Comments on: India and Pakistan: the changing nature of conflict http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/ Perspectives on Pakistan Thu, 01 Oct 2015 19:31:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: HaqsMusings http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-27211 Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:30:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-27211 I have a feeling that this war game exercise in Washington by the former Indian and Pakistani generals was meant to confuse each other about the real war plans, which is what it did. With a significant ballistic missile arsenal that can be used to deliver conventional warheads over long distances accurately, why would the Pakistanis need to use aircraft and risk losing both the pilot and the aircraft deep inside enemy territory, and not hit the intended target?

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By: Anshu http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-24064 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:23:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-24064 I just don’t get it.How can pakistan attack Bangalore.Their planes would be shot down before reaching Bangalore.If you are talking about cruise missiles,then India has already tested its anti missile missile like the patriot of US.It would be inducted into the armed forces soon.

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By: kashi http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-23823 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:23:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23823 pakistan is not a “tarnavala”like you people said it is a nuclear power pak army is not a “tarnavala”you can take the example of recent operation in swat valley.The american forces are in afghanistan for eight years & they just have captured 20 percent area of afghanistan but the pak forces have captured 95 percent of swat in just 1 month and US forces are also shocked from kashif pakistani

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By: rajeev http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-23526 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:19:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23526 @Ali:I agree with you that Pakistan got nothing left to be bled. The Indian paranoia and the “assets” like Taliban/Al-qaida already bled Pakistan.2. If IAF and PAF have both done that then how come this Urdu saying “Kavva chala Haans ki chaal, aur apni chaal bhi bhoola”, fits only for India. Ha Ha!!! hey don’t say that about your own PAF.3. I could have reminded you about 1971 as an ultimate proof of your misplaced jingoism, but I don’t want to do that.Go read correct history first not the distortions and the lies you have been fed by your establishment in school, punctuated by weekly sermons from the terrorists.

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By: Ali http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-23491 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:18:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23491 To the joker who said that India simply needs to move its military to the border and “bleed” pakistan to bankruptcy. Well, Jr. I think you must not be old enough to remember January 2002 when India brought 1 million soldiers to Pakistani border and then suffered major financial losses and a declining business enviornment. Pakistani military bases are all close to the border and it was India that suffered and bled economically! So much for that tactic!Secondly, the guy who said that “atleast IAF was invited to Nellis”, hahaha. The only reason why IAF was invited was to play with them and as soon as the french heard about it, they brought their special EW planes to sniff all the goodies off of the Russian built planes. IAF sucks. And need I remind you that PAF has been to Nellis numerous times and actually WON trophies in the past, including till late 1980s! Recently PAF is gearing up again to attend Nellis next year.Indians forget their “Auqaat” very quickly. There’s a saying in Urdu “Kavva chala Haans ki chaal, aur apni chaal bhi bhoola”, meaning a when the crow tries to walk/dance like the Haans, it forgets its own way of walking as well. Indians have already developed an ego of a superpower while the only thing fueling their egos is their poverty.

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By: Holy Cow http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-23311 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:16:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23311 An interesting concept, Keith.In fact, a similar concept was the main reason for American victory in the cold war. Most of the Russian military expenditure during that time was for a war they knew would never come, due to the whole “nuclear destruction” issue. But at the same time, Russia could not afford to look weak in front of their own people. So they spent their way into financial oblivion.However, this is a case where India should not try and duplicate the US success.Pakistan needs a mobile army, so it can properly deal with militant rebellions as they arise. If it’s army is all stuck on the border with India, it will have no way of easily responding to the insurgents who are slowly taking control of Pakistan.And a Pakistan which falls to insurgency would not be in India’s interests.India really doesn’t need to do anything. Their army and airforce easily beats Pakistan. All it needs to do is remain ready, but avoid any overt posturing.That way Pakistan can do all the pointless bluffing it wants to pretend to look strong in front of its people, but be able to use their army on the insurgents (which remain the important issue here).

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-2/#comment-23308 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:08:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23308 One thing that nevery ceases to amaze me during all this wargaming is that nobody seems to take into account the option of simply doing nothing for the Indians.The best thing the Indians could do militarily is put the army to the field, the navy to sea and the air force up doing combat air patrols. Get the Pakistanis to mobilize and spend huge chunks of their GDP simply sitting in the desert. India could simply defeat Pakistan without ever firing a single shot.The bonus is that along the way, India would be seen as the responsible partner for its self-restraint while Pakistan would face constant criticism and international pressure for not cracking down on terrorists.I wonder what the game plan is for Pakistan in that scenario.

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By: Keith http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-1/#comment-23307 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:04:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23307 Umair,Don’t get too excited. They have media exposes like that on CNN about the US armed forces all the time. Yet, nobody doubts their might. Oh noooo a bad defence procurement. Like that’s never happened to any other country before. However, the IAF is massive and its not relying on a single type of missile for any thing. They can afford to have projects fail. It’s an expensive mistake but it’s not catastrophic. And that distinction has to be made.As for the video with the American Colonel….at least they were invited to Nellis. And while a lot of what he says is true about Indian figher ops, I can assure you that what is said about the PAF behind closed doors ain’t all that different…..you can guess at the compliments being given after their remarkable performance in the FATA and NWFP. Enough bombs to constitute a world war II bombing raid yet with less success than those guys had using a magnifying glass for a targeting scope. Either that says something about the PAF or it says something about the guys who feed them their targets.When it comes to the scenario painted here though, it’s highly doubtful that the PAF could pull it off so easily. It’s a strike that most NATO forces would have a tough time pulling off. And that’s with the latest technology and pilots who get tons of training time. Even the best pilots in the world can’t defy the laws of physics…namely that they would have to fly with very little ammo just to have the gas to get there. It would be difficult for them to defend themselves in that situation and even more difficult to make it out of there. You’d think that a bunch of ex-generals would know that.——-Holy Cow,Your Cope India example has been proven to be BS repeatedly. I’ll throw it on here again:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ f-news/1237790/postsThat’s hardly what you would call a realistic training scenario particularly when it comes to facing off against the USAF or any other western air force. That being said, I am fairly confident that against the PAF, the IAF would perform pretty decently and it would perform more than adequately in a scenario like this.

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By: Richard http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-1/#comment-23301 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:53:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23301 Nice to see that Indians and Pakistanis are at it again; USSR and now USA with all the financial & military power don’t seem to be able to win wars – wake up people it seems that wars are never won!

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By: kp singh http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/09/24/india-and-pakistan-the-changing-nature-of-conflict/comment-page-1/#comment-23260 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:28:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/?p=3642#comment-23260 Pakistanis have deluded themselves with the belief that the Indian military is a clunky, old machine that is rusting by the day. This has been their mindset since Ayub Khan’s days. Their Sabre rattling in 1965 did not win them anything. India in those days did not focus much on military strength as it was led by an idealist who romanced with the idea of peace and friendship. By the time Indira Gandhi came to power, everything changed. She believed in India as a regional power. And though she was corrupt to the core, she put India on the path of military strength. After 1971, India has gone from strength to strength as she encouraged India towards missile technology, satellite launch, and indigenous development on many fronts. Of course, everything did not turn out as wished for. But India has emerged pretty strong in many areas. India did build an infrastructure that would help develop an all round growth in core technologies, including defense research. One can never make everything perfect. Even in the US, many experiments fail during development. Its military advancement is tuned towards China and not Pakistan entirely. So the comparison on number of fighter planes, war ships etc should be done in relation to China. And in that comparison, India is way behind. But Indian IRBMS and nuclear capability serves as a deterrent against China. India accuses China of sponsoring terrorism in its North East and China accuses India of sponsoring the Tibetan Buddhists. Pakistan should not try to get in the middle and start thumping its chest. Pakistan does not compare in any way with India. And this is not a boastful statement. It is the reality. In addition to military strength, one needs economic strength to back a war. The Americans can be at two wars at the same time and can still run their country with no economic issues. India is economically far ahead and it can survive a short term war. That is where the real measure should be. Can Pakistan engage with India in a war and survive economically after that? It would last for a week if a serious war erupts. Pakistan does not have the economic resources to survive after a costly war. It would be easy for India to offer kid gloves and keep Pakistan continue with the war a little longer, while shutting out its supply chains. And that would make Pakistan collapse internally. There will also be diplomatic wars going on at the same time. If Pakistan initiated the war, it will not get any support from most countries in terms of financial aid. As it is the world economy is hurting. No country would want to see its money wasted in unnecessary wars by countries taking their hard earned money for assistance. So the generals in Pakistan must look in all directions to do their calculations. Unless they are itching for a nuclear suicide, they should not venture into wars with any country. India has no interest in fighting wars with Pakistan or any country. But if attacked, it will retaliate. The best thing Pakistan could do is to focus its energy on national development instead of constantly thinking of war with India. This is no cricket match. This is very different from it. Hope Pakistanis realize how warped their minds have become.

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