Manmohan Singh’s Pakistan gamble

July 30, 2009

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has staked his political reputation on talks with Pakistan, earning in equal measure both praise and contempt from a domestic audience still burned by last November’s attack on Mumbai by Pakistan-based militants.

“I sincerely believe it is our obligation to keep the channels of communication open,” he said in a debate in parliament on Wednesday. ”Unless we talk directly to Pakistan we will have to rely on a third party to do so… Unless you want to go to war with Pakistan, there is no way, but to go step-by-step… dialogue and engagement are the best way forward,” Singh said.

That may sound like fairly anodyne stuff. But to recap, Singh signed a joint statement with Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani at a meeting in Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt this month in which both ordered their foreign secretaries — their top diplomats — to hold more talks to improve relations. Singh however also said the formal peace process — the so-called composite dialogue – could not be resumed until Pakistan took more action against those who organised the Mumbai attack.

The outcome was pretty much what was expected from the talks in Egypt, effectively forming a stepping stone between an ice-breaking meeting between Singh and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari on the sidelines of a regional summit in Yekaterinburg in Russia in June and the next international forum where senior politicians from both countries will be present — September’s U.N. General Assembly (though Singh is not personally expected to attend.)

But what has outraged the political opposition in India, along with large sections of the media, has been the specific wording of the joint statement.

The first allegedly offending reference is contained in the part of the statement which summarises what each prime minister said during their talks: ”Prime Minister Gilani mentioned that Pakistan has some information on threats in Baluchistan and other areas.”  Outsiders may find this hard to follow but the mention of the “B” word has been portrayed as Indian capitulation to Pakistani accusations that it supports a separatist movement in the Pakistani province of Baluchistan, an allegation India denies.

The second allegedly offending reference is as follows: “Both prime ministers recognise that dialogue is the only way forward. Action on terrorism should not be linked to the Composite Dialogue process and these should not be bracketed.”

Nomatter how many times I read that sentence, I still find it has all the ambiguity of an Escher painting. It can mean either that India will talk to Pakistan without waiting for it to take action on terrorism, or that Pakistan should take action on terrorism without waiting for India to resume the formal peace process.

Thousands of words have been written about the meaning of this sentence, along with the “B” word, in the last two weeks since the joint statement was issued. (And to keep it in perspective, that’s considerably less than the many words which have been written about the exact timing, details, circumstances and implications of the Instrument of Accession signed by the Maharajah of Kashmir pledging his kingdom’s allegiance to India in 1947.)

But to get back to the bigger question of Singh’s approach to Pakistan - his admirers say he has proved himself to be a great statesman; his critics that he naively caved in to Pakistan.

The Hindu newspaper said he had accomplished the impossible with his speech in parliament by silencing his critics while leaving himself the flexibility for a step-by-step approach to relations with Pakistan. “Essentially, what the Prime Minister’s remarks have done is create room for the government to be flexible in its approach to Pakistan, giving it room to calibrate the pace of engagement to the degree to which Islamabad moves ahead on its commitments to act against terror,” it said.

“In the fullness of time, Dr. Singh’s response to the debate will be seen as a potential game changer in India’s official discourse on Pakistan, especially his emphasis on the inevitability of engagement, his clarity on the fact that the alternative to dialogue was war, his fear that the absence of peace with Pakistan would hold back South Asia and allow foreign powers to get involved in the region, and his recognition of the need to strengthen Pakistan’s civilian leaders. On all these points, the Prime Minister is far ahead of his advisers and, perhaps, of the “national mood” that retired diplomats and generals still fighting the battles of the past.”

Indian blog, The Acorn, summed up however how far many thought Singh had taken too big a risk with his speech in parliament in the face of intense pressure to either back down or distance himself from the joint statement.

“So he stood his ground, and didn’t make use of the lifelines that were created for him by the foreign ministry,” it wrote.

“Whether he intended it or not, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has made himself personally vulnerable. Whether he intended it or not, his Sharm-el-Sheikh lollipop is a gamble: if there is another Pakistan-originated terrorist attack during his tenure, Dr Singh will be thrown to the dogs by his own party; if there isn’t one, as the phrase goes, Singh is King.”

For a man in his late 70s, who had a coronary bypass this year and who is expected to hand over power eventually to a younger generation of Congress party politicians clustered around Rahul Gandhi, the fear of being forced to resign may weigh considerably less than the possibility — however remote it might seem – of a peace deal with Pakistan.

And he is not alone in taking a risk on Pakistan. When the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was in power, Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajapayee made repeated attempts to make peace with Pakistan and won respect for doing so.

Where he is perhaps alone is in running so quickly against the tide of popular opinion.  His gamble appears to be that Pakistan is on the cusp of change and by failing to seize the moment, India might lose it altogether.

Right now, he has international support running in his favour. An improvement in relations between India and Pakistan could help underpin stability in Afghanistan at a time when backing for the U.S.-led war is flagging on the home front as the United States and Britain face their worst monthly losses since the Afghan war began. The United States, wary of being seen to interfere overtly in relations between India and Pakistan, is expected to continue quietly to bolster peace efforts.

So the timing, as astrologers might say, is auspicious.

Veteran Indian journalist M.J. Akbar quotes what he says is an old Sufi saying: “When you are trapped in a vicious circle, draw a larger one around it.”

Can Singh and his Pakistani interlocutors complete the circle and succeed where so many others before have failed?

(Photos: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh; on the Line of Control in Drass; the Taj in Mumbai and Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee meets his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif in Lahore)

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Clearly, the ball is Pakistan’s court now. India has taken the first step & now Pakistan needs to reciprocate. I believe that we are at a crucial juncture with regards to Indo-Pak relations. If Pakistan brings a speedy justice to the perpetrators of Mumbai & dismantles groups like LeT, it’ll go a long way towards establishing credibility with India, which it never had & relations between the 2 could get drastically better. On the other hand, if Pakistan (like in the past) drags it’s foot with sham arrests & trials & fails to dismantle LeT etc., talks will stall & relations will not improve. And if there’s another attack in India by LeT or another Pakistani terror group, it could most certainly lead to war. So, Pakistan needs to step up to the plate & prove it’s sincerity if it really wants good relations with India. Manmohan Singh has indeed taken a gamble with Pakistan & it’s in Pakistan’s interest in making sure that the gamble pays off.

Posted by Mortal | Report as abusive

Myra,I doubt that the risky manouvere by Dr. Singh will succeed. Despite Indian consessions, I’m not convinced whether India and Pakistan are on the same plane searching for common objectives through dialog. Pakistan wants the dialog with India so that it can move its troops to the Af-Pak border and please the US; its paymaster. India wants the dialog so that the terrorist infrastructure against it is dismantled by Pakistan and hopefully give chance for peace in Kashmir.

Posted by Nikhil | Report as abusive

It seems the gentleman and statesman is also a gambler. Who’d have thought. It seems curious to me that he conceeded the point on Balochistan but then did not seek stronger language on Pakistani support for anti-India and Kashmiri Jihadi groups. But that’s a different matter. He has gambled and now the whole world hopes its pays off. I don’t doubt that Zardari is sincere. And surely there are many Pakistanis who are sick of war and would love to just make the line in the dirt permanent and move on. However, whether the military is there yet remains to be seen.

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No matter how much Mr. Singh advances to the negotiation table there will not be a single new situation. My question is–Has pakistan ever tried to curb all activities which it is carrying out for more than 60 years now? Let me give you answer too– a big NO. Mr Vajpayee went all the way to lahore and what he got…a back stabbing in form of kargil, then the kandhar hijacking and then attack on our parliament.Even if we let it go how can we forget Mumbai not for one reason but for multiple reasons let it be local train attacks or last year attacks or whatever.I can still remember the talks of one of the terrorist to a news channel during mumbai attacks in which he was openly challenging India.. how dare he? If pakistan is really striving to put a check on terrorists then why doesnt it act. A mere declaration in front of global media won’t prove anything.India wants results and nothing else will do.I can’t imagine what would be the situation if there is another Mumbai type attacks. Just Think!!

Posted by shanky | Report as abusive

It is a good gesture by Indian Prime Minister and Pakistan has already been showing its response by working on the Mumbai terror attack investigations to the best of its ability. Pakistan has a major task on its hands – that of wiping out terror mechanisms that threaten our country. Our military is heavily engaged in the combat operations. Yet Pakistan too has come forward to work with India. This must be recognized and appreciated. Mr. Singh is a wise man. He realizes that a nuclear armed Pakistan with one of the best militaries in the world, can only be dealt with through negotiations. When mutual strengths are recognized and respected, only then true negotiations can begin. India has begun to recognize Pakistan’s strength. I welcome Mr. Singh for opening better ties with Pakistan. Hopefully cricket diplomacy can start soon. Indian cricket team should visit Pakistan and from there we can go one step at a time.

This is just a publicity move from both India and Pakistan, with years of hatred fodder and all pak miseries attributed to India/West/Israel, I don’t expect anything out of these actions. Manmohan singh is a learned man, but he still wants to give a shot. We had tried previously like the Agra summit, but the Pak Army had other back-stabbing-plans during the talks. It doesn’t matter whether it is done by ISI/Pak-Army and sarcastically doesn’t help to shift the blame game after the act is committed.Integrity, accountability and reputation is what I see when dealing in the diplomatic spectrum, but Pakistan is on the other end. There is no point going forward in such environments, only to be stalled two steps back.Until there are sound systems in place in Pakistan to keep a tab/root out militant activities coupled with sound govt and a productive population and a thriving economy.Itz not all rosy yet, still it is a Gamble. I hate Gambling.

Posted by Praveen | Report as abusive

Having been born in what is now Pakistan, Manmohan Singh’s approach is perhaps more emotional rather than purely diplomatic and political. He has made his feelings and his views clear enough. Has his speech cleared the reservations many in India have on the joint statement? Perhaps 50%.However, the one thing I have not understood is why was so much hype raised by earlier in saying no talks till wee see action? That point was not covered at all – the unseen hand surfaces. All he did give was justifications for talking to Pakistan, which no one denies in any case.As far as the Balochistan reference is concerned, I agree with him totally. Why shy away from any discussion? Some see it as a backdoor admission of complicity, I see it as saying upfront that if you have anything to say put it on the table. The amount of kite flying that has already taken place on this, specially about dossiers etc has been exposed for what it is. Trying to make capital where none exists. I think the world is quite aware of as to which side tweaks and spins yarns. The more it does so, the more it exposes its true colours. In fact the onus is now Pakistan to reciprocate Manmohan Singh’s gesture and goodwill in word and deed.

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A gambler is nothing but a man who makes his living out of hope. ~William BolithoDo you expect Saudi Arabia to stop selling oil? do you expect Switzerland to close down its banks? Do you expect China to close its manufacturing units? do you expect India to shut down its IT companies?Then why on earth do you stubourn optimists expect Pakistan to close its IT industry (Islamic Terrorism)??? Look at the history, their economic boom period started during the Afghanistan war and thier current lifeline is the US and foreign AID.The picture of Vajpayee and Shariff has the word “BACKSTABBER” written all over it. Look at the facts, the same Shariff is due to be thier PM again, Hafeez Sayyed is free again, not a single senior Taliban leader has been arrested. Can any one tell me why??I dont blame Pakistanis its become part of thier nature, but I blame the rest of the world for being so gullible.

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No matter how many times India makes first move toward Peace, friendship and prosperity, Pakistan is never going to give up hatred policy. Its their bread and butter, one cannot expect them to stop eating. Pakistan always want one chance after every terrorist attack and India never runs out of it. How can India/Pakistan delink talks from terror, when Pakistan keeps its stance of providing “moral” (actually immoral) support to Terrorist groups formed only to confront India.Mr. Singh is trying to play Gandhi against wrong audience. If you show second cheek to Pakistan after it slaps first, Pakistan will happily slap second one, they will also break your nose and poke into your eyes.You cannot be Gandhi to Pakistan unless you are GANDHI IIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvLcoz LwtEI am sure Mr. Singh will learn his lesson in next one or two years.

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Well said Indian1127!It is still not clear to me what type of moderation policy you have here. Don’t know why you didn’t post my earlier comment.Mr.Anjum says—> “that of wiping out terror mechanisms that threaten our country”The key word is “our” here. You’ll continue to run terrorist training camps to threaten neighbouring countries and the rest of the world?Mr.Anjum says—> “only then true negotiations can begin”.Define here what “true” negotiations mean. Basically you are reiterating using terrorism as an instrument of state policy even though it has not yielded none of the dividends you had hoped for. For example, on Nov 28-2008 if you noticed the Indian news papers did not run headlines like these:”India should give Kashmir on a platter to Pakistan”"Let us negotiate with Pakistan”Mr.Anjum says—-> “Indian cricket team should visit Pakistan and from there we can go one step at a time”.ON THE CONTRARY.2 reasons why Indian team should not visit Pak.First, it is insane to do so from the security perspective.Second, the cost for your sponsorship of terrorism needs to be escalated. The US and rest of the world finally decided to expose you Mumbai. Not sufficient, any one who thinks Pakistan will stop terrorism is living in fools’ paradise.If Kasab had not been caught alive you would be here spinning yarns BJP did it or Indian muslims did it.Costs include financial costs, and diplomatic costs. Rational arguments to persuade you to stop terrorism haven’t worked. PCB losing millions of dollars by India cancelling tours, ensuring you don’t get to host World cup games are part of the deal.

@ AnjumThis statement that India has recognized Pakistan’s strength is very confusing and delusional. You must understand that India wants to talk to Pakistan because leaders in India are not war hungry people. This should open eyes of all Pakistani people that India does not have any sinister plans against their country and it wishes them well. Pakistan should recognize it and must stop all anti-India activities on its soil. This would be a true test of Pakistan’s strength. This tendency of always trying to be paired with India is very detrimental for Pakistan. Pakistan as a nation has its own place in the world and they should explore that.

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The sudden unexplained resumption of dialogue is as harmful as any freeze on dialogue. Every terrorist attack on Indian soil is followed by a halt in the dialogue process; the thaw eventually follows a few ministerial meetings. The structure and format of dialogue between India and Pakistan is not working. Politicians on both sides proudly claim to re-start the dialogue process from where it was left; but it unfortunately also ends at the same point – random disruption.Before anything else India and Pakistan will have to agree on how make the dialogue process partially immune. It needs to be decided when and to what extent dialogue will be stalled if undesirable events occur. It is wishful to think that the bilateral relations will free from strains. So the most sensible approach is to discuss what strains can break the dialogue process. India, more than Pakistan, needs the structural disciple for conducting the dialogue. India needs to realize that the dialogue process can be made contingent on other aspects bilateral relations beyond visible acts of terrorism. India will have to shift focus from ‘conducting dialogue’ to ‘conducting result-oriented dialogue’. Celebrating India-Pakistan dialogue is one thing; reaping dialogue outcomes is quite another.http://thetrajectory.com/blogs/? p=693

Mohammed Anjum says:”It is a good gesture by Indian Prime Minister and Pakistan has already been showing its response by working on the Mumbai terror attack investigations to the best of its ability. Pakistan has a major task on its hands – that of wiping out terror mechanisms that threaten our country. Our military is heavily engaged in the combat operations. Yet Pakistan too has come forward to work with India. This must be recognized and appreciated. Mr. Singh is a wise man. He realizes that a nuclear armed Pakistan with one of the best militaries in the world, can only be dealt with through negotiations. When mutual strengths are recognized and respected, only then true negotiations can begin. India has begun to recognize Pakistan’s strength. I welcome Mr. Singh for opening better ties with Pakistan. Hopefully cricket diplomacy can start soon. Indian cricket team should visit Pakistan and from there we can go one step at a time.”–>Does this mean that Pakistan promises to stop proxy terrorism? Please end your pre-occupation with your nukes, they will not protect you from the U.S. or India. The best way to preserve and protect Pakistan is to live honestly and peaceful with India and stop all forms of terrorism on Pakistani soil, for destinations outside of Pakistan, where-ever they are. Also end the institutionalized hatred of India, racism of non-muslims and stop so-called “moral” support of terrorist groups in Kashmir.As Pakistan continues to lie and cause more terrorism, which it is planning, as we speak, the BJP WILL return to power. Whether they do or not, is the choice of the liars and terrorists in the ISI and Pak Army, who both fuel, supply, feed, support, train and army terrorists, who butcher unarmed civilians.I am still shocked at how gullibe Mr. Singh, Mr. Obama and his “Special Envoy” Mr. Holbrooke is. The Liars of Pakistan, they keep changing, are always trying something new to keep India in a “softened” state.The question is, how long is the U.S., Mr. Singh and Congress going to entertain the liars in Pakistan?This new gamble by Mr. Singh, although I respect him and like him, is going to fail as Pakistan is already planning the next offensive against India and were looking for any crack they could find.Mark my words here today, 100%, India and the U.S. will once again be back-stabbed by Pakistan in the peace process by rogue/non-rogue state agencies or state/non-state actors, you can call them what you wish.Pakistan will repeat Mumbai again and try to absolve themselves of responsibility again.You can’t have peace with people who have no sense of the word, and no concept of what the word actually entails and means and the responsibility that comes with it.It is funny how Pakistani bloggers who once stood by the Taliban and supported them, now all of a sudden change their position, once their liar Army starts to show the U.S. and world that they are fighting them.

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As far as Balochistan is concerned, we ask that Pakistan send credible, detailed dossiers with verfiable evidence, so that the world can scrutinize it under transparent and open terms.It is time that Pakistan turns its conspiracy stories into facts and show them.

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Putting in plain words – it is a foolish attempt(gamble whatever) by Congress and all this is going to Slumber. My country has lost all the self respect.

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Anjum says: “Pakistan has a major task on its hands – that of wiping out terror mechanisms that threaten our country.”Are you hinting that Pakistan is not interested in wiping those terror mechanisms that threaten OTHER countries?You also said “India has begun to recognize Pakistan’s strength.”It’s not just India, but the world has begun to recognize Pakistan’s strength, though in creating,nurturing and exporting terrorism.Singh is a sincere man. He was right when he says there is nothing wrong to include Balochistan in the document when there is nothing to hide. That is the strength of truth that Indians believe in(“Satyameva jayathe” in Sanskrit meaning “truth prevails/wins”).If it had been Zardari who is the supreme power,not just on paper, then things would definitely improve. But why would your military allow peace to prevail when it needs the enemity brewing for it to call the shots? The real change would come only when the Pakistanis start supporting the civilian government more and oppose the military openly by ‘long march’ or any other means. As long as they choose to be fooled by military propaganda saying India is a threat and would attack anytime, it is hard to have peace between two countries.

Posted by Sunny | Report as abusive

..have you tried to draw anything in water, circles, lines or geometry,..anything…!!!!you might have noticed, it is like simply wasting time and effort…so given that fact, both countries knew(at least Pak), the composite dialogue will be more futile, without including “K” word…and now surprisingly “B” word also came…so, now both teams can blame so much effectively on each other…We dont think another mumbai type attack will hold patience of Indian government…India is a responsible democratic nation, and never think her broad mindedness as its weakness…God bless India…

Howsoever genuine Mr. Manmohan’s gesture are by giving that joint statement, we should not forget that it was the same Indian government that stopped the peace talks in wake of Mumbai terror attacks. Why this back-tracking now?I support peace totally but I’d be very grateful if somebody can explain what exactly happens when we say that India and Pakistan are having peace talks. Shouldn’t the media in both countries should be “directed” by governments to facilitate change of attitude towards each other. After all, its the people of both countries that make the country and not the land mass.If people believe that peace can happen with just a neutral attitude towards each other, I think we are mistaken. With so much hate-promoting “content” in place for current and future generations, it will come back to first resent, then distrust and then hatred every time a “Mumbai” happens.Again, this gamble can prove to be great if Pakistani leaders can eradicate this intense hatred towards India (something which is incomprehensible, though). Both countries should share there history textbooks to be reviewed by the other country and unless we have a consensus on what kind of history is being taught in the schools of both countries, even hoping for peace or friendship in next 100 years would be foolish.

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Indian leader’e mere accepting that war is not an option with Pakistan anymore and that negotiations are the way forward is a big victory for Pakistan. Pakistan must now move forward for honourable negotiations with India and settle all disputes. But one cannot clap with only one hand. Indian leaders must show sincere attitude.

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@Pakistani Bloggers, especially Mohammed Anjum,You said:“that of wiping out terror mechanisms that threaten our country”–>This is exactly what the world hates about Pakistan and discussing peace with Pakistani bloggers. You Pakistani’s care about ridding terrorism that affects YOUR country, does that mean you will continue to create terrorism, that can still hurt “other” countries, like India, Afghan and U.S.?, PLEASE CLARIFY.Pakistan has done nothing concrete in stone to get any respect from the world. Talk is cheap. Show us and leave us in AWE, with your capacity to engage real, true peace, prove us wrong, if you can, that is what we ask. Quit hiding behind excuses.Pakistan does not deserve any respect, just because it has nukes, so does North Korea, while its people starve and have lost potential, just like the people in Pakistan, being bled dry by the punjabi mafia in uniforms. Respect MUST be earned, not given just because you say you are worthy of it, there is a difference, please realize that.As I said earlier, I deeply respect and like Mr. Singh, he is an extremely intelligent man and willing to take a political risk, I got to give him applause for that.Much to his dismay, Pakistan WILL disappoint and LIE. LYING is a cultural norm in Pakistan, please don’t be offended, that is all we see of Pakistan, flip flops, incoherence, flat out lying, proxy wars, Pak State Agencies blowing up consulates, Pakistan building nukes while getting IMF and USA beggar bowl handouts and LeT members not getting arrested and Taliban leadership still roaming free and terrorist safe havens still being intact.Mr. Singh’s loving overtures to Pakistan, maybe good for Pakistan, but Pakistan is too incoherent and dis-unified to be a credibly peaceful country. I believe Pakistan will use this new olive branch as an excuse to plan another “Kargil” misadventure against India, this time Pakistan’s next Kargil against India will likely be much more organized and many more will die on both sides and if this happens, Pakistan will be dismembered once more.You can’t make peace with liars. The onus is on the liar to come clean, offer a clean slate and offer the olive branch. India has been on the up and up and focused on productive endeavors.The world expects the Taliban leadership delivered on a platter, anything else, is just Pakistan leveraging, buying time for a more favorable condition for another misadventure upon India. We don’t believe in you, you have given us no reason to.

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Pakistan’s Hypocrisy on PeacePakistan declines to hand over 42 Escapees including Dawood Ibrahim and other criminals to India. Some of these criminals are also wanted by US/UN. These criminals continue live under ISI protection in Pakistan.http://internationalreporter.co m/News-5061/why-pakistan-declines-to-han d-over-42-escapees-including-dawood-ibra him-.htmlhttp://www.ndtv.com/news/photos  /album_details.php?AlbumType=PHOTO_GALL ERY&AlbumTitle=India's%20most%20wanted

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I can understand PM Manmohan Singh’s approach, but one thing that is beyond my understanding is why India-Balochistan link appears but Pakistan-Let-Mumbai link does not. Is it lack of solid evidence by India for the training of LeT by Pakistan?PM Singh said, “I am not accusing the present Pakistani government of involvement but as far as past history is concerned, I did say there were elements [from the establishment] that were involved. BUT I DID NOT ACCUSE THE PRESENT, DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN OF THIS,” May be he did not want to include Pakistani govt without direct solid evidence. But so many yrs of LeT operation and India does not have a link.—that’s poor. Being a PM, Singh directly controls RAW and knows that the allegation of India’s alleged involvement in Balochistan is BS, he would be comfortable with handling that. Well, Holbrooke already said Pakistan gave no credible evidence to prove.I agree that talking is the way to go. Soon India will have to deal with Pakistan with increasing number of diplomats, leaders from post-Zia period. Same fear is expressed by a Pakistani blogger in a Dawn blog “The problems we have now will seem like childs play compared to the problems that are to come once Generation Zia have taken over. Have the lunatics taken over the asylum yet?”So we should get over with it before India needs psychiatrists in addition to diplomats in the delegations.But Manmohan Singh has hit the ball as hard as he could and it is all for Pakistanis to play for while. What they do in response should be noted. But that cannot be known since it does not matter what Gilani/Zardari says. What matters is what Pakistani Army/ISI is thinking and Singh will never know about that.

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Umair says—> “Indian leader’e mere accepting….negotiations are the way forward is a big victory for Pakistan”.GOOD TO KNOW, this huge victory is making you happpier. We have been desperately eager to see you happy ..At Last.Umair SAYS—>”Pakistan must now move forward for honourable negotiations with India and settle all disputes”.YOU don’t have a monopoly on honor. India and its people also have honor. This has been addressed repeatedly on this blog and elsewhere for 62 years.Umair says—> “But one cannot clap with only one hand. Indian leaders must show sincere attitude”.On this one there can be no disagreement. Indian leaders and its people also want results oriented sincere talk. Once the terrorists and their backers involved in the Mumbai attack are brought to justice, India should begin results oriented dialogue with Pakistan army/ ISI on the core issue of pak sponsorship cross border terrorism in all the Indian states including J&K. This way the democratic governments in India and Pakistan can work towards economic development, upliftment of the poor, etc.

peace talk stoppd between india and pakistan onli cuz …tht was the onli option present in front of u.p.a government or else they wud be losing the elections !!mr P.M was best suited for other ministry (economy) holding the post for the sake of sonia gandhi ….and now talks startd again cuz …mr P.M dos’nt know other means to stop terrorism …..he could have taken stringent action till action was taken on the pakistani side …!! india’s gonna get nothing out of this ……a clear stupid bargain on india’s side and celebration time 4 pakistan …got another state balochistan….. & kashmir …if india says in itz next dossier “pakistan plz take action against terrorism” then the reply dossier v”ll get “phehle balochistan ka mudda ” uske baad kashmir ” phir uske baad attankwaad ka mudda” !!! they(pakistan) just need matter”s to delay the probe …an are successful in it … their forign policy”S is good ……..better than india!!GOD ….BRAINS REQUIRED FOR RUNNING A COUNTRY NOT NOT OLD AND DUSTY DEGREE”S WITH DOCTORATE DR.SINGH

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I see a lotta pessimism on this blog about whether Pakistan will keep it’s end of the bargain & not back-stab India like it’s done many times before. I, for only would like to be positive but given Pakistan’s track record, it’s certainly a difficult preposition. I feel that for Pakistan, Zardari seems to be the guy, who is keen on having good relations with India but I very much doubt that the Pak army/ISI are on the same page with him. I also doubt whether Gilani is on the same page with him as more often than not, he also parrots the army sponsored anti-India rhetoric.In any event, I think that this is the last chance Pakistan has. Dr. Singh has gone out on a limb to defend the peace process with Pakistan but if there’s one more back-stabbing incident, it’ll be curtains for dialogue & peace & probably for Pakistan as well.

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Robin says:”Pakistan declines to hand over 42 Escapees including Dawood Ibrahim and other criminals to India. Some of these criminals are also wanted by US/UN. These criminals continue live under ISI protection in Pakistan. “Mr. Robin, Pakistan does not have any extradition treaty with India and under Pakistani law, Pakistani citizens cannot be handed over to Inida. Pakistan will try the accused in its own judicial system and outsiders including India have no right to interfere in the judicial proceedings in Pakistan.However, Pakistan is a member of Interpol, what India can do is work through the interpol HQ and request Pakistan to look into the matter of Dawood Ibrahim.If Brahamdagh Bugti and other Baluch sepratists can be aided and protected by RAW in Kabul, whats wrong with Dawood Ibrahim being the guest of ISI in Karachi?

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@But one cannot clap with only one hand. Indian leaders must show sincere attitude.”- Posted by UmairUmair: I guess your definition of “sincere attitude” by some screwed up analysis is giving Kashmir on a platter to Pakistan. Given what PM Singh has done, he already extended his hand and the onus is on you leaders to do the same.Bajpai got kargil, let us what Singh gets. Singh also has favored PEACE instead of PIECE. This Indian strategy as you already know is not very popular in India and PM Singh knows but he still went ahead. It is time Pakistan (whoseover rules it) understands it and move on for its own sake than earning those points through statements from public and media in Pakistan. Status quo is affordable by India but it is financially taxing for Pakistan and will trouble Pakistan internally. Feeding the sankes and sharpening up their fangs costs (foreign) money. Plus you might not want Lahore turned into Swat.

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People: Give peace a chance. But scholars who know the international chessboard predict that it is the end of the best phase in Pakistan and the beginning of formally landing into the hands of fundamentalists/Taliban/Al-Qaida/fundame ntalist ISI and other Lashkars- truly secular United Jihadist Council. In that case the chance for Pakistan to become Chinese Colony are much higher who will preserve their interests in central asia–keep in mind Gawdar port in Balochistan by China for China. Peacefully divided Pakistan with Balochistan, Pakhtunistan as free countries is OK with China but not the disintegrated Pakistan.Cheers!

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“If Brahamdagh Bugti and other Baluch sepratists can be aided and protected by RAW in Kabul, whats wrong with Dawood Ibrahim being the guest of ISI in Karachi?”- Posted by UmairSpoken like a true criminal minded, terror-abetting, conspiracy-concocting, uncivilized & immoral Pakistani. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that any Baloch separatist is supported by any Indian agency (if you have proof, please provide instead of repeating the same nonsense like a schizophrenic) whereas as you just admitted, Pakistan’s explicit & implicit involvement with terrorists (wanted by India) like Ibrahim, Mahmood Azhar etc. is known to the entire world. With citizens having such a criminal & belligerent attitude, no wonder Pakistan has gone to the dogs & has become a failed/rogue/terrorist state. It’s time, we officially declare Pakistan a ‘Rogue Terrorist State’.

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Umair says—> “If Brahamdagh Bugti and other Baluch sepratists can be aided and protected by RAW in Kabul, whats wrong with Dawood Ibrahim being the guest of ISI in Karachi?”IF ANY one still is wondering why pakistan invites special epithets like “failed state” “rogue state”, etc Umair has once again clarified it for every one.#1. Dawood Ibrahim is a citizen of Republic of India living in Pakistan. Bugti is a citizen of pakistan living not in India but in Afghanistan.#2. Since early 1990s after carrying out out Mumbai blasts with help of ISI, Dawood Ibrahim has been living living in pakistan with ISI protection. There were no Indian consulates in the 90S when pak puppets Taliban terrorists were ruling Kabul.#3. There has been a long standing Interpol warrant on Dawood Ibrahim. There is no interpol warrant on Bugti.http://www.interpol.int/public/Dat a/NoticesUN/Notices/Data/1993/93/1993_14 193.aspHere is an excerpt from the Interpol warrant.”UN SanctionsPursuant to Security Council Resolution 1267 (1999) and successor resolutions, including resolution 1822 (2008), the Subject is under the following UN Sanctions: Freezing of Assets, Travel Ban and Arms Embargo. The Subject has the following permanent reference number on the list maintained by the UN Security Council Al-Qaida and Taliban Sanctions Committee (1267 Committee) which appears in the Special Notice for this subject: QI.K.135.03.”

Is Baluchistan the next Bangladesh?Any amount of spin is not going to hide the human rights violations in the former East Turkmenistan or Balochistan.”We know that Pakistanis are now fighting the Pakistani Army everywhere in their own country quite conveniently labelled as religious extremists under the guise of fooling Americans but is it really true that their only identity is born and bred Islamic terrorists? Not at all!”http://www.balochwarna.com/modules/ articles/article.php?id=1802

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Robin writes:”Is Baluchistan the next Bangladesh?”Mr. Robin, certainly not, this time ISI will make India pay for it if India interferes in Baluchistan. If you want northeast, assam, Kashmir you will keep your hands off Baluchistan. You decide which way you want it. And Baluchistan pretty much remains in Pakistan’s control, the BLA(Baluchistan Liberation Army) is no match for Pakistan Army.

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“Mr. Robin, certainly not, this time ISI will make India pay for it if India interferes in Baluchistan. If you want northeast, assam, Kashmir you will keep your hands off Baluchistan. You decide which way you want it. And Baluchistan pretty much remains in Pakistan’s control, the BLA(Baluchistan Liberation Army) is no match for Pakistan Army.”———Umair Posted:So what you are going to do this time. Kill each and every Baloch who wants separate Balochistan, Like you guys did in Bangladesh. How it is different from Bangladesh then.Balochistan is a Bangladesh in making, you accept that or not. Pakistan never imagined that Bangladesh genocide will lead to new country until 1971. Pakjabis kept on exploiting Bangladesh and rejecting Bengalis valid share of power. The steam was building gradually and it exploded later on. Its just a matter of time, you see repetition of Bangladesh events, There may or may not be an Indian supported Mukti Bahini but results will be same. Considering Pakistan’s status as “rougue state” now, even US or UN can interfere if there is a genocide of Balochs.

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@Umair”if India interferes in Baluchistan. If you want northeast, assam, Kashmir you will keep your hands off Baluchistan. You decide which way you want it”What a show of useless attitude. Its people like you (and I’m sure there are many), who will destroy any constructive arguments with their close-minded repetition of same statements again and again w/o adding any more weight to it. Hindi word for that thing is “Kutark”!INDIA DOES NOT INTERFERE IN BALUCHISTAN AND WILL NOT DO SO. However, Indian government has given many dossiers to Pakistan citing involvement of terror groups operating from the soil of Pakistan and till date, there has been hardly any concrete action on bringing those terrorists to the book.First your government denied role of any Pakistanis (understandably though) and then calling them non-state actors and then denying the proofs given by Indian government. I know you don’t deny it which is evident by your “Assam, north-east, and Kashmir” remark but I’d love to see you post a line admitting that Mumbai attackers were from Pakistan. Now that would be showing some sincere attitude towards resolving conflicts with fellow bloggers it not between nations.And how about responding to Raj’s comments re: citizenship of Dawood for a change?

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Hey Umair, read this:”Richard Holbrooke, the US envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, has also come to Mr Singh’s aid by saying Pakistan has provided no credible evidence of Indian involvement in Baluchistan.”(Sunday Times (UK), 31/07/2009)Our (Indians) hands are free off Baluchistan.

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“Pashtunistan is the solution to the Afghan war”http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/ article/ALeqM5jLVaYirWiTko5N9FLZ5iC47oFN kQD99Q74DG0

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Balochistan Memorandum TO UN”Balochistan, the land of the Baloch people, was forcefully annexed with Pakistan, through a military operation, on 27 March 1948. The Baloch people have been struggling for their right of national self-determination since then.The atrocities of Pakistan army in Balochistan have a very long history. The Pakistan’s rulers have denied every right to the Baloch people. They colonized their motherland, looting their natural resources”http://www.balochwarna.com/mod ules/articles/article.php?id=1797

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Pakistanis blames Iran and Russia for Baluchistan unrest…http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/top ic/isi-and-iran-role-in-baluchistan-unre st

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Three baloch leaders were kidnapped and murdered Mid-day by ISI …http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2009/ 04/killing-of-baloch-leaders-by-isi-balo ch.html

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@Robin writes:“Is Baluchistan the next Bangladesh?”Mr. Robin, certainly not, this time ISI will make India pay for it if India interferes in Baluchistan.”-says UmairUmair: Utter failure is a short answer for the ISI achivements. The bad news for you is that ISI is doing the best it could and can do no better than it already is doing, while Indian Research & Analaysis wing can really turn the heat on Pakistan and add to the problems of pakistan. ISI/Army achivements are 1) no hope for getting the support of majority of Kashmiris, 2)Pakistan’s half hearted/mock attempts to target Taliban further exposed the Pashtun IDPs to the ethnic divide, setting Pakistan ripe for Pakhtunistan. 3) Balochistan is an unending story starting from before 1947 and India or anyone can help them. Poor guys need little help against the much powerful Pakistani Army but only if India let you move the army from the border with India (few statements by India will take care of that). 4) Baltistan up in the north is another problem for you. Poor guys need political right and need to be part of the polictical process. The situation is just as bad as it was in E. Pakistan. Geographical locations of the troubles says that Pakistan Army will be spread so thin for failure at each place. Also keep in mind Afghanistan is going to get stronger with time and will the first thing it will like to take care of is to take care of its neglected brothers in Pakistan.Now Pakistan is a barren land as far as money is concerned, imported money is under watch. So for ISI to play its expensive games, and Pakistan has to ick between development or supporting terrorism. As a Punjabi you must be aware of the saying that “you do not do not fry fritters in spit, you got to have oil”. And $$$ is your oil for maintanenance of any misadventures of ISI. Do not count on China to help you post-Xinjiang, if you have that analyzed by now. China cares the least as long as they got Gawdar and Balochis will not say to Chinese. So you worry about your little sliver of Punjabistan.

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Old man got conned …

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Umair,The Baluchistan freedom issue in Pakistan is as old as the country itself. Even if India is taken out of context, the Baluchistan problem will continue. There is an Afghani and Iranian angle in Baluchistan and India is a sitting duck taking the blame because the ISI thinks it so.

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Pakistan has totally neglected province of Baluchistan which is half of Pakistan in size, just like it did East Paksitan and finally broke with that part. utter poverty, no development, illiteracy, fedudal system, apathy on part of central Govt to take the matter seriously rathar suprssing any move to make any progress as subversion against state of Pakistan, No investment in infrastructure, no inventives for investment, no law and order, total deprivation of rights of Baluch people, no royalty ( worth penny) from Sui gas fields, no jobs, dead sea port doing nothing . Baluch people have every righta todemand equal share from Federal Govta like Pinjab to pay attention to its dire poverty and unemployment and no education worth the name and nothing like medical care.this total negligance is covered by blaming external factors as if they have to come here and undertake development.

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Singh wrote:”So what you are going to do this time. Kill each and every Baloch who wants separate Balochistan, Like you guys did in Bangladesh. How it is different from Bangladesh then.Balochistan is a Bangladesh in making, you accept that or not. Pakistan never imagined that Bangladesh genocide will lead to new country until 1971.”-Mr. Singh, in Baluchistan Pakistan Army has done reconstruction and development work, some of the tribes resisted but the Army got the situation under control. Again, this time Pakistan Army is not conducting large scale military ops or ‘genocide’ much more targetted approach is being used to eliminate anti-state RAW supported terrorists. Yes, Baluch people have some greviences but so too people in Sindh. Pakistan largely is united, here is a link from a recent NY Times report :Where the Mullahs Are the Upper Crusthttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/w eekinreview/02tavernise.html?_r=1&scp=1& sq=Pakistan%20mullah%20crust%20&st=cseAb ove article will surely tell you the true character of Pakistani provinces.Now that the “B” word has come to surface, PM Gilani handed over a dossier to Mr. Manmohan Singh of India’s terrorist activities in Baluchistan it is clear India is a terror sponsoring nation and Indian soil is being used for training terrorists and use against Baluchistan.Baluchistan is a resource rich Pakistani province with daring and proud Baluch people, only few illetrates have resisted development projects and taken up arms against Army. Its India that is sponsoring terror in Baluchistan.

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RajeevThe little silver of Punjabistan is absolutely doing fine and is under no threat,http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02  /weekinreview/02tavernise.html?_r=1&scp =1&sq=Pakistan%20mullah%20crust%20&st=cs e

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Pakistan made a mistake by giving Indian reference in Balochistan an international stage–but Pakistan’s shouting loud without evidence does not prove Indian inovolvement, however the world has come to know about the B-issue. So it is good for Balochis. If hypothetically Kashmiris are allowed to have the right for self determination, why not Balochis since Balochistan name exists even before Pakistan came into being.This is worth reading from an Indian analyst although I do not agree entirely with his last point:http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/% 5Cpapers34%5Cpaper3313.html

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@pakistanis, regardig BalochistanDear Pak friends it is Iran, which has been fomenting separation of Balochistan, since they are ethnically almost identical. India is a convenient scapegoat for Pak establishment’s inability to keep Balochistan a part of Pakistan.The question, is now, is Pakistan ready to nuke Iran, to protect Balochistan, as it is ready to nuke India? Please clarify.Also WILL be dimembered by the U.S, Afghanistan and Iran, that being FATA and SWAT and NWFP will goto Afghanistan and Baloch to Iran and the U.S. will do whatever it chooses to, to make the region safe for the world’s interests. India has nothing to do with any of these issues, nothing, Pakistan needs a political scapegoat and to save face and continually blame India.You Pakistani’s blame India so much, that it almost makes India into this untouchable, incredibly powerful superstate that is capable of almost anything. Thanks for the flattery, but we are more focussed on productive endeavors, rather than getting our hands dirty in your terrorist and hate infested bankrupt country.Is Pakistan ready to nuke Iran over Baloch, as it continually threatens India?

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Another reason to invade Pakistan .. to destroy Taliban Propaganda machinery ..http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/ 8176259.stm

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Obama has the grand plan!We have not seen the complete game? The puppet master Obama has the grand plan. Manmohan Singh changed plans after receiving a personal letter from Obama, delivered by US NSA James Jones. This happened between Singh’s meetings with Zardari and Gilani and hence the changed tone between these meetings. Anybody any clue what’s Singh is getting in return from Obama?Apparently one goal of this changed plan is to deny Pakistan any excuse not to fight Taliban. In other words, the real fight is going to begin soon. If Pakistan shoes any reluctance to dismantle terroristan now, US will do so. US death toll is at 685. It’s hard and painful for Americans to sit back and watch Pakistani game.

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How long can one continue talking to a backstabber?

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Singh is right!Pakistan is a mere irritant for India. China is the main threat. Give the Pakistan a bone to bite and focus on China. China is already feeling the heat of US-India cooperation. Very soon Obama will take failed states like Pakistan, N.Korea, Burma out of Chinese orbit and rehabilitate these failed countries.China won’t have any proxy to use against India, Japan or US.http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/200 9-07/26/content_11773191.htmhttp://www.e xpressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title= If+Pakistan+collapses…&artid=R//fK72ap38 =&SectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&MainSectionID=X VSZ2Fy6Gzo=&SEO=China,+Pakistan&SectionN ame=m3GntEw72ik=

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Why Pakistan needs Balochistan or China needs Xinjiang or Tibet?Punjabi army carried out all nuclear tests (5 so far) in Balochistan without any concern for public safety .. thousands of locals are daed and suffering consequences if radiation .. all local mines and refineries are leased to China … 10000 Chinese are working in Balochistan .. China needs an oil pipeline and highway from Balochistan to Tibet .. When Baluch locals ask for a job, they get a bullet from Chinese made AK-47 ..http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pakista ns-nukes-haunt-world-dc-meeting-29thChin ese regime carried out 46 surface nuclear tests from 1964 to 1996, causing 750,000 civilian deaths in surrounding areas .. looted mineral resources from the area .. locals who wanted jobs got bullets ..http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/conten t/view/14535/http://www.tibet.com/eco/gr een98/chap6.html

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Umair:I agree with the article and as I said it is all about protecting Punjab. Broken limbs and heads outside Punjab hardly move Pakistan Army but Army rushed out for Rah-e-Rasta anti-Taliban operation with helicopter gunships as soon as Taliban reached Buner–kind of knocking at the door step of Islamabad/Punjab. Until theneverything is fine. BTW where are all the poster boys of Taliban.Here is the quote from the NYT link you posted:@Another militant group, Jesh Muhammed, which supports Pakistani claims to Kashmir, operates unhindered in the city of Bahawalpur. And Hafez Saeed, a cleric whose associates are believed to have carried out the attack on Mumbai, India, last year, gives weekly sermons here in Lahore.”This tells Pakistan’s open support to terrorism which you denied in earlier posts. Pakistan’s is as much innocent in terrorism-supporting activities as much as Kashmir problem is solved or Balochistan got freedom.

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In Pakistan Punjab, Christian minorities attacked by religious fundametalists–7 burnt to death.http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connec t/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspape r/editorial/rampant-bigotry-489

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http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/world/pakista n-sends-list-of-afghan-terror-camps-to-k abulPakistan asking Afghanistan what India asks Pakistan. So what do Afghanistan do?—Do what Pakistan does!!!

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MMS got SMS from Obama and he was forced to eat his war cries uttered after mumbai attacks. A normal human with moral integrity would have resigned but politicians do not have moral values.

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Umair Wrote:”Baluchistan Pakistan Army has done reconstruction and development work, some of the tribes resisted but the Army got the situation under control. Again, this time Pakistan Army is not conducting large scale military ops or ‘genocide’ much more targetted approach is being used to eliminate anti-state RAW supported terrorists.”If you say making of Gwadar port by China is reconstruction then sure its a big development work haha. Here is what “Some” balochi tribes say about Pakistan.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= WDuhELzsi7Qhttp://www.youtube.com/watch? v=W6rV4IpcX3Ehttp://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=mP6RElSneXUthird video is Balochistan National anthem, preformed in big crowds on big loud speakers under big tents and lights. Its not some small tribe planning in some cave. Pakistani army is already doing a genocide there, I have seen Pakistani talk shows and news about people being kidnapped by army in broad daylight. Steam is building and its matter of time you will see a Bangladesh.BTW do you think Pakistan did something wrong with Benglalis ??You also said:”PM Gilani handed over a dossier to Mr. Manmohan Singh of India’s terrorist activities in Baluchistan it is clear India is a terror sponsoring nation and Indian soil is being used for training terrorists and use against Baluchistan.”Its another lie already busted. Ever since Mumbai attack by Pakistani terrorists, Pakistan has been always tried to Speak through media. Pakistanis deliberately leak something in media and see the reaction, then they dispel it later on. But unfortunately Pakistanis like you pick tit bits of reports and make a perception which fulfills your false pride, ego and jealousy towards India. We have seen you arguing right here on reuters, that Mumbai Attack was planned by Indians, terrorist were Indians and other BS. Do you believe “NOW” , that Kasab is Pakistani and they all came from Pakistan ??

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Singh to Umair:@But unfortunately Pakistanis like you pick tit bits of reports and make a perception which fulfills your false pride, ego and jealousy towards India. We have seen you arguing right here on reuters, that Mumbai Attack was planned by Indians, terrorist were Indians and other BS. Do you believe “NOW” , that Kasab is Pakistani and they all came from Pakistan ??- Posted by singhSingh: I have never ever seen these currrent Pakistani bloggers tacking Bangladesh issue. Only time the say B-desh is in reference to revenge from India. So here Pakistan has another B-desh in the making. Pakistanis will never admit now that whatever conspiracy theories they weaved after Mumbai attacks have been proven to be wrong. They have graduated to Baluchstan issue now. Asking them is these questions is asking for moon.

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Even after winning re-election to his second term, Mr Singh is too weak to deal with Pakistan. A pity. There is no partner for Pakistan and the Kashmiris to solve problems, just an insecure country called India.

@Even after winning re-election to his second term, Mr Singh is too weak to deal with Pakistan. A pity. There is no partner for Pakistan and the Kashmiris to solve problems, just an insecure country called India.- Posted by Aamir Alwhat rubbish. you are telling people that Indian PM Singh with clear majority is weak and is the reason for no progress. Someone agress or not but has to act when he asks them to do. The reason for no peace progress is that your house is not in order. Pakistan President and PM are puppets of the army/ISI and democracy is just sham. So one can never trust these Pakistani leaders even if they say anything. what peace are u looking for. Be fully Islamic or fully democratic. get out of this misery.

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“Even after winning re-election to his second term, Mr Singh is too weak to deal with Pakistan. A pity. There is no partner for Pakistan and the Kashmiris to solve problems, just an insecure country called India”———–VERY funny.Could it be the opposite? Could it be that India feels very secure and is running out the clock?.”pakistan”‘s diplomatic stature has diminished dramatically since the time you sent Northern Light Infantry to occupy mountains in Kargil 10 years ago. The problem is you haven’t adjusted and accepted the reality still living in fantasy world.About your comments about Dr.Singh being weak etc…this is not new. Jinnah was an elitist, undemocratic, easily irritable, authoritarian man. Indian leaders since at that time were dismissed to be “weak” by paks. Who has a weak “country” now? or who has any country now?Shekar Gupta at Indian express has written a great article on this topic.http://micropakistan.org/blog/2008  /01/21/junta-versus-janata-by-shekhar-g upta-the-indian-express/

Amir wrote:”Even after winning re-election to his second term, Mr Singh is too weak to deal with Pakistan. A pity. There is no partner for Pakistan and the Kashmiris to solve problems, just an insecure country called India.”-Well said, Amir I agree here, India is a classic lamb state and its leaders dont have guts to make courageous decisions. Former President Musharraf said that India and Pakistan were close to resolve disputes during the backchannel peace talks, Indian leaders backed out at last minute and had to courage to make extraordinary decisions and satisfy their domestic audience. Indian governments are always shaky coalitions, no agreement on anything no progress. Nothing seems to change in India, same old red tape.

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Even after winning re-election to his second term, Mr Singh is too weak to deal with Pakistan. A pity. There is no partner for Pakistan and the Kashmiris to solve problems, just an insecure country called India.- Posted by Aamir AliWow, a Pakistani questioning India’s democracy & calling it ‘insecure’. Quite hilarious, indeed!

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India is a classic lamb state and its leaders dont have guts to make courageous decisions.-UmairWhat pray is that courageous decision? To go to war with Pakistan and unite your Pak Army with ALL the LeT, JuD groups and Taliban together after the Mumbai attacks and plunge the whole region into a nulear war?Our leaders do makes decisions, but can YOU tell me who is ‘exactly’ incharge of Pakistan? When Zardari states ANYTHING the Pak Army do not like he is forced into rebuttal.You have no leaders with backbone. Zardari went to Europe to get trade deals, but ended up returning to Pakistan with aid for IDPs. Hilary Clinton visits India and signs an arms and nuclear deal.Your ISI co-ordinated the suicide bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul. Yet, in Egypt, your smiling Giliani presents M. Singh with a dossier of RAW activities in Baluchistan in full glare of the international media. We have not heard much of this dossier ever since, except for Obama’s AfPak guy, R. Holbrooke to dismiss the RAW dossier as NOT credible evidence.Oh by the way, best of luck in Istanbul with the next BEGGING round of Friends Of Pakistan to get $2.5bn.

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@Umair:@Well said, Amir I agree here, India is a classic lamb state and its leaders dont have guts to make courageous decisions.”-Forgot Bangladesh already?@Former President Musharraf said that India and Pakistan were close to resolve disputes during the backchannel peace talks, Indian leaders backed out at last minute and had to courage to make extraordinary decisions and satisfy their domestic audience.”–Quite the contrary if you are used to reading good articles. The sentence always finishes that back channel talks were going fine until Mushy got trapped in internal political trouble of pakistan.Read Steve Coll and refresh your memory that Mushy got trapped in political death spiral disrupting the peace process.http://www.newamerica.net/public ations/articles/2009/back_channel_11191“ By early 2007, the back-channel talks on Kashmir had become “so advanced that we’d come to semicolons,” Kasuri recalled. A senior Indian official who was involved agreed. “It was huge–I think it would have changed the basic nature of the problem,” he told me. “You would have then had the freedom to remake Indo-Pakistani relations.” Aziz and Lambah were negotiating the details for a visit to Pakistan by the Indian Prime Minister during which, they hoped, the principles underlying the Kashmir agreement would be announced and talks aimed at implementation would be inaugurated. One quarrel, over a waterway known as Sir Creek, would be formally settled.”….. In the spring of 2007, a military aide in Musharraf ’s office contacted a senior civilian official to ask how politicians, the media, and the public might react. “We think we’re close to a deal,” Musharraf ’s aide said, as this official recalled it. “Do you think we can sell it?”Regrettably, the time did not look ripe, this official recalled answering. In early March, Musharraf had invoked his near-dictatorial powers to fire the chief justice of the country’s highest court. That decision set off rock-tossing protests by lawyers and political activists. The General’s popularity seemed to be eroding by the day; he had seized power in a coup in 1999, and had enjoyed public support for several years, but now he was approaching “the point where he couldn’t sell himself,” the official remembers saying, never mind a surprise peace agreement with India.”So much for secure Pakistan.@Indian governments are always shaky coalitions, no agreement on anything no progress. Nothing seems to change in India, same old red tape.—Your worry should be limited to bilateral talks not Indian redtapism. That never came in way as is clear from the above article.

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Hi Umair,I wish that your country continue to enjoy Great Leaders like Jinnah followed by Ayub khan,Zulfikar Ali Bhutto follwed by Zia ul haq,Nawaz sharif follwed by musharraf,zardari followed by whoever…We indians are more than happy with our share of not so gutsy leaders like Sardar patel,Bhagat singh and gandhi,LB Shastri,Indira and rajiv gandhi,AB Vajpayee and Manmohan singh.WE INDIANS WHOLEHEARTEDLY RESPECT AND STAND BY MOST OF THE DECISIONS TAKEN BY THESE LEADERS.(barring few exception offcourse).Hope these kind of leaders lead us on the way to the future.We like many other people hope that leaders here in india gets better with changing times.

“India is a classic lamb state and its leaders dont have guts to make courageous decisions. Former President Musharraf said that India and Pakistan were close to resolve disputes during the backchannel peace talks”Pakistan thinks India is a Lamb state because Indian leaders have been giving too much room to pakistan for too long time. After 1971 Indians should not have given breathing space to Pakistan. If Indians had a little hawkish attitude, Pakistanis could never have made nuclear bomb and threaten the world today. Anyways it better to be called Lamb State than Terrorist State or Failed state.As I said already, Pakistanis pick tit bits of information and statements, and try NOT to see the bigger picture. Sorry buddy, but Mushy’s comments are not even bought in Pakistan these days, Do you want us to believe them ??Funny thing is when fate comes into picture, even LIONS like Musharraf become LAMBS and try to hide here and there. Soon he will be exiled permanently to Saudi Arab and live peacefully (not) there, remembering his glorious past and ugly future of Pakistan. While Manmohan has proved that “SINGH IS KING” and two times in a row.

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While Manmohan has proved that “SINGH IS KING” and two times in a row.-singhIts actually 3 times because, in 1991, as Finance Minister ‘he’ reformed India’s economy to end the Licence Raj system.

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I think, these composite dialogue etc. are real piece of crap. MMS and other Indian leaders know very well what Pakistan is. I don’t see much in the statement in Sharm-Al-Seikh….Pakistan will continue breed jihadi terrorists…whatever way they bluff, shout etc. etc….It (bluff, islam, jihad) is foundation of Pakistan and in turn will keep destroying their internal society…. US will keep on attacking Pakistan with missiles….I feel, India should wait for couple of more decades and then sell Kashmir to the promoter of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia…They are owner of Pakistan and I am sure, they will sponsor this deal….and in the mean time Pakistan will fully turn into arab clone…

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Pakistan getting 7000 Kms range intercontinental missileshttp://www.daily.pk/icbm-pakista n-intercontinental-missile-underway-8643  /Who do they have in mind? US or Europe?Who will provide aid? What are Pakistanis thinking?

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@Pakistan getting 7000 Kms range intercontinental missilesWho do they have in mind? US or Europe?Who will provide aid? What are Pakistanis thinking?- Posted by AndyAndy: Pakistanis will get expensive toys using the money fron the West for the purpose of screwing the West–I see no one else.In any case, India unwittingly is burning Pakistanis really bad because of Pakistani perception of equalling India. Regarding India, Pakistan got to admit as the saying goes “bigger man swings the bigger …..”. They will have to put all these toys in garage sale for their survival.

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8 ways India can hurt Pakistani economyhttp://www.mynews.in/fullstory.as px?storyid=23854

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