has shown. The question then becomes, is when is Obama, or Clinton going to develop contingency plans, when the core of the Pakistani establishment decide to go rogue one day with the nukes for their own selfish reasons. Even if India does nothing to Pakistan ever, while they collapse, it is pretty clear that Pakistan intends to lob a few nukes at India, while it collapses. If they cannot survive as a country, the terrorist Punjabi Junta in Pakistan intend to inflict whatever damage they can on the way down, even though it is unprovoked.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Give more billions to the Pak army and pretend not to see the China-Pakistan-NKorea nuke exchanges. Problem doesn’t exist!What was Washington / CIA doing for last 30 years? Pay the price now. Who is fighting in Afghanistan!

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It’s not the nuclear weapons that keep me up at night. It’s the petri dishes and nuclear materials in x-ray machines and the like distributed at universities throughout Pakistan with an increasingly radicalized student base, that worry me. I am of the view (and I am far from alone in this), that sooner or later we will see terrorist attacks originating in Pakistan that involve chemical, biological or radiological agents.Letting a nuke slip would have very grave consequences for Pakistan…not in the least because nuclear materials can be traced. Anthrax handed off to bunch of terrorists cant be tracked, however. It doesn’t even have to be that deadly. Add cholera to an enemy’s water supplies and you could bring them to their knees without really killing that many people. Nobody can track university students and all the little experiments they conduct. The Pakistanis had better hope that when these jihadis eventually perfect such know-how that they don’t decide to test it out at home first.

Posted by Keith | Report as abusive

The author seems to be living in his fantasy by describing a very far fetched scenario which is highly unlikely to happen. Maybe REUTERS do not know the real story behind The taliban and also RAW’s funding to provoke terrorism through fake jihadi groups. The Pakistani governmnet has given proof of RAW’s involvement in the “terror on Sri Lankan cricket team”. I would be really happy if the author or REUTERS come up with an article on that.

Posted by Sana Baig | Report as abusive

I think reporters like you are nothing but supporting the islamists but spitting out garbage. Pakistan Army is a very diciplined force.It was initially supporting the Taliban, but lately is beating the crap out of them. It really does not matter, as what is important is that the Pakitani public is opposed to the Islamists which were a creation of the CIA, and are still being financed by the Wests drug dealer Saudi Arabia (Dealing in oil just like a crack dealer)

Posted by Tariq Ahmad | Report as abusive

Myra:We know the Pakistan Armed Forces are probably the best institutions functioning in Pakistan with a good level of efficiency. Lt Gen (retd) Khalid Ahmed Kidwai heads the SPD(Strategic Plans Division) located in Chaklala Garrison in Rawalpindi. Time and again Pakistan has projected that nuclear weapons are under an excellent command and control system and there is no chance for unauthorized access. Neither Pakistan’s weapons are under threat of siezure nor does Pakistan poses any threat as far as nuclear weapons are concerned. Pakistan has a policy of minimum credible detterence, The nuclear weapons are for defensive purposes restoring balance of power with India where conventional difference does not matter anymore since Indian military is much larger.You know in April when it was being said that Pakistan is abdicating to Taliban on 24 April this was the statement given by Army Chief Gen. Kayani:http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main .asp?o=t-press_release&date=2009/4/24“Wh ile addressing the participants the COAS stated that he was aware of the doubts being voiced about the intent as well as the capability of the Army to defeat the militancy in the Country. He made it clear that Pakistan Army never has and never will hesitate to sacrifice, whatever it may take, to ensure safety and wellbeing of people of Pakistan and Country’s territorial integrity.”"He condemned pronouncements by outside powers raising doubts on the future of the Country. A Country of 170 M resilient people under a democratic dispensation, strongly supported by the Army, is capable of handling any crisis that it may confront. He stated that the victory against the terror and militancy will be achieved at all cost.” (quote: Gen Kayani)Everyone should know that Pakistan Army has fought back and retook areas from terrorists, ultimate sacrifices were given by officers and men. There should be no doubts about Pakistan’s future or about its Army or nuclear weapons. A stable, true Pakistan is only gurantee for regional peace.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

The obvious solution is to increase troop numbers in Afghanistan and then to attack Iran.

Posted by Peter H | Report as abusive

Sana Baig,Pakistan has not given any dossier to India for its supposedly alleged role in the terrorist attacks in Pakistan. This story ran its course in Pakistani media without any confirmation from the governments.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

It’s very clear that Pakistan is a nuclear ticking time bomb. My best friend and his family are leaving the country this year as he feels it’s just a matter of time before he see’s a mushroom cloud there….It’s not nice at all living with the fear of nuclear war (i did that through the 80′s cold war) so it’s best to get as far away from it was possible. I only hope it does not escalate into something wider, we are all doomed if that’s the case!

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It is unbelieveable to see these type of articles again and again, “Pakistan’s nukes in Islamists hands”. The only purpose of these seems to simply enhance the “selling of the news” by making them shocking, alarming and juicy. These have no touch with reality. And you get to read so many “experts and fortune-tellers” talking about the future happenings in their valued comments. We should certainly use our time in some other constructive business.

Posted by Numan Amir | Report as abusive

Pakistan’s nukes will never fall into the hands of any terrorist group. Our military is not made up of rag-tag mercenaries. It is one of the most disciplined militaries in the world. Pakistan has survived due to its armed forces. All this dooms-day scenario can be applied to any country, including the US. It only took one George Bush to wipe out American credibility and respect across the world. Invasion of Iraq was the most arrogant gesture shown by the Bush administration. We are safe as far as the nukes are concerned. No matter how divided we may be, all Pakistanis are unanimous in protecting our sovereignty and pride. Our nukes are our pride. No one can touch it. The Western media simply spreads rumors and conspiracy theories in the name of freedom of expression. I can bet they too are in the pay rolls of their intelligence agencies. Pakistan will do fine. No go and work on your problems.

Nikhil:Seems line Gilani has given something to Singh about RAW. Pakistan’s attempt for parity with India now extends to giving dossiers. “Ulta chor kotwal ko daante” (Pot calling the kettle black).http://timesofindia.indiatimes.co m/NEWS/World/Pakistan/Proof-of-RAW-terro r-acts-given-to-India-Pak-paper/articles how/4807278.cms

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Pakistan touted its nuclear bomb as the Islamic Bomb. One cannot dery the obvious intentions behind its Islamic bomb… annihilation of Indians, Israelis and Americans. I totally agree with the defence studies that if the establishment falls into the hands of islamists, either democratically or by a military takeover, it will be a grave danger for the entire world.

Posted by Rohit | Report as abusive

Isn’t Pakistan going N Korea way by using nukes as a bargain chip to get more financial aid from international community? What if more countries follow suit and start black mailing the rest of the world? How long can the world afford to be blackmailed by rogue states?

Posted by Sunny | Report as abusive

Until and unless Pakistan moves on from its fanatical obsession about Kashmir and its dreams of parity with India, it cannot solve its own anarchic problems. Its elected government of the day is too weak to repudiate the misguided policies of the past. What is needed is for Pakistan to embark on a bold new path that leads to tackling the grave problems facing its society and its people. Only its military and the intelligence agency, ISI are strong enough to call a permanent truce with India and then get their politicians to start the work to build a civil and educated society with a single minded pursuit of economic development for its people. The US needs to work with and persuade the Pakistan military and ISI towards this goal urgently to avert a potential nuclear nighmare arising from the militants taking over a failed state.

Posted by Anil Bhalla | Report as abusive

It isn’t who’s in charge today that matters. I don’t doubt that Kidwei, Kayani, etc. are reliable folk who understand the consequences of loosing a nuke. It’s tommorrow that should concern us.Every army draws its recruits from their society. These recruits come with various beliefs, personal attributes, etc. What happens as Pakistanis becomes more and more radicalized? And what happens as the Punjabi heartland becomes more radicalized? It is entirely realistic to fear that some day the world might wake up to a highly Islamist Pakistan Army, which does not think its a big deal to proliferate nuclear material, nuclear technology, etc. Given Pakistan’s history of proliferation to rogue states, it’s really not that much of a stretch to imagine a more radicalized Army leadership proliferating to terror groups.I firmly believe that in my lifetime, I will see an Islamist terror strike originating from Pakistan that either involves chemical, nuclear, biological or radiological effects…if the present trajectory for Pakistan’s development holds.Deterrence won’t work either. You can deter suicide bombers. And you can’t deter societies that think along those lines either. A Pakistani society that cares more about doing damage to India or the US or the UK, can’t be deterred by threats or retaliation. If Pakistanis radicalize further, then it is conceivable that someday Pakistanis will start dreaming about nuking New York, London or Mumbai regardless of the consequences for Lahore, Karachi or Islamabad. Are they that crazy yet? Most certainly not. Could they get there? Unfortunately, yes.

Posted by Keith | Report as abusive

Myra,I think you and all blogger (Except Keith) have missed the worst and more likely scenario i.e Pakistani jihadist using dirty bomb to attack Western/Indian interests.It doesn’t need an Einstein to build a dirty bomb. Pack some N-material in conventional bomb and let it explode. N radiations will do the rest.It just require a small leak in the chain to steal N-material and then Pak can easily blame it on Non-state actors. How long can we save dynamite stored in a house on fire?

Posted by chirkut | Report as abusive

@The obvious solution is to increase troop numbers in Afghanistan and then to attack Iran.”- Posted by Peter H-Bad suggestion. Do you want all the fundamentalists to joint hands and play against US in continuous battlefield from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Mr.Anjum says —- >No go and work on your problems.ACTUALLY, Mr.Amjum, we ARE working on our problems.Our problem is your terrorism. The whole world’s problem is your direct sponsprship of terrorism or terrorist attacks planned and carried out from your country.Mr.Anjum says—-> “Pakistanis are unanimous in protecting our sovereignty and pride”YOU lost your soverignty when a foreign govt slams missiles and drones into your territory and you meekly protest. You lost your soverignty when your budget is drafted in Washington DC and Brussels. This is not to insult you, but ask you not to indulge in hyperbole here when you try to impress people.Mr.Anjum says—> “I can bet they too are in the pay rolls of their intelligence agencies”.LOL!!! Myra needs to respond to this.On a final note Mr.Anjum, we gneuninely don’t have anything against you or your country if you can live peacefully with the land you got.Alas, I am yet to see any of your posts on your country’s education status, economy, industry, etc. It’s all about, Kashmir and sundry declarations of war, pride, get off our backs, etc etc.You need to get off of other people’s backs before you ask them to return the favor.

It’s about time, the world wakes up & seizes control of the nuclear arsenal of the rogue, failed & bankrupt state of Pakistan. Pakistan’s track record clearly shows that it’s an irresponsible & untrustworthy nuclear proliferating nation. If it’s radicalized & belligerent generals don’t use them against one of our allies or us, it’s corrupt army will surely sell it to Al Qaeda or other terror outfits (that’s if they haven’t already). I hope the west wakes up before it’s too late. The world should no longer be held hostage to the whims of a morally bankrupt rogue nation, who has nothing to show for during it’s entire existence except assembled nukes made from stolen technology.

Posted by Costanza | Report as abusive

Pakistan army surrenders to Taliban again .. and accepts a peace dealhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asi a/8160803.stm

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Pakistan’s nukes will never fall into the hands of any terrorist group.-mohammad AmjunThat might be true. However, what use are your nukes against the terrorists that your country created and nurtured?You cannot talk about your own country’s sovereignty when you passively protest against drone attacks. Your Pak Army needs these US drone attacks if they are to remove the terrorists from Pakistan.You, Pakistan, had lot of nerve wanting India to move its troops away from our side of the border inorder to relieve pressure on your side. You had to ask Amreeka to do it. Considering the Mumbai attacks were conducted by terrorist group that YOU created and nurtured. That you now hide under a charity umbrella, not one Indian soldier will move from the border. Above this Pakistan has no right to tell another country what to do on its soil when it cannot even control the tyrants rampaging on its own. There is a HUGE mistrust between India and Pakistan. Pakistan still views India as enemy number one when Taliban (made in Pakistan) were murdering Pakistani civil servants in Swat.Pakistan is still holding on to the belief that IF it helps Amreeka on its War On Terror, then it can ask Amreeka to ‘force’ India to the Kashmir Talks Table. This is not going to happen. The US had stated very ‘clearly’ that India is not part of its Af-Pak strategy. This will also cause the USA great embarassment, forcing the world’s largest democracy to the negotiating table with a country that harbours terrorist groups against it. Especially after the Mumbai attacks. Pakistan believes it can do this AND still contiue with proxy wars across the borders. A country is poor state as Pakistan cannot be in any position to demand anything. They are just playing the ‘terrorists-will-take-over-the-country-i f-you-do-not-give-us-money’ card’.

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

Problems in Pakistan? What problems? The nukes are as safe as an investment in houses (or commercial property)!http://www.spiegel.de/internat ional/world/0,1518,638083,00.html

Posted by Peter H | Report as abusive

Pakistan has no usable Uranium ore for certain. So who gave them a couple of nuclear weapons? Answer China. These have little impact on India as she is mainly a rural land. The danger is to the Western urbanized countries.

Posted by H. S. Rathore | Report as abusive

The 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks were first conceived on the third floor of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) headquartershttp://www.metransparent.com  /spip.php?page=article&id_article=7706& lang=en26/11 Mumbai terror court proceedings in Pakistan in secrecy (no press) because Pakistani intelligence agencies don’t want any relationships with the jihadis to be aired in publichttp://in.reuters.com/article/worl dNews/idINIndia-41309520090725

Posted by Andy | Report as abusive

Keith brings about an excellent point. As Pakistan itself becomes more & more radicalized, illiterate & intolerant by the day, it won’t be too long before it’s army starts reflecting the traits of it’s civil society (if not already). After all the soldiers recruited in the army don’t come from another country or planet but from within Pakistan itself. They have grown up on the same falsehoods, hateful ideology & distorted history, that the rest of Pakistanis have. Unless Pakistan miraculously abandons it’s anti-India & anti-west ideology and starts becoming moderate (which I don’t see happening), it’ll be just a matter of time that the Pakistani army (and not Al Qaeda or any other terror outfit) represents the biggest danger to the world. The world needs to take a serious note of this & defang the Pakistani army & it’s poisonous ISI, while it still can or it’ll be too late.

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ISI foments chaos in neighbouring countries: Adm Mullenhttp://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx? id=101605&sectionid=351020401

Posted by Andy | Report as abusive

Myra,The Pak Army is not decapitating the Taliban leadership, therefore they are enabling, helping them and arming them.It is a matter of time until a rogue nuke or dirty nuke hit India or the West.The world needs a unified response plan against the terrorist Pak Establishment who creates and uses proxy terrorism and create the Taliban. The world needs to sanitize Pakistan, if this happens. A massive unified Global Attack force must be able to de-nuke and flaten the Pak Army, if it ever comes to a failed Pakistan.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

I clearly see a long term game plan in the works. Unfortunately, all forces seem to be uniting against Pakistan.Firstly, the feelers are sent out in the form of media. This article is an example. Suddenly there an increased attention towards Pakistani nukes falling into the wrong hands. All these years, the same forces did not care what we did with our nukes. Unfortunately their opinion is wrong. Pakistan’s nukes will never get into the wrong hands. They are only meant for defensive purposes. They are there to make sure that another Bangladesh does not happen.The American led forces have hit a brick wall in their war on terrorism. Eight years have gone and nothing has progressed, other than instability inside Pakistan. And this instability is not created by Pakistan. It is very clear that it has been created from outside to arm twist Pakistan. But Pakistan has nothing to lose. Our military has co-operated in every way to fulfill the wishes of the imperialistic powers. Yet patience is thinning out.World economy has collapsed and does not seem to show much promise of recovery. Questions have to be answered at home about a war in a far away place. British soldiers are already writing letters to their mothers about hurting their little fingers. Soon American soldiers will follow suit. They will want a quick and face saving exit from the region. It doesn’t matter what happens to the people in this region. They can choke each other and die. They had done it before when the Soviets were defeated in 1989.I strongly believe that the think tanks in Washington and London are working on a long term plan – either create a war between India and Pakistan and let them choke each other to death. Everything will get burnt to ashes in the bargain. Or dismember Pakistan. An internal strife inside Pakistan will help accelerate the process. If Balochistan or NWFP is independent, who needs Pakistan’s help? The US can attack those barren regions with impunity and wipe out its enemies quickly. So it has been using India’s hand in setting the ball rolling, with its consulates inside Afghanistan and what not.To prevent China from stepping in, I am sure the Uighur riots have been triggered by the RAW/CIA/Mossad nexus in Western China. Why would Pakistan be engaged in that region when it is fighting the Taliban?Once the provinces inside Pakistan begin to burn and spin out of control, the Israel/US/Indian forces will try to take out our nukes in the pretext of them falling into the wrong hands. Once the nukes are removed, Pakistan can be stamped with boots.Good luck. It is not going to happen. Pakistanis have a lot more resilience. We have been under-estimated before and we have proved people wrong. And we will prove them wrong again. War in Afghanistan broke the back of the Soviet Union. Now it is the turn of the US and its imperialistic allies. They will bleed and go broke as well. Pakistan will remain. We can take on hard life. It is the American soldiers who get hurt on sponges that need to worry. And Indians better be careful. One wrong move from your side, and Pakistan will make you remember the consequence for a long time. Enough said.

60 years of Progress ..India contributes $14bn to IMFhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/N ews/Economy/At-14-bn-India-goes-generous -with-IMF/articleshow/4809784.cmsPakista n asks IMF for another $4.2bn loan in addition to the original $7.6 already approved.http://news.xinhuanet.com/engli sh/2009-07/21/content_11746709.htmPakist an's ambassador to the US, called for a $30 billion Marshall Planhttp://www.humanevents.com/article.p hp?id=32579

Posted by Ravi | Report as abusive

The nation of Pakistan is rapidly turning into the personification of a suicide bomber, who doesn’t care about it’s own well being any longer but salivates at the prospect of bringing everybody down with it. This dangerous sentiment is reflected in the comments of quite a few Pakistanis on this blog & elsewhere. All they ever seem to do is, blame others for their own sins & threaten the world with their nukes. Something needs to be done about this rogue/failed state fairly quickly. I hope Obama & other world leaders grasp the severity of the situation in Pakistan & the danger it represents.

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Pakistan is not conducive for Pakistanis: ZardariZardari has advised Musharraf to defer his plans of returning to Pakistan until “conducive conditions prevail”,http://www.nation.com.pk/paki stan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online  /Politics/25-Jul-2009/Zardari-declines- Musharrafs-wish-list

Posted by Patrick | Report as abusive

There are no worries for Pakistan and USA-Pakistanis don’t have ICBMs to hit USA. Worries are only for India and Indians because Fundamentalist Islamists in Pakistan hate Indians more than anything else.

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Daniel Harris:”Something needs to be done about this rogue/failed state fairly quickly. I hope Obama & other world leaders grasp the severity of the situation in Pakistan & the danger it represents.”Yes something really needs to be done fairly quickly, the auto industry in the US has collapsed, Ford and GM have filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy and are restructuring. Canadian communications giant Nortel has gone broke and sold out to Europeans, the US economy is in tatters despite multibillion dollar stimulus packages.Is the situation in Pakistan too severe? How many times did doom and gloom has been predicted about Pakistan, six months back the prediction was Pakistan will implode, collapse and bankrupt in six months. Today, Pakistan is still standing, managing its Internal displaced people, fighting counterinsurgency grappling with economic challenges. Once again it has been proved Pakistan is NOT going to falter.Obama and the world leaders might want to sort out their economic woes and climate change problems, do something about world peace, reduce their nuclear stockpile of weapons. Pakistan knows how to take care of itself, maintain balance of power and keep its enemies in check.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Mr.Anjum says—> “I clearly see a long term game plan…LONG RAMBLE…Good luck”.IN 1944-45, as the Allied forces were scoring victories, Hitler got more and more delusional, injected himself with more and more amphetamines, and pursued war strategies with more vigor. That’s how yours, pak army/ISI mindset today is.The western governments have no interest in you if you stop being a terrorist safe haven. You wouldn’t allow rays of reality penetrate your mind.Mr.Anjum says—–> “We have been under-estimated before and we have proved people wrong”.THE TRUTH is the opposite is true. You have consistently overestimated your strength and underestimated your enemies. All your problems can be summarized in one phrase- PUNCHING ABOVE YOUR SIZE. You have tryied to wear XXXL size clothes when your size is S.Mr.Anjum says—->”We can take on hard life”.YOU CAN? YOU DO? Are you taking a hard life now?!!It seems you think people here don’t read news about Pakistan. While you pursue war mongering in lavishly furnished cantonments, enjoying luxurious life style, the poor people of Pakistan are rioting on the streets on power outages. 62 years of policy making by the likes of you means chickens are coming to the roost, things are piling up so much even in textile industries are leaving Pakistan allowing Bangladesh and Srilanka to overtake.Mr.Anjum says—-> “And Indians better be careful. One wrong move from your side”FOR A CHANGE, read neutral history if you want reality to penetrate your mind. 1948, 65, 71, 99, 2008 everytime “wrong moves” were taken by you not by Indians. Each time India came out stronger.

To prevent China from stepping in, I am sure the Uighur riots have been triggered by the RAW/CIA/Mossad nexus in Western China. Why would Pakistan be engaged in that region when it is fighting the Taliban?Once the provinces inside Pakistan begin to burn and spin out of control, the Israel/US/Indian forces will try to take out our nukes in the pretext of them falling into the wrong hands. Once the nukes are removed, Pakistan can be stamped with boots.-Mohammad AnjumAll mouth and no trousers. When you live in a glasshouse, you should not throw stones. You should not forget that it is the USA that is balancing your economy along with the IMF. As for the RAW/CIA/Mossad part about Uighurs. That is nothing except the baseless ranting of a jihadi-minded, maddrassa-eduacted, AK-47 wielding fool. Once the provinces inside Pakistan collapse (your words), do not come running to India for refuge. You have never proven people wrong because each time you have been BAILED out of trouble: IMF loans, US loans, Saudi oil payments deffered.Take a look at this on YouTube: The Disease Spreads – Pakistan.

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I clearly see a long term game plan in the works. Unfortunately, all forces seem to be uniting against Pakistan…..- Posted by mohammad AnjumYour statements & conspiracy theories are so darn out of line, delusional & outrageous that a response would be a sheer waste of one’s time & intellect. However, I do appreciate the comedic entertainment that you bring.

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@mohammad Anjum:From your comments, all I can say is that if you are young enough to pick a career in Pakistan national/foregn policy, Pakistan’s nightmares of foreigners destroying Pakistan will turn into reality.@World economy has collapsed and does not seem to show much promise of recovery.-How does the recession bother Pakistan who still is getting billions in aid from recession-hit US/UK/China/IMF?

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It is imperative that the present government in Pakistan is helped to contain al Qaeda and Taliban influence. Further Pakistani nuclear weapons need to be secure and on no account reach terrorist hands. India has shown great responsibility and restraint as a nuclear power and one hopes Pakistan could do the same. In fact the ball is on the Pakistani court. The Pakistanis need to stop terrorists from crossing over to India and creating mayhem and destruction. The two countries should bury the hatchet especially over Kashmir and collaborate on joint-venture projects. This would take time but should be explored. Peace in South Asia between the two nuclear giants could be the death knell for extremist groups like the Taliban and al Qaeda.

Mr. Pancha Chandra: “The two countries should bury the hatchet especially over Kashmir and collaborate on joint-venture projects. This would take time but should be explored. Peace in South Asia between the two nuclear giants could be the death knell for extremist groups like the Taliban and al Qaeda.”I beg to disagree sir. I don’t think you are aware of the hegemony in your words. Basically you are telling us that India is a big country, it will do whatever it wants and others in the neighborhood should just take it and get on with their lives. You are telling me that East Pakistan was separated out by Indian involvement, so bury the hatchet on that and move on. Indian troops took two thirds of Kashmir which was meant to join Pakistan and we are told simply to accept the reality and move on. So the policy is to do the damage and sit on it for a few decades. The the reality changes enough so that people can be told go get along for “practical reasons.” You need to understand it from a Pakistani perspective. We were never allowed to form a nation completely right from the beginning. Kashmir was ours (it still is ours) and your leaders sent in the troops and staged an eye wash dance drama to put things on hold. Then they put several Kashmiri leaders under house arrest. In East Pakistan, there was no need to create Bangladesh. On top of that your government tried to flex its muscle in 1974 by exploding nuclear bomb. That is when we decided to take your country on. And whatever we have done has been to achieve parity and prevent your country from pursuing the long term goals of destabilizing and destroying Pakistan so that your theory of a dedicated Islamic nation being wrong can be proved. This is what we are up against and we know very well that everything that has happened so far is based on that underlying attitude. First your national leaders and citizens have to change your mindset and attitude. That is the first step towards any reconciliation. We are not alone here. Sri Lanka and Nepal have suffered at your hands as well. Just like you are wary of China, we have every right to be vary of you. And thank God, we have the nukes and better weapons to protect us. Musharraf in his recent interview has mentioned that Kargil was a success story from Pakistani perspective because it forced the Indian government to come to the negotiating table. We will not mess with you, if you do not mess with us and you have. Hence this war of attrition between us.

the only solution for Pakistan’s problem is already written in their constitution, which was mention as the State would ruled according to Islamic Law, Impose this law & see the results.

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Umaid said:”Yes something really needs to be done fairly quickly, the auto industry in the US has collapsed, Ford and GM have filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy and are restructuring. Canadian communications giant Nortel has gone broke and sold out to Europeans, the US economy is in tatters despite multibillion dollar stimulus packages.”Please Stop spreading half baked news, its reuters not PTV-2. FORD has NOT filed any bankrupcy, They sold JAGUAR and LAND ROVER to Indian company TATA a couple of years back. GM has filed for BANKRUPCY PROTECTION and not for bankrupcy and US has already bailed it out.IF US can FEED 170 Million Pakistanis each and everyday for so many years, they can save their companies any day. Dont compare yourself with Americans, you are begging and they are giving.You also said”Is the situation in Pakistan too severe? “TOO SEVERE ? Are you kidding, we read Pakistani news and watch Pakistani channels, we watch telecast of bomb blasts and Cricket team ambush. We also see your people burning cars of fellow pakistanis due to power outage. May be you are out of touch to media these day.”How many times did doom and gloom has been predicted about Pakistan, six months back the prediction was Pakistan will implode, collapse and bankrupt in six months.”For getting hit by recession, you need an ECONOMY, Countries living off aid do not have any effect of recession,FYI you are already bankrupt. Your budget depends on 4.2 Billion $$$ loan from IMF. Bankrupcy predition has proven true. You will see other two predictions happening very soon. Good luck for that day.Amen.

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i can clearly sense the kinda of hatred towards from Myra, Keith & many other so called “Muslims”, (Truth stands out clear from error) May protect the people who are fighting for Islamic State, As a Muslim for me there is only one Law acceptable that is Allah’s Law, All ur Nukes,CIA’s,FBI,Russia,China,Israel,Indi a are a Drop of Urine in the sight of a true Believer, @Why should a Soldier come with a Bible in him Hand Preaching in a Muslim Country?This is the Only reason Y the war’s are going on for Centuries, will By Allah’s grace will continue, till the infidels are either destroyed or accept the religion of Jesus,Moses,Mohammed peace be upon all of them.

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“Yes something really needs to be done fairly quickly, the auto industry in the US has collapsed, Ford and GM have filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy and are restructuring. Canadian communications giant Nortel has gone broke and sold out to Europeans, the US economy is in tatters despite multibillion dollar stimulus packages”- Posted by UmairYour immature comments are not only fallacious & ignorant but also quite delusional & baseless. I guess you’re getting a steady diet of these falsehoods & half baked lies from your generals & mullahs. As a Pakistani, please don’t point your fingers at US & in the process try to bite the hand that feeds you. I really don’t find the need to go into the strength of our economy with the denizen of a failed & bankrupt state which has no credit whatsoever, to its merit. Let me just put it this way; It doesn’t really matter that a few of our industries and/or companies get wiped out because our economy is big enough to absorb such shocks & emerge stronger. A few buckets out of an ocean don’t drain it. And BTW, you need to get outta your radical shell & read some real news because the economy is actually on the rebound & by most estimates will recover by next year. I would actually suggest that you start hoping that we rebound cuz if we don’t, your ‘aid’ will be in trouble.”Is the situation in Pakistan too severe? How many times did doom and gloom has been predicted about Pakistan, six months back the prediction was Pakistan will implode, collapse and bankrupt in six months”- Posted by UmairI don’t know what cave you’ve been living in because Pakistan IS actually imploding & it IS actually bankrupt. You guys are surviving on IMF credit line & foreign aid, so please get your facts right before going on a senseless diatribe.

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The conventional military balance is tilted far in India’s favor. India has achieved numerical and qualitative superiority in many military categories, particularly in mechanized ground forces and in attack aircraft.It has a two-to-one advantage in tanks and a three-to-one advantage in modern tanks. India also has true infantry fighting vehicles, giving its mechanized infantry much more firepower and mobility than the Pakistani infantry.The two-to-one overall advantage in aircraft grows to almost a six-to-one advantage when one compares just the most modern and capable aircraft – a category in which Pakistan lost its earlier edge after over a decade of U.S.-led international sanctions.This disadvantage is very significant because Pakistan has little strategic depth; that is, many of its strategic assets are close to its border with India.-Strategic Insights, Volume II, Issue 2 (February 2003)

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Musharraf in his recent interview has mentioned that Kargil was a success story from Pakistani perspective because it forced the Indian government to come to the negotiating table. We will not mess with you, if you do not mess with us and you have. Hence this war of attrition between us.-mohammad AnjumYou truly are deluded. Both Indian and Pakistani PMs WERE talking over Kashmir all the while your precious Mushy boy was planning the Kargil attacks. So how could the Kargil attacks have forced India to the negotiating table when BOTH coutries PMs were already talking about it?Jammu & Kashmir are parts of India, Pakistan has NO rights over these territories. You, Pakistanis and Jinnah got your piece now live with it.As for East Pakistan, did you really expect India to put up with over 3 million East Pakistani refugees? Did you really think for ONE second that they would return if East Pakistan remained after the genocide your Pak army caused?As for the 1974 nuclear bomb trials, at least they were developed in India and not from STOLEN plans from Western countries. Your precious ‘Father (THIEF) of Islamic Bomb’ is unwelcome in world.Your nukes are not going to protect you from any Taliban resurgency. If one Pakistani city falls to the Taliban, are you going to drop a nuclear bomb on it?India has never wanted to destabilize Pakistan because Pakistan is doing a wonderful job on its own. India is still a developing country. Our economic reforms brought in a lot of foreign investments. Even after the Mumbai attacks staged by Pakistanis, India is attracting investments. I cannot say the same for Pakistan with in IMF begging bowl.Since when does India need to change its mindset? Need I remind you that it is Pakistan that told Amreeka that they will only fight against the Taliban if India moved its troops away from the border. Since, when should India move its soldiers at Pakistan’s behest after Pakistanis KILLED over 100 people in Mumbai? The same Pakistanis whose mindset is stained with LeT garbage. The same LeT that received ‘moral’ support from the Pak govt and Pak Army. If you shoot at my house do not expect me to lower my gun.

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To prevent China from stepping in, I am sure the Uighur riots have been triggered by the RAW/CIA/Mossad nexus in Western China. Why would Pakistan be engaged in that region when it is fighting the Taliban?Once the provinces inside Pakistan begin to burn and spin out of control, the Israel/US/Indian forces will try to take out our nukes in the pretext of them falling into the wrong hands. Once the nukes are removed, Pakistan can be stamped with boots.-Mohammad AnjumCan you share what you are smoking with the rest of us? That kind of paranoia might honestly require medical attention. You should get that checked out. And while you are gone, don’t worry we aren’t going to make a brag for your nukes. As long as you aren’t proliferating, smuggling them to terrorists and repeatedly threaten to nuke your neighbour of a billion souls next door, the rest of the world is not to worried. It’s talk like your delusional ramblings here that make us wonder whether Pakistanis are sane or if we are dealing with another Iran.——————————————Yes something really needs to be done fairly quickly, the auto industry in the US has collapsed, Ford and GM have filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy and are restructuring. Canadian communications giant Nortel has gone broke and sold out to Europeans, the US economy is in tatters despite multibillion dollar stimulus packages.- Posted by UmairDon’t worry about us. We’ll be fine. In case you haven’t heard Canada still has RIM among many other multinationals and Ericsson is buying up Nortel and setting up shop in Ottawa. And we are already starting to emerge from the recession:http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/ 2009/07/23/bank-canada-economy-recovery. html———————-Is the situation in Pakistan too severe? How many times did doom and gloom has been predicted about Pakistan, six months back the prediction was Pakistan will implode, collapse and bankrupt in six months. Today, Pakistan is still standing, managing its Internal displaced people, fighting counterinsurgency grappling with economic challenges. Once again it has been proved Pakistan is NOT going to falter.- Posted by UmairPakistan is still standing because of an IMF bailout and other assistance by the FDP. Can you imagine what would have happened if those packages had not come through?—————————–Obama and the world leaders might want to sort out their economic woes and climate change problems, do something about world peace, reduce their nuclear stockpile of weapons. Pakistan knows how to take care of itself, maintain balance of power and keep its enemies in check.- Posted by UmairIn case you haven’t read a newspaper lately, Obama and the other Western leaders are doing their best to tackle many of the problems you mention. Obama has even gone so far as to pledge a further reduction in the US nuclear weapons stockpile. The concern today is not about state on state nuclear war. It’s about the ability of emerging nuclear powers to be responsible with nuclear. Pakistan’s history on this front hardly inspires confidence. Hence the concern of the world (and not just Western nations by the way). And if the ramblings of your countrymen like the one above are any indication, things are going to get worse not better in the years to come.

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The current situation in pakistan does not augur well for the future between the two nuclear armed south asian neighbours.Pakistan always tries to rationalise their attitude towards India by using the “K” word but they are not ready to face facts.The frankenstein monster of “terrorism” which they had created to wage a proxy war against India and achieve other strategic objectives has come back to bite them hard.My message to the civil society of pakistan which i think has got some sanity is that your threat for God’s sake is not India but these islamist militants and army-isi elements that back these filthy animals who will one day gobble up your country so please focus on taliban,let,jud,jem and all extremist elements in the army, isi who will never allow the democratic sytem to evolve and sustain in pakistan (as has been the case in the past) and finish them because this a terrorist syndicate we are dealing with.I know that the road ahead for a fragile pakistan civilian government is not an easy one but atleast try and make things easier for yourself by coming out of the India syndrome and getting your priorities right.I appeal to the people of pakistan that our societies are not much different from each other so let us stop this war mongering and try and help each other in flushing out these terrorists.India has it’s own problems but here it is the law of land that finally prevails but i am afraid that it is not the same in pakistan. There is growing anarchy in pakistan and If 26/11 like attack is repeated anywhere in the world be it India, US,Russia,UK then Pakistan will be converted into a radioactive hell by America and all these global powers and i am afraid China will not come to pakistans rescue as some of the pakistanis are claiming.India does not want this but if pakistan fails to act then the world will so the sooner pakistan acts against these extremists the better it is for them as the biggest threat is to them and not anyone else.Pakistan always says that they will nuke India in case of a war but don’t they have the common sense to understand that India has now achieved second strike capability with the emergence of a nuke submarine and also has a decent missile defence capability and all the nuclear sites of pakistan are well within the striking range of the much more sophisticated IAF and last but not the least can their economy which will put uganda to shame sustain or afford a war.The answer is a loud and clear “NO”.Pakistan wake up before your country is run by the goons.

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Arun KumarKeep your hollow threats to yourself and dont tell us the strength of IAF, we know how strong it is with its junk MiGs taking the lives of Indian pilots. Pakistan is not responsible for terrorist attacks elsewhere, and remember Pakistan too has nuclear weapons and knows how to deal with its enemies. We want to live in peace, with honour and dignity. Stop your chest thumping hollow rants of ‘we will do this, we will do that-” if you can do anything screw it, just do it. So far you are all talk but no action.Long Live Pakistan!

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Umair,Please don’t be a hypocrite. What about your:-Pakistan nukes-Pakistan F-16s-Pakistan 170 million strong population-Pakistan forcesNone of the above are helping you against the Taliban nor your country’s economic failings.

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@Pakistan is not responsible for terrorist attacks elsewhere”-posted by Umair-Well then consider that Kashmir has been solved.

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Boy does the West love scary dreams or what. No Pakistani is going to allow any foreigner to grab our nukes no matter what, so why all this talk of “securing” or “evacuating” or “falling into terrorist hands?”. Pakistani dont give a damn.

Rajeev”Well then consider that Kashmir has been solved.”-Rajeev,not quite yet, Kashmir is an outstanding dispute and scores will be settled. Kargil brought India to negotiaitng table, its upto you if you want to solve it on table or the battlefield. But Pakistan needs a solution of Kashmir.

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Umair Wrote:”Kargil brought India to negotiaitng table, its upto you if you want to solve it on table or the battlefield. But Pakistan needs a solution of Kashmir.”Keep on telling lies and we will bust em right here, till you lose all of your credibility or gain some of the reality.India and Pakistan were already speaking on Kashmir, under AB Vajpayee’s Govt, you know we resumed the bus service and Kashmir trade channels, even allowed your actors and singers to make some money from bollywood.Coming back to Kargil, How did Kargil (a battle you lost) bring them to negotiation table, when they were already at it. Would you enlighten us ?India was ALREADY negotiating it on TABLE while Mushy bring the WAR. Its PAKISTAN who don’t want a solution of Kashmir, because if Kashmir drama is over, how will Pakistan Army eat up country’s resources.You guys even did not own the Kargil earlier. Starting a War and disowning it is the MOST LOWLY THING a General can do. You refused to accept dead bodies of your soldiers cowardly during that war and Now you are bragging that Kargil brought us on Negotiation table.

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@Rajeev“Well then consider that Kashmir has been solved.”posted by rajeev-Rajeev,not quite yet, Kashmir is an outstanding dispute and scores will be settled. Kargil brought India to negotiaitng table, its upto you if you want to solve it on table or the battlefield. But Pakistan needs a solution of Kashmir.- Posted by UmairUmair: you did not get my message. you said “Pakistan is not responsible for terrorist attacks elsewhere”. Umair, Pakistan is a terrorist-sponsoring country.Period. There is no polite way for me to say it. Well if not, then what’s the problem. What did India delink from peace process?–terrorism. So you are conveniently repeating Musharafs’s statement “Kargil brought India to negotiating table”–That guy is guilt-ridden general who is making desperate attempts to earn brownie points by misleading Pakistanis through these achievemnets. You are in mess precisely because of him–he did not have the spine to say no to WOT. Here are the facts–India-Pakistan were happily on the negotiating table and then Musharaf did Kargil. He can feed this stuff to you guys alright, but do not serve to anyone else. Only potential value of Kargil war was to disrupt the already going on peace talks. Look at the chronology and then make statements. Rest, why don;t you use little restraint in shouting empty statements of bravado. They have comical value to me to any Indian to say the least! and I am not getting into this old off track discussion from you–I had that in detail in the past. I have my quota of the jokes for the day. Wars-overt or covert-never significantly harmed India. And pause to look at the damage it did to pakistan. Overt created B-desh, covert put you in this trouble. and now the angle of terrorists from Punjab/Pakistan is showing up. The only thing that can save Pakistan from this is to kill all the jihadi leaders in multiple strikes. It is not if it when that terrorists will start working in Punjab like in SWAT. The beginning is there from the planned killing of Christians.

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Vajpayee and his govt never negotiated over Kashmir, they only held talks with Pakistan. Kargil brought the Indians to the Kashmir table with the aim of resolving the dispute.@Daniel HarrisSix months ago, folks like you were claiming that Pakistan will implode in six months and be taken over by Taliban. Time for you to eat crow.

Aamir Ali,The rest of the world will keep in turning and Pakistan will keep on begging. Your country is is being held back from the brink of bankruptcy by US aid, IMF loans and Saudi oil payment defferments. It is the US and the IMF that decides how your country’s economy is run. Keep begging for relief from the terrorism YOU created that is eating you up.

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Myra,Any future financial aid should be tied to transparent and open denuclearization and demilitarization from Pakistan, under the IAEA and international monitors.In return, India should give security guarantees, that it will not attack Pakistan unprovoked, except in retaliatory fashion only.This will keep Pakistan honest and allow it to focus its energies on productive, non-military and non-jihadi endeavors.

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@BulletfishUS aid is voluntary and IMF loans are small. Pakistan can survive without both but if folks are willing to help then why not ? Pakistan certainly deserves a few dollars as opposed to bailouts in the hundreds of billions for insurance companies and banks.Getting back to topic, this doomsday scenario makes for entertaining reading and even a good Bollywood film, but is very unrealistic. Nukes are not grenades to be stolen in some raid and then used the next day.

@Getting back to topic, this doomsday scenario makes for entertaining reading and even a good Bollywood film, but is very unrealistic. Nukes are not grenades to be stolen in some raid and then used the next day.- Posted by Aamir AliDear Aamir Ali: I agree it is etertaining but only until one does get vaporized by the heat of the nuclear bomb. Actually nukes can be used vey much like grenades, if you ever heard about the dirty bomb—No nuclear warhead, no missile, no sophisticated technology needed. Suicide bombers will kill each other for the honor of using Dirtybomb instead of regular bomb. Now all that is needed is committed terrorists, terrorist sympathizers in the Nuclear facilities and the right (wrong) kind of political atmosphere for them to collaborate. Not a fictional stuff; more probable than knocking down WTC–who thought about that.@US aid is voluntary and IMF loans are small. Pakistan can survive without both but if folks are willing to help then why not ?—say thanks for the aid atleast. you will collapse without aid. Foreign aid, like a drug, dictates your survival and the bad news is you are addicted to it and take it for granted and feel no shame in asking. you guys call USA imperialist but the way you ask money, you yourself act like another state of USA. Once the aid is completely stopped, Pakistan will become a jungle and you guys will kill each other for self survival. China gives money where money grows, not where it goes in black hole–so do not count on them. Alternative is not so easy for you which is to grow up and be self reliant. My wish on Pakistan’s independence day is stable Pakistan, but only if that does not hurt India. Feels bad to say that since India is 1 day younger than Pakistan.

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PM Gilani calls for urgent US aid for IDPs without stringshttp://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/conne ct/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakist an/09-gilani-calls-for-aid-without-strin gs–szh-09PM Gilani urges U.S. to write-off debthttp://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-A fghanistan-Pakistan/idUSTRE5543JX2009060 5Pakistan Air Force will induct four Chinese midair refuellers, four Chinese AWACS, 250 Chinerse JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft soonhttp://www.sindhtoday.net/news/1/401 82.htmNew Pakistani Govt Motto: “US feeds us proudly, We feed Chinese Proudly”

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This is a mind opening post. De-nuclearisation of both India and Pakistan is a must. If Islamist are a problem in Pakistan. The Bajrang Dal(RSS, Shivsena and other extreme right wing Hindu groups) are a serious threat to the stability of the world. These groups possess the same evil Al-Qaeda has. They are evil to the core of their beliefs, religion and principles. These are the guys who killed Gandhi. See if they are not going to leave Gandhi do you think they will let the world pass. Another time the BJP led right wing groups comes to power in India the Indian economy will be in a downturn and a destabilization of the world is the only way Indian economy can be brought up. It is simple to understand… blow up a small nuke in New York, business move to Mumbai and Bangalore. Think hard to understand the evil we are appeasing in India.