Comments on: Attack on Pakistani Christians revives Punjab worries http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Hmmm...... http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-21157 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:05:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-21157 Sipah-i-Sahaba chief Ali Sher Haideri gunned down

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/prov inces/09-sipah-i-sahaba-leader-haideri-s hot-dead-police–szh-04

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By: singh http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20931 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:01:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20931 “I see the idiots on this blogg whcich is titled Pakistan now n never – NOT India — but idiots seems to be very intrested in my country infact out of over billion people I see about half dozen name dedicated to giving pakistan bad name…Maybe the rest have life unlike the few on indian properganda payroll…lol”

Ali Posted:

Indians are coming to this blog and commenting about Pakistan because Pakistan is doing terrorism in India. Indians do not discuss China, Nepal, Bangladesh or Bhutan here, and we will not discuss Pakistan also, only if Terrorists named Abdulla, Muhammad and Kasab come from Pakistan and kill innocents.

Indians have got every reason to comment, BUT Do you ever wonder why westerns like Myra and Keith write so much about Pakistan. Why Indian blog is called “A Billion aspirations” and Pakistan is named “Now or Never”. According to your logic they idiots too ?

You also said
“But guess what we dont CARE….what the idiots think, know arr do. Let the dogs bark while the caravans move on….”

You and your leaders definately CARE what people think and say about Pakistan. If you don’t care why do you show up every now and then, and abuse here.

Empty slogans like “Pakistan Zindabad” have become a Joke now. I am sure when your leaders go door to door with a begging bowl, this is the slogan they shout right before knocking.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20927 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:25:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20927 @Pakistan Zindabad….. keep crying the want to see it as failed nantion…I heard that for past 60 years!!!

Good luck idiots….Keep barking doing a good job!!1 but Not good enouhg!!
– Posted by ali

-Ali: welcome back. But I see no change in your posts. As ever, they hardly addressed the issue at hand. Let us not talk about Kashmir and Indian army here. we are proud of Indian Armed forces. But all this is as irrelevent as the genocide and rape of 1-3 Million Hindu/Muslims by Pakistan Army in the then E.Pakistan, now called Bangladesh. More muslims were killed there and yet no Pakistani addresses that on the blog. Is there not a problem? This actually is relevent to the issue here in a way.

Those who do not learn from the history are bound to repeat it—–and I see that happening in Pakistan.

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20925 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:11:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20925 Dear Moderator,

Could you please remove the comments by ali. I wish to protest at his use of the word ‘idiots’ towards other contributors. The use of such words invites all contributors into animosity. We have had an occurance like this before when people cannot contribute without using offending remarks.

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By: ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20912 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:18:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20912 Firstly I admit we have problems so do they exist in every other country maybe in small or large in scale…

I see the idiots on this blogg whcich is titled Pakistan now n never – NOT India — but idiots seems to be very intrested in my country infact out of over billion people I see about half dozen name dedicated to giving pakistan bad name…Maybe the rest have life unlike the few on indian properganda payroll…lol

But guess what we dont CARE….what the idiots think, know arr do. Let the dogs bark while the caravans move on…. I wish the team in Arozona who fly the drones will do so on the instruction of Mr Rajeeve as he seems to have taken his precious time out to write who he wants targeted. Seems like either he watches a lot of Star Plus News (Comedy news channel) Should be voted the best…. Are maybe he should get out of the Bombay slump and actualy visit the coutry and see for the first hand what the oridinary pakistani think of India, Taliban etc etc. I tell you want everyone including idiots n pakis n the rest want to Live n let live…Yes as you have your fanatics burning mosques, churches, burning muslim children, while your army is busy raping kashmiris women n killing young kashmiris in stage shootouts. Well my friend when tat happens your puppet Head of Kashmir says nothing happened when the people are out on the streets to demand justice by the way as some idiots refer to them as thugs… Well if you want to label all Kashmiris that fine I see with my eyes many thousands on the street to demostatre agianst the indian occupation….

Its easy to point the finger at us may I suggest you look inside yourself first. Its fine to name couple of mulsim in high jobs. But dont forget the countless that were burnt alive n raped in gujratt to this days how many arrested . brought to justince NONE…

Pakistan Zindabad….. keep crying the want to see it as failed nantion…I heard that for past 60 years!!!

Good luck idiots….Keep barking doing a good job!!1 but Not good enouhg!!

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20909 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:53:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20909 @Sadly. It’s not surprising. The Islamists are hell bent on showing the peacefulness of Islam by wiping out their non-Christian neighbours. I am skeptical that the government will take this seriously at all. They’ve already reduced non-muslims (actually non-Sunnis) to second class citizens, both legally and socially. Can they now really be expected to change course? The loss unfortunately will be for Pakistan, whose society, by shedding it’s multi-faith, muli-sect, multi-ethnic heritage is slowly giving up any claim to Jinnah’s vision for a progressive, modern Pakistan.
– Posted by Keith

-Keith, in reality there is nothing like Jinnah’s vision–the best could be be said that Jinnah through statements served a whole buffet for anyone to cherrypick and claim that as Jinnah’s vision. The best could be said about him is that he was liberal as an individual. He delivered contradictory statements at different times.

Asking Muslims to have a separate nation and then expecting the minorities to have equal political rights in a secular democratic way.—–does it not sound like India from where he wants Muslims to run away from.

QUOTE “Of all Jinnah’s pronouncements it is his 11 August address that has received the greatest attention since the birth of Pakistan, and spawned a good deal of controversy. Although made somewhat off-the-cuff — he said that “I cannot make any well-considered pronouncement, but I shall say a few things as they occur to me” — it is considered a policy statement. He said “… If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, … is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. …we must learn a lesson from this [our past experience]. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state … we are starting in the days when there is no discrimination between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste, or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State…. I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.”

“Not surprisingly, it has elicited varied comments from scholars and contemporary journalists. One scholar has put it down to “loose thinking and imprecise wording” and a departure from Jinnah’s erstwhile position. Another calls it “a remarkable reversal” and asks “was he [Jinnah] pleading for a united India – on the eve of Pakistan?”

In his novel Shame, Salman Rushdie described Pakistan as a “place insufficiently imagined”

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20900 Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:36:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20900 Myra,

First Taliban force Sikhs in Pakistan to pay Jizya or “Kaffir Tax”, now Christians burned alive.

It was not that long ago that a Hindu was mobbed and killed by bear hands by a mob that accused him of blasphemizing the Prophet Mohammed, without any sort of proof, based only on hearsay. No investigation was done.

A muslim woman is 1/2 that the witness of her man and and a non-muslim is 1/4 witness that of a muslim. Is it any wonder that Pakistan is so dysfunctional?

There is a collective mental illness in Pakistan, much to its embarassing shame. Non-muslim life is not considered equal human life in Pakistan.

Hindus were at 15% during partition, now Hindus are only barely 2% in Pakistan, while Muslims in the secular, plural and democratic India have thrived. Through genocide, forced conversions by intimidation or violence and murder, Hindus have dwindled under Pakistani Republic since Jinnah, while Muslims in India have been allowed to progress in India.

The state of Pakistan has much guilt and blood on its hands for having an institution that leaves women and nonn-muslims unprotected and prone to violations.

While INdia also has sectarian violence, it is not legally propagated by the law, or encouraged by the state or Shariah type laws.

Myra,

NEW Blog: The value of human life in Pakistan, please start new topic, under any sort of subject you can.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20841 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:56:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20841 @Aman

There are considerable number of arrests and convictions of terrorists/criminals in Pakistan. You will not know that since you are sitting in India. The Pakistani state is also very active in protecting minorities, but is hampered by lack of capability and 30 years of war in Afghanistan that constantly keeps spilling into Pakistan.

These Pakistani Christians deserve justice.

– Posted by Aamir Ali

You obviously didn’t read Myra’s post or read rather selectively. From the Dawn article she linked to:

“It is not for the first time that an alleged act of blasphemy has triggered such brutal aggression. Nor, sadly, will it be the last if bigoted mindsets persist. Only weeks ago, Christian houses in Kasur were burnt down because the majority community there was able to allege blasphemy to exact retribution in an otherwise purely secular feud. Yet it seems little is changing to avoid the repetition of such incidents. In fact, while Gojra burnt the local administration made only half-hearted efforts to douse the fires. That is why the Christians there insisted on senior officials being booked for murder as a precondition to ending their protests. They, after all, had a duty to protect citizens no matter what their religion. Are we not supposed to be a democratic society that treats all its members, regardless of faith, equitably?”

Some record of protecting minorities.

And quit it with the comparison to Indian. The Indians may have their faults and have much to improve on but they have not seen their minority populations decline as drastically as Pakistan. That should tell you something about the state of minorities in Pakistan. The fact that a Muslim and a Sikh have been Presidents of India and that the power behind the throne today is an Italian born Catholic woman speaks volumes about how far India has come in its attempts to promote secularism. Can you honestly say the same for Pakistan? Can you ever see a day when a non-Muslim becomes the President in Pakistan or a non-native born woman garners enough votes and public support to lead the nation?

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20836 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:08:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20836 Correction:

I meant that these Islamists were hell bent on wiping out non-muslim minorities.

A sad day for Pakistan….and hopefully not another step on the march towards Talibanization.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/04/attack-on-pakistani-christians-revives-punjab-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-20829 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:11:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3337#comment-20829 Sadly. It’s not surprising. The Islamists are hell bent on showing the peacefulness of Islam by wiping out their non-Christian neighbours. I am skeptical that the government will take this seriously at all. They’ve already reduced non-muslims (actually non-Sunnis) to second class citizens, both legally and socially. Can they now really be expected to change course? The loss unfortunately will be for Pakistan, whose society, by shedding it’s multi-faith, muli-sect, multi-ethnic heritage is slowly giving up any claim to Jinnah’s vision for a progressive, modern Pakistan.

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