Comments on: Afghanistan, still the new Vietnam ? http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rex minor http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-24843 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:39:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-24843 i am inclined to agree with the us president.it is a war of necessity.the country is almost bankrupt, the currency is at its lowest value, but uncontrolled printing is being maintained,A trillion from middle east and trillions from china, why not continue giving aid to countries and taking it back by selling weapons to them.this way weapon industry will keep going.stop the war in iraq and increase forces in afghanistan.keep forces involved until a new battle ground is found, pakistan may be or why not iran, hoping that iran will make a strategic error.not to forget the middle east arena? something will emerge.it is getting all complicated and mixed up.when are the next presidential election?a new strategy is needed until then, if not hand over the country to the next one, it can’t be worst than i got from George— where is by the way?i better ask him how did he keep going from one war to another for eight years? i better phone him one of these days.he did promise to help. one cannot trust clinton, he would rather his wife taking the next shot.one thing is sure i never promised that i can, i always said yes we can meaning that you can.

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By: tim bailey http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-24485 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:16:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-24485 Vietnam was a war that was never meant to be won, just sustained. The problem with Afghanistan is that “winning” means getting bin Laden, which also means no more war on terror, no more money for American imperialism. So in a sense, Afghanistan is the new Vietnam. America can win they’re just not allowed to.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21649 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:27:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21649 Bulletfish, you said:”Global Watcher,What you have stated is so true, but I disagree with the failed state part. Pakistan will always be kept propped up due its nuclear arsenal. If Pakistan wants to pay off the IMF loans…they will not. Pakistan will continue to reiterate that it is at the fore front of fight against world terrorism and therefore:-ALL loans should be written off.-Pakistani goods sold abroad have their taxes waivered.-Long term export contracts in ALL sectors of trade with US, UK and all other developed nations.-Free nuclear deal with no inspections of any kind and no questions asked.-Weapons upgrades at lowered costs.Despite the FACT that Pakistan is where the Taliban and other terrorists outfits were created and/or nurtured.- Posted by bulletfish “–>Pakistan needs to feel the heat of a hot iron from a Banker coming to collect his money.The rest of us have to pay interest and pay mortgages, why does Pakistan get a free ride to continue building nukes, weapons, maintaining proxy army terrorist camps and such?The world must stop enabling Pakistan from being able to create terrorism.

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By: bulletfish http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21641 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:54:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21641 Global Watcher,What you have stated is so true, but I disagree with the failed state part. Pakistan will always be kept propped up due its nuclear arsenal. If Pakistan wants to pay off the IMF loans…they will not. Pakistan will continue to reiterate that it is at the fore front of fight against world terrorism and therefore:-ALL loans should be written off.-Pakistani goods sold abroad have their taxes waivered.-Long term export contracts in ALL sectors of trade with US, UK and all other developed nations.-Free nuclear deal with no inspections of any kind and no questions asked.-Weapons upgrades at lowered costs.Despite the FACT that Pakistan is where the Taliban and other terrorists outfits were created and/or nurtured.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21582 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:44:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21582 @Sanjeev,Af-Pak is winnable, and must be so at all costs. If the U.S. mission is withering and help is needed, then the U.S. needs make friends with Russia and build a formidable security alliance. Perhaps another superpower in Afghanistan is just what is needed to clean up the Taliban and even fix Pakistan.Pakistan is not a true partner in stabilizing Afghan, as they continue to want to keep enmity with India, even though most Pakistani’s don’t view India as a threat. Pakistan has the soldiers and boots on the ground to wipe out all terrorism in Pakistan, but is unwilling to commit and release those troops for the real fight and would rather keep reinforcing its artificial facade of enmity with India, to keep its population politically and religiously united.What Pakistan is unwilling to do, will one day come back with a disproportionate vengeance, as a tool of its own making, upon its self.In the mean time, the IMF will should apply heavy leverage to mortgage what little resources Pakistan has to keep those as collateral, for default on payment. If Pakistan cannot make interest payments, it should surrender its nuclear program on a plate, if it wants to economically stay intact as a country.The world is gaining nothing by trying to revive Pakistan. Every country that is giving money to Pakistan, is contributing to future terrorism and ensuring that the parasitic army keeps a war-like state with India.The experiment of Pakistan from partition is a complete and utter failure on almost every level, relative to India, which is flourishing.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21554 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:18:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21554 Sanjeev wrote:A more radical approach would be withdraw completely and focus on regional and global counter-terrorism efforts and homeland security initiatives to protect the United States from threats that may emanate from Afghanistan, Haas suggests, In that sense, Afghanistan would resemble the approach toward Somalia and other countries where governments are unable or unwilling to take on militants, and the United States eschews military confrontation.But is the world ready for that ?———–We already apply this model to the FATA. It’s not that radical to apply it to Afghanistan. As the yardstick gets pushed further, it could apply to more of Pakistan as well. If NATO fails in Afghanistan, I am willing to bet that this will be the dominant model with the entire Af/Pak region will become a free fire zone for US Preds.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21553 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:13:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21553 There are ghostly similarities between Afghanistan and Vietnam but there are also large differences, particularly when it comes to motivations for the mission. The US knows that failure to pacify Afghanistan would mean another 9/11. Therefore, it’s left with no choice but to fight lest the violence come to its shores.But as bad as the mission looks now (and those of us who do this for a living will readily admit that the other side seems to be gaining the upper hand) it also obvious how easily it can be turned around. NATO has nowhere near the amount of troops the Soviets put in and much of the pledged aid remains to be materialized. A little more effort from the Americans to get more aid in the country and more forces could turn around the mission pretty quick. Increased pressure on the Pakistanis is also inevitable and would not hurt.As for the costs of the mission, they are not as high as anyone assumes. The US budget deficit isn’t caused by the war. It’s caused by a structural deficit as a result of the Bush tax cuts. If those were reversed, the Americans could be running surpluses in no time. At something like 20 billion a month the Afghan war costs about $2 a day for every American…less than a short latte at Starbucks. Viewed that way, it is obvious that the Americans have the resources to stay for another millenia if they wanted to.

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By: ashok http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21506 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:40:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21506 HenryAlmost every civilized blogger understands the point you are underscoring. Sadly, if you leave ’them’ alone, the zombies and vampires will not only take over those countries but also eventually attack outsiders. Then, as a last resort, with the fire power of the (developed nations) armies a genocide will unfold. The current contentious intervention is to prevent and reverse the travel in time backwards. A small number of casualties today is worth every bit preventing a lot tomorrow. Besides you cannot build 50 feet walls around these countries to ‘let them rot’ behind. It’s a (noble) spiritual cause and certainly not a (selfish) religious one. Agree, yes, even Africa/others should be liberated. By these sacrifices, our future generations can live in relative peace hopefully.

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By: Mortal http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21489 Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:17:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21489 Shami:Like many of your fellow Pakistanis (on this blog & elsewhere), you seem to be taking great satisfaction in the terrorist activities on your ‘non-state actors’. It’s quite disturbing to see people like you, taking pride in the fact that 10 of your terrorists, trained & armed to the teeth, sprayed bullets over unarmed civilians, women & children. That was indeed very heroic & brave!It is a well documented fact that your army has been a complete failure since it’s inception. It has lost every armed conflict, it has ever indulged in, while bankrupting your country & destroying it’s democracy & various institutions. The only thing it has succeeded in, is brainwashing people like you into buying the falsehoods, distortions & conspiracy theories that it sells.As for mimicking the west is concerned, if mimicking success & civility is a crime then India is certainly guilty of it. Anyways, mimicking is better than begging, which Pakistan seems to be doing 24/7 all over the world. Where is your sense of pride when your leaders trot around the world carrying their polished begging bowl? Subservience & slavery to America & the west runs in Pakistan’s blood, not India’s. India is self reliant & actually donates to countries like yours.As for leaving Af/Pak alone, sorry to break your bubble but it won’t happen this time. Pakistan is the center of terrorism & it won’t be left alone until terrorism is wiped out from it’s soil. So get ready for more drones, missiles & action on your soil.

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By: G lobal W atcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/08/24/afghanistan-still-the-new-vietnam/comment-page-1/#comment-21488 Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:09:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3460#comment-21488 Umair says:”Perhaps US must forge a true alliance with Pakistan and work to stabilize AFPAK. “–>Alliances are formed only with trustworthy, politically and economically stable democratic governments, of which Pakistan is neither of. Sure there are some of you educated military types with a computer and servants, but that does not mean that your population is literate or civilized. Pakistani’s here keep bragging that they are democratic, but are doing little, or saying little to encourage their neighbour to become a democracy and in fact, trying to subvert democracy in Afghanistan. Afghanistan used to have stylish metropolitan districts in the 60’s and 70’s. There is no more communism, the only hurdle to progress in Afghanistan is trouble started from Pakistan by its state agencies.As far as an alliance goes, Pakistan has nothing that the U.S. wants or needs. For charity sakes, they just need to hire the greedy parasitic punjabi’s in uniforms to clean up their own terrorism mess that they kept on creating for almost three decades after the Soviets and the U.S. left the area. The U.S. will continue to school and push around Pakistan as they see fit and will do so until their mission is successful and don’t kid yourself, if the U.S. mission in Afghanistan fails, the U.S. will forget that it is even temporarily on good terms with Pakistan. Your masters’ don’t care less for your fictitious sovereignty and imagined statehood.

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