Comments on: India and Pakistan: looking beyond the rhetoric http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22810 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:20:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22810 @Yes BJP seems to have made progress even by having Rajnath Singh as leading member but it instills too many hindu doctrines rather than secular party politics.
-by Amrit

Amrit: Rest aside, tell Reuters.
1. a single doctrine of BJP that a Sikh can feel insecure of?
2. what is the thing you love about India?
3. Do you feel angry that Pakistan armed Sikh militants that resulted in thousands of deaths?
Please be specific.

@Yes Sikhs are lions but please dont be patronising us and also making fun,dont appreciate us being protrayed in comedy roles all the time why not any others.
-by Amrit
Amrit: Who is “us” here? Talk about you. This is so not typical of Sikhs what you said. Sikhs are known to play jokes upon themselves and make others laugh.

ALSO, is it not allowed in democracy to say that your views belong to a TRACE minority especially when the commenters of your own community strongly disagree with you?

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22785 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:44:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22785 Mortal Said:

“I don’t know which India or which part of India, you are living in, to feel marginalized because most sikhs that I know of, are doing fantastically well in India. In fact Sikhs are one of the most prosperous communities in India & Punjab is one of the most prosperous states. Sikhs in india have all the power & freedom they need so please check your facts.
– Posted by Mortal ”

–>All Pakistani friends, please take note, Sikhs are happy and living their lives well in India. I can’t say the same for Sikh’s in Pakistan, who are being forced to pay Jizya by the Muslim Terrorists, created by Pak State.

I am punjabi too, but Hindu, nevertheless, extremely proud and happy for the Sikh community, their friendship, progress and hard work. Sikhism is a progressive, friendly, and peaceful religion. Many people would progress much further, if they emulated the Sikh community. Sikhs are the guardians and lions of India and part of the Indian family, they are capable of progressing as far as they want. We don’t need our Pak friends belittling the Indian Sikh’s capabilities to succeed in all fields.

Way to go desi!

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By: Rohit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22761 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:04:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22761 Amrit:

What is secularism? Everyone has a different definition. Your definition will be influenced by your way of thinking. Christian country’s definition are influenced other way around and Islamic nations have extremely well defined secularism. The essence is that one should find an environment to be able to exploit his full potential aimed at development of society and be able to practice his / her set of beliefs with peace. On a lighter note, sometimes I feel, the new religion of this world will be secularism. This new religion would be unable to apply common sense because it will always be busy in cent percent perfection and bring more destruction to society than Islam/ Christianity combined.

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By: Amrit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22717 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:33:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22717 Fine Think what you like I actually work and is the first time I had read these articles.I thought coming from a democracy I could state an opinion without a paranoid response.Yes BJP seems to have made progress even by having Rajnath Singh as leading member but it instills too many hindu doctrines rather than secular party politics.
Yes Sikhs are lions but please dont be patronising us and also making fun,dont appreciate us being protrayed in comedy roles all the time why not any others.
Yes Punjab is a rich region which is why Isaid some of feel that we have made compromises these are the problems of central administrations which is why others favor smaller states.Yes there have been improvements but we are not there at alland Sikhs have to have more representation yes they will have to work harder, no we dont have all the freedom and power YET.

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By: Rohit http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22674 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:09:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22674 Why do we always see Jehadis staring back at photographer? Don’t they laugh?

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By: Mortal http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22616 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:02:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22616 “Rajeev I am an Indian Panjabi and am quite moderate in my religious views (please do not suggest that I am pakistani impersonating a Sikh). But many of us feel we have made compromises and feel let down. The problem is that we have no real representation in Indian politics within extreme parties like BJP” – Posted by Amrit
I agree that your identity is indeed quite questionable. Regardless of whether you are a sikh or a Pakistani impostor, you certainly don’t represent the sikh community in any way, shape or form so just speak for yourself. If you are an Indian Sikh, you should know that the BJP is closely aligned with Shiromani Akali Dal (the only Sikh political entity in India) & enjoys the support of many sikh organizations. As a sikh myself, I have quite a few sikh relatives & acquaintances all over India & I can tell you that many of them support BJP over Congress. I don’t know which India or which part of India, you are living in, to feel marginalized because most sikhs that I know of, are doing fantastically well in India. In fact Sikhs are one of the most prosperous communities in India & Punjab is one of the most prosperous states. Sikhs in india have all the power & freedom they need so please check your facts.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22582 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:49:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22582 @Rajeev I am an Indian Panjabi and am quite moderate in my religious views (please do not suggest that I am pakistani impersonating a Sikh).

Yes India has contained and made steps to normalise the situation
-posted by Amrit

Amrit:
I did not exchange any posts with you. I checked. First off, there is no AMRIT on the blog before you saidn this (correct me; yes do that). But in any case assuming you are a genuine Indian Punjabi Sikh, I will say that I agree with the responses you got from several other commenters. I have lived in the middle of Sikhs in Amritsar for 10yrs and around the country and interacted with them. A majority of friends in Punjab are Sikhs. Sikh community is brave and generous with big heart and Sikhs are so dear to me and I defend them at any cost.
If you want to hold onto your whatever pro-Khalistan views, by following that dentist Tunda from Tanda, I say I’ll you have no basis. If you still want to do that, consider yourself a TRACE minority. India and the majority Sikhs are most happy to ignore you.

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By: Global Watcher http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22541 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:08:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22541 Amrit, you said:

“Rajeev I am an Indian Panjabi and am quite moderate in my religious views (please do not suggest that I am pakistani impersonating a Sikh).

Yes India has contained and made steps to normalise the situation in Punjab. But many of us feel we have made compromises and feel let down. The problem is that we have no real representation in Indian politics within extreme parties like BJP, while this status quo is maintained we still feel marginalized. However BJP tries to imply that it is representing all, this is not the case, there is still the uneasiness that it has too much support of factionist hindus and I for that matter do not feel it represents us.

Yes congress has taken steps, but it will take more than the post of a Sikh as Prime Minister to allocate real power to the Sikhs and this is what needs to be worked on for us to feel a real part of India and not just contained in Punjab.

(Also releasing of films like Singh is King is carricaturing and does not help matters.)”

–>Amrit, India can’t go on setting precedences and carving up its territories for all different minorities everywhere. You have to keep a mental check on who you hang out with, do you hang out with secular people, or people hell bent on creating its own Punjabi state? let me tell you, most Sikh diaspora in Canada, UK, USA, EUROPE are so disenchanted with wasting their time and efforts fighting India with a separate state that since the last 17 years, they have spent their effort on improving their lives and actually building a stronger, more educated, progressive, moderate Sikh community, that is worth of respect and part of the larger Indian family. If you feel Sikhs are underrepresented, why don’t you personally get involved in the political process? Don’t let fellow punjabi’s push their blame stories on your mind, use your own ability to rationalize and understand, that a 2% minority cannot have 15% of the land, which feeds all of India, it simply will not happen, therefore you must realize that it is in the favour of disenfranchised Sikhs to work with the Indian union, and be partners in success. You will realize that a positive, friendly, unfrontational approach will leap Sikh representation lightyears into the future, in Indian politics. Don’t give into the blame games and supremicist and racist views of your fathers have been feeding you, most of it is political crap and to set the history straight on a Sikh nation, Sikhs only had a nation in the now Pakistan area, for only 50 years and then it fell apart. A true Punjabistan, should actually be formed out of Pakistan, it Pakistani land, where the bulk of Punjabi actually is, please educate your self on history, the Sikh forefathers sided with a Hindu India and don’t forget the Sikh heros like Ranjit Singh, and those brave Sikhs that defended India against Islamic oppression. You Sikhs are the lions of India, let’s always work together and love and respect each other, together, we can do anything and Sikhs already have come a huge way. I have lived with Sikhs my whole life, and let me tell, you, most Jatt kids form their views from what their fathers tell them. This life is your time, to step back and forge your own new identity and realize that Sikh society is so much more than just some minority, who is not getting a seat, it is is a Global Nation, that one of its own as a prime minister. Forget about the BJP, they have their own troubles and do not represent fully, a secular and democratic India. But let me be clear, no minorities should ever militarily challenge or even advocate threaten the union or the state, with force, otherwise, they might find themselves on the wrong side of public opinion. Sikhs are smart people and so much more than that and will always find a way to progress, other than violent means or Pakistani fueled terrorism. Please choose your own path and be bigger than what you have been told that you can be.

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22538 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:49:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22538 @Everyone knows those elections were a sham.
– Posted by Fima
FIMA: Sir/Madam: who is “everyone”. Certainly not those kashmiris who voted and baffled the separatists by heavy turnout. Show some credible news to prove your point that the elections were sham. Do not embarass yourself. It was free and fair elections.
http://newshopper.sulekha.com/india-gene ral-elections-2009/news/kashmir-separati sts-baffled-by-high-voter-turnout.htm
How are Kashmiris in POK doing?

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By: Wooferswitch http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/05/india-and-pakistan-looking-beyond-the-rhetoric/comment-page-4/#comment-22533 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:55:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3506#comment-22533 Fima you said
“Which Kasmiris are you talking to, your puppets???
Everyone knows those elections were a sham because majority of Kashmiris rioted and protested against them.
Whose the imposter, why dont you give some details as your knowledge of Kashmir, its poeple is laughable”

A section of Kashmiris and rioters protested. For you they were original kashmiris and all others puppets? Shows your bias towards others there itself. Kashmir is already divided now (a part occupied by pakistan). You are always free to go live in POK if you want to stay with pakistan. Good for you and good riddance for India.

Every citizen of India is entitled to Kashmir as they are entitled to the rest of the country. Kashmir is not entirely yours to divide it as you like. It is an integral part of India and will always be.

Majority protested? A handful of out of work thugs protesting and fuelled by hate mongering mullahs is not a majortiy. Try doing that in your beloved pakistan and you will be roasted to death. Be happy you live in a democracy, or go to pakistan where you would be treated as second grade citizen for generations to come.

India has already given away part of kashmir (thanks to eunuch politicians)in the past. Now Indians have learned their lessons, and not one inch will be given away now

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