Fear drives conspiracy of silence in Pakistan

October 26, 2009

Many Pakistanis and their leaders may hate the Taliban, but few dare speak openly against them for fear of reprisals from the hardline Islamist group.

The militants have carried out four attacks and killed at least a dozen people since the army launched an assault on their South Waziristan stronghold, while more than 150 people were killed in a deadly spree preceding the offensive – including a brazen raid on army headquarters in Rawalpindi.

Yet despite the attacks, few Pakistanis are prepared to come forward and bear witness against the militants.

While Naveed Haider was not afraid to give his version of events after witnessing the drive-by shooting of an army brigadier in the capital, he said he understood why others were more relectuant.

“They are scared,” he said pointing to a dozen people standing around him. “The shooting took place in front of all these people, but no one will speak because they are fightened.”

“What can we do?” a man in the crowd responded. “We are poor people. How can we speak?”

The apparent fear is not confined to ordinary people and seems even to have struck the country’s leaders — many who don’t move without a heavy bodyguard.

Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani invited political leaders for a briefing with the army chief before the South Waziristan offensive,  but former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, the main opposition leader, and Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, an Islamist ally of the government, declined to attend.

“Nawaz falls ill, Maulana flies off, both avoid Taliban fury,” The News said.

Though Sharif was represented by his brother Shahbaz, chief minister of central Punjab province, the newspaper quoted unidentified “knowledegable sources” as saying that Sharif opted out because he didn’t want to be viewed as supporting the offensive “at a time when the Taliban had already started vengeful strikes in different parts of the country”.

Underlining security concerns, Shahbaz is seeking the postponement of a Punjab by-election due early next month on the grounds that the family faced threats from the militants.

Rehman, head of Jamiat-e-ulema-e-Islam, the country’s largest Islamic political party which draws much of its support from the northwest where most of the militants operate, also missed the government’s briefing on the offensive, the newspaper said. He has received threats from the militants in the past.

Some analysts say Sharif’s ambivalence might be linked to his political rivalry with President Asif Ali Zardari who has seen his popularity plunge, but local media urged a stance against extremism.

“At this time of great danger, we must also ask: what else will shake leaders such as Nawaz Sharif, who are still on the fence, to take a firm stand against militants and support the effort to subdue them?” Dawn asked in an editorial entitled “The evil in our midst”.

Karachi resident Quratulain Shafi, in a letter published in the Daily Times, called on politicians to bury their differences in the face of mounting problems faced by the country. “Stick to your word,” he said.

“We need both major political parties … to work together and with an eye on Pakistan’s interests, rather than their own, if the country is to succeed in defeating the current challenges.”

(Photos: Police in Lahore, and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif)

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Return to Composite Dialogue, Gilani Tells Indiahttp://news.outlookindia.com/item.a spx?668408Ohh .. now I see why he is so desperate to talk to India. Because there is no one to talk to in Pakistan! Leaders in Pakistan fall ill or fly off before meetings!

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Only Pakistanis can decide what is better for them. People in Pakistan are mindful, have access to a free media and internet and can decide what is good for them.- Posted by UmairFrom this post, it is clear that Pakistan army/ISI are worse than Taliban for Pakistan civilians. Innocent civilians even can’t protest against army/ISI when houses are bombed form sky or from 20 miles or when their entire family is tortured to get information.Did you for get the army abuse videos? What happened to the guilty officers? Are the missing people in Balochistan or SWAT or FATA ever going to return home?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5bj N3Q6aA8

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Only Pakistanis can decide what is better for them. People in Pakistan are mindful, have access to a free media and internet and can decide what is good for them.- Posted by UmairThen why is the Army telling people what to do? Army controls Pakistanis or Pakistanis control army? Even before the Kerry-Lugar billis discussed in Parliament, army had rejected it. Does it happen in a civilized country?Looks like the army controls Pakistanis, politicians, mullahs and media? Under these conditions, how can Pakistanis decide what is right, when they don’t know what is true?All military-mullah propaganda and misadventure to steal hopes and future of Pakistanis!

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It is really sad to see the events unfolding inside Pakistan. If the leaders do not take bold steps at moments like these, they are going to be sidelined by the population. This will lead to lack of leadership, military coup, martial law, mindless brutality, arrests, torture, deaths in custody, rebellion and lawless streets. Why did your military leaders choose militancy as a proxy weapon? Look at what it has led to. You will soon find the Haqqanis, Hekmatyars and other militant leaders turning around and taking a huge chunk of Pakistani regions under their control. And they will engage people against each other. It is still not too late. Pakistan can seek help from the regional countries like India, China, Iran and global powers like the US to step in and help. You guys cannot handle it alone anymore.

The fear of the terrorists is genuine for a common man but cannot be justified for people like Nawaz Sharif. They want to get political mileage out of it at the expense of their country. Shame on them and those who call Sharif a “lion of Punjab”!________________________Ramin:An y word on Kashmir unites politicians, generals, separatists, terrorists (even TTP chief Mehsud would come out and join the chorus) in Pakistan. They all look alike then. So uttering the K-word works as an ointment in troubled times, nothing else, otherwise who in Pakistan has time for this issue amidst this hell.PM Gilani also says:”Gilani said Islamabad has a “policy of peaceful co-existence with all its neighbours”–cough, cough. Obviously Islamabad is not implementing its policy since India, Afghanistan, Iran blame Pakistan for terrorism. Even China complains about terrorism from Pakistan to Uighuir Muslims in China. So the regional approach so far has been contrary to the above statement.@ (Pak) backed a regional approach for combating terrorism.–which approach he is talking? The one they are doing inside Pakistan is called self-survival, no big deal.”Pakistan wants to live and let others live peacefully. We are a responsible nuclear state. We have an effective command and control system,” he added.–live peacefully—may be; but let others live peacefully—not so far.

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Erdo?an (Turkish PM) said his country will assume the command of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan on Nov. 1 while terming the problem a “disturbing issue.”- Posted by UmairSo now Turkey is going to bomb Pakistan?

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As a Pakistani I can assure you, Pakistanis trust their army much more than the corrupt politicians, which is evident from the support army is getting for these operations it is conducting in the northern areas. We’d take an army takeover over Zardari any day. It is the “democracy” the western world is so crazy about and pushing on everyone else whether they want it or not, that we are bearing this corrupt government.No we will not be asking India or USA to help because those two, we don’t trust. Simple. We can take care of the insurgency ourselves.India can help us in building up the trust by not stoking the insurgency in their neighboring country via Afghanistan. They should not forget that eventually USA will leave. It is losing the war badly. Instead of using USA’s presence to settle scores with Pakistan, India should think long term and what is in the best interests of the region and itself.USA should get out of Afghanistan and Pakistan while it can still save some face. It created and funded the Taliban it is fighting against today just to win its energy war in Eurasia, a war it is losing fast. Afghanis don’t like them. Pakistanis don’t like them. Iran doesn’t like them. China doesn’t like them. No one in our region other than India likes them. And no one in our region likes India either. No wonder they found a friend on the other side of the world.Don’t worry about Iran’s relations with Pakistan. They blamed USA and Britain for the bomb blast. And said Pakistan’s land was used by those countries to carry out the attack. Their interior minister came to Pakistan yesterday and said this himself. And today we caught 11 of their national guards inside our borders. So we have these little border misunderstandings a lot and we always get over them. Our good relations stand. China of course is our all weather friend. We also enjoy great relations with Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Nepal. With Afghanistan, we share family.When all the countries in our region get along with each other well other than India, then there is something wrong with India and it should work on it, rather than falling even further down in the eyes of the neighbors by creating havoc in Pak and hurting interests of all countries in the region. It should instead focus on its own growing Maoist insurgency that is gaining ground fast.The militancy in Pakistan will be over once USA leaves Afghanistan because it is reactionary to their presence. Our govt, for aiding the US occupation, gets the brunt. That’s no wonder since even the general public in Pak is against US occupation and holds a very negative view of that imperialist country.So all in all, I think people should actually EDUCATE themselves about the country they are so passionate about discussing first.

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Pakistanis too scared to leave home, many want to flee countryhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.co m/world/pakistan/Pakistanis-too-scared-t o-leave-home-many-want-to-flee-country/a rticleshow/5166427.cmsPeshawar-based Mustafa Kamal has had enough: he has just got his12-year-old son freed from a band of criminals in the lawless tribal area of Khyber agency by paying a ransom. He has left a lucrative job with Pakistan’s telecommunication department and now has the immigartion papers for Canada ready for his entire family.So if Pakistanis are abandoning Pakistan, who needs Kashmir?

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“When all the countries in our region get along with each other well other than India, then there is something wrong with India and it should work on it” – Posted by MJAThis is another piece of fictitious, fallacious & ridiculous nonsense, churned out by the Pakistani army propaganda machinery & bought by some hapless & clueless Pakistanis. I’ve heard this BS a few times from Pakistanis, so lemme set the record straight.Every country in the world has some issues with it’s neighbors & india is no exception but India’s relations with all it’s neighbors, except Pakistan, by & large, are good:India-Bangladesh: India was instrumental in the creation of bangladesh & India has great relations with Bangladesh’s Awami league & other democratic parties. Pakistan’s ISI has tried to create problems between India & Bangladesh by nurturing radical & terrorist outfits in Bangladesh but it hasn’t worked. India has invested in building Bangladesh’s industries as well as educational institutions.India-Nepal: India & Nepal enjoy very good relations. The Indo-Nepal Treaty of Peace & Friendship? defined security relations & bilateral trade relations between the two countries. It stated that “neither government shall tolerate any threat to the security of the other by a foreign aggressor” These accords cemented a “special relationship” between India and Nepal that granted Nepal preferential economic treatment and provided Nepalese in India the same economic and educational opportunities as Indian citizens. Indian tourism & investment is instrumental in fueling Nepal’s economy.India-Sri Lanka: India-Sri Lanka relations were sketchy in the early 80′s due to India’s support of the LTTE but then India realized it’s mistake, ended support to the LTTE & sent in the IPKF (Indian Peace keeping Force) to fight the militants. Today India & Sri Lanka enjoy very good relations & trade between the 2 countries has been steadily rising, as has been, military cooperation & cooperation in international affairs. India has made direct investments in Sri Lanka’s private & public sector industries and also assisting with building Sri Lanka’s infrastructure.Indi-China: Indo-China relationship has undergone times of both war and peace. It has been characterized by both border disputes, resulting in military conflict, and by economic cooperation. Both countries, have in recent years successfully attempted to reignite diplomatic and economic ties, and consequently, the two countries relations have become closer. India-China trade which in 2008 was app. $60 bn is expected to be app. $200 bn by 2012. As trade relations between the 2 get stronger, it is highly likely that the border dispute between them will be settled diplomatically, rather than militarily.India-Afghanistan: It’s well documented on this blog that India is doing tremendous work in the reconstruction of Afghanistan. It is helping build Afghanistan’s institutions as well as it’s infrastructure. Afghan people appreciate this gesture & blame the Pakistani army/ISI for the destruction of their country.India-Iran: The 2 countries have friendly relations in many areas & there are significant trade ties. Iran has frequently objected to Pakistan’s attempts to draft anti-India resolutions at international organizations such as the OIC. In the 1990s, India and Iran both supported the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan against the Pakistan supported Taliban regime. They continue to collaborate in supporting the Karzai led Govt. Their relations are warm to the extent that many components of Iranian culture have been incorporated into Indian culture & vice versa.

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Muslims pride in the belief of the afterlife and respect for our current existence. But now it seems we just don’t give a damn about it all. If I were to tell you that a governor was appointed for paying massive amounts of dollars or a minister is making money by selling LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) files, I can guarantee you no less than a thousand emails and text messages would be circulating Pakistan. We are not a nation of drama queens. Enough is enough!http://ahraza.wordpress.com/2009/ 10/26/enough-is-enough/

MJA: “India can help us in building up the trust by not stoking the insurgency in their neighboring country via Afghanistan. They should not forget that eventually USA will leave. It is losing the war badly. Instead of using USA’s presence to settle scores with Pakistan, India should think long term and what is in the best interests of the region and itself.”Mr. MJA,This is the same flour that is being ground over and over again. You people should try to come out of it sometime. Otherwise, you will not get out of the situation you are in. You must realize that many of us wish you people good during difficult times. Yet you keep saying the same thing again and again. This means you have been institutionalized by the system. You cannot think of any other alternative. A military cannot run a government. They cannot maintain street level security. They cannot do most of what a civilian government do. Most of all, they cannot negotiate. They believe in direct combat to diplomatic means. I don’t blame them. They are a military after all. But a military is no government. It is just a department under the government, just like the Supreme court or the Electricity board. Imagine if these departments ran the government instead of elected politicians. Your military is not devoid of corruption either. So do not delude yourself on that. Some of your generals are making clandestine deals with arms agents to get big commission that can be stashed abroad for a “rainy day.” Ask Musharraf and he can share with you all the deals first hand.Your military is the reason why your country is on the brink now. It has engaged in unnecessary conflicts with India, without realizing that India is a very big entity and can offer kid gloves to your military’s punches. Your military sucked up most of the budget and its officers get the best of everything. It runs like a corporation investing in real estate and businesses. It engaged in genocide in East Pakistan and none of its generals have been punished for it as well as the dismemberment of Pakistan into two Muslim states. It jumped in with the US in the Afghan conflict eagerly because it was going to get a lot of American support, money and weapons. And the Americans turned a blind eye on your stealthy nuclear development. It courted Islamic fundamentalism. It created the Taliban. It leaked nuclear technology to rogue nations. It has done nothing for Pakistan. It helped Al Qaeda grow inside Afghanistan. Kindly do not play victims now. It is your own military’s undoing. It has held your psyche tightly controlled by using India as a perpetual enemy and you are parroting what they are projecting. Militancy, wars etc will never help any nation survive. Your nation is a classic example of that. Even in this critical stage, you are not hesitating to threaten India. We can surely help if there are people in your country willing to take it. This is with the hope that they will rise against the monster that has brought your country to where it is.Remember that India gains nothing by what is going on in your country. We’d like to move on and co-exist with all neighbors. That is why India did not interfere in Sri Lanka this time. It did not interfere inside Nepal either. The policy has changed to that of mutual respect. Do not live in the past. Look towards the future and see what you can do.

India can help us in building up the trust by not stoking the insurgency in their neighboring country via Afghanistan. They should not forget that eventually USA will leave. It is losing the war badly. Instead of using USA’s presence to settle scores with Pakistan, India should think long term and what is in the best interests of the region and itself.-Posted by MJAIndia is building roads, buildings and other infastructure projects in Afghanistan, as well as offering medical care to the Afghan people. This also provides the Afghans with employment. This a hell of a lot more than what Pakistan offered the Afghan people in the guise of the Taliban regime with their barbaric, backward ways.India is rebuilding what you destroyed and if you see that as a threat then you need to change your perception. DO NOT forget that India has not fired ONE bullet on Pakistani soil, yet Pakistan murdered over 100 people in Mumbai and over 50 Afghans by bombing the Indian Embassy in Kabul.We have no scores to settle. The monster you created and nurtured to use against India is now attacking you. Scores are settled, but they are in the hands of a higher power. India did not have to even lift a finger. India is still economically strong; Pakistan needs the KL Bill.

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“This is another piece of fictitious…..” – Posted by MortalError: I meant ‘fictional’ not ‘fictitious’.

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iCasualties.org: Operation Enduring FreedomFatalities by Year and Monthhttp://www.icasualties.org/OEF/ByMo nth.aspxKABUL, Afghanistan — Eight Americans died in combat in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday, bringing October’s total to 53 and making it the deadliest month for Americans in the eight-year war.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/wo rld/asia/28afghan.html?_r=1&hp-The loss of live is tragic, be it ordinary civilians caught up victims in attacks or soldiers. The cycle of violence in Afghanistan has to end one way or other. A working group of Pakistan, Iran, India, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey should work out an end to the conflict. This would include negotiations with reconcilable Taliban. Those who do not agree to lay down their arms must be fought with, unless the occupation of Afghanistan ends the conflict will not stop.

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it is easy for others around the world to sit securely behind their computers and TV sets and tell others what to do. As a soldier who has fought in iraq and afghanistan, I have seen the fear and carnage that the civilian population has to live thru.It does not matter what the political situation is on how tight the security is. the methods of taliban and other suicide bombers is one that is nearly impossible to stop. their methods are cowardly and pathetic, but unfortunately they work. although i can understand the sentiments from India, they still are not going thru what an everyday pakistani is going thru. keep in mind that only a few years back, the economy of pakistan was growing just as fast as it was in india and progress was being made. to suggest what and how pakistanis need to be doing is mistake because you have no idea what it is like for them.It is no secret the politicians in pakistan are all corrupt and that “democracy” was forced upon pakistan. perhaps, democracy needs to take a backseat until the security situation imporves and India needs to do their part by taking their threats down some if they wish to gurantee that this problem does not spread into their region as well.

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Here is an article from the Dawn that talks about what Pakistani people should do. People like Umair, MJA etc should take a look and start opening their eyes. The enemy is within. It has taken over the hearts. It is time to undo it. That will help Pakistan in the long run. Here is a chance.http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/conne ct/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakist an/14-ideas-can-win-the-war-zj-06

Moderate Pakistanis should realize that India is not the enemy. Hatred of India is. And this enemy is the root cause of all problems afflicting Pakistan today.

why dont they have a unity govt in their country to clear up the mess the military after muzaffar rule.mr nawaz sharif is the most experienced politician of this time and he should be urged to save the country.Has’nt the military not done enough damage to the society as a whole. The army needs to be reformed from its colonial structure to become a national army.they should defend the borders or stay in barracks well outside the cities.they must give up their privileaged status previously used by brits to live in cantonments.national armies do not indulge in indiscriminate bombing of civilians and destrution of private homes.the militry commanders who are ordering the use of areal bombing on civian homes and indiscriminate use of long range artillery must be brought to justice.the death of innocents whether by nato bombing or pakistan own military should be regarded as a human right violation.Mr sardari should forget his love with chief of staff, and take the courage to dismiss him!!This will show the world that the civilian govt. is now in place and the country is no longer drifting towards a failed state.Alternatively the country could break apart and drift towards separation of provinces from the central govt. one by one. I am sure the president has not forgotten the military adventure in former east pakistan.Mr sardari should take the currage and invite Mr nawaz sharif for the unity govt.On both sides of the border pashtoons are dying, as recently stated by mr karzai, this must stop.If messrs sardari and gillani are the civilian bosses of the whole country then why are they not speaking up, is it because they do not speak pushto language?

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Who is responsible for the current situation??The answer to the question is Pakistan itself.It makes me laugh when some pakistani ministers and bloggers say that “foreign elements” are involved in the recent attacks.These were the same militants that were allowed to take on swat in exchange of peace and imposition of shariah.Why did the pakistani government make a deal with the taliban in the first place???

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While the “Fear drives conspiracy of silence in Pakistan” Kashmiris from POK have woken up and officially condemned Pakistan’s 1947 invasion. These are Kashmiris from POK in UK.”He said when local people protested the activities of the LeT militants in PoK, they were murdered or disappeared. The comments by the Britain-based PoK leader of the presence and mushrooming of LeT and other Pakistani jihadi groups in occupied Kashmir comes as New Delhi has been pointing to the presence of militant camps across the border.”The Conference, organised by Kashmir National Party, condemned “tribal invasion” of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947, charging it was planned and supported by government of Pakistan.”Mujtaba Ali Shah said the annexation of Gilgit-Beltistan through dictatorial means and the imposiition of the governor on the occupied people had fully exposed Pakistan and its false claim that Pakistan was a sincere friend of Kashmiris.”http://timesofindia.indiatime s.com/videos/news/Kashmiri-groups-condem n-Pakistans-1947-invasion/videoshow/5153 636.cms

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Pakistani drive may be A lesson for Afghanistan?http://www.washingtonpost.co m/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR20 09102603042.html?wpisrc=newsletter“Pakis tan’s military offensive in Waziristan, and the negotiations that preceded it, may be a paradigm for the U.S.-led coalition forces in Afghanistan as well as for the fight against al-Qaeda and other extreme Islamist groups in the Afghan-Pakistani border area.”"The military plan was to approach the targeted Mehsud area from three sides.”"Pakistani officers, who had years earlier formed an alliance with Nazir Ahmad, bought off his support by guaranteeing that the U.S. drone attacks on his territory would halt.”"Pakistani military gained control of some major road segments in the area, setting up blockades intended to separate Mehsud’s Taliban.”"Pakistani army forces gained use of the town of Wana in Nazir Ahmad’s territory for their forces moving up from the southwest.”"The Pakistani military’s invasion of the Mehsud tribal heartland — about 40,000 soldiers supported by helicopters and fighter bombers coming from three areas — has progressed deliberately.”"the Pakistani military has learned lessons from its earlier efforts to defeat Afghan Taliban groups and is applying them to the current effort. “-A slap on the face of those critics of Pakistan Army, once again a professional Army conducting a military operation with highest degree of efficiency acting as a role model for coalition forces in Afghanistan.Men at their best. Pakistan Army!

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Umair writes: “A slap on the face of those critics of Pakistan Army, once again a professional Army conducting a military operation with highest degree of efficiency acting as a role model for coalition forces in Afghanistan.Men at their best. Pakistan Army!”Pakistani army creates the Taliban in the mid-90s. It helps the Taliban defeat the war lords inside Afghanistan by training them, providing them with ammunition, tanks and even its own soldiers. Pakistan is only one of the two countries that recognize Taliban as a governing party in Afghanistan. Taliban is now touted as providing a strategic depth to Pakistan’s defenses against India.Now, Pakistani army is fighting the Taliban. And it is not fighting the real Taliban that is sitting comfortably in Quetta. It is not fighting the Haqqani and Hekmatyar factions. These are the real assets of the Pakistani army. And they have an “understanding.” So Mehsuds will be wiped out and the mighty Pakistani army will declare it as a victory against the terrorism it helped create in the first place.In all, Pakistani army has made a full circle. The only byproduct is suicide bombs and gunshots inside Pakistan. So what exactly has been achieved?All this is time buying tactics to throw dust in the eyes of the coalition forces sitting inside Afghanistan. The belief is that Americans will pat the Paki military for hanging the Mehsuds and declare Pakistan as a peaceful nation.Do not declare victory yet. One has to wait and see what happens after the dust settles. The Americans thought Afghan war had been won in 2001 after bombing the daylights out of the barren land. They are still sitting there and Taliban is still there. Now they are talking about making a deal with the Taliban and restricting their mission to beating a dead horse named Al Qaeda.We are not too naive. We know what’s going on. That’s why no one is able to trust the intentions of the Paki army.

Sgt Desouza writes: “although i can understand the sentiments from India, they still are not going thru what an everyday pakistani is going thru. keep in mind that only a few years back, the economy of pakistan was growing just as fast as it was in india and progress was being made. to suggest what and how pakistanis need to be doing is mistake because you have no idea what it is like for them”Sorry sir. I don’t think you have any idea what Indians have faced. Surely anyone facing terrorism should be sympathized with. If that is the case, then you should know that India has been the victim of Pak sponsored terrorism since 1989. We have lost close to 70000 people due to the militants in many parts of the country. We were very angered when this injustice has been overlooked by many of your countrymen all these years. No one would condemn these dastardly acts and on top of that would arm and fund the Pakistanis. After Mumbai attacks, India is still seeking diplomatic means to get justice. Do you think those 170 poor souls who died at the hands of the militants in Mumbai are children of a lesser God?I appreciate your concern for Pakistanis. But be fair. We are the victims of their acts for a long time. Your countries did not care about us. We are not celebrating when their people die at the hands of militants. They are reaping what they sowed. That is all we are pointing. We are telling them not to seek criminal ways to engage with other nations. Please try to be fair when you make statements of this kind.

what a shame for the professional army to conduct military operations on its own people!and what a shame for the professional army to commit hineous acts of aerial bombardment of civilian homes and use of long range artillery pieces.Equally what a shame for the civilian govt. asking once again for army’s involvement in internal security matters;have they not learnt a lesson from the past episodes. mr Umair is requested to reflect on afghan’s president comments regarding coalition forces action as well as Pakistan army’s adventure causing the death of pushtoons on both sides of the border.

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I dont think Pakistan or the Pakistan Army has any other option but to wipe out this cancer which threatens to destabilise not only Pakistan but the entire region. Of course mistakes have been made in the past but its never too late to correct. Pakistan needs to reinvent itself as a Moderate Progressive Islamic Nation. Political Leaders need to have the courage to standup and provide correct guidance to the nation at this crucial juncture.

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“Men at their best. Pakistan Army!”- Posted by UmairLMAO! Best at what? Creating, nurturing, aiding & abetting terrorism for decades and when coerced & bribed, wipe out some of it in order to appear victorious? They are really the best at that!

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Half of Pakistan army is infiltrated by Talibanis, AL Quaedas. That is why they are able to stage most daring attack on their HQ’s. One day one may find a Pak Fighter Plane dropping bomb on Islamabad, Army Headquarters and pilot shouting Hail Osama Bin Laden! Fighting breaking out between army themselves… Some shouting Tehrik e Taliban Zindabad and rest wondering what to cry.

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Large blast hits Peshawar market (all news media)Well, well. Time for the conspiracy theories to come to an end. Pakistan-made terrorists strike again. A slap in the face of security in Pakistan and a heightening of fear.

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CLINTON ARRIVES ON PAKISTAN VISIT (BBC)Last week the US Senate passed a big defence spending bill which aims to ensure that military aid to Pakistan is used solely to fight America’s “war on terror”.It sets tough new conditions which say that no resources given by the US to Pakistan may be used against India.(India has NEVER fired a shot at (or in) Pakistan. Yet we know that Pakistan created terrorists to do their dirty work for them. Officers do not want to get their pretty uniforms dirty.)The bill also stipulates that US military hardware sent to Pakistan must be tracked to see where it ends up.(Like a criminal with an electronic tag so he/she can be monitored).Correspondents say the bill is likely to fuel tensions over what Islamabad sees as US interference in its domestic affairs.(What domestic affairs is that? Pakistan uses its territory for terrorist training camps to use against India and the NATO forces in Afghanistan).Earlier this month, US President Barack Obama signed into law a $7.5bn aid package for Pakistan tripling non-military US aid to an annual outlay of $1.5bn for five years.The aid money will not be directly handed over to Pakistan but will be spent on different development projects through the US embassy in Islamabad, Washington says.(Pakistan cannot be trusted with other people’s money and has been proven in the past even by Musharaff’s admittance that George W Bush’s money was used to buy military equipment against India when it should have been spent to use against the terrorists he allowed to be nurtured in Pakistan who are now terrorising Pakistan).

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if the blast in peshawar is not enough to put to rest the pakistan bashing, then you all are hopeless. as i stated before, it is real easy for most of you hiding cowardly behind your computers and television and criticize and make snide comments, that’s because most of you are not living with the fear of becoming a victim of these attacks. I have seen upclose and personal the every day fear these people have to live with it and it is heart wreanching. I pray for all these victims and their family and all of pakistan.

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I’m very sorry to hear about today’s terror attack in the Peshawar market killing 93 people. All of us, Indians, Americans etc. empathize with the Pakistani people & hope that they can rid themselves of these animals who kill innocent humans at will. The Pakistani army needs to move the troops stationed on the eastern border to Pakistani cities & towns & protect it’s citizens.

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BTW,I have strangely seen key mouth pieces like Ahmed Quaraishi, Hamid Gul, Nawaz Sharif, Musharraf, Zardari, Imran Khan and the Big Boss of the Judiciary, Iftikhar Chaudry, all curiously silent in their cowardice on all this Taliban Terrorism and militantism taking over their country, but ready to thump their chest over fighting with India, how shameful, you have shown your colours, none of them are actually willing to publically show courage for their country, what a shame, fear has taken over the brave and courageous Pakistani narcists who talk a big game and act tough, when they need votes.Is any one of these so-called men, do any of them have enough courage to take the fight public against extremism and willing to sacrifice themselves for the love of their country? I think not, they sit quietly like cowards, hoping that things will die down.Silence is cowardly and cowards to do not deserve to run in office, if they are not willing to speak out with courage and protect their country. Can the corrupt politicians not even set their differences aside for the greater good of their country, to save it?The only ones with courage in Pakistan are the innocents average Pakistani’s and the Soldiers who are dying every day.

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Just to add to my previous point, even Hamid Karzai deserves his post more than any Pakistani leader does. Karzai, at least, no matter how corrupt he is, has the balls to publically challenge the militants and take a moral stand against the militants.

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ISI mentored Talibans roam Pakistan and kill innocents at will, Pak politicians are dead silent and busy hiding them selves. No one has courage to speak against ISI or Taliban!Who will save innocent civilians from the deadly clutches of ISI or Taliban???http://blog.dawn.com:91/dblog/ 2009/10/28/attacking-our-way-of-life/

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Condolences for the loss of innocent civilian lives in Pakistan!Hope Pakistanis will rise above and against the ISI, Mullahs and Taliban menace soon!

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Karzai’s is a corrput narco-criminal regime composed of local drug lords and war mongerers, literally the mayor of Kabul rather than the president of Afghanistan, Karzai wouldn’t dare venture outside Kabul without private American contracted security escort. What a shame i really feel sorry for Karzai. Even local tribal chiefs wield more authority than him, Karzai has no moral basis to be the leader of Afghanistan.

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apart from doing its un peace keeping assignments, is pa now being groomed for the role of an expeditionary force? no wonder,there are not many nations who could afford to pay the salary of a general to the army press officer. one must feel sick to listen to a general announcing the dedemise of its soldiers and civilians!!

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if the blast in peshawar is not enough to put to rest the pakistan bashing, then you all are hopeless. because most of you are not living with the fear of becoming a victim of these attacks.- Posted by staff sgt. Desouza===Sgt. Desouza Sir, you seem to get quite a bit carried away on your line of Indians don’t know what it means to be in fear of terrorism. Sir, I assume you are from outside the subcontinent. Read some history, background information before you indulge in such India bashing.For your information, INDIANS KNOW VERY WELL HOW IT FEELS TO BE VICTIMS OF TERRORISM, to be specific victims of Pakistani terrorism in India. For the past 25 years Pakistan army, ISI has sponsored quite a bit of bomb blasts, plane hijackings and shootings across India to kill thousands of unarmed civilians. I am not only referring to terrorism in Kashmir but in the heartland of IndiaOnly now paks are tasting their own bitter medicine. When we pointed out their terrorism sponsorship, how do you think they responded. Smugly denying it and laughing at us.Kindly read some history before you indulge in Indian bashing.

Sgt. Desouza,It seems that you have either not read the comments from non-Pakistanis on this blog or misinterpreted them. No one is doing any Pakistan bashing here. A vast majority of Indians are very concerned about the well being of the Pakistani people & express solidarity with them in their dark hour. What Indian & most non-Pakistanis are against is the Pakistani military establishment (army/ISI), which has created & nurtured terror outfits for decades & single handedly self destructed that country for their own selfish motives. If you were cognizant of the history of the Pakistani army, you would know that they actually are the creators & nurturers of these very same terror outfits which are now killing innocent Pakistani citizens. The Pakistani military establishment was happy with them when they were bombing Indian cities & killing Indian citizens for decades but now they are doing the same inside Pakistan. Human life is precious, regardless of race, religion or nationality & all Indians want from the Pakistani army is to eliminate all terrorism from it’s soil once and for all & not shield or protect anti-India or anti-Afghanistan terrorists.

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Karzai wouldn’t dare venture outside Kabul without private American contracted security escort. What a shame i really feel sorry for Karzai. Even local tribal chiefs wield more authority than him,- Posted by UmairI have heard Kiyani needs 3000 security people when he travels in Rawlpindi or Islamabad. I have also heard that Zardari spent 300 mil to make his palace bullet-proof with imported German glass windows and 12 ft blast-proof walls. Zardari never steps outside his palace unless he is travelling abroad!So Karzai is doing better than Kiyani or Zardari!

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Riz: “Do you have any proofs about what you are blaming on Pakistan?”And there are still body of 9 dead Pakistani terrorists lying in Mumbai morgue? Although, Pakistani Govt has accepted them as Pakistani citizens, it is ashamed to accept their dead bodies. What more proof do u need?

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Umair:@Karzai’s is a corrput narco-criminal regime composed of local drug lords and war mongerers, literally the mayor of Kabul rather than the president of Afghanistan, Karzai wouldn’t dare venture outside Kabul without private American contracted security escort.”–Umair, Gretchen Peters’ Seeds of Terror: The Taliban, the ISI and New Opium Wars mentions in great detail on drug trfficking, terrorism, Taliban/ISI link. Browse google and you will find mention of ISI in there. ISI gets protection money for allowing this to happen. That ISI has no clue about this and does not get any money from this narcro business will be an insult to ISI.@A slap on the face of those critics of Pakistan Army, once again a professional Army conducting a military operation with highest degree of efficiency acting as a role model for coalition forces in Afghanistan.Men at their best. Pakistan Army!- Posted by UmairUmair: While I wish the best to PA, but I caution you not to get into pre-mature celebratory mode. This is just first 5 overs of a 50 over match.__________________________________ @although i can understand the sentiments from India, they still are not going thru what an everyday pakistani is going thru.Posted by staff sgt.desouzasgt.desouza : I wish no one goes through the hell like that happening in Pakistan now. I am sure the country you served is proud of your work as a soldier, but you obviously do not know the situation here. Indians have faced terrorism by Pakistan apart from what you will know of that in Kashmir and in the rest of India like in Mumbai.This is to bring to your knowledge that Pakistani supported terrorism burnt Indian Punjab for 15yrs (more than 20,000 died. During that period beginning early 80s ending mid 90s, someone always died every single day for 15yrs because of terrorism in Punjab, supported by ISI. This is no wild accusation, but a documented fact; the top Sikh terrorists are still in Pakistan and India has given their list to Pakistan many times.True the nature of the terrorism was different at that time, there were no suicide bombers, but then there were buses stopped by terrorists, and people of certain community lined up and killed or in-discriminatory firing. When Punjab burnt of terrorism, Pakistanis in Lahore just 40Km away from Indian town Amritsar, had no clue or were not concerned since they have no idea what terrorism is. Times have changed. Now Indian Punjab is safe but sadly and Pakistan next door is burning. The only difference is that terrorism in India was by Pakistan, but terrorism in Pakistan is due to the result of Pakistan’s own created groups. But we Indians know what terrorism is and what fear it can generate in minds of a helpless person, so we wish that Pakistan gets back to normal.

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Umair writes: “Karzai’s is a corrput narco-criminal regime composed of local drug lords and war mongerers, literally the mayor of Kabul rather than the president of Afghanistan, Karzai wouldn’t dare venture outside Kabul without private American contracted security escort. What a shame i really feel sorry for Karzai. Even local tribal chiefs wield more authority than him, Karzai has no moral basis to be the leader of Afghanistan.”This is like the pot calling the kettle black. Your ISI has done things much worse to the whole region. Pakistanis are scared of venturing outside now as well, after the series of suicide attacks everywhere. Why are you feeling sorry for Karzai? Have you looked at your country now? You supported Musharraf who seized power by illegal means and engaged in an illegal war against India in Kargil. Now you are ridiculing a democratically elected President of Afghanistan. Karzai fought against the Taliban. I am not surprised why you are so caustic against him.

“Karzai has no moral basis to be the leader of Afghanistan”- Posted by UmairOf course not. You would rather have Taliban run afghanistan so that your Generals can control it & use it as ‘strategic depth” against India. Corrupt he may be, but at least he has the moral courage to stand up against all forms terrorism & extremism. Can you say the same for your own leaders, who I hear, are scared to even step out of their heavily guarded bunkers, these days? And lets not even start about the corruption of Pakistani leaders.

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Brother of Afghan Leader Said to Be Paid by C.I.A.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/ world/asia/28intel.htmlA bombshell article in yesterday’s edition of the New York Times lifts the lid on how the brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, a suspected kingpin of the country’s booming opium trade, has been on the CIA payroll for the past eight years. What a shame, one brother a drug cartel member and other plundering the Afghan nation, the two stooges, puppets of the west. Have some honour.

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@A slap on the face of those critics of Pakistan Army, once again a professional Army conducting a military operation with highest degree of efficiency acting as a role model for coalition forces in Afghanistan.Men at their best. Pakistan Army!- Posted by Umairhttp://www.economist.com/displaySto ry.cfm?story_id=14563668“More worrying for the time being is another development outside the law: extra-judicial killings. An estimated 300 to 400 corpses of suspected Taliban have turned up in Swat, dumped on street corners, bridges or outside homes. Last month Pakistani newspapers gave a figure of 251 bodies. Most show signs of severe torture. Some were killed with a single shot to the head, hands tied behind their backs. Often the dead were last seen alive being taken away by soldiers. The army claims they were killed in combat or by lashkars or others taking revenge on former tormentors.”“No official general investigation into the killings has been ordered and locals are terrified to speak about them.”Above economist article does certify conduct and professionalism of PA. I hope coalition forces in Afghanistan take a better role model.

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Petraeus praises Pakistani operations against insurgentsUNITED STATES CENTRAL COMMANDhttp://www.centcom.mil/en/news/pe traeus-praises-pakistani-operations-agai nst-insurgents.htmlAmerican Forces Press ServiceWASHINGTON – The commander of U.S. Central Command Thursday praised the Pakistani army for operations it is waging against insurgents near the country’s border with Afghanistan.“These have been quite impressive operations and I think Pakistan deserves some significant credit for it,” Army Gen. David H. Petraeus said of operations in Pakistan’s Northwest Province.Be a man among men. Pakistan Army!

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what is of importance is the effect of past actions on the present situation in Pakistan. The 80′s 90′s saw arms flooded into Pakistan and Afghanistan by USA/China et al. The soviets left all their hardware behind as they preferred to let these guys kill themselves. As long as those stocks last there can never be peace in Afghan/Pak.All Pak politicians should show national unity, but what happens if the Americans suddenly decide to go away. Can the US be trusted all the way. Another problem is that Islam and Muslims are not able to evolve into modern forces of change. The medieval mindset is not conducive for modern day life. All armies are certainly more professional than ragtag bunches like Taliban. All British expeditions failed in Afghan/NWFP, so what chance does the Pak army have. To solve the problem, brutal force of Stalin/Hitler kind is required or a great liberal religious renaissance is reqd. Sadly both are not available.

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I think it’s time that Pakistan and India band together and fight terrorism jointly. And I also think it’s time that America, my country, should bow out and let the indiginous countries of the region tackle this scourge themselves.I know there are many well-intentioned Americans who are trying to help, but just by virtue of being foreigners to the area,this is causing the situation to become worse.I am, indeed, praying for a miracle, but believe that India and Pakistan are brothers and sisters, and I respect the people from both countries. I have witnessed firsthand the affection that exists between them.America, I think it’s time to leave the problems of South Asia to South Asians.

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Mortal:”Of course not. You would rather have Taliban run afghanistan so that your Generals can control it & use it as ’strategic depth” against India. Corrupt he may be, but at least he has the moral courage to stand up against all forms terrorism & extremism.”-ahh, i dont know if to laugh at your ignorance or to cry, just open your eyes and help yourself with the report below:Why the CIA Can’t Be Picky About Afghan Partnershttp://www.time.com/time/world/a rticle/0,8599,1932967,00.html”The brother has also long been accused of being one of Afghanistan’s biggest narcotics dealers”"Ahmed Wali Karzai, is a CIA source”"If it sounds a lot like Vietnam when Vietnam started to really come apart, it is — President Diem’s grotesquely corrupt brother was a CIA source and a noxious agent of influence.”"It would be fascinating to know what kind of intelligence Ahmed Wali Karzai is giving the CIA. If he’s telling it that things are fine in Afghanistan, that more American soldiers, time and money will take care of the Taliban and that Hamid Karzai is a competent leader, well, then we have a real problem. One that’s a lot bigger than drugs. And it’s an even bigger problem if the White House believes anything Karzai has to say.”"You can take it to the bank that the CIA knows all of this, just as it knew in the early ’60s that Diem’s brother was a corrupt thug.”"The real question for the U.S. should not be about the morality of a drug dealer on the CIA’s payroll but whether it’s a metaphor for the huge challenge we face in Afghanistan. Do we stand any chance at all of building a modern, peaceful nation with confederates like Ahmed Wali Karzai? Vietnam would suggest the answer is no.”"Ahmed Wali went flat-out to subvert U.S. policy in these elections, but no political price was paid by either him or his brother,” says Michael Semple, an Afghan specialist now with the Carr Foundation for Human Rights in Cambridge.Karzai’s brother has organized widespread rigging in the South to legitimize his reelection undermining the democratic process. Both the brothers are taking Afghanistan down total destruction, corrupt, involved in drug trade and need 60,000 American soldiers, their money and resources to sit on a booming drug trade.My way, Karzai has the moral courage to stand up to all forms of extremism and terrorism, while his brother under his nose runs a drug trade and funds a strike force harrassing business counterparts and killing, torturing them. Maybe Hamid Karzai has no moral courage to stand up to his brother. If Americans were not stupid they would get rid of these two stooges and work out to winn allies in Pashtun Tribal elders and reverse the momentum of insurgency.We Pakistanis have our Pushtun brother’s just across in Afghanistan with 46% of population, we have tribal links and ties. They are our cousins. The situation in Afghanistan affects us and that country is very important for Pakistan’s own security. A true representative government in Afghanistan will stabilize it and improve relations with all its neighbours.

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“it is real easy for most of you hiding cowardly behind your computers and television and criticize and make snide comments, that’s because most of you are not living with the fear of becoming a victim of these attacks. I have seen upclose and personal the every day fear these people have to live with it and it is heart wreanching. I pray for all these victims and their family and all of pakistan.” Desouza.1. If you think Indians here doesn’t regret loss of innocent lives to religious and fanatical thugs you are well advised to change that point of view.2. Isn’t it cowardly to sit behind a computer screen and slander others?3. Many of us have lived through this same fear for our families, friends and fellow citizens. Im sure your heart also lurched for the thousands of innocent Indian lives lost. Some of us have suffered personal losses due to the actions of these morons who have been nurtured and sent across the border by our neighbours. They in fact are now sadly learning that one cant run with hare and hunt with the hound indefinitely.4. Please believe me, you are not alone opr the only one here in having seen everyday fear in peoples eyes for the same reason.5. If you feel that Indians do not have empathy with what ordinary Pakistani citizens are going through, please go through these comments carefully again.

The way they can stop the recent conflict is to find things both parties can agree on. They need to accept thier differences. No one ever agrees on everything. We must find world peace now. Every war affects us all and breaks our hearts. Good luck to all of them.

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And now Hillary is calling it a spade!http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-d yn/content/article/2009/10/29/AR20091029 00452.html?hpid=moreheadlinesClinton puzzled at Pakistan failure to find al QaedaBy Andrew QuinnReutersThursday, October 29, 2009; 10:10 AM”I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to,” she told a group of newspaper editors during a meeting in Lahore.

Umair writes: “Brother of Afghan Leader Said to Be Paid by C.I.A.”Umair,I’d like to know why you have suddenly shifted gears and have started going after Karzai. Is this still pointing fingers outside syndrome? Your military might have valiant soldiers. But the system is corrupt to the core. It is the main culprit behind all the ills in the region. Karzai might be corrupt. But that’s all they’ve got. The alternative is the Taliban. Between the devil and the deep blue sea, there is not much choice right now. Afghanistan needs a head of state to creep out of the problem it is in. Corrupt politicians are any day better than warped military generals who want to engage in conflicts all the time. This is not a cricket match. People die when conflicts happen. You must really change your mindset about your military and the intelligence departments. They are the reason for all the fire that is burning down the whole region. Barking at Karzai or the Indians will not do any good. This is the time for inward looking. The PA is not protecting anyone. It is protecting itself and its self interest. And Pakistan, the nation is a huge sand bag that it is hiding behind. The bag will only take so much of bullets. And it is beginning to collapse. So drive those who are hiding behind it.

MauryanToday ordinary Pakistanis have great respect and support for our Army, they are laying down their lives to protect our way of life and freedom. As someone who lost a friend, young officer in Army I know them who were officers, soldiers, they had families and everything. They left everything and sacrificed even their life. The support will remain unwavering.I have more news for you, the visit of Secretary Clinton to Pakistan is remarkable and I am listening and closely watching her debates, speech and discussions with officials and media even students, public in Pakistan. US has recognized Pakistan as a more senior partner in AfPak region, as the corrupt Karzai regime has miserably failed in Afghanistan, alongwith his bandit brother, both Karzai’s days are numbered. Afghanistan has many honest tribal elders, they are a conservative society where feuds have always been sorted out through Loya Jirga (Grand tribal meeting). That is the way to go, Obama administration is turning to local governors of Afghan provinces and those who wield power in regions and turning away and distancing themselves from the corrupt Kabul government of Karzai who has no legitimacy with its majority of people. Pakistan will continue to work with US in shaping the policy according to the complex dynamics of the region. And surely this relationship is maturing now with both Pakistan and US moving towards a strategic relationship rather than a short term tactical one.

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@If Americans were not stupid they would get rid of these two stooges and work out to winn allies in Pashtun Tribal elders and reverse the momentum of insurgency.”-UmairUmair: Even Zardari and others are called stooges of US –especially over K-L bill and otherwise. You are sounding more and more like a stereotypical american who is not knowledgeable of others and having unrealistic expectations in Afghanistan. You should know more about the personal biography of Hamid Karzai and socio-political complexities of Afghanistan. I am shocked at your expectations of a perfect political process emerging from a dead country (thanks to US/Soviets/pakistan/Taliban combination) in short time, and that you expect emergence of a national level leader whom all war lords and all tribes will love. Even Pakistan does not have a national level leader who could give any permanence to Pakistan political system after 62 yrs. It still is vulnerable to military coups. Afghanistan is also vulnerable to people who took power using gun.As a concerned neighbor who calls Pashtuns as their brothers, I hope you have a better alternative than Talibans in mind—haven’t seen from you yet. Logically, if there is something wrong, you fix it, not tear everything apart. Installing those who carry power with the gun but no heart is no solution unless you have better alternative. Taliban govt aided by Saudis/Pak/UAE brought order in the chaos but along with it, brought barbaric acts that Afghans faced. Do you have better alternative this time—some other leader hidden somewhere in Afghanistan —in addition to non-Pashtun Abdullah Abdullah. Loia Zirga is good at local levels, but Afghanistan with its neighbors wanting a piece of its needs a national govt.Have you ever wondered why Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid who knows this region like the back of his hand admires Hamid Karzai a lot? If am man with an insight says, there must be a reason, right? Find out what that could be. Throwing words likes stooge of US, mayor of Kabul and other rah rah is naïve. Also do yourself a favor by looking at ISI/Taliban drug business links. Everyone has their cut in this including ISI which gets money for letting the drug business flow smoothly. Attacking Karzai govt on this is like exposing Pakistan involvement.@ US work out to winn allies in Pashtun Tribal elders and reverse the momentum of insurgency.” Not a bad suggestion, but one needs an Afghan face which is Karzai considering the worsening reputation of Americans among Afghans. Pashtun Tribal elders are important and have a higher place in a hierarchy even higher than a Mullah. Taliban destroyed that hierarchy pretty bad and killed hundreds of elders during their golden period or ruling Afghanisan. Afghan-Taliban is still in place. So what are you expecting from tribal elders this time?

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Umair,Can you enlighten me as to which part of my ‘ignorance’ do you find amusing? As I mentioned, Karzai might well be corrupt & the report about his brother’s involvement in narcotics trade might be true or might be speculative, there’s no concrete evidence of it.Tell me Umair, is there any South Asian country where corruption isn’t prevalent? Corruption exists in every developing & third world country. The less developed a nation, the more the corruption & obviously Afghanistan has a long way to go with regards to development. Are there any Pakistani leaders (civil or military), you know of, who are not corrupt TO THE CORE? In fact Zardari & Nawaz Sharif are amongst the top 5 richest men in Pakistan & we don’t even know about the wealth of the Generals, who have ruled Pakistan during most of it’s existence.The question that I’d like to ask is, why is there such a strong anti-Karzai propaganda & sentiment in Pakistan? Why are you guys so much concerned about the ‘corruption’ in Afghanistan & about your ‘Pashtun brothers’, whom you treat like animals on your side of the border?This is nothing but pure & simple hypocrisy. You guys were OK with the brutal & ruthless taliban regime (who used to publicly to shoot women in soccer stadiums for not covering their ankles), as long as they served your purpose & were in cahoots with your immoral generals in Rawalpindi. But now you have a BIG problem with the corruption of the democratically elected, moderate Karzai Govt. Gimme a break!The real reason that Pakistan’s military establishment hates Karzai & is hell-bent on bringing it down is because he is unambiguously against all forms of terrorism & has bluntly & forthrightly exposed the involvement of the Pakistani establishment with numerous terrorist outfits. Your generals also hate him because they can’t swallow the fact the he is taking the help of Indians in rebuilding his country. These are the real reasons that your establishment is churning out the hate propaganda against Karzai & his Govt., so please spare us your concern for the ‘corruption’& your ‘Pashtun brothers’ in Afghanistan. They are nothing but crocodile tears.

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“Today ordinary Pakistanis have great respect and support for our Army, they are laying down their lives to protect our way of life and freedom” – Posted by UmairUmair, nobody is asking you & other Pakistanis, not to support your troops/army. I have traveled to many countries across the globe & I can tell you, there’s no country in the world which supports it’s troops more than the US. There’s no public event, all across america (sports events, cultural events, social events, political events etc) where ‘God bless America’ isn’t sung & a moment of silence isn’t made to remember our troops. BUT that doesn’t stop the people to protest against & question the administration & tdecision makers for making wrong decisions & putting the troops in harms way.In fact people like you & others, who have lost loved ones in armed conflicts should be even more mad at your military establishment for creating a situation, which has not only put the military personal at risk but also innocent civilians, who are being targeted everyday.You & other Pakistanis should ask them as to why did your army/ISI create and/or breed these terrorists, who are creating havoc in your country?You should ask them as to why did they bankrupt, radicalize & ruin your country with unnecessary wars, fake threats & their support of terror outfits?You should ask them as to why did they upstage your democracy over & over and never let any of your country’s institutions strengthen?It is good to be patriotic Umair but please keep your eyes open & don’t be afraid to call a spade, a spade. Your allegiance should lie with your country ‘Pakistan’ & not to the group of individuals who have violated & ruined it.

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The whole country is burning….look at the priorities of Radio Pakistan! Hilarious jokers.http://sify.com/news/Radio-Pakist an-39-s-latest-worry-is-adulteration-of- food-in-Punjab-news-jk3sucjbbcd.htmlRadi o Pakistan’s latest worry is adulteration of food in Punjab2009-10-29 18:20:00Radio Pakistan in its latest broadcast has expressed concern on adulteration of food in Punjab. The allegation is that all traders are Hindus and they are doing so to hurt the Sikh community. ….”Shopkeepers are both Hindus and Sikhs and they buy things from the same shops, so this can’t be proved scientifically that some thing has adverse effect on Sikhs and not on Hindus,” said Parkash Doshi, a senior lawyer.:-)

Mortal:”please spare us your concern for the ‘corruption’& your ‘Pashtun brothers’ in Afghanistan. They are nothing but crocodile tears.”-Mortal first see below:HIGHLY TOUTED, BUT MISGUIDED IDEAS ABOUT AFGHANISTANhttp://worldblog.msnbc.msn.co m/archive/2009/10/30/2114317.aspx”4) Sending more troops for counter-insurgency and more civilian experts for nation-building is a waste of time and resources if there’s no national afghan leader in place.?This may seem like a solid point, but think again. In reality, there has never been a tradition of strong central government in Afghanistan.When I spoke to tribal elders in Helmand province just before the Aug. 20 elections, many told me they had never even seen a politician from Kabul before. In Afghanistan, politics are truly local. District and provincial councilmen are the powerbrokers whose faces matter to most Afghans, not President Hamid Karzai or his rival candidate in the run-off elections Abdullah Abdullah.U.S. military and aid officials certainly get that. Since 2006, they’ve directly invested millions of dollars in discretionary funds into local programs, like alternative farming or the opening of schools and clinics, all on the village level, thus circumventing the corruption-tainted government. Their logic? Seven years of failed top-down reconstruction has turned Afghanistan into one of the donor world’s deepest money pits.So, while the West rightly hopes for a legitimate Afghan leader back in Kabul, some local programs are making a difference on the ground. It may be surprising, but progress is possible without a presidential fiat…or even a president.”Mortal, Karzai has been given enough time to prove his competence, but US is fed up with him now. That is ground reality, Pakistan too has had enough with him. He is seen as someone who is working against Pakistan’s interests. No one is shedding croc tears, Pakistanis have a great affect on their lives due to situation in Afghanistan and our tribal areas. If Karzai cannot correct his mistakes, time to show him the door. The real structure of Afghanistan is like that, its a tribal based society. My tribe is my network of support where my loyalty lies if I am an Afghan. The President in Kabul doesnt matter to those living in far villages.

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@Karzai has been given enough time to prove his competence, but US is fed up with him now. That is ground reality, Pakistan too has had enough with him. He is seen as someone who is working against Pakistan’s interests.-Umair–Afghanistan is a separate country and leave them alone. Karzai is not out there to please Pakistanis. Remember you ask India the same thing.BTW give me one good reason–really–why would an Afghan–Pashthun or non-Pashtun love Pakistan knowing very well that Pakistan created Afghan Taliban that chopped limbs and severed heads of Afghans. No wonder all Afghans hate Pakistan.ISI was alway unhappy with Karzai since he denied ISI/Taliban offer to represent Taliban govt internationally. It was Taliban/ISI that killed Karzai’s father. Just before 9/11, Karzai was given notice to leave the region. But then 9/11 happened and the whole thing changed. Americans took time to appreciate him from the beginning –they had no clue who he is.This whole anti-Karzai propaganda is beginning of another pre-9/11 period for Afghanistan.Brace Afghan bros

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people in pakistan should know that it has no enemies.there are some ofcourse who are working feverishly and are prepared to pay billions in order to deprive them from their nuclear arsenal and there are those who would do everything to support pakistan military confront its own people.peace in this region will benefit all in the world. the outside powers should therefore stop meddling in pakistan affairs as long as their territory is not being used to attack others.pakistan leaders should stop shooting in their own feet.

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