Punishing Baitullah Mehsud

August 5, 2009

Pakistan’s military campaign against Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan has been seen very much as a punitive mission - and that has just been forcefully highlighted by reports that the Pakistani Taliban leader’s wife was killed in a missile strike. A relative said that Mehsud’s second wife had been killed when a U.S. drone fired missiles into her father’s house in the village of Makeen. He said four children were among the wounded.

The Pakistan government in June ordered an offensive in South Waziristan after Mehsud was accused of masterminding a string of attacks inside Pakistan, including the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in 2007. So far though, that offensive has been dominated by bombardments with air raids and medium-range artillery, while a full-blown ground offensive has yet to materialise. Attacks by U.S. drones have also increased, fuelling speculation that the CIA-operated missile strikes, though condemned by Islamabad, are being coordinated with Pakistan’s own military operations.

So what is the overall plan for South Waziristan?

The delay in launching a full-blown offensive has triggered a raft of media reports, including in Britain’s Daily Telegraph, that Pakistan had put off launching a ground assault against Mehsud due to secret talks between him and security forces.

However, Pakistani correspondent Rahumullah Yusufzai quoted a high-ranking military official as dismissing the reports, saying the time to seek a truce with Mehsud was past. He quoted the army officer as saying the reports were being spread by pro-militant sources to create confusion, and that the army would carry out a major offensive against Mehsud at the time of its choice.

Other analysts attribute the delay to a desire on the part of the Pakistan Army to lower the risk of taking heavy casualties by going in prematurely to a stronghold which is expected to be heavily defended, and to a need to complete operations following an offensive against the Taliban in Swat.

But the discussion about nature of the military offensive to some extent obscures what is perhaps a more interesting debate about its objectives. The offensive is being conducted under the Raj-era Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) 21, which provides for collective punishment of a tribe in the event of its members threatening the authorities. That notion of a punitive expedition is quite different from the military offensive in Swat which was designed not only to oust the Pakistani Taliban but to create the conditions for civil authorities to eventually step in and restore order. The objective in South Waziristan would presumably be to punish Mehsud and his tribe to such an extent that it never again threatened the Pakistani state.

What is less clear is how that objective, if achieved, would influence other militants holed up in Pakistan’s tribal areas, including those linked to al Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban. Would the Mehsud tribe force foreign fighters to leave? Where would it leave the Afghan Taliban?

Nor does it carry a promise of a long-term solution to governing the tribal areas. Joshua Foust at Registan.net argues that the antiquated security framework used in the tribal areas condemns them to  “a cycle of conflicts, retributions and ceasefires” rather than integrating them into Pakistan, while the collective punishment provisions in the FCR “are, technically, violating international law”.

The days when the British Raj could send an Army of Retribution to raze Kabul after its troops were massacred in 19th century Afghanistan have long gone.  Nowadays British Foreign Minister David Miliband is more likely to stress the need to talk to ”moderate” Taliban and win hearts and minds in Afghanistan with economic development. “We will not force the Taliban to surrender just through force of arms and overwhelming might,” he said last month in Brussels.

So it’s rather curious that the vengeful spirit of the Raj has survived through the Frontier Crimes Regulation on the Pakistan side of the border with its stress on  punishment over persuasion.  And it will be interesting also to assess who has a better grasp of how to deal with the Taliban – the Pakistanis on one side of the border, or the U.S.-led allies on the other.

(File photos: Predator drone; tribesmen in Pakistan)

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[...] very confusing. This recent attack on Baitullah Mershud in S Wazinstan. Which reason is true? Punishing Baitullah Mehsud [...]

…talk to ”moderate” Taliban and win hearts and minds…

What is a moderate Taliban? What follows this: good Taliban, bad Taliban, ugly Taliban, diet Taliban, vegy Taliban, halal Taliban….etc.

What hearts and minds of these Taliban are you going to win? In their hearts they have a dire hatred of everything Western and its influences, yet they make movies of their executions and captives and post them on the ‘internet’ using ‘equipment’ that was thought of, designed and built in the West (including Japan).

In the minds of children they brainwash them to believe that the West is Kaffir and all Westerners are infidels. I do not need to write any more as the recent articles on the Child Soldiers speak clearly for themselves.

If Baitullah Mehsud’s wife was killed then only vengence will be going through his mind despite all the people he has murdered. Is he entitled to his revenge more than their families?

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

It is not to punish Baitullah .. rather to punish the Pakistani army for holding peace talks with Baitullah. US doesn’t do wife killing unless the very essential. This shows how frustrated US has been with Pakistani army.

Pakistan army has been delaying Wazaristan operation under various lies and secretly holding talks with Baitullah for another peace deal. This strike is to ignite the army operation. Baitullah will teach peace to Pakistan army now!

Posted by Robin | Report as abusive

This is the outcome of Indian concessions. Pakistan has been denied all excuses not to fight Taliban. Pakistan should have no hesitation to fight Taliban now. If need comes, US can jump start operations.

US death toll at 690. How long can Obama sit back and watch Pakistani games or listen to their lies?

Posted by Robin | Report as abusive

We should expect more of these. As US death count mounts and Afghanistan election nears, US needs to turn the knobs inside Pakistan (With or without their liking) to keep Taliban busy inside Pakistan. Taliban shouldn’t have any safe house inside Pakistan to rest or recharge.

Killing his wife is unethical, but may be he there or just got away. Any mean to bring the Taliban under control and a quick end to the war is justified.

I am still waiting to see the Taliban HQ (previously ISI HQ) flattened. War won’t end and peace won’t return until that building is flattened with all brains inside.

Posted by Andy | Report as abusive

Lets send few more drones to the wife’s funeral. Mehsud will be at the funeral. So Pakistani army didn’t know Mehsud’s house or pretended not to know before? Why was Mehsud given such a free life in Pakistan?

No peace or normal life for these barbarians!

Posted by Nora | Report as abusive

I feverishly wait for the day when this India-supported murderer and psychopath is eliminated. Not only has Baitullah Mehsud turned Waziristan into a warzone without the permission of the tribes, he has also harmed Pakistan and the Kashmir cause.

US has to take leadership where Pakistan fails. US can’t just wait across the border watch Pakistani game and see us soldiers suffer!

Has Pakistan got any other excuse not to fight Taliban? Well.. Taliban will fight now.

Posted by Robert | Report as abusive

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/world/ asia/30pstan.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Pakistan %20adding%20precision%20&st=cse

Pakistan Injects Precision Into Air War on Taliban

“Pakistan’s Air Force is improving its ability to pinpoint and attack militant targets with precision weapons, adding a new dimension to the country’s fight against violent extremism.”

-Pakistan’s approach will minimize collateral damage and ensure local population is not alienated.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

United States of India .. A view from MIT

“By 2040, after a transformative reformation of entire power structure in former Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan will formally merge into a United States of India”

http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N30/indiapakist an.html

Posted by George | Report as abusive

“Cash-strapped Pakistan will not send volleyball team to Manila”

“Quite regrettably, I would say that we have decided not to field the team in the most crucial assignment in Manila because of lack of funds,” the chairman of the PVF Chaudhry Muhammad Yaqoob told
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id= 191734

But ISI gets millions to blow up buildings in Afghanistan or kill people in India!

Posted by Irfan | Report as abusive

Punish ISI! Why punish the messenger Baitullah?

“American officials claimed that they had uncovered evidence of collusion between the ISI and an attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul last year”

“The C wing liaises with foreign intelligence services, and includes a CIA-funded counter-terrorism centre. Quite often, western spies complain, the C wing says one thing while the S does another”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug  /05/pakistan-inter-services-intelligenc e-directorate

Leading officers in the Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence agency are linked to terrorist activity related to the Pakistani Taliban, officials say.
http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009  /08/05/ISI-linked-to-terrorists-officia ls-say/UPI-95491249499520/

Pakistan agents sympathetic to terrorists ‘arrested’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew s/asia/pakistan/5974038/Pakistan-agents- sympathetic-to-terrorists-arrested.html

Posted by Jacob | Report as abusive

I feverishly wait for the day when this India-supported murderer and psychopath is eliminated.
-Aamir Ali

Baitullah Mehsud is YOUR Pakistani citizen. He is not supported by India.

Now, Aamir saab, please stop spewing lies.

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

United States of India .. A view from MIT
-George

I doubt very much this will happen. Judging by the history that has occurred between all 3 (India, Pakistan and Bangladesh). Bangladesh (in my opinion) will become a demograpic and geographic problem for India in the next 50 years. Since its population is growing, it will need to produce and import more food to feed its people. Its a country that is being eroded by the sea and all defences against nature have proven to be futile. Besides this there are many Bangladeshi communities (illegally)settled in the surrounding Eastern states of India (Assam and West Bengal). India will not be prepared to ‘part’ with its territories to accommodate Bangladesh’s population.

Posted by bulletfish | Report as abusive

@I feverishly wait for the day when this India-supported murderer and psychopath is eliminated. Not only has Baitullah Mehsud turned Waziristan into a warzone without the permission of the tribes, he has also harmed Pakistan and the Kashmir cause.”
- Posted by Aamir Ali

Aamir, Truth is the world knows that India does not do TANGO with these terrorists while the opposite is true for Pakistan.

Keeping in view the history of Taliban and its love affair with Pakistan, Mehsud’s offer to Kayani to help Pak Army for fight against India, Pakistan’s attempts to make peacedeal with him, it is childish to say that Mehsud is India-supported.

If hypothetically Mehsud is supported by India, why Pakistan was into peace deal with this terrorist–not very professonal of the Army.
Read this about Pakistan-peace and Mehsud:
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2 008/04/pakistan_is_negotiat.php

It is 1000-times more probable that he is happily sitting inside ISI headquarters chitchatting with PASHA and planning on something to mislead you guys in Pakistan.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

What? Punishing him by killing his wife? Sounds like his wife and the injured children were the ones “punished”.

Posted by simon | Report as abusive

I would rather think that “UNITED SATES OF INDIA” could be possible with country lie in the north & east part. Nepal,Bhutan & Bangladesh, this could also lead to severe problems of different kind. Govt powers, ethnicity and also religion. This is the main cause of the war in the west part of the border of the country which even lured countries from the far west. I would rather think Nepal & Bhutan are the future possible candidate for becoming USI, but not Bangladesh which predominantly Muslim state. If they did become part of USI history will repeat, as it did at end of its creation from west pakistan. I would rather appriciate it if it did but it is unlikely. No country could be come a mere image EU or US or others who have large territory under control. This is Land in EAST, Everything is different and ancient. I would rather suggest leave india the way it is, it looks good & beautiful than she was earlier.

Cheers..!

Posted by Raghu | Report as abusive

Pakistan State Agencies, its ARMY and ISI are the creator, architect and enablers of Taliban, Baitullah Mehsud, Al-Qaeda and all forms of terrorism.

Terrorism in the world cannot exist without Pak Army and ISI assistance.

In dealing with terrorists, are not completely avoiding the true source of all forms of terrorism?

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

The United States of India will be a reality one day. Before that can happen, IT, that is international terrorism and all manners of issues enabling Islamicist Religious Terrorism must be eliminated with crushing, brute overwhelming force.

Paks and Indians from both sides, should be able to return to the ancestral homes of their forefathers before partition and democracy will pave the way for a re-unified India, with equal rights for peoples of all religions. There will be no place for sectarian hatreds or racism from peoples of any cultures, ethnicities or religions.

The Indian superstate shall and will integrate all formerly Balkanize portions of India from prior to the Mughal rule.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

I feverishly wait for the day when this India-supported murderer and psychopath is eliminated. Not only has Baitullah Mehsud turned Waziristan into a warzone without the permission of the tribes, he has also harmed Pakistan and the Kashmir cause.
- Posted by Aamir Ali

Good, at least Pakistan disowned one terrorist and he is dead now. Can you also disown (1) Mullah Omar (2) Haqqani (3) OBL (4)Zawahari (5) Daud Ibrahim (6) Hafiz Saeed (7) Memon brothers (8) Masood Azhar (9) Syed Salahuddin? These people are also Indian agents, who are hiding from India in Pakistan under ISI protection. These people are also supported by CIA, RAW and mossad?

Lets us know before you disown, we’ll have drones ready.

http://specials.rediff.com/news/2005/sep  /02sld.htm

Posted by Ramin | Report as abusive

Mr. Global watcher: “Paks and Indians from both sides, should be able to return to the ancestral homes of their forefathers before partition and democracy will pave the way for a re-unified India, with equal rights for peoples of all religions. There will be no place for sectarian hatreds or racism from peoples of any cultures, ethnicities or religions.

The Indian superstate shall and will integrate all formerly Balkanize portions of India from prior to the Mughal rule.”

You have just proved our fears to be true. We wanted a nation for Muslims and we are keeping it. And it is against these imperialistic intentions that Pakistan has built its defense. We will never trust you Indians. We have always believed that shaking hands with Indians is like letting a snake into the house.

The death of Baitullah Mehsud should hopefully put to rest the ridiculous fantasies many Pakistanis have that the West/US does not care about terrorism in Pakistan and does not want to help Pakistan rein in anti-Pakistan insurgents. The stories had gotten to the point that there was the ridiculous suggestion that the CIA was helping BM. Now it’s time for Pakistan to return the favour and start taking on the Haqqani Network, the Quetta Shura and the rest of the Afghan insurgent groups in Pakistan.

Posted by Keith | Report as abusive

Globe watcher, George and anyone who harbours this silly MIT dream.

WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU SMOKING????

Why on earth would you want to be unified with pakistan?

Is there a single reason why we should even contemplete it? (pls dont tell me that you want to visit your great gandmom’s ancestral house).

We spent 62+ years to move ahead and you want us to be unified with pakistan?

A secular nation unified with wahabi radical islamic republic?????

Please speak sense

Posted by indian1127 | Report as abusive

Baitullah Mehsud, an ally of Pakistan army, wanted to fight along side Pakistan army against India. But before he could finalize his negotiations with Pakistan army, he is decimated by another ally of Pakistan army, the CIA.

It’s little complicated But drone rules!

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009  /08/taliban_pakistan.html

Posted by Robert | Report as abusive

@Drone rules
That is really true… use of technology is showing its results in fight against terror….

But the question is… is this the start of the end of this terror group… we need to wait and watch.. there will be another BM in making…

Posted by Maverik | Report as abusive

Need to rapidly expand this drone operation all over Pakistan to bring this war to a quick end.

Posted by Cindy Chu | Report as abusive

It appears that my mentioning of an MIT has touched a nerve on Indian and Pakistani sides.

I was merely mentioning the inevitable and to me, a unified Indian land would not be such a bad idea and good in the long run, for stability and security of the region.

The amalgamation of an indian superstate would happen when Pakistan financially collapses and regions want to separate.

The indian model has been successful and brought success and progress to all Indians, including Muslims, who choose to be progressive and not blame others.

India is an inclusive nation for all. Muslims having their own independent nation for Muslims has provided no benefit for Pakistani’s except for the cabal of the Punjabi Military Mafia and their families who live parasitically off the rest of Pakistan and keep them hostage to ensure their own power over the poor and the many in Pakistan.

In short, the Partition has brought lost potential for MOST Muslims there and progress mostly for the Pak Punjabis, again on the heads of the rest of the poor Pakistani’s and most of all partition has given the world the warm and loving gift of Islamic Militant-ism and Terrorism.

A separate muslim Pakistan has provided no redeeming quality for the world, only Islamic Terrorism. The muslims in India, do not commit Islamic terrorism, but are progressive on a much higher ratio basis that than the muslims in Pakistan.

The only pride of Pakistan is the nuclear bomb, either a defunct bomb created by Plans stolen from the West by A.Q. Khan or Chinese made bombs.

Pakistan has created and made no contibutions to global sciences such as Aerospace, Medicine, Engineering, Aerospace, IT(Info-Technology). India has been the largest supplier of brain power to the world, while Pakistan has been the largest supplier of Islamic Terrorism to the world.

On that basis, partition was a mistake and in the end, only serves to prop the EGO of some Pakistani’s, while in the truest sense, it has brought nothing redeeming. In the long run, Pakistan is incapable of surviving on it own without free beggar handouts and military AID from China and the U.S. It is not progressive enough to survive on its own and will collapse eventually from within.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

This drone war should be expanded to destroy all madrassas and their mullahs. We can never win if the Madrassas keep producing thousands of graduates and next-gen leaders.

Posted by Cindy Chu | Report as abusive

@Indian 1127

“Globe watcher, George and anyone who harbours this silly MIT dream.

WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU SMOKING????

Why on earth would you want to be unified with pakistan?”

Mr. Indian1127, please do not be too alarmed at my idea. It is not too inconceivable that Pakistan, and even Bengal will not be economically viable countries one day, as they are proven to be failures in mismanagement on all levels. Animals cannot run countries, it takes human beings. One day, when India reaches a superpower status, for their own economic survival, citizens from the Balkanized countries of India will want to join in the progress and will work with India to form a greater economic union with open trade and borders. At that point, India will be also a military superpower and before re-integration, economic or otherwise is even entertained, India will ask for security guarantees, those being complete demilitarization denuclearization.

Members of foreign state agencies, ie from the military and intelligence would not be allowed to remain and enter the new Indian superstate as citizens, as they would work against India, they are free to live in exile, where-ever they wish, or who ever will keep them. Any remaining proxy armies, terrorists and separatists will be considered legal enemies of the state, enemies of statehood and enemies of civilization and should be dealt with according to the law, if they choose not be naturalized citizens of the United States of India, they are free to leave to Saudi, Turkey, or Somalia, or wherever they wish, or they can join progress and be a part of India and live like responsible, civilized citizens. It is under this possible scenario, that I say that citizens from both Pakistan and India could return to their ancestral homelands. There are no reasons for fear. Men who indulged in criminal behavior against India, as members of Rogue elements of state agencies would be dealt with, by legal means. It would take at least 100 years for such type of re-integration.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

If Baitullah Mehsud is truly dead, the next Droning targets should be as follows:

1) Al Qaeda Leadership
2) Taliban Leadership – Mullah Omar
3) State Sponsored proxy terrorist jihadi armies: LeT, LeJ, HuM and all such related Kashmiri separatist terrorists
4) So called “Rogue elements” of Pak State Agencies, whether it be ISI or Pak Army “rogue elements”, other words for them are “miscreants” or “non-state” actors, some of these may even be in uniform and operating in broad day light, Pakistan would know who they are.

Terrorism in all its forms should be destroyed. No permission is required, no for-warnings are required, no apologies shall be given for acting against actionable intelligence, with Pakistan’s approval or not.

If Pakistan believes Indian state agencies are causing terrorism, they they should send detailed dossiers, with verifiable evidence and international monitors for the world to see on BBC, CNN, IBN, Pak T.V. or elsewhere. Even if there are rogue elements in India, they should be exposed with proof before the U.S., U.K. and the world and proper steps will be taken by India.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Myra,

The world is grateful to the United States of America for leading in the path of fighting terrorism.

All should especially thank the Drone Pilots who work tirelessly for the security of others.

Pakistani state and it citizens above all, should be grateful to the U.S. Taxpayers and Obama that the terrorist murderer of their beloved Benazir Bhutto has been targeted and inactivated permanently.

Bravo to the United States of America, we applaud your efforts and thanks to the citizens of the U.S. for giving their tax dollars to enable the fight against terrorism, the world stands with you on guard against terrorism, in all its forms.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

Mehsud’s death is a big blow for RAW. He was RAW’s agent right from the beginning. Afghan Taliban was Pakistan’s creation. Pakistani Taliban was definitely an Indian creation to add confusion to the efforts by the US, Pakistan and other serious allies to bring peace to the region. India, unfortunately, tried to get into the middle by setting up numerous embassies inside Afghanistan, supplying information and weapons to Mehsud and other RAW agents. This is what our military to go full swing at them and wipe out this new network set up by RAW. Once South Waziristan operations are completed, we have to go after the RAW agents who are fomenting trouble in Balochistan. We will complete our task successfully. India will need to change its mind set and tactics in dealing with Pakistan. Gilani’s dossier on Balochistan was like a slap on the face for Manmohan Singh. It showed that India is not as clean as believed. I am sure Manmohan was surprised to see the depth of Indian intelligence agency inside Pakistan. I am positive that he will tighten the leash on RAW and it will help bring peace to the region. Mashallah! Indian agent Mehsud is dead and soon we will clean up every mess created by RAW inside Pakistan. India should realize the gravity of the situation and close its embassies inside Afghanistan whose sole purpose is to keep the pot boiling. Holbrookes and the other Americans are working with India in destabilizing Pakistan by creating the Pakistani Taliban and pretending to be be cleaning them up and inching their way slowly towards taking control of Pakistan. Our military has to fight a multi-pronged war against the external threat. Inshallah! we will come out victorious.

Mr. Anjum says:

“Mehsud’s death is a big blow for RAW. He was RAW’s agent right from the beginning.”

Mr. Anjum, you dear sir, have forgot to add Musharaff, all of Pakistani non-state actors, Zardari, Gilani, LeT, JuD, HuM and LeJ as RAW agents as well and the ISI and the Pak Army as RAW stooges, as well. Oh..I forgot, even Hamid Gul, Kayani and Pasha are RAW stooges as well.

Please do the world a favor and check your self into an insane asylum for the mentally ill.

Again you make Pakistani’s seem like senseless cretins with no ability to reason.

Congrats on your victory over the RAW, the one you can imagine in your own little mind, in the company of your mentally ill compatriots.

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

US ‘aids Pakistani corruption’

“Ibrahim found that £121m was spent on an air defence radar system despite terrorists in the region having no air attack capability”

“About £48m per month was paid to soldiers to fight during months when there was a ceasefire, £33m to maintain helicopters which were not maintained, £18m for roads which were never built, £9m for bunkers which were never dug and £900,000 to repair damage to navy vehicles which did not see combat. Last year, of the £550m of military support the United States gave Pakistan, only £180m reached the army, according to American government reports”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk  /scotland/article6788782.ece

Posted by Nora | Report as abusive

Pakistani Gratitude for for billions of unconditional US aid and free weapons:

Threat from the Taliban vs the USA and India
Taliban: 11%
India: 18%
US: 59%

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/ 08/2009888238994769.html

Posted by Nora | Report as abusive

@The death of Baitullah Mehsud should hopefully put to rest the ridiculous fantasies many Pakistanis have that the West/US does not care about terrorism in Pakistan and does not want to help Pakistan rein in anti-Pakistan insurgents. The stories had gotten to the point that there was the ridiculous suggestion that the CIA was helping BM.
- Posted by Keith

Keith: The stories are continuing as my dear Pakistani friend M.Anjum analyzes:
“Holbrookes and the other Americans are working with India in destabilizing Pakistan by creating the Pakistani Taliban and pretending to be be cleaning them up and inching their way slowly towards taking control of Pakistan.”
- Posted by mohammad Anjum

Anjum: Actually, more cost-effective way to finish off pakistan is to withdraw US/NATO troops, withdraw aid to Pakistan and let your monsters have ball with Pak Army who will have no money to run the trucks and fly the helicopter. And later they can come back too if US wants.

And for a change can you tell us why Pak Taliban is not supported by Pakistan. BM has been killed by US drone not Pakistan Army.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Al-Qaeda seeking Baitullah’s replacement: Rehman Malik

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/04-a l-qaeda-seeking-baitullah-replacement-qs -09

Now suddenly Behtulla Mehsud changed to AL-Q operative from RAW Agent and this is after his death. Pakistan as a state has lost all its credibility. This is the same Rehman Malik who was about to lose a lung shouting ,Behtulla Mehsud was an Indian RAW Agent. What do Pakistan bloggers have to say on it, that will be interesting.

Posted by singh | Report as abusive

@Now suddenly Behtulla Mehsud changed to AL-Q operative from RAW Agent and this is after his death. Pakistan as a state has lost all its credibility. This is the same Rehman Malik who was about to lose a lung shouting ,Behtulla Mehsud was an Indian RAW Agent. What do Pakistan bloggers have to say on it, that will be interesting.
- Posted by singh

-Pakistani bloggers: Shock me by commenting on this.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Mr. Singh, says:

“Al-Qaeda seeking Baitullah’s replacement: Rehman Malik

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/04-a l-qaeda-seeking-baitullah-replacement-qs -09

Now suddenly Behtulla Mehsud changed to AL-Q operative from RAW Agent and this is after his death. Pakistan as a state has lost all its credibility. This is the same Rehman Malik who was about to lose a lung shouting ,Behtulla Mehsud was an Indian RAW Agent. What do Pakistan bloggers have to say on it, that will be interesting.”

Mr. Singh, thank you for noting things and trying to give a perspective with sanity, realism and holding our dear Pakistani friends to accountability for their flip flops on issues of terrorism and the Taliban as they can’t seem to find the right people to blame for the Taliban, as history has shown, Pakistani’s blame the Indians for the Taliban, then the U.S. but never want to blame their state agencies, those Punjabi Fauji Criminals in uniform, who nurtured, aided and abetted them to bring Islamic militantism into its current skin.

There are certain Pakistani bloggers, who vehemently supported the idea of the Taliban, as far bacl as a few months ago and even tell all bloggers here that the Taliban should be reigned in as official members of Pakistan or Afghanistan. But as soon as the Pak Army was forced to fight the Taliban, those same bloggers have changed their tune and all of a sudden are acting “glad” or “happy”, in a political show that Pakistan is in fact trying to fight militantism, it just shows that the citizens of Pakistan, at least those with an access to a computer are almost willing to say anything, so long as it promotes a favorable view of the Pakistan establishment, but lack the moral core, to do the right and human thing. This was the same thing with Ajmal Kasab.

I don’t know what to believe anymore that comes out of most of the Pakistani bloggers here, you never know when they are going to switch their tune, it is in a way a reflection of the Pakistani government itself and to some respects the nation of Pakistan, at least the Punjabi part of it.

In short, it seems that Pakistan, as a whole, on these blogs in incoherent, this is implied by the moving and roving or shifting opinions that the Punjabi Pakistani bloggers have here, opinions that shift on the drop of a dime, to represent the most current political opinion of the Pak Army and ISI, in some cases complete reversals on opinions like Ajmal Kasab and the Taliban issue.

Just an observation, but it seems that certain Pakistani bloggers here just seem like State Agency mouth pieces, almost like they are paid to slew favorable public opinion.

What do most of you think?

Posted by Global Watcher | Report as abusive

I am so glad this Indian agent and master terrorist has been eliminated !!

@Rajeev,

You said:

“@Now suddenly Behtulla Mehsud changed to AL-Q operative from RAW Agent and this is after his death. Pakistan as a state has lost all its credibility. This is the same Rehman Malik who was about to lose a lung shouting ,Behtulla Mehsud was an Indian RAW Agent. What do Pakistan bloggers have to say on it, that will be interesting.
- Posted by singh

-Pakistani bloggers: Shock me by commenting on this.
- Posted by rajeev ”

–>

Lying, blaming others, not taking responsiblity, backstabbing, conspiracies, lack of accountability justifying horrible gruesome things and violence in the name of religion, mistreatment of women, spitting in the foods of non-muslims are a cultural norm, for some (NOT ALL) in Pakistan.

Some Pakistani’s will say almost anything to save face or accepting blame as shame on one’s honour is the greatest personal defeat. If something wrong is done and nobody saw it happen, there is no guilt required for it, that is how it works. These are one of the tenets of Eastern Shame based societies. Lying is a cultural norm to protect one’s shame.

These things may seem abhorrent to us outside of Pakistan, where we live in much more civilized, accountable societies. But if this behavior, which is normally practiced there, is normal there, when Pakistani’s are confronted with these things head on, they act extremely baffled or get upset that they are being “maligned” or made out to be “bad” people. A classical example is the National Pakistani pre-occupation and selective memory of the Bengali holocaust. It is much more painful to Pakistani’s that they lost East Pakistan in shame than the 3million genocide that they committed on Bengal.

Still, not one Pakistani on this blog has admitted that their country even committed such a genocide, which was systematic, organized, gruesome and bloody, by its Army.

I ask any open minded Pakistani here, India returned your 90,000 POW’s, they were not harmed, yet you genocided 3 million humans in Bengal, why are you Pakistani’s so unwilling and unrepentant of those who were genocided? I want an answer.

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I am so glad this Indian agent and master terrorist has been eliminated !!
- Posted by Bangash

But Interior Ministor Rehman Malik thinks otherwise, see below link which says Al-Qaeda seeking Baitullah’s replacement: Rehman Malik

Sorry to give you bad news, he was not an indian agent, instead an AL-Quaida Terrorist, oops you just got one of your own Talibani killed.

Please find some real Indian agents, as Neocon Zionists of India, Israel and USA are threat to territorial integrity of Pakistan, RAW, Mossad and CIA are doing Anti-Islamic covert operations in Pakistan and trying to snatch your nuclear weapons. Indians are making Pakistan unstable and want to make Akhand bharat (United states of India). Its your right and duty to wage Jihad on these infidels.

Below is the link to story, even if I know that you guys are hopeless.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/04-a l-qaeda-seeking-baitullah-replacement-qs -09

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@Singh

Baitullah Mehsud focused his attacks on Pakistan, with his elimination Alqaeda has an opportunity to turn his group into the direction of Afghanistan.

Try to understand what is happening rather than looking at everything from anti-Pakistan lens.

@Global Watcher

Learn to stick to the topic.

I am so glad this Indian agent and master terrorist has been eliminated !!
- Posted by Bangash Khan:

Bangash Khan Sahab: Do you have enemity with reason? Your own minister Rehman Malik said:
“Al-Qaeda is trying to install a new ‘chief terrorist’ in Pakistan’s tribal regions after the claimed killing of Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud, Interior Minister Rehman Malik said Monday.” Meaning BM was an A-Q operative, not Indian, unless your smart brain thinks that A-Q is an India-supported terrorist organization!!!
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Global Watcher, Singh: Either these Pakistanis are liers or sincerely ignorant. Either way, it is a bad news for Pakistan–Pakistanis are their own enemies. As they say in Hindi “Vinash kaaale viprit Buddhi”, meanining during the times of crisis/destruction, senses work opposite to what is right.

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PM Gilani calls for urgent US aid for IDPs without strings
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/09-g ilani-calls-for-aid-without-strings–szh- 09
PM Gilani urges U.S. to write-off debt
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Afgha nistan-Pakistan/idUSTRE5543JX20090605

Pakistan Air Force will induct four Chinese midair refuellers, four Chinese AWACS, 250 Chinerse JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft soon
http://www.sindhtoday.net/news/1/40182.h tm

New Pakistani Govt Motto: “US feeds us proudly, We feed Chinese Proudly”

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“I am so glad this Indian agent and master terrorist has been eliminated !!
- Posted by Bangash Khan:”

Are there any sane Pakistani’s out there who are not so divorced from reality, rationality, reason, logic and sanity? Why are these words and their meaning an enemy to your mind?

What outlandish claim is next by some of our Pak blogger friends here?…That they found a Ganesh Statue, a Shiva picture, an Indian Flag as well as a CIA or Mossaid instruction manuals for the Taliban and their fighters on Baitullah Mehsud, perhaps some alcohol, a book on Hindu prayers, seems ridiculous? Is it? Well so are your claims that Mehsud is an Indian Agent. We could care less about your Mehsud, we are much more interested in productive, real-world development and forward endeavors, which will further the condition of Indian citizens. Rather than focus on keeping you down, unlike you, we would rather focus on bringing and rising ourselves up.

As I said earlier, some of our Pakistani friends, state politicians, what they lack in introspect, academic ability, or the ability to indulge in corrective human behavior, they more than make up in the humour value of their outlandish claims.

Thanks for adding comedic value to the blogs, it is appreciated as your comments are always good for a few laughs for the world to see. Just think before you blame India, for every ill, and without even a shred of proof.

What the government of Pakistan has not control over, is losing at or what it is weak at, it seems that Pakistani citizens will always blame India, the U.S. and Israel for them. This is the collective national mental illness that makes us non-Pakistani’s roll our eyes in utter shock and amazement and even laugh at it, shrugging it off.

What do the Universities and schools teach in Pakistan, for God’s sake? “Blame it on others, if you cannot succeed? If you fail at a course…do you just blame it on the teacher, or other students, or the noise outside, or blame CIA/Mossaid/RAW “Nexxus”? LOL

Your lack of intelligence and ability to admit responsiblity on Pakistan itself is absolutely hilarious. You guys are good for a few laughs.

It is funny how once the home-grown terrorists start blowing up Pakistan itself with suicide bombers, the so-called “miscreants” all of sudden become Indian agents, according to your citizens and state agencies….ROTFLMAO….

Did India also cause the Tsunami, Earthquake and Global Economic Meltdown as well? I am surprised that you do not believe in Green Aliens from Mars.

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