U.S. aid to Pakistan: the law of unintended consequences

October 8, 2009

U.S. plans to triple aid to Pakistan to $1.5 billion a year appear to have run rather quickly afoul of the law of unintended consequences – by threatening to create tensions between the government and the army.

The Kerry-Lugar aid bill is meant to bolster Pakistan’s civilian democracy and help the country fight Islamist militants.  But it also stipulates that U.S. military aid will cease if Pakistan does not help fight the militants; seeks Pakistani cooperation on nuclear non-proliferation and provides for an assessment of how effective the civilian government’s control is over the military.

The aid conditions have already been criticised by Pakistan’s opposition parties, and in an unusually public statement, the Pakistan Army added its note of disapproval about what is being seen as unwarranted interference in Pakistan’s internal affairs.

During a meeting of his top commanders, Pakistan Army chief General Pervez Ashfaq Kayani noted that ”Pakistan is a sovereign state and has all the rights to analyse and respond to the threat in accordance with her own national interests”, according to the statement.

“Kerry-Lugar bill also came under discussion during the conference,” it said. “The forum expressed serious concern regarding clauses impacting on national security. A formal input is being provided to the government. However, in the considered view of the forum, it is the parliament, that represents the will of the people of Pakistan, which would deliberate on the issue, enabling the government to develop a national response.”

In an editorial, Dawn newspaper cautioned that the row over the Kerry-Lugar bill “is inching worryingly towards becoming a debate about ‘national security’ versus democracy”.

“Right or wrong, wise or unwise, the bill must not become the basis for fresh cleavages between the army and the political opposition on one side and the government on the other,” it said. “The national security–democracy debate is not an either/or issue — national security can and must be protected through the democratic process. Even by Pakistani standards, it is too soon to forget the damage caused by extra-constitutional interventions.”

The Pakistan Army has made it clear it has no intention of taking over the country after former general and president Pervez Musharraf was forced to stand down earlier this year.  But in a country which has spent much of its life under military rule, any hint of political interference by the army tends to be seized upon in Pakistan.

The aid bill, championed by the government of President Asif Ali Zardari, has already been slammed by the main opposition party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif as a humiliation for Pakistan.

At a time when the United States is keen for Pakistan to unite to fight Islamist militants, the last thing it needs is for the country to be riven by arguments both between the political parties and between the government of Zardari and the army.

And the other unintended consequence has been to increase resentment against America for what is seen as unwarranted interference.

(Photos: burning the U.S. flag in Peshawar in a protest over the Kerry-Lugar bill; file photo of army chief General Ashfaq Kayani)

51 comments

We welcome comments that advance the story through relevant opinion, anecdotes, links and data. If you see a comment that you believe is irrelevant or inappropriate, you can flag it to our editors by using the report abuse links. Views expressed in the comments do not represent those of Reuters. For more information on our comment policy, see http://blogs.reuters.com/fulldisclosure/2010/09/27/toward-a-more-thoughtful-conversation-on-stories/

The US is providing the $Money$ so they have the right to set conditions. As the saying goes beggars can’t be choosers. If they don’t preferer the Aid I’m sure it can be put to better use for the Afghan people.

Posted by jimmy jones | Report as abusive

If I understand this article correctly,
(1) There is a stipulation in the American aid bill requiring Pakistan army to stop its support to terrorist groups so that Pakistan government can receive aid money

(2) Pakistan army is unhappy since the bill aims to block Pakistan army’s traditional sponsorship and support to terrorist groups.

(3) Because of (2) there is a rift between Pakistan army and civilian government.

What are the options?

(4) The Pakistan army be allowed to continue its traditional sponsorship of terrorist groups and pakistan government should NOT take the aid money.

(5) Pakistan army stops support to terrorism and Pakistan government takes the aid money

(6) Pakistan army can continue its traditional sponsorship of terrorist groups and Pakistan should still be allowed to take the aid money.

Does the article propose (6) above as the solution to avoid “RIFT” within Pakistan?

In May this year, I had written that the KLB is an opportunity for democratic Pakistan. http://thetrajectory.com/blogs/?p=510
I stand by those comments even today, though the discussion in Pakistan has not noticed this opportunity.
The most important element of the proposed bill is the repeated reference to the ‘people of Pakistan’. U.S. commitment to the needs of Pakistani people is proposed to go beyond the fluctuating government to government relationship. The people of Pakistan cannot be punished for the inability of their Government to optimally utilize U.S. military aid to counter terrorism. The justification for reducing and conditioning military aid to Pakistan is as strong as the rationale for increasing non-military aid to the country. The failure of to realize the socio-economic benefits promised through Kerry-Lugar aid plan will be a failure of Pakistani democracy and not American strategy.

Finally the truth comes out!

Pakistan is not a democracy! It’s a military controlled State! Military decides internal and external policy!

Pakistan’s military rejects strings on US aid
http://blog.taragana.com/n/pakistans-mil itary-rejects-strings-on-us-aid-complica ting-efforts-against-al-qaida-189895/

Posted by Sameer | Report as abusive

Army/ISI are now threatening Zardari and his ambassador to US, Haqqani!

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_deta il.asp?Id=24907

Posted by Sameer | Report as abusive

The aid could be better put to the use of the USA itself as its the most indebted nation in the world itself.

Posted by ratee | Report as abusive

Myra
If you note the ISPR press release, the Army has mentioned the parliament as representative of the will of Pakistani people. In other words, President Zardari is being sidelined and seen to soft with Americans. The US is trying to alter the very nature of Pakistani state through this bill, but this is fraught with dangers. It could spark a tussle between civil and military establishment and alter the equilibrium. The US clearly intends to see a limit in Pakistan military’s role in governance and matters of foreign affairs and defence in Pakistan.
this is a disregard to the nature of Pakistani state as it evolved over the years to the point where it is today. The judiciary, presidency and parliament has already seen tussle, now the GHQ is being dragged in as well with the Kerry Luger bill. The Zardari government together with Pakistan Army routed the millitants out of Swat. Indeed the civilian government would like to co-exist in some model with the Army, and also gain greater civilian rule. But the problem is Zardari government does not have enough majority and leads a coalition in parliament.

While the US is already struggling to devise a proper robust strategy for Afghanistan, any blunder on Pakistan front can sot the US its interests in the region including wider repurcussions for Pakistn too.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Myra
Just want to add one more thing, last year an attempt was made to place the ISI under the interior ministry and the notification was reversed within a few hours. This coincided with the Prime Minister’s visit to Washington. I also feel that Ambassador Haqqani in Washington seems to be Zardari’s man and out of line with the Pakistan Army. All this is linked together, i am sure ISI must be conducting a lot of counter surveillance these days. Also, Pakistan Army will not relinquish control so easily and so quickly.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

“The bill proceeded to demand an effective “civilian control” of the promotion of senior military leaders, military budgets, the chain of command and strategic guidance and planning.” Reported by The News

Wow!!!!!!!!!!1 just Wow
take effective control of senior military promotions, infiltrate the Pakistan Army high command, Zaradri appoint his own man as COAS, media, judiciary all under Zardari?.
Kayani has time running out as he retires in Nov 2010, and through Zardari the US is attempting to effectively hijack Pakistan.
Pakistan is being sold, the bid is just $1.5 bn, I hope someone will defend Pakistan’s honour. Kill the Kerry Luger bill, let Pakistan survive with energy and food shortages and live with honour atleast. After all the rest of the world is also waiting out the recession.

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

ISI bombs Indian Consulate in Kabul lagain!

“Afghan government and intelligence sources have made clear to Al Jazeera that they believe that foreign hands were involved. This was an operation which was planned by a state and not – I quote – a group of bandits.”

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2 009/10/2009108531259700.html

Posted by Sameer | Report as abusive

Political equation rocked by Kerry-Lugar fiasco

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_deta il.asp?Id=24904

Posted by Umair | Report as abusive

Myra:

@The Pakistan Army has made it clear it has no intention of taking over the country after former general and president Pervez Musharraf was forced to stand down earlier this year.”
-Myra says

Myra: There is no need to overtake if PA can run Pak without doing so.

Kerry-Lugar Bill is a litmus test for democratic pakistan(is) to know: who really runs it?—politicians like Zardari–who supported the Bill or Sharif types and PA which is notorious for misusing the resources. Recent example is Musharraf who admitted doing so. History is littered with examples what will happen to the aid if preconditions are not met—-COUNTERPRODUCTIVE (EMPHASIS).

From the article: “”"Pakistan’s army chief met his top commanders at army headquarters in Rawalpindi and reiterated that Pakistan was a sovereign state and had the right to respond to threats in accordance with its interests, the military said.”"

—sure but respond to other threats using non-US money.

“The forum expressed serious concern regarding clauses impacting on national security,” the military said.

–Experts say otherwise. It is in the best interest of Pakistan and its people that PA’s habit of misusing the money in thge name of “national security”.

Let us see who runs Pakistan. Political leaders like Zardari or Kayani/PA.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Pakistan army has a state!

Why controversy in Pakistan over U.S. aid bill?

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCri sis/idUSISL466759

Posted by Don | Report as abusive

Pakistan Army has been violating the sovereignty and dignity of Pakistan’s democracy, judicairy and Parliament for last 60 years!!!

Army’s mismanagement of last 60 years have made Pakistan a nation of beggars!

Do Pakistanis get that?

Posted by Pooja | Report as abusive

Very soon Pakistan’s will hear the sounds of B-52s! That will clear all doubts.

Posted by Ramin | Report as abusive

An army without a leash!

Conditions not favorable to army:

- That Pakistan is cooperating in efforts to dismantle nuclear-weapons related material supplier networks and providing relevant information from, or direct access to, Pakistani nationals associated with such networks.

- That the government is making sustained efforts towards combatting militant groups and has made progress on ceasing support by any elements within the military or its intelligence agency, particularly to any group that has conducted attacks against U.S. or allied forces in Afghanistan or against the territory or people of neighbouring countries.

- That Pakistan is preventing al Qaeda and other militant groups including the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), which was accused of last November’s assault on the Indian city of Mumbai, from operating in Pakistan and attacking neighbouring countries.

- That Pakistan is dismantling terrorist bases in its northwest as well as in the city of Quetta and at Muridke in Punjab, where LeT supporters run a complex.

- That the Pakistani security forces are not “materially or substantially” subverting political or judicial processes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCri sis/idUSISL466759

Posted by Sam | Report as abusive

Are the Talibans more democratic that Pak Army?

The army is particularly incensed that the bill requires that the government oversee “the process of promotion for senior military leaders,”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl d/pakistani-army-slams-us-aid-opposes-ow n-government/article1316111/

Posted by Zaomn | Report as abusive

Forget US Aid, wait for the US Army!

US may shift Afghan war tactics: report

One official was quoted as saying that Al-Qaeda, which is believed now to be largely based in Pakistan, posed a “murderous” threat to US security: “We want to destroy its leadership, its infrastructure and its capability.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art icle/ALeqM5iH1WgxXpLu_caX4-aqObScOIxtVA

Posted by Ramin | Report as abusive

Why is it so hard for Pakistan to give up terrorism? How long they want to sleep with the terrorists?

Posted by DOnna | Report as abusive

What has this army given to Pakistan in last 62 years:
- Lost 4 wars
- Lost East Pakistan
- Lost 99% of West Pakistan to Talibans, Non-state actors, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Chechens, AQ, Arabs
- Lost sovereignty to China
- Mortgaged pride to IMF, WB, US Aid
- Nuke proliferation entitlement

Other than the Army generals, who is doing well in Pakistan?

Posted by Pooja | Report as abusive

The only leverage US now or ever had/has on Pakistan is thru its obscenely large amounts of donations, not its superpower status; as the wily Pak politicians (and army) keep the all season friends china and Saudi Arabia more closer to heart than US. The US will meet a Taliban they fortified in 80s in Pak army/ ISI in future, then they have to blame themselves for the unregulated (read reckless) sums transferred.

Then the pretext was blunting of Russian imperialism in Afghan, now the pretext is chasing AlQaida; the end goals changed but means remained same: Feeding the monster. The clear opposition to strings/regulation is self evident that the mutually agreed upon purpose of aid will be ignored.

Inglorious bastarxs!

Eat our aid, live on our donation, burn our flag!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti cle/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD9 B6S9S00

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Why ISI bombs Indian embassy in kabul?

Leading donor:
India also became one of Kabul’s leading donors – it has pledged to spend $1.2bn on helping rebuild the country’s shattered infrastructure, making it the sixth largest bilateral donor.

Funds have been committed for education, health, power and telecommunications. There has also been money in the form of food aid and help to strengthen governance.

India is building the country’s new parliament building, erecting power transmission lines in the north, and building more than 200km (125 miles) of roads.

It is digging tube wells in six provinces, running sanitation projects and medical missions, and working on lighting up 100 villages using solar energy. It is also building a dam and handing out scholarships to young Afghan students.

India has also given at least three Airbus planes to Afghanistan’s ailing national airline. Several thousand Indians are engaged in development work.

Work on the projects has also moved briskly.
In January, India completed building the 218km Zaranj-Delaram highway in south-west Afghanistan near the Iranian border.

In May, an India-made power transmission line to Kabul and a sub-station were opened, bringing 24-hour electricity to the capital for the first time in 17 years.

The new parliament building in Kabul and a new dam in Herat should be ready by next year.

“India’s success in Afghanistan stirred up a hornet’s nest in Islamabad which came to believe that India was ‘taking over Afghanistan’,” says Ahmed Rashid in his book Descent Into Chaos.

Pakistan, on the other hand, backed and recognised the pariah Taleban regime and gained further strategic depth in the region.

Afghanistan’s interior ministry said the 2008 attack on the Indian embassy was carried out “in co-ordination and consultation with an active intelligence service in the region”.

It was clearly alluding to Pakistani agents, who have been blamed for a number of attacks in Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/74 92982.stm
http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/id INIndia-43011020091008

Posted by Sam | Report as abusive

A true test of the nature of democracy in Pakistan. If the Army is allowed to dictate foreign policy and security policy than Zardari might as well hand over the keys to Kayani. Armies exist to execute policies not make them. It seems to be a tough concept for the Pakistanis to grasp.

If Parliament is the ultimate arbiter of any democracy than it should be given a say on this too. Zardari should put the issue to a vote and let the world see where the Pakistanis stand on democracy. If they reject the conditions (which are less about national security than about transparency) then the world can act accordingly (which means less aid for Pakistan and reduced international diplomatic support). If they accept the conditions and finally subjugate the military to civilian control, then Pakistani will finally be on the path to true democracy, the beneficiaries of which will be the average man on the street.

Posted by Keith | Report as abusive

@Indian Embassy Bombing:
Who tried to kill Indians in Afghanistan again? The tools are the same–Taliban. Is master also the same—ISI? Time will tell.

@Kerry-Lugar Bill:
Except for intervention of politicians in promotions in PA ranks, I have not been able to understand why such a ruckus by PA and its ever-ready supporters in Pakistan burning US-flags over the Kerry-Lugar Bill. What specific modification would a Pakistani like for the bill to be acceptable—-”sovereignity” is too broad a term and says nothing.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Is this the way to ask for US Aid?

Watch the videos …

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009  /oct/08/blitz-will-aim-to-tame-pakistan s-wild-west/

Posted by Sam | Report as abusive

A loan or aids should have conditions! Recipients can go to other countries otherwise! If I was to get a loan from any banks, I must qualify! When I recieve allowances from my parents when I was young, it is regulated with chores, it is negotiable at times according to chores! Whats so different? Why should anyone get free money, I don’t see any other countries freely giving money to anyone!!!!!!!!

Posted by emenot | Report as abusive

‘US military hardware not reserved for Pakistan’

US military hardware is not reserved for Pakistan and can be given to other countries in South Asia as well, warns a powerful American lawmaker Gary Ackerman.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn -content-library/dawn/news/world/06-us-m ilitary-hardware-not-reserved-for-pakist an-rs-02

Posted by Andy | Report as abusive

The difference now is that for the first time in Pakistan’s 62-year history, Western powers are pouring in money to sustain a democratic government.

The criticism revolves around a set of conditions that require the Pakistani army to flush out militants from its territory, desist from interfering in political and judicial processes and crack down on nuclear proliferation networks.

In a recent newspaper article, he argues that neither the Pakistani military nor the government can stop supporting militant organisations or end corruption within the time-frame the Americans have in mind.

But many believe the aid package offers a rare opportunity for the civilian government to tame the unruly Pakistani military and put democracy on solid ground.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/82 92823.stm

Posted by SOman | Report as abusive

How much aid has Pakistan got from best buddies China or Saudi?

Posted by Jay | Report as abusive

Yes General Kayani Pakistan sovereign state with tin cup in hand. They have been begging for aid for more than year. Even if you get everything you asked for, you will never be satisfied and you terrorist attitude will never end.

Going through some of the Pakistani newspapers, it seems that the Pakistani army’s propaganda machinery is in full swing & hell-bent on making Pakistani citizens believe that the Kerry-Lugar bill is a severe breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty, sale of Pakistan to america etc etc. In reality, the stipulations in the bill do nothing more than empower the civilian Govt to a certain degree & tie the monetary aid to the Pakistani army’s performance in eliminating terrorism from it’s soil.
It seems that the corrupt, conniving & immoral generals of Rawalpindi are so much used to unconditionally ruling Pakistan & the free lunches provided by the Bush Admn (in the form of unconditional aids) that it is seething with anger. It’ll be interesting to see who wins this tug of war; Zardari or Kayani.

Posted by Mortal | Report as abusive

This is such a stupid controversy. What is so insulting about the conditions? havent the nuclear proliferator, LeT terrorist and Military General’s rule done us enough damage? Why should we complain to do things that are good for us? Without this money Pakistan dies. The IMF will not loan us another cent and our so called friend in Saudi and China havent done a thing for us so what will change. We are beggars. We cannot be choosers

Posted by khalid h | Report as abusive

The US is slowly twisting Pakistan’s arm into admitting the truth. That truth is that it is Pakistan all along that has been the root cause of Islamic terrorism that is spreading around the globe. Pakistan’s original intention was to fuel enough terrorism to blunt India’s military superiority. A conventional war with India will never work and they have enough record to prove to themselves on that. When the Soviets left Afghanistan, they were licking their lips. The Americans loved them. All the Jihadist machinery that was tested and tried in Afghanistan was ready to be redirected into Indian held Kashmir. For Pakistan, every time they reach a stage for a major move, they lose their leaders. Jinnah died right after achieving Pakistan. Zia Ul Haq died just after the military was ready for the proxy war with India. So they went without a captain to navigate themselves in the direction they wanted to go into. Their anti-Indian sentiment is extremely deep seated and it has skewed all their policies as a result. They have done everything so far with the belief that what they did would help destroy India. Every pact, every alliance and every stage of co-operation has been to ensure that the West turned a blind eye while Pakistan engaged in its nefarious activities. And the West did that for a while until the monster playing on Pakistan’s lap jumped out and started attacking the West. Until they were hurt, the Western powers couldn’t care less for India’s woes against Pakistan sponsored terrorism. India was told to seek diplomacy. But when it hurt them, they came straight and asked Pakistan if they are with them or against them. How long can a lie be relied upon? Some day truth will need to be exposed. And it is frustrating to the Pakistanis to see themselves at the receiving end. The US is directly demanding them to clean up their own toilet. Having left that unflushed all this time, Pakistanis have become comfortable with it and are now complaining that they are being told to flush. They must pull the teeth of their military establishment and make them take orders from a civilian government. And military cannot function as an independent and extra-authoritative unit. That is what has led to Pakistan’s current state where it is fighting with its own tail. So the aid bill is in the right direction. Accountability should be demanded. After all, dollars do not grow in trees. This aid comes from the taxes paid by hard working Americans. And they should be able to demand how their money should be spent. Nothing comes free. If Pakistanis are so concerned about their sovereignty, then let them return the aid and refuse any further aid. Let us see if they’d do that. Zaradari is already counting his cut. It is too late for that.

It will be interesting to see how this bill will affect the relationship between Pakistan and the U.S. Have you heard of Asia Chronicle? The site provides good insight and in-depth news analyses on issues facing Pakistan, along with other Asian countries. Worth a read I think. http://www.asiachroniclenews.com

Posted by hotaruSTAR16 | Report as abusive

The aid bill would provide Pakistan with $1.5 billion a year over the next five years to spend on democratic, economic and social development programs. Indeed Pakistan needs assistance to tackle internal issues. Criticising is easy but when we look into the matter we realize that what needs of Pakistan are. Non-military aid is not for government or military it is merely for the people of Pakistan. Those who are criticising U.S non-military aid are not in favour of progress, development and security of people of Pakistan. Now it is up to Parliament to decide whether aid should be taken for people of Pakistan or not. I must say Media should remain unbiased as there are few factions of media are confusing the situation.

Posted by Haroon | Report as abusive

“The Pakistan Army has made it clear it has no intention of taking over the country after former general and president Pervez Musharraf was forced to stand down earlier this year.”

I doubt any army commander would herald in advance his intention to take over power. History gives enough examples. The very fact that the army makes such announcements public, shows just how fragile the civilian government is and it is also a subtle reminder to the civilian authority as to how thin the dividing line between democracy and martial law is in Pakistan.

One fails to understand though what the fuss is all about. Pakistan wants money, the President has literally spent his entire tenure going round the world imploring donations and funds. Surely the donor is allowed to make stipulations. Knowing past history and the way aid has been diverted, the US deserves credit for getting it right eventually. If the Pakistanis feel insulted, well a polite no thank you would do their image and ego a lot of good.

Posted by Dara | Report as abusive

Anyway US acts, it is more or less going to lose the battle against the Islamic Militants. At this stage the guys are debating whether Taliban is threat or Al Quaeda is a threat to US. I guess the US would do anything to get out of this mess. Maybe it is time for China to step up and lead the battle against Islamic Militants. Some ruthless and real serious fight is more needed more than sissy debates of US like “Money for/ vs Terrorism” which Islamic Terrorist is danger to US and which is not. US should be kicked out of UN security council for all UN today stands for is what US stands for with it’s doggy, Great Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com mentators/kim-sengupta-what-now-for-afgh anistan-obamas-options-1799968.html

Posted by Rohit | Report as abusive

Democracy means what people of a country wish and not the few SOLD OUT leaders that represent them. Problem is Pak army is the only institution that genuinly thinks about the Pakistan all the politicians think about is lining their pockets and getting out of Pakistan. Go Pak Army Go…

Posted by Nuke_Singh | Report as abusive

Coming out with an extraordinary statement, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, yesterday said the legislation was based on the stated policy of the Pakistan government, its military and opposition parties.

“The conditions ask nothing beyond what Pakistan’s own leaders have already promised,” it said.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Kerry-may- visit-Pak-in-next-few-days/H1-Article1-4 63237.aspx

Posted by Sam | Report as abusive

This controversy will disappear when Pakistan’s leaders clearly state if Pakistan is a (a) Military state or (b) Mullah State or (c) 100% Democracy

Until then everyone is confused!

Posted by Nora | Report as abusive

ISI’s Morning gift to people Afghanistan
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2 009/10/2009108531259700.html

and

ISI’s Morning gift to people of Pakistan
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2 009/10/200910965717938522.html

ISI is the enemy of peace and humanity!

Posted by Sam | Report as abusive

Western leaders may not profess to be absolute idiots; but that’s exactly what they are.

Terrorists are nothing but the creation of ISI & Pakistani military who will choke and die the day their parents decide to turn off their support system! But that’s not gonna happen anytime soon!

The Pakistani story runs like this; Army trains terrorists, terrorists kills westerners, Western countrie pay Pakistanis in order to get their support for “war against terror”!

What do you guess Pakistanis do after they get cash… feed the animal which brought the bounty in first place….

Posted by Vinny | Report as abusive

Is there any feeling of Sovereignty still left in Pakistan…always a beggar state and allowing others to attack its own soil thru drones……

It is such a sad picture. And look at the army just awaking now…If K&L bill was 100% for army, would they have criticized??No….The bill says we have to make sure army does not undermine judiciary and democratic institutions…..and gov should control promotions in the army…so army’s —–start to itch badly…..
It is so sad because we have all we need hidden under ground in Baluchistan..Iron, copper, gold, coal, gas, marble, granite…long list….and we are grazing goates on these grounds and begging others for food…like home less and jobless people in the west hold signs (food for work) :(

Posted by Noor | Report as abusive

Noor said:

“It is so sad because we have all we need hidden under ground in Baluchistan..Iron, copper, gold, coal, gas, marble, granite…long list….and we are grazing goates on these grounds and begging others for food…like home less and jobless people in the west hold signs (food for work) :(
- Posted by Noor ”

–>Pakistan, did you hear that loud and clear? Balochistan wants out of Pakistan Republic?

Posted by GW | Report as abusive

It is so sad because we have all we need hidden under ground in Baluchistan..Iron, copper, gold, coal, gas, marble, granite…long list….and we are grazing goates on these grounds and begging others for food…like home less and jobless people in the west hold signs (food for work)
- Posted by Noor

Last time I checked, Chinese own all the mines and oil resources.

Posted by Sandy | Report as abusive

we are grazing goates on these grounds and begging others for food…like home less and jobless people in the west hold signs (food for work)
- Posted by Noor

Dear Noor,
Punjabis might steal ur goat and make you goat-less soon! Keep an eye on them!

Posted by Suri | Report as abusive

i think it will be so kind of of indians to leave pakistan alone. We don’t want any kind of relation with india so please you just go to hell. I think india should more focus on their own country , their poor people, more than a dozen separatist arms movements, more than half population living for just a dollar a day, millions depriaved of any social living because they are from low caste or they are not hindu, millions without basic living, So please go and solve these rather than telling others and commenting on pakistan. It will be better for India and its poor people.

Posted by bilal | Report as abusive

@i think it will be so kind of of indians to leave pakistan alone. We don’t want any kind of relation with india so please you just go to hell.
–posted by Bilal

Bilal: That’s exactly Indians did for 6 decades–”left you alone”, but your countrymen are coming to our homes and blowing away our innocent citizens. The day Pakistan stops terrorism in India, we will leave you alone. Until then we want to keep a close eye on what you are cooking? Because we do not trust Pakistan’s words.

Posted by rajeev | Report as abusive

Baluchis are Pakistanis like Punjabis, Pathans and Sindhis. All of them have made sacrifices for the country. Baluch Regiment soldiers were keeping peace during Partition and were saving thousands of their compatriots. In all the wars with India they were foremost in defending Pakistan. Even now they will take care of their province & keep Al-Qaeda out. Baluchistan is the richest of our provinces and soon all those resources are going to transform their lives. GW keep watching.

Posted by Mansoor Siddiqui | Report as abusive

[...] He spoke out fiercely against a reported incursion by U.S. ground troops in 2008 and in 2009 condemned provisions in the Kerry-Lugar U.S. aid package which called for greater civilian oversight of military appointments and [...]

[...] – the army blamed ambassador Haqqani in 2009 for provisions in the U.S. Kerry Lugar aid bill giving the government greater power over the military – were quickly beaten [...]